I have both Sarah Chandler's in my database. The one married to Moses Simmons was born before 1620 in England and died in Duxbury according to my database aft 1644. I have no parents listed for her. She is listed in both the Philip Delano (Green covered) and the John Alden Mayflower books. Moses Simmonson, also born before 1620 in England and died aft 1644 in Duxbury. The after 1644 death dates are derived from the date of birth of the last child. They had 4 children born between 1635 and 1644. Please note, I am not citing actual dates as found in the various silver books, but just provided years instead in order to prove my point. The other Sarah Chandler that is in my database is born before 1622 in Leiden, Holland to Roger Chandler and Isabella Chilton. She dies before 1675 in Bridgewater, MA. Married Solomon Leonard, born about 1610 in England and dies bef 1671 in Bridgewater. She is listed in the Chilton Mayflower book. They had 6 children born between 1643 and 1650. As far as I know, these children were born in Duxbury. Therefore, I would have to make the leap of faith that we are talking about two totally different Sarah Chandlers. They both are having children at the same time and the real deciding factor is the fact that the first Sarah has her last child in 1644 and the other Sarah has her first child about 1643. Therefore, the Sarah Chandler married to Moses could not also be married to Solomon Leonard at the same time unless actual dates can be found for the births of all these children as well as a conclusive marriage record to have her married to both men. Christie Trapp ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Dianne, Deborah Marsh is the spouse of the line carrier, therefore if you have a secondary source family history as proof of her birth, that should be fine. And, the citation of a family bible in a Boston Transcript column should be sufficient to prove their marriage. It would help support these sources if you had Judah's will or probate records which named wife Deborah. Susan E. Roser Historian Canadian Mayflower Society www.friendsofthepilgrims.com www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dashmom@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:43 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Warren, Chilton & Cooke lines Here is the problem I have with these lines......mine is *not* the Judah Washburn who married Priscilla Sampson (the one who inevitably pops up when I do internet searches) I still need to "prove" the birth and marriage dates I have for Deborah Marsh. I have sent to NEHGS for a research hour and they came up with Deborah's birth and marriage dates listed in The Chapin Book, compiled by Gilbert Warren Chapin, but these are unsourced. There was also a Boston Transcript column in the NEGHS findings that had the dates "from a family bible". Would that be enough to be accepted by the Mayflower Society? Name: Judah Washburn Sex: M Birth: 12 APR 1788 in Woodstock, Windsor County, Vermont source: Title: Woodstock, Vermont Town Records Death: 31 MAR 1846 in Montpelier, Washington Co., Vermont source: Title: Vt. Watchman, April, 1846 Text: Died: In this village, 31st March, of consumption, Mr. Judah Washburn, aged 58. Marriage 1 Deborah Marsh b: 14 MAR 1790 Married: 15 APR 1810

Here is the problem I have with these lines......mine is *not* the Judah Washburn who married Priscilla Sampson (the one who inevitably pops up when I do internet searches) I still need to "prove" the birth and marriage dates I have for Deborah Marsh. I have sent to NEHGS for a research hour and they came up with Deborah's birth and marriage dates listed in The Chapin Book, compiled by Gilbert Warren Chapin, but these are unsourced. There was also a Boston Transcript column in the NEGHS findings that had the dates "from a family bible". Would that be enough to be accepted by the Mayflower Society? Name: Judah Washburn Sex: M Birth: 12 APR 1788 in Woodstock, Windsor County, Vermont source: Title: Woodstock, Vermont Town Records Death: 31 MAR 1846 in Montpelier, Washington Co., Vermont source: Title: Vt. Watchman, April, 1846 Text: Died: In this village, 31st March, of consumption, Mr. Judah Washburn, aged 58. Marriage 1 Deborah Marsh b: 14 MAR 1790 Married: 15 APR 1810 ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

