On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:39:45 EST, Gailsline@aol.com wrote: > I spoke with the publisher today. The two books, > descendants of John and Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland > through the daughters Hope and Elizabeth are all in the > computers there. I'm afraid I don't understand all I should about the Mayflower books. Perhaps some kind soul can clarify for me. I see there is already a book available in the "Mayflower Families Genealogies through Five Generations" series - vol 23 part 1, covering Howland's last six children. I gather the two new books will be parts 2 and 3 in that series? There are also two Howland books that apparently are not part of the Five Generations project, vol 1 apparently on Desire's children and vol 2 on son John's. How do these books differ from the others? This is of interest because my wife, whose descent from William Bradford I have successfully proved, also has a supposed descent from Howland that I'd like to explore. Thanks for any clarification anyone can offer. Terry Reigel

Re: Thomas Weston I had not noticed that Thomas Weston (son of Thomas and Mary Howland Weston) died soon after birth, even though the silver book lists his wife as Isabella Campbell. I did find out that Thomas's 2nd wife Prudence Conant bore him a son Thomas in 1732 in Plymouth. Perhaps this Thomas married Isabella. There were also several other Thomas Westons born about the same time and in the same area (one with Joseph Weston the father). Kenneth Howland Molloy

Does anyone know anything about a Sally Weston who married Perez H. Sampson 9Sept 9,1803possibly Duxbury, MA or perhaps Kingston or Pembroke or ...? Thank you Barbara

Muriel, Are you thinking Mary might of had a second son, also named Thomas who was born just prior to Mary's death in Feb 1730 and died sometime before the death of Prudence in Jan 1766? Randy At 06:56 AM 2/27/2008, you wrote: >Good morning Bill & Ken, > >I haven't researched this family but I notice that Thomas Weston, son of Thomas and Mary (Howland) Weston died a few months after birth. According to the 1903 Samuel Weston mss. Thomas Weston of Boston who m. Isabella Campbell "is thought by some" to be the son of Thomas Weston though there is nothing to substantiate the theory. > >The will of Prudence (Conant) Weston (thanks to Bill) mentions her daus. Mary, Sarah and deceased son Thomas Weston. It would be interesting to see the Thomas Weston will cited in Howland MF 23:1:163. It seems dau. Mary Weston m. William Weston, son of Benjamin and his 2nd wife Hannah (Coomer) Weston. Sarah Weston was born 3 years after the death of Thomas Weston and court records fining Prudence support the illegitimacy. Prudence's will mentions "my granchildren, the children of my son Thomas Weston, dec." > >The mss. lists Thomas Weston m. Isabella Campbell in Boston on 29 Dec. 1751 giving him a birth year of approx. 1730 (if 21). Mary (Howland) Weston d.13 Feb. 1730 (cause of death is not listed in Burial Hill, 1990, p.380) and Thomas Weston m. a few months later 4 May 1730 Prudence Conant. Perhaps Mary (Howland) died in childbirth and Thomas needed someone in a hurry to care for his infant son??? Thomas Weston of Boston could be the child of either wife but Prudence's will does confirm a son Thomas who married and had children. > >This is a quick overview. Any thoughts?? > >Relatively yours, >Muriel Curtis Cushing > > >-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- >From: "Ken Molloy" <kmacape@verizon.net> >To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [MFLR] John HOWLAND Descendant: Mary HOWLAND, b.15 Feb 1701/1702 Plymouth >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:03:47 +0000 > >Mary Howland d. of Nathaniel (Joseph, John) m. Thomas Weston. One child >Thomas Weston b. 2 March 1724/5 m. Isabella Campbell >Kenneth Howland Molloy > >Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for >this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message >Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2906 (20080227) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com

Good morning Bill & Ken, I haven't researched this family but I notice that Thomas Weston, son of Thomas and Mary (Howland) Weston died a few months after birth. According to the 1903 Samuel Weston mss. Thomas Weston of Boston who m. Isabella Campbell "is thought by some" to be the son of Thomas Weston though there is nothing to substantiate the theory. The will of Prudence (Conant) Weston (thanks to Bill) mentions her daus. Mary, Sarah and deceased son Thomas Weston. It would be interesting to see the Thomas Weston will cited in Howland MF 23:1:163. It seems dau. Mary Weston m. William Weston, son of Benjamin and his 2nd wife Hannah (Coomer) Weston. Sarah Weston was born 3 years after the death of Thomas Weston and court records fining Prudence support the illegitimacy. Prudence's will mentions "my granchildren, the children of my son Thomas Weston, dec." The mss. lists Thomas Weston m. Isabella Campbell in Boston on 29 Dec. 1751 giving him a birth year of approx. 1730 (if 21). Mary (Howland) Weston d.13 Feb. 1730 (cause of death is not listed in Burial Hill, 1990, p.380) and Thomas Weston m. a few months later 4 May 1730 Prudence Conant. Perhaps Mary (Howland) died in childbirth and Thomas needed someone in a hurry to care for his infant son??? Thomas Weston of Boston could be the child of either wife but Prudence's will does confirm a son Thomas who married and had children. This is a quick overview. Any thoughts?? Relatively yours, Muriel Curtis Cushing -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Ken Molloy" <kmacape@verizon.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] John HOWLAND Descendant: Mary HOWLAND, b.15 Feb 1701/1702 Plymouth Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:03:47 +0000 Mary Howland d. of Nathaniel (Joseph, John) m. Thomas Weston. One child Thomas Weston b. 2 March 1724/5 m. Isabella Campbell Kenneth Howland Molloy Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Judith Elfring, our registrar's e-mail is: _jci4822@juno.com_ (mailto:jci4822@juno.com) I believe she is out of town at the moment. When e-mailing her, please provide your snail mail address so she can mail the forms. Gail Ann Adams Editor, The Howland Quarterly In a message dated 2/27/2008 9:38:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wing_genealogist@yahoo.com writes: I am trying to obtain a membership application to join the Pilgrim John Howland Society. I have visited their website, and followed their links to join. It stated to contact their registrar, Judith Elfring, and gave a link to her email address <jelfring@pilgrimjohnhowlandsociety.org> However, when I sent an email to this address, it bounced back immediately as undeliverable. I had attempted to email another PJHS officer, John R. Howland, with the same result. Can someone instruct me on how to properly contact the PJHS Registrar? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I am trying to obtain a membership application to join the Pilgrim John Howland Society. I have visited their website, and followed their links to join. It stated to contact their registrar, Judith Elfring, and gave a link to her email address <jelfring@pilgrimjohnhowlandsociety.org> However, when I sent an email to this address, it bounced back immediately as undeliverable. I had attempted to email another PJHS officer, John R. Howland, with the same result. Can someone instruct me on how to properly contact the PJHS Registrar? Raymond T. Wing

