Dear Muriel, Susan & Ken - Reading Susan's chronology and questions/conclusions leaves me wondering about a few items. MARINEER. I believe I saw that both Thomas,Sr and Capt Robert Roberts,Jr were listed as 'marineers'. First, what does that mean in this time ? Are they traders or fishermen ? Or ? AND could their occupation impact on Thos,Sr's spotty record in the Plymouth VRs ? PLYMOUTH VRs. Susan does NOT give us a birthdate for Thomas,Jr mrd to Isabella CAMPBELL. Am I correct that Plymouth VRs has NO record for him ? Likewise there is no birthdate for his sister, Mary mrd Wiliam WESTON. Is that family neglect or are they out of town ? BOSTON. There seems to be a connection to Boston with Isabella CAMPBELL. Are any of the WESTON children for Thomas,Sr or Thomas,Jr and Isabella born there ? Thanks Bill Van Hemert Edmund WESTON & REBECCA SOULE --- On Thu, 2/28/08, mayflower-request@rootsweb.com <mayflower-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:16:46 -0500 > From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Howland/Thomas Weston (LONG!) recap > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <200802272118.m1RLGxIL014252@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Muriel - In answer to a question you raised below - MF > 23:1:163 does not > cite a will for Thomas Weston. It says only that on 19 May > 1743, Prudence > Weston was named admx. of estate of husband Thomas. > > I also checked the Plymouth Co Probate Index and the > following only are > listed for Thomas Weston: > > 1. 1743, Plymouth, adm. ("our" Thomas) > 2. 1776, Duxbury, will (son of Joseph Weston & Mercy > Peterson) > 3. 1776, Duxbury, gdn. (son of above) > 4. 1800, Plymouth gdn. > 5. 1834, Middleboro, will > __________________________ > > The chain of events that are known for the Thomas Weston in > question: > > An unidentified Thomas Weston married as his first wife, > Mary Howland in > 1723. > <Plymouth VRs> > > MF 23:1:163 says Thomas was "perhaps son of > Elnathan". The same source lists > their son Thomas who was born and died in 1725 and says he > married Isabella > Campbell. (This marriage took place in Boston in 1751) > > Thomas and Mary had "a child named Thomas born March > 20th 1724/5; decd. June > 23, 1725" <Plymouth VR:79> No other children > are recorded, nor are any > children listed as buried on Burial Hill with Mary. > > Mary Westron, wife of Thomas, died in 13 Feb 1730 age 28 > <Burial Hill by > Drew:94, Kingman:15> > > Thomas m. 2nd Prudence Conant 4 May 1730 <Plymouth > VR:96>. No children are > recorded at Plymouth. > > Thomas of Plymouth died before 19 May 1743 <wf Prudence > admx., Mayflower > Deeds & Probates:207> > > Prudence Weston of Plymouth fined L4 for fornication, March > 1745/6; pd by > Micha Bume. <Plymouth Co.Court Recs.9:213> (She is > not identified further > and not called widow. Note that if this is Prudence > (Conant) Weston, she > would have been 39 yrs old) > > The will of Prudence Weston, widow, dated 26 Oct. 1765 > <MDP:207> mentions > three children: > > 1. Mary, wife of William Weston > 2. three grandchildren, the children of son Thomas Weston, > dec'd > 3. Sarah Weston "(alias Ball") > > Prudence Weston, widow of Thomas, died 4 Jan. 1766, 59th yr > <Burial Hill by > Drew:94, Kingman:38> (buried next to Mary Weston above, > d. 1730) > > At the court held September 1771 is found Robert Roberts > (Plymouth, > Marriner) and Sarah his wife, exec. Prudence Weston, Widow > (Plymouth) v. > William Warren adm. Joseph Warren....trespass on the case > of a note dated > 1761...... <PCCR 14:307> > > Sarah Westron of Plymouth m. Robert Robards now resident in > Plimouth, int 12 > Aug 1769 <Plymouth VR:257>, m. 27 Aug. 1769, she > "Weston", he > "Roberts"<Plymouth VR:358> > > Robert & Sarah (Weston) Roberts had 3 children rec. at > Plymouth <Plymouth > VR:228 > > 1. Mary Roberts, 4 Oct 1769 > 2. Robert, 23 Sep. 1771; decd in Boston 1826 > 3. Sarah, 17 Aug 1773 > _________________ > > Questions, conclusions, etc. > > 1. Thomas & Prudence Weston had 3 children, Mary, > Thomas and Sarah (order > given in Prudence's will). > > 2. A Thomas Weston m. Isabella Campbell at Boston, 20 Dec > 1751 <Boston VR > 28:339> > > 3. MF 23:1:163 attributes the above Boston marriage to the > son of Thomas > Weston and Mary Howland who was born and died in 1725. > > 4. Do the Plymouth vital records err in saying Thomas, son > of Thomas & Mary > who was born in 1725 also died in 1725? Unlikely. > > 5. Since the will of Prudence Weston proves SHE had a son > named Thomas > Weston, then this must be the son by her husband, Thomas > Weston. Therefore > it could have been this son who m. at Boston, Isabella > Campbell but there is > no proof. > > 6. Next - find out if Thomas & Isabella (Campbell) > Weston had 3 children > living in 1765 as per Prudence's will. > > In all of this, Bill's original question that started > all this has yet to be > answered - the parentage of Thomas Weston who m. Mary > Howland and Prudence > Conant. MF 23:1:163 says only "perhaps son of > Elnathan". The only Elnathan I > can find was at Duxbury - Plymouth Co. Probate Index shows > a 1729 will. > _____________________ > > Okay - I'm just having way too much fun with this and > the afternoon is > wearing away. I'm supposed to be packing to leave for > Maui tomorrow......so > back to the packing. > > Susan E. Roser > > www.friendsofthepilgrims.com > > www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html > > Weston will cited in Howland MF 23:1:163. It > seems dau. Mary > Weston m. William Weston, son of Benjamin and his 2nd wife > Hannah (Coomer) > Weston. Sarah Weston was born 3 years after the death of > Thomas Weston and > court records fining Prudence support the illegitimacy. > Prudence's will > mentions "my granchildren, the children of my son > Thomas Weston, dec." > > The mss. lists Thomas Weston m. Isabella Campbell in Boston > on 29 Dec. 1751 > giving him a birth year of approx. 1730 (if 21). Mary > (Howland) Weston > d.13 Feb. 1730 (cause of death is not listed in Burial > Hill, 1990, p.380) > and Thomas Weston m. a few months later 4 May 1730 Prudence > Conant. > Perhaps Mary (Howland) died in childbirth and Thomas needed > someone in a > hurry to care for his infant son??? Thomas Weston of > Boston could be the > child of either wife but Prudence's will does confirm a > son Thomas who > married and had children. > > This is a quick overview. Any thoughts?? > > Relatively yours, > Muriel Curtis Cushing > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:38:19 +0000 > From: flash1620@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Howland/Thomas Weston (LONG!) recap > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <022720082138.23213.47C5D84B0004FA3D00005AAD2200751150CFCDC0CE089C0E0400@comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi Susan, > > Yes, Bill and I had found most of that and the initial > problem is still not solved. I did not see the court > record that lists Prudence as mother of Sarah Roberts > though I had told Bill that is who I suspected she had > married. That seems to settle that question. The will > of Elnathan according to the mss. does not list a son > Thomas so Samuel Weston questions that Thomas belongs in > that family. The will should be consulted to be sure. > > Thanks for your input. Any room in that suitcase?? Have > fun in Maui!! > > Hugs, Muriel > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> > > > Muriel - In answer to a question you raised below - MF > 23:1:163 does not > > cite a will for Thomas Weston. It says only that on 19 > May 1743, Prudence > > Weston was named admx. of estate of husband Thomas. > > > > I also checked the Plymouth Co Probate Index and the > following only are > > listed for Thomas Weston: > > > > 1. 1743, Plymouth, adm. ("our" Thomas) > > 2. 1776, Duxbury, will (son of Joseph Weston & > Mercy Peterson) > > 3. 1776, Duxbury, gdn. (son of above) > > 4. 1800, Plymouth gdn. > > 5. 1834, Middleboro, will > > __________________________ > > > > The chain of events that are known for the Thomas > Weston in question: > > > > An unidentified Thomas Weston married as his first > wife, Mary Howland in > > 1723. > > > > > > MF 23:1:163 says Thomas was "perhaps son of > Elnathan". The same source lists > > their son Thomas who was born and died in 1725 and > says he married Isabella > > Campbell. (This marriage took place in Boston in 1751) > > > > > Thomas and Mary had "a child named Thomas born > March 20th 1724/5; decd. June > > 23, 1725" No other children are recorded, nor are > any > > children listed as buried on Burial Hill with Mary. > > > > Mary Westron, wife of Thomas, died in 13 Feb 1730 age > 28 > Drew:94, Kingman:15> > > > > Thomas m. 2nd Prudence Conant 4 May 1730 . No children > are > > recorded at Plymouth. > > > > Thomas of Plymouth died before 19 May 1743 > Deeds > & Probates:207> > > > > Prudence Weston of Plymouth fined L4 for fornication, > March 1745/6; pd by > > Micha Bume. (She is not identified further > > and not called widow. Note that if this is Prudence > (Conant) Weston, she > > would have been 39 yrs old) > > > > The will of Prudence Weston, widow, dated 26 Oct. 1765 > mentions > > three children: > > > > 1. Mary, wife of William Weston > > 2. three grandchildren, the children of son Thomas > Weston, dec'd > > 3. Sarah Weston "(alias Ball") > > > > Prudence Weston, widow of Thomas, died 4 Jan. 1766, > 59th yr > Drew:94, Kingman:38> (buried next to Mary > Weston above, d. 1730) > > > > At the court held September 1771 is found Robert > Roberts (Plymouth, > > Marriner) and Sarah his wife, exec. Prudence Weston, > Widow (Plymouth) v. > > William Warren adm. Joseph Warren....trespass on the > case of a note dated > > 1761...... > > > > Sarah Westron of Plymouth m. Robert Robards now > resident in Plimouth, int 12 > > Aug 1769 , m. 27 Aug. 1769, she "Weston", he > > > "Roberts" > > > > Robert & Sarah (Weston) Roberts had 3 children > rec. at Plymouth > VR:228 > > > > 1. Mary Roberts, 4 Oct 1769 > > 2. Robert, 23 Sep. 1771; decd in Boston 1826 > > 3. Sarah, 17 Aug 1773 > > _________________ > > > > Questions, conclusions, etc. > > > > 1. Thomas & Prudence Weston had 3 children, Mary, > Thomas and Sarah (order > > given in Prudence's will). > > > > 2. A Thomas Weston m. Isabella Campbell at Boston, 20 > Dec 1751 > 28:339> > > > > 3. MF 23:1:163 attributes the above Boston marriage to > the son of Thomas > > Weston and Mary Howland who was born and died in 1725. > > > > > 4. Do the Plymouth vital records err in saying Thomas, > son of Thomas & Mary > > who was born in 1725 also died in 1725? Unlikely. > > > > 5. Since the will of Prudence Weston proves SHE had a > son named Thomas > > Weston, then this must be the son by her husband, > Thomas Weston. Therefore > > it could have been this son who m. at Boston, Isabella > Campbell but there is > > no proof. > > > > 6. Next - find out if Thomas & Isabella (Campbell) > Weston had 3 children > > living in 1765 as per Prudence's will. > > > > In all of this, Bill's original question that > started all this has yet to be > > answered - the parentage of Thomas Weston who m. Mary > Howland and Prudence > > Conant. MF 23:1:163 says only "perhaps son of > Elnathan". The only Elnathan I > > can find was at Duxbury - Plymouth Co. Probate Index > shows a 1729 will. > > _____________________ > > > > Okay - I'm just having way too much fun with this > and the afternoon is > > wearing away. I'm supposed to be packing to leave > for Maui tomorrow......so > > back to the packing. > > > > Susan E. Roser > > > > www.friendsofthepilgrims.com > > www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html