iowagtp@cox.net wrote: >>Simmons, Moses (-1689?, 1691?) & Sarah ___?___; ca 1630; Duxbury/Bridgewater Simmons, Moses (-1676?) & Patience [Barstow] (1643-); m/2 Samuel Baker 1677; b 1660?; b 1662; Scituate<< I also found these in the Third Supplement to Torrey..... Simonson, Moses1 (c.1605-1689-91) & Sarah _____; m. c. 1635 or 1660 [GMB 3:1683] Simonson, Moses2 (c.1639-) & Patience Barstow (1643- ), dau of William; m2 Samuel Baker; m c 1664 [GM 1:177; GMB 3:1683] Dianne ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

iowagtp@cox.net wrote: >>New England Marraiges prior to 1700 by Clarence Torrey has the following marriage records: Leonard, Solomon (?1610 - 1686) & Mary [Chandler] (-bef 1 May 1671); b 1640, b 1643?; Duxbury/Bridgewater Leonard, Solomon (2) & Mary ___?___;  b 1680 Bridgewater Note - no record for Lenner or Leonardson<< The Third Supplement to Torrey has: Leonard[son], Solomon & Sarah Chandler; bef. 1643 Duxbury/Bridgewater [TAG 67:31; GMB 1:331] Dianne ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

RichardAHayes@comcast.net wrote: >> You have Sarah Chandler married to Solomon Leonard. I have her married to Moses Simmons about 1634.<< Hi Richard ~ Maybe we have two different Sarahs.....mine is: Sarah Chandler3 (Isabella Chilton2,James1) b. Leyden, Holland bef.15 Oct. 1622; d. Bridgewater bef. 27 Oct. 1675. She m. Duxbury ca. 1640 Solomon Leonard (or Lenner or Leonardson), b. prob. Monmouthshire, England ca. 1610; d. Bridgewater bef. 1 May 1671. Source: Mayflower Families through Five Generations, Volume 15 James Chilton - Richard More, page 8. I didn't see any references to a Moses Simmons in the index......do you have a source for their marriage? Dianne ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi Dashmom, You have Sarah Chandler married to Solomon Leonard. I have her married to Moses Simmons about 1634. I am related to the same families that you have listed. I am also related to John Alden. Several of my families are related to various Sanford lines. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

New England Marraiges prior to 1700 by Clarence Torrey has the following marriage records: Leonard, Solomon (?1610 - 1686) & Mary [Chandler] (-bef 1 May 1671); b 1640, b 1643?; Duxbury/Bridgewater Leonard, Solomon (2) & Mary ___?___; b 1680 Bridgewater Note - no record for Lenner or Leonardson Simmons, Moses (-1689?, 1691?) & Sarah ___?___; ca 1630; Duxbury/Bridgewater Simmons, Moses (-1676?) & Patience [Barstow] (1643-); m/2 Samuel Baker 1677; b 1660?; b 1662; Scituate * ? before a date represents a questionable date * b before a date represents the birth year of the first child * ? after a date represents a questionable date * - before a date represents birth year unknown * - after a date represents death year unknown ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dashmom@aol.com> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Warren, Chilton & Cooke lines > RichardAHayes@comcast.net wrote: > >>> You have Sarah Chandler married to Solomon Leonard. I have her married to > Moses Simmons about 1634.<< > > Hi Richard ~ Maybe we have two different Sarahs.....mine is: > > Sarah Chandler3 (Isabella Chilton2,James1) b. Leyden, Holland bef.15 Oct. > 1622; d. Bridgewater bef. 27 Oct. 1675. She m. Duxbury ca. 1640 Solomon Leonard > (or Lenner or Leonardson), b. prob. Monmouthshire, England ca. 1610; d. > Bridgewater bef. 1 May 1671. > > Source: Mayflower Families through Five Generations, Volume 15 James Chilton > - Richard More, page 8. > > I didn't see any references to a Moses Simmons in the index......do you have > a source for their marriage? > > Dianne > > > ************** > Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > > > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 05:10 AM 2/21/2008, you wrote: >Thomas WESTON married Prudence CONANT, 04 May 1730, in Plymouth. Prudence was born 3 Mar 1706/1707 in Middleborough, the daughter of Josiah CONANT and Elizabeth WASBURN. Prudence is a MAYFLOWER descendant from the Francis COOKE line. > >What I do NOT know is the