Hi Lois, You seem to be missing a generation or two in your Job Simmons line. I have a Job Simmons as the son of Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. He was born on 10 Apr 1674 in Scituate, MA and married on 15 Jun 1700 to Hannah Bishop. I do not have any more information on him. I was not able to access this link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html Moses Simmons is supposed to have been born in Leyden on 1 Jan 1604. I wish there were more baptism records for these families. Richard ------------------------------------------------- From: "Lois Kortering" <lekort@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:31 AM To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > Margaret and other Simmons descendants. I have read every posting of this > latest string about the Simmons family, and it only confuses me further! > > Have any of you gone on this website of Dale H. Cook? He posted the link > a > couple of weeks ago: > > History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on > website > created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. > Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > I do not know of Moses having the middle name of "Williams." I understood > that his father was William. Also, there has been no proof that Sarah's > surname--be it her maiden name or a former married surname--was CHANDLER. > > Never has a family been so complicated and misunderstood! I thought I > finally got it right. Someone either puts an extra Moses in the line or > an > extra John, or an extra Job!!! > > As far as I have been able to understand, William Simonzoon was the > first-known Simmons, and he married an unknown woman. As far as I can > understand, he had just one son, Moses Simmons, also known as Moyses > Symonson or Moses Symonds. He was born "about" 1605 in Leiden/Leydon, > Netherlands. He died Bet. 17 June 1689 - 10 September 1691. He married > Sarah (UNKNOWN). Their children were: > > Rebecca, b. abt. 1635 > Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 > Mary, b. abt. 1641 > John, b. abt. 1644 > Sarah, b. abt. 1649 > Elizabeth, b. abt. 1651 > Aaron, b. abt. 1653 > > My line is: > William Simon, m. Unknown > Moses Simons/Moses Symonson, Sr., m. Sarah (Unknown) - I have just one son > for William Simonzoon, no John, no Thomas. > Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 > Job Simmons, Sr., b. abt. (I have no dates for him), m. Hannah Bishop (no > dates for her) > Job, Jr., (no dates), m. on 20 October 1742 in Pembroke, Plymouth, > Massachusetts Abigail Parris, b. 30 November 1725, > James Griff(is), Sr., b. 29 August 1739, m. on 22 October 1767 in > Cornwall, > Connecticut to Hannah Simmons, b. 1746. > James Griff(es), Jr., b. 19 July 1777, m. Cyntha (Unknown). - the name > changed to Griffes and stayed that way through myself! > Orlin Griff(es), m. Susan Stilwell. > Ensign Beals Griffes, m. Catherine Margaret Little - my > great-grandparents. > > Whoops! For some reason I have Hannah Simmons' death date as "after 1758" > and I do not know how I got that date. A typo on my part? > > James Griffis, Sr. and Hannah Simmons had a son James Griffes, Jr., b. 30 > May 1773 and a daughter Sarah Borden Griffes, b. 19 July 1777, so how > could > Hannah have died in 1758? She would have been only 12 years old! > > Note: James Griffes, Jr. changed the spelling of his last name from > Griffis > to Griffes. > > I have the book, "History of the Simmons Family" by L.A. Simmons (Lorenzo > Albert Simmons). > I have read what was written in "The Great Migration Begins." > I have read the transcription of "History of Bridgewater" by Nahum > Mitchell. > William Simonzoon had only one son named Moses, but no son named John, and > no son named Thomas. > > History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on > website > created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. > Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > Just when I think I understand the SIMMONS family, I don't!!! > > Oh, and I do have Rebecca married to John Soule, but I have her married a > second time to "Unknown." > > Lois (GRIFFES) KORTERING > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Olson" <olson@shout.net> > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > > >> >>>I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They are >>>Moses >>>Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married Mercy >>>Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >>>interested in John or Moses? >> >> I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams >> for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back >> then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. >> >> Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p >> 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and >> Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His >> marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 >> December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to >> John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; >> John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to >> Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. >> >> Margaret >> descended from John.

