Hi Penny, Thank you very much. I will check that site, and also write for record copies. These ladies may have been members in OH. In looking on the Hayes Presidential Center site I saw a listing in their photograph collection for the residence of George Greiner...could be connected to Edna Marea (Neikirk) Greiner. No one ever said proving a connection is easy...it never entered my mind that I might have a possible connection. We will see how my luck goes. I don't have a Stephen Crippen, unless he was a son of Charles B. Crippen by a possible second marriage, but if so, then it is still OK if through Charles B. I am descended from a different child of Charles B. Joyce