pedigree of Thomas WESTON. Bill, I think the short answer is neither does anyone else know the pedigree of Thomas Weston. July 1887, "The Descendants of Edmund Weston of Duxbury, Mass., For Five Generations," by Thomas Weston Jr., The New England Historical and Genealogical Register (Vol. 41 285-296) On pg 285: "The family of Westons were numerous in England at the beginning of the seventeenth century, and many of them emigrated early to America. Hotten, in his list of emigrants in the year 1635, gives no less than twelve of this name who emigrated to Virginia. Those who came to New England were Thomas Weston, the London merchant, who was probably a brother of Sir Richard Weston, Earl of Portland. Frequent mention is made of him in the early history of Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay archives. It is doubtful, however, whether he left any descendants in the country. Francis Weston was with Roger Williams, but he had no children. John Weston came to Salem in 1664, a lad of thirteen years, who secreted himself on board the vessel and was not discovered until it was too far at sea to return. His descendants are very numerous in New England." On pg 293, "William4 (Benjamin3, Edmund2, Edmund1) Weston, born May 23, 1725. Married daughter of Thomas Weston, of Boston." MD 3:194-195 - "The Deposition of Richard Moore Senr. aged seaventy yeares or thereabouts. Sworn saith that being in London att the House of Mr. Thomas Weston Ironmonger in the year 1620 He was from thence transported to New Plymouth in New England and about two yeares and a half after the said deponts. arrivall at Plymoth. aforesaid the above mentioned Thomas Weston sent over a ship upon his prper accompt with passengers to settle in the Massachusetts Bay now called Braintree but soon after they deserted the same by reason of Indians & Sicknesse And within a short space of time after the above said Weston personally came over from London to Plymouth in New England and made his aboad there some time and traded from thence to Virginia and Maryland And att that time the said deponent knew that the said Thomas Weston had and was possessed of two plantations the one in Yorke River in Virginia att a place called Cheesecake, the other in Maryland att West St. Maryes by Storyes Island and heretofore were comonly known to be in the tenure & occupation of these persons here under express vizt. Mr. Wilkinson, Mr. Dent mercht. &c. and they all acknowledged the said Weston to be the true proprietor and lawfull owner of the said plantations And further that the said deponent knew Elizabeth Weston now Elizabeth Connant of Marblehead to be the reputed and only child of the said Thomas Weston." Interesting that there was a Thomas Weston and Connant connection earlier in Plymouth. However, Anderson in his Great Migration Begins sketch on Thomas Weston only shows one child born to this Thomas Weston citing the above mentioned deposition. 1899, Ancient Landmarks of Plymouth, Vol 2, William T. Davis, pg 281 (Weston) - "Thomas, perhaps a son of Elnathan, m., 1723, Mary Howland, and had Thomas, 1725, m. a wife Isabel, and lived in Boston. He m., 2d Prudence, d. of Josiah Conant, 1730 and had Mary, m, William Weston; Sarah, m. a Ball." March 1983, "The Descendants of Edmund Weston, Revisited", by Eugene A. Stratton, National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol 71, 41 - 63. On pg 43, the family of Elnathan2 (Edmund1): "In his will dated 19 April 1728 and proved 14 June 1729, he mentioned his wife, though not by name; his sons Samuel and Joseph; and his daughters Mary, wife of Joseph Simmons; Sarah, wife of John Chandler; and Abigail." On pg 52, William Weston, son of Benjamin3 (Edmund2, Edmund1) Weston and his 2nd wife Hannah Coomer, was "b. 14 May 1732; m. Mary Weston 'of Plymouth,' daughter of Thomas Weston and his 2nd wife Prudence (Conant) Weston6 (Elisabeth Washburn5, Thomas4, Elizabeth Mitchell3, Jane Cooke, Francis). There is no reason to believe that there was any close blood connection between these two Weston families. (source 115)" On pg 61, source 115 "Davis 2:281, calls Mary the daughter of Thomas Weston. On the same page he states that a Thomas, perhaps the