Does anyone notice (or care) that the Moses Simmons who married Patience Barstow - if we go with the dates given by Lois, seems to have married at the age of 5? "Born abt 1639, Married abt 1644). Just curious. Polly On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Richard Hayes wrote: > Hi Lois, > > You seem to be missing a generation or two in your Job Simmons line. I > have > a Job Simmons as the son of Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. He was > born > on 10 Apr 1674 in Scituate, MA and married on 15 Jun 1700 to Hannah > Bishop. > I do not have any more information on him. I was not able to access > this > link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > Moses Simmons is supposed to have been born in Leyden on 1 Jan 1604. > > I wish there were more baptism records for these families. > > Richard > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lois Kortering" <lekort@comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:31 AM > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > >> Margaret and other Simmons descendants. I have read every posting of >> this >> latest string about the Simmons family, and it only confuses me >> further! >> >> Have any of you gone on this website of Dale H. Cook? He posted the >> link >> a >> couple of weeks ago: >> >> History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on >> website >> created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. >> Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html >> >> I do not know of Moses having the middle name of "Williams." I >> understood >> that his father was William. Also, there has been no proof that >> Sarah's >> surname--be it her maiden name or a former married surname--was >> CHANDLER. >> >> Never has a family been so complicated and misunderstood! I thought I >> finally got it right. Someone either puts an extra Moses in the line >> or >> an >> extra John, or an extra Job!!! >> >> As far as I have been able to understand, William Simonzoon was the >> first-known Simmons, and he married an unknown woman. As far as I can >> understand, he had just one son, Moses Simmons, also known as Moyses >> Symonson or Moses Symonds. He was born "about" 1605 in Leiden/Leydon, >> Netherlands. He died Bet. 17 June 1689 - 10 September 1691. He >> married >> Sarah (UNKNOWN). Their children were: >> >> Rebecca, b. abt. 1635 >> Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 >> Mary, b. abt. 1641 >> John, b. abt. 1644 >> Sarah, b. abt. 1649 >> Elizabeth, b. abt. 1651 >> Aaron, b. abt. 1653 >> >> My line is: >> William Simon, m. Unknown >> Moses Simons/Moses Symonson, Sr., m. Sarah (Unknown) - I have just >> one son >> for William Simonzoon, no John, no Thomas. >> Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 >> Job Simmons, Sr., b. abt. (I have no dates for him), m. Hannah Bishop >> (no >> dates for her) >> Job, Jr., (no dates), m. on 20 October 1742 in Pembroke, Plymouth, >> Massachusetts Abigail Parris, b. 30 November 1725, >> James Griff(is), Sr., b. 29 August 1739, m. on 22 October 1767 in >> Cornwall, >> Connecticut to Hannah Simmons, b. 1746. >> James Griff(es), Jr., b. 19 July 1777, m. Cyntha (Unknown). - the name >> changed to Griffes and stayed that way through myself! >> Orlin Griff(es), m. Susan Stilwell. >> Ensign Beals Griffes, m. Catherine Margaret Little - my >> great-grandparents. >> >> Whoops! For some reason I have Hannah Simmons' death date as "after >> 1758" >> and I do not know how I got that date. A typo on my part? >> >> James Griffis, Sr. and Hannah Simmons had a son James Griffes, Jr., >> b. 30 >> May 1773 and a daughter Sarah Borden Griffes, b. 19 July 1777, so how >> could >> Hannah have died in 1758? She would have been only 12 years old! >> >> Note: James Griffes, Jr. changed the spelling of his last name from >> Griffis >> to Griffes. >> >> I have the book, "History of the Simmons Family" by L.A. Simmons >> (Lorenzo >> Albert Simmons). >> I have read what was written in "The Great Migration Begins." >> I have read the transcription of "History of Bridgewater" by Nahum >> Mitchell. >> William Simonzoon had only one son named Moses, but no son named >> John, and >> no son named Thomas. >> >> History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on >> website >> created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. >> Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html >> >> Just when I think I understand the SIMMONS family, I don't!!! >> >> Oh, and I do have Rebecca married to John Soule, but I have her >> married a >> second time to "Unknown." >> >> Lois (GRIFFES) KORTERING >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret Olson" <olson@shout.net> >> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons >> >> >>> >>>> I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They >>>> are >>>> Moses >>>> Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married >>>> Mercy >>>> Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >>>> interested in John or Moses? >>> >>> I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams >>> for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back >>> then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. >>> >>> Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p >>> 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and >>> Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His >>> marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 >>> December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to >>> John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; >>> John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to >>> Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. >>> >>> Margaret >>> descended from John. > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Richard, and that might explain why my dates are not meshing. Here is Dale H. Cook's Plymouth Colony website, and you can get to his Bridgewater, MA website this way. Arrow down below the picture of the Alden house and click on "Books Online." The second paragraph has Nahum Mitchell's book. http://plymouthcolony.net/ Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hayes" <RichardAHayes@comcast.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > Hi Lois, > > You seem to be missing a generation or two in your Job Simmons line. I > have > a Job Simmons as the son of Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. He was > born > on 10 Apr 1674 in Scituate, MA and married on 15 Jun 1700 to Hannah > Bishop. > I do not have any more information on him. I was not able to access this > link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > Moses Simmons is supposed to have been born in Leyden on 1 Jan 1604. > > I wish there were more baptism records for these families. > > Richard