I'm in a quandry. I have a John Chipman - Howland line, born 1691 who married a Rebeckah ___ aka Mrs. Hale in 1718-1719. I have their son John Chipman, born 1722. Here's the quandry. In researching the Beverly, MA VRs I found a marriage entry for a John Chipman marrying a Mrs. Hannah Warren in 1751. The first time I ran through the records for Beverly I had entered the marraige between the first John (1691) as a second marriage to Mrs. Hannah Warren in1751. It was logical, it fit. Then, yesterday, I was working the records again and entered the marriage to the other John (1722), because it logically fit as well. The reason the first John (1691) got the second marriage in 1751 is because his first wife had died earlier that year and he had some children remaining in the home, namely a son who was born in 1751, so I'm sure he needed a "nursing" mom to take care of him. The logic for my attaching the same Hannah Warren to the son (1722), was because of the age factor. Now, does anyone know who the Mrs Hannah Warren might be and when she might have been born? If I had her age I could logically put her with the correct John Chipman. I know that the Chipman line comes off of Hope Howland, and that volume is not yet ready for the press, which is kind of a bummer at this point, but hoping perhaps that someone might just happen to have a copy of the Chipman genealogy that might cover the 5th or 6th generation, which I see is one of the references in Mrs. White's volume on the Howlands. I also checked the Warren silver's and none of the Hannah Warren's remained single as far as I can tell in order to get the "honorary" title of Mrs. in the marriage records. I realize that even if a marriage record calls her Mrs. in the VRs, she is not necessarily a married lady, that it is perhaps the contraction of mistress which sometimes confuses us in this day and age when we call married ladies Mrs. Anyway, if anyone can help me place the Hannah Warren with the correct John Chipman, it would be appreciated. Christie Trapp

At 01:06 PM 3/2/2008, you wrote: >Anyway, if anyone can help me place the Hannah Warren with the correct >John Chipman, it would be appreciated. Christie, Mayflower Births & Deaths by Roser has this family. John4 (Samuel3, Hope2 Howland, John1) m. Beverly 12 Feb 1718 Rebecca Hale, dau of Robert and Elizabeth (--?--) Hale. The Beverly VR calls her Mrs. Rebecca Hale. Rebecca was b. Beverly 19 Nov 1701 and d. Beverly 4 Jul 1751. Their son John was born Beverly 23 Oct 1722 and m. Elizabeth Brown ca 1744 per Mayflower Marriages by Roser and had 12 children per Mayflower Births & Deaths. John married 2nd 20 Nov 1751 Hannah Warren per Mayflower Marriages. Intentions were recorded at Beverly 2:58 - John, Rev., and Mrs. Hannah Warren of Roxbury, int. Nov. 3, 175_. [1751.] The marriage was recorded at Roxbury (2:411), also calling her Mrs Hannah Warren. Her death record at Beverly says she was age 61. There was a Hannah Warren born in Roxbury (1:352) 31 Mar 1707 dau of Joseph and Deborah making her about the right age. However I have not found a Hannah with that birth date in any of the Warren sources I have. Hope this helps. Randy