son of Elnathan, mar. 1st, 1723, Mary Howland and had Thomas b. 1725, and mar. 2nd Prudence, daughter of Josiah Conant, and had Sarah, and Mary who mar. William Weston. The only Elnathan Westons in contemporary records are Elnathan2 (Edmund1), whose will did not show a son Thomas, and Elnathan4 (Samuel3, Elnathan2, Edmund1), who was not even born when this Thomas was getting married. It is more likely that Thomas, Mary Weston's father, was a different Weston family." Stratton then cites other problems with Davis' 2:281 and NEHGR 41:285-296. Source 115 on pg 61 continues: "The Weston authors thought Thomas might have come from Boston. Thomas Weston mar. Prudence Conant, both of Plymouth, 4 May 1730 (MD 14:73). In 1743 Prudence Weston was administratrix of the will of Thomas Weston (Plymouth County Probate Records, 9:74, 100; 13:442). In March 1745/6 Prudence Weston, then a widow, was fined L4 for fornication, and the fine was paid by Micha Bume (Plym. Co. Ct. Recs., 2:238). Sarah was born to Prudence Weston 12 Jan 1746/7 (MD 15:211). Mary's date of birth is not in the records." Mayflower Descendent MD 14:40 - Plymouth MA VR - Thomas Weston to Mary Howland April 19 : 1723 MD 14:73 - Plymouth MA VR - Thomas Westron & Prudence Conant both of Plymouth were married May 4th 1730 MD 15:211 - Plymouth MA VR - Sarah Weston Daughter of Prudence Weston born January 12 . 1746/7 In the VR for Thomas's first marriage to Mary Howland, it did not call him of Plymouth nor of Boston. Mary was born in Plymouth and her father Nathaniel was born and died in Plymouth. Seven years later Thomas is called of Plymouth. 2006, Mayflower Families Vol 23, Compiled by Ann Smith Lainhart and Robert S. Wakefield, pg. 163 Mary4 Howland (Nathaniel3, Joseph2, John1): "She married at Plymouth 19 April 1723 Thomas Weston who died before 19 May 1743, perhaps a son of Elnathan Weston." "Child of Thomas and Mary (Howland) Weston, b. Plymouth: Thomas Weston5 b. 2 March 1724/5; d. 23 June 1725; m. Isabella Campbell." Despite Stratton and others pointing out that Thomas is not mentioned in Elnathan's will, the 2006 MF 23 still cites the 1899 statement by Davis. Interesting that even though Thomas5 died 23 June 1725 at the age of 3 months, he still had time to marry Isabella Campbell. Perhaps it was an arranged marriage.

The following can be found at www.alden.org: 4395. Michael Grinnell (Jasper Grinnell, Paybody Grinnell, Lydia Pabodie, Elizabeth Alden, John ) was born on 21 Mar 1751/1752 in Saybrook, Middlesex Co., CT. He died on 13 Feb 1858 in Aldenville, Wayne Co., PA. Michael married Susannah Balcom on 21 Dec 1777. Susannah died in Aug 1825 in of Aldenville, Wayne Co., PA. They had the following children: + 13168 M i Rufus Grinnell 13169 F ii Sarah Grinnell was born on 2 Apr 1780 in Salisbury, Litchfield Co., CT. 13170 F iii Elizabeth Grinnell was born on 5 Mar 1782 in Salisbury, Litchfield Co., CT. 13171 F iv Latisha Grinnell was born in 1784 in Salisbury, Litchfield Co., CT. + 13172 F v Beulah Grinnell + 13173 M vi Michael Grinnell Go to the Alden Kindred home page and click on Genealogy Database in the left side of the page. Jasper Grinnell's information also can be found in the silver book Vol. 16, Part 2, pg. 344. Karen -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Virginia Watts Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:42 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Alden Descendants While surfing, I found Michael Grennell born 1752 died 13 Feb1858 age 105 years 10 months 30 days husband of Susannah Balcon born 1760 died 1829. Graves B-150 and 151. Michael is reported GGGgrandson of John and Pricilla Alden. There are 9 or 10 graves all Grennell maybe worth checking out for you Alden Descendants. They are found in Clinton Center Cemetery, Clinton Township, Wayne Co., Pa., across from Clinton Baptist Church on Route 296. From Honesdale take Route 6 W to Route 296 N. Cemetery is on the left. Hope this helps some one looking for Alden descendants. Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