Thomas Jenkins was born at Barnstable, MA on 8 MAR 1725/6, son of Ebenezer Jenkins and Judith White. Judith descends from William White of the Mayflower through: Resolved, Samuel, Melatiah, Judith. Thomas Jenkins married Thankful Wing at Harwich, MA on 23 APR 1752. Does anyone have a list of children for Thomas & Judith? I currently have Judith (born about 1752); Thomas (born about 1761); and possibly Melatiah (born about 1768). Has anyone found any probate records for Thomas? The Parish records for the First Parish Church of Harwich (now in Brewster) stated that Widow Thankf[u]l Jenkins was received into Communion on 4 SEP 1785, so Thomas died before that date. Raymond T. Wing Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. www.wingfamily.org Raymond T. Wing Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA] www.wingfamily.org

Hello all -- Here is an update for the two new Howland books. First, this is ALL the information I have. They are NOT taking pre-orders at this time as they do no have an exact page count. I spoke with the publisher today. The two books, descendants of John and Elizabeth (Tilley) Howland through the daughters Hope and Elizabeth are all in the computers there. The final copy has been sent back to the author for final proofing and corrections (there has been some corrections!). Once that is done, it goes back to the pub. for indexing (which is why we don't have an exact page count). Once the indexing is complete, it goes to the printer for copying and binding. This process will take a month or two. (Probably less for Elizabeth as that volume is much shorter that the Hope vol.). So, we are looking at May - July, barring any problems. They will call me when there is more news and I will pass it along right away. As I said, this is all the info available. Gail Ann Adams Editor, The Howland Quarterly **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Mary Howland d. of Nathaniel (Joseph, John) m. Thomas Weston. One child Thomas Weston b. 2 March 1724/5 m. Isabella Campbell Kenneth Howland Molloy

I've been told that I may have violated protocol by NOT telling you that I remain, Bill Van Hemert, Edmund WESTON,ii & Rebecca SOULE Descendant **************** I do NOT have access to either Silver Books or pinks(if they exist) concerning MAYFLOWER passenger, John HOWLAND. I would like to know what SOMD says about HOWLAND descendant, Mary HOWLAND, b.15 Feb 1701/1702 Plymouth, daughter of Nathaniel H. and Martha COLE, AND as of what date(copyright) that is. More specifically, I would like to know who were Mrry's children and did they survive to marry AND if so who were their spouses, etc. THANKS !

I do NOT have access to either Silver Books or pinks(if they exist) concerning MAYFLOWER passenger, John HOWLAND. I would like to know what SOMD says about HOWLAND descendant, Mary HOWLAND, b.15 Feb 1701/1702 Plymouth, daughter of Nathaniel H. and Martha COLE, AND as of what date(copyright) that is. More specifically, I would like to know who were Mrry's children and did they survive to marry AND if so who were their spouses, etc. THANKS !

At 07:37 AM 2/25/2008, Richard Hayes wrote: >It appears that we are both correct if there were two Sarah Chandlers. Can anyone cite a contemporary record to show that the surname of Moses Simonson's wife was Chandler? I think not. Her surname is not known. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml

roser@iprimus.ca wrote: >>Deborah Marsh is the spouse of the line carrier, therefore if you have a secondary source family history as proof of her birth, that should be fine. And, the citation of a family bible in a Boston Transcript column should be sufficient to prove their marriage. It would help support these sources if you had Judah's will or probate records which named wife Deborah.<< Thanks Susan! I'm still looking for a will! Dianne ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi Dianne, It appears that we are both correct if there were two Sarah Chandlers. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Virginia, Small world! I just received an email from someone who is applying to the society thru the Alden line below that you posted about. He is descended from Michael & Susanna Grinnell. Can you tell me where you found the information below on the cemetery? Susan www.friendsofthepilgrims.com www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Virginia Watts Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:42 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Alden Descendants While surfing, I found Michael Grennell born 1752 died 13 Feb1858 age 105 years 10 months 30 days husband of Susannah Balcon born 1760 died 1829. Graves B-150 and 151. Michael is reported GGGgrandson of John and Pricilla Alden. There are 9 or 10 graves all Grennell maybe worth checking out for you Alden Descendants. They are found in Clinton Center Cemetery, Clinton Township, Wayne Co., Pa., across from Clinton Baptist Church on Route 296. From Honesdale take Route 6 W to Route 296 N. Cemetery is on the left. Hope this helps some one looking for Alden descendants.

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Dