I'm going to jump in here and point out that Thomas Bonney, Jr. who married Dorcas Sampson was born before 1660 as I have it in my records.? I believe my date to be based on the fact that I have a first born child born about 1680.? So based on that, their marriage would have taken place before 1680 and if you subtract an estimated age of perhaps 20 at the time of their marriage, that would put them to be born about 1660.? If the John that you are looking for was born about 1683, then that would, in most likely cases, as Dale Cook suggested, make them brothers, not father-son. You might want to check the Mayflower silver book vol. 20 at about page 6.? I think I had originally had a year of marriage to be before 24 Dec 1684, but given the fact that I also have a child born in 1680, there is no way, at that time period, that two children would be born before they got married.? Today's society, yeah, possible, but back then, not likely.? They would have been brought up on fornicating charges and brought to bear in the public eye.? Therefore, based on this early date of birth for one of the three children I have in my database for this couple, I just changed my marriage info, since it is only an approximation date and therefore Thomas Bonney and Dorcas would have been born around 1660 if they were 20 at the time of the marriage event. Of course, locating a birth record or the marriage record for this couple is necessary to prove the marriage and finding a birth record would be really, really nice too! Now, you say that John was born with a specific date and you state it took place in Duxbury.? What does the Duxbury Vital Records have to say about his parentage?? Does the VR provide the double date, or did you just make the assumption that it should be a double date? Christie Trapp From: T0Leo@aol.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] JOHN Bonney - Was he son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON? To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d4a.3bb6c7a2.35fee43f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was just reviewing the Sampson Web site and noticed that they do not show John Bonney, b. 25 Feb 1663/64 in Duxbury, d. 16 Nov 1745 in Pembroke as being a son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON, dau. of Henry SAMPSON of the "Mayflower". If John Bonney was not their son, who were his parents? Thanks, Len Keaney, Jr.