smit8698@bellsouth.net wrote: >>Many printed sources list her last name as Furner, however, recently discovered baptism records for Susanna Furner prove that she was much too young to be married and having children at the time. Almost nothing is known about James Chilton's wife.  Mrs. Chilton's name has not even been discovered.  It has been widely suggested for many years she may have been Susanna Furner, but this was fairly conclusively disproven by the research of Michael Paulick published in 1999.<< Correcting that one.......my copy of the Chilton Silver book is 1997. Dianne ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi Listers ~ It's been a while since I've posted these, so in the interest of finding some new "cuzzes" and having more experience eyes help me re-check them, here are my Warren,Chilton & Cooke lines. The first generations are all from the Silver books and later generations I have VRs or newspaper marriage and obit. notices. Please let me know if anyone sees any problems with them! Dianne * * * * * * Mayflower lines........ Richard Warren & Elizabeth Walker Elizabeth Warren & Richard Church Joseph Church & Mary Tucker Joseph Church & Grace Shaw Nathaniel Church & Innocent Head Abigail Church & Seth Pope Innocent Pope & Joshua Loring Betsy Loring & Elisha Blossom, Sr. Elisha Blossom, Jr. & Maria Ann Anderson Elisha William Blossom & Betsy Ann Smith (her first marriage, her 2nd marriage was to Cyrus Hyde Fay) Mary Ann Blossom & Charles Carroll Hubbard Agnes Hubbard & Fred T. Wetherbee my father me * * * * * * James Chilton & (poss. Susanna Furner) Isabella Chilton & Roger Chandler Sarah Chandler & Solomon Leonard John Leonard & Sarah Josiah Leonard & (1st wife) Marjoram/Margery Washburn Elizabeth Leonard & James Washburn Reuben Washburn & Betty Dilley Seth Washburn & Elizabeth Dunbar Judah Washburn & Deborah Marsh Mary Eliza Washburn & Jonathan Wetherbee Fred T. Wetherbee & Agnes Hubbard my dad me * * * * * * * Francis Cooke & Hester Mahieu Jane Cooke & Experience Mitchell Elizabeth Mitchell & John Washburn Jonathan Washburn & Mary Vaughn Elizabeth Washburn & John Benson Hannah Benson & James Dunbar Elizabeth Dunbar & Seth Washburn Judah Washburn & Deborah Marsh Mary Eliza Washburn & Jonathan Wetherbee Fred T. Wetherbee & Agnes Hubbard my dad me * * * * * * * Francis Cooke & Hester Mahieu Jane Cooke & Experience Mitchell Elizabeth Mitchell & John Washburn James Washburn & Mary Bowden James Washburn & Elizabeth Leonard Reuben Washburn & Betty Dilley Seth Washburn & Elizabeth Dunbar Judah Washburn & Deborah Marsh Mary Eliza Washburn & Jonathan Wetherbee Fred T. Wetherbee & Agnes Hubbard my dad me ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff y/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Just FYI, this is from Caleb Johnson's website: Many printed sources list her last name as Furner, however, recently discovered baptism records for Susanna Furner prove that she was much too young to be married and having children at the time. Almost nothing is known about James Chilton's wife. Mrs. Chilton's name has not even been discovered. It has been widely suggested for many years she may have been Susanna Furner, but this was fairly conclusively disproven by the research of Michael Paulick published in 1999. Dashmom@aol.com wrote: > Hi Listers ~ It's been a while since I've posted these, so in the interest > of finding some new "cuzzes" and having more experience eyes help me re-check > them, here are my Warren,Chilton & Cooke lines. The first generations are all > from the Silver books and later generations I have VRs or newspaper marriage > and obit. notices. Please let me know if anyone sees any problems with them! > > Dianne > * * * * * * > Mayflower lines........ > > Richard Warren & Elizabeth Walker > Elizabeth Warren & Richard Church > Joseph Church & Mary Tucker > Joseph Church & Grace Shaw > Nathaniel Church & Innocent Head > Abigail Church & Seth Pope > Innocent Pope & Joshua Loring > Betsy Loring & Elisha Blossom, Sr. > Elisha Blossom, Jr. & Maria Ann Anderson > Elisha William Blossom & Betsy Ann Smith (her first marriage, her 2nd > marriage was to Cyrus Hyde Fay) > Mary Ann Blossom & Charles Carroll Hubbard > Agnes Hubbard & Fred T. Wetherbee > my father > me > * * * * * * > James Chilton & (poss. Susanna Furner) > Isabella Chilton & Roger Chandler > Sarah Chandler & Solomon Leonard > John Leonard & Sarah > Josiah Leonard & (1st wife) Marjoram/Margery Washburn > Elizabeth Leonard & James Washburn > Reuben Washburn & Betty Dilley > Seth Washburn & Elizabeth Dunbar > Judah Washburn & Deborah Marsh > Mary Eliza Washburn & Jonathan Wetherbee > Fred T. Wetherbee & Agnes Hubbard > my dad > me > * * * * * * * > Francis Cooke & Hester Mahieu > Jane Cooke & Experience Mitchell > Elizabeth Mitchell & John Washburn > Jonathan Washburn & Mary Vaughn > Elizabeth Washburn & John Benson > Hannah Benson & James Dunbar > Elizabeth Dunbar & Seth Washburn > Judah Washburn & Deborah Marsh > Mary Eliza Washburn & Jonathan Wetherbee > Fred T. Wetherbee & Agnes Hubbard > my dad > me > * * * * * * * > Francis Cooke & Hester Mahieu > Jane Cooke & Experience Mitchell > Elizabeth Mitchell & John Washburn > James Washburn & Mary Bowden > James Washburn & Elizabeth Leonard > Reuben Washburn & Betty Dilley > Seth Washburn & Elizabeth Dunbar > Judah Washburn & Deborah Marsh > Mary Eliza Washburn & Jonathan Wetherbee > Fred T. Wetherbee & Agnes Hubbard > my dad > me > > > ************** > Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duff > y/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think part of the problem with making "official" connections to early North Carolina settlers is that the earliest settlement of that region was illegal. People were moving in before they were "supposed" to. Does anybody on this list have information concerning the location of the deaths of Thomas and Deborah? Stuart On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 17:51 -0500, Susan E. Roser wrote: > Stuart, > > Your line looks fine for the first five generations, however the birth of #6 > James Latham is given with the word "probably". This much can be found in MF > 15 where the birth of James6 Latham, son of Thomas & Deborah (Hardin) > Latham, in North Carolina, 14 Feb. 1736 is found on pg.87. The line is not > carried further. > > It would be a good idea to have the Mayflower office in Plymouth check the > line and see if they can find a previously approved, well documented paper > which matches yours. Or, if you are working with a state historian, ask them > to check for you. Perhaps someone has joined on this line who has found > proof for James since the Chilton MF book was published in 1997. You might > also ask whether or not James' placement in this family would be approved > based solely on the MF book, or if more proof would be required. > > Don't worry too much about name variations and spellings (Harden, Hardin), > it happens a lot. > > Best of luck, > Susan E. Roser > Historian > Canadian Mayflower Society > > www.friendsofthepilgrims.com > > www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Stuart Perkins > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:54 PM > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MFLR] Introduction. > > Hi list. > > My family allegedly has Mayflower ancestry, and I wish to explore this > with the eye to disproving or validating that research. > > I show lineage which follows this path... > > John Winslow - Mary Chilton > Robert Latham - Susanna Winslow > James Latham - Deliverance Alger > Thomas Latham - Deborah Harden > James Latham, Sr. - Agnes Hardin > James Latham - Rebecca Williams > Enoch Crandall - Elizabeth Latham > William H. Perkins - Mary Louise Crandall > > William H. and Mary Louise are my GGG Grandparents. > > Is there any obvious error (or name spelling mistakes) in this line? > The "Harden" and "Hardin" is cause for concern... > -- Stuart Perkins stuartperkins@usa.net Cell:(770) 856-9625

While surfing, I found Michael Grennell born 1752 died 13 Feb1858 age 105 years 10 months 30 days husband of Susannah Balcon born 1760 died 1829. Graves B-150 and 151. Michael is reported GGGgrandson of John and Pricilla Alden. There are 9 or 10 graves all Grennell maybe worth checking out for you Alden Descendants. They are found in Clinton Center Cemetery, Clinton Township, Wayne Co., Pa., across from Clinton Baptist Church on Route 296. From Honesdale take Route 6 W to Route 296 N. Cemetery is on the left. Hope this helps some one looking for Alden descendants.

At 06:06 PM 2/21/2008, you wrote: >Alexander (above) married Desire Doty. Their tenth child was named Thomas, >b. 29 Jan 1690 and is listed as Standish family number 13 which I can mail >to you. There is a possibility that both the Standish and Doty family >organizations may have further information on this marriage. >Regards, >JC3 JC3 et al: I'm confused...if Alexander Standish (Myles & Barbara) married Desire Doty, then who is the Alexander Standish that married Sarah Alden (John & Priscilla)? Or is my house of Mayflower cards about to come tumbling 'round my ears? Margaret Looking at Alden, Standish and Brewster

-----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: 21 February 2008 01:36 To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Trying to connect the higgins to the mayflower I am trying to locate information on the HIGGINS family to the Mayflower. My William Higgins married Keziah Littlefield daughter of Daniel Littlefield and Catherine Cole. Does anyone have them in their search? Any help would be very appreciated. Thank you, Sharon Hi Sharon I have a confirmed descent to Richard HIGGINS and through his line to a Moses HIGGINS who married a Hannah ROGERS. The line is:- Richard (the immigrant) and Lydia CHANDLER Benjamin & Lydia BANGS Richard 15/10/1664 & Sarah HAMBLEN Moses 24/03/1710/11 & Elizabeth AREY Elnathan 31/05/1740 & Mercy SPARROW Moses 19/10/1770 & Hannah ROGERS This HIGGINS line comes down to the modern time & I can trace it down directly to me. The above Hannah ROGERS born 19/10/1771 her parents Prince ROGERS 29/06/1738 & Susannah SNOW Prince son of James ROGERS 02/05/1706 & Hannah GODFREY James son of: James ROGERS 30/10/1673 & Susannah TRACY James son of: James ROGERS 18/10/1648 & Mary PAINE James son of: Joseph ROGERS born bef 23/01/1601/02 & Hannah ???? Joseph son of: Thomas born bef 1572 & Alice COSFORD This Thomas was the original passenger on the MAYFLOWER as was his son Joseph. Most of the above Rogers line can be checked in the SILVER MAYFLOWER FAMILIES no 19 Thomas ROGERS. In conclusion if you can trace your HIGGINS line down or up to Moses HIGGINS born 19 October 1740 you can then claim descent to Thomas ROGERS of the MAYFLOWER. Obviously I have birth Marriage & death dates and places where most of each happened so if I can help you only have to ask Regards Rob WILKINSON P.S. I am an Englishman living in England and the above dates are in an English format IE DD/MM/YYYY

Desire was a well used Doty name. One of Edward's daughters was named Desire. As I recall she was child number five. Presently I have only MF-11, part 3 with Edward's last three children Issac Joseph and Mary. Someone may be able to help you by checking on daughter Desire in another MF-11 volume. The information I listed earlier came from the Standish volume and I apologize for answering to the list. The information was for dmarge-aol in answer to her Standish-Doty connection question. Yes there is a connection, albeit not as she proposes. My point was that her facts are correct but the dates from the Standish rendition do not concur with her research dates. This was to allow her the opportunity for review. I have worked with her before and know that she does not have an MF library. Ergo: Lets dry our tears. Alexander Standish (Myles 1) first married Sarah Alden (John and Priscilla Mullins Alden). He second married Desire Doty, which should interest dpmarge. The first eight of his eleven children were probably children of Sarah Alden. The important children to dpmarge are children nine, ten and eleven where the names Desire, Thomas and Ichabod come into play. I don't want to get into an advocate researchers quandary of blowing on houses of cards or breaking Mayflower hearts. Next time I will be more careful with addresses. Craig's suggestion is well placed; first check the list FAQ. Regards, JC3 On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Margaret Smith <mpsmith@myvine.com> wrote: > At 06:06 PM 2/21/2008, you wrote: > > >Alexander (above) married Desire Doty. Their tenth child was named > Thomas, > >b. 29 Jan 1690 and is listed as Standish family number 13 which I can > mail > >to you. There is a possibility that both the Standish and Doty family > >organizations may have further information on this marriage. > >Regards, > >JC3 > > JC3 et al: > > I'm confused...if Alexander Standish (Myles & Barbara) married Desire > Doty, then who is the Alexander Standish that married Sarah Alden > (John & Priscilla)? Or is my house of Mayflower cards about to come > tumbling 'round my ears? > > Margaret > Looking at Alden, Standish and Brewster > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning Bill, Your message: "What I do NOT know is the pedigree of Thomas WESTON. " This is not an answer to your problem but perhaps it will give you a little more information. Interesting that a will is mentioned with Prudence as administrator and perhaps available. According to the Samuel Weston manuscript: Thomas Weston: This man seems to have been the first Thomas of that family name who appeared in Plymouth or Duxbury. Davis says perhaps he was a son of Elnathan and Jane. Elnathan Weston's will is very explicit, and makes no mention of a son Thomas, although this Thomas was living when that will was written. There is no record when or where this Thomas was born, or from whence he came, nor of who his parents were. He appears to have been born about 1700, he married (1) 1723 Mary Howland. She was b. 1702, dau. of Nathaniel and granddau. of Joseph Howland 2d of Plymouth. She d. before 1730 and he marr. (2) Prudence Conant, dau. of Josiah Conant. He had a family of one son and two daughters. He d. Plymouth 1743 and his widow Prudence was appointed administrator. By first wife Mary, he had a son Thomas who was b. 20 March 1725; d. 23 June 1725. By 2d wife Prudence he had a dau. Mary who m. 22 Nov. 1753 William Weston of Plympton, son of Benjamin and, his 2d wife, H! annah ( Coomer) Weston. [there is no other daughter listed as indicated above] NOTE: There was a Thomas Weston in Boston by some persons supposed to have been a son of the above Thomas of Plymouth but the compiler lists unable to find that the Boston Thomas was ever in the Plymouth or Duxbury area or had any relation or connection. Thomas Weston of Boston m. 20 Dec. 1751 Isabella Campbell. Relatively yours, Muriel Curtis Cushing

Can anyone who is researching the Weston surname tell me if Myron Henry Weston (born 1843 in Pennsylvania) might possibly connect to the Westons mentioned in the recent Weston posts, or those in the Soule silver book? This is not really my family, but that of an elderly legally blind cousin who I try to help when I can (Myron Henry Weston was a direct ancestor of the husband of this cousin; Weston was also the surname of her stepmother...). If it turns out Myron Henry Weston has no Mayflower connection, please send any info on his ancestry to me off list. Thanks! Kathy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathryn P.B. Fenton Virginia Beach, VA (Descendant of Alden/Mullins, Brewster, Doty, Edward Fuller, Hopkins, Howland/Tilley, Rogers, Samson, and Standish) http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/e/n/K-Fenton/index.html Recycle yourself! Tell someone you want to be an organ and tissue donor! http://save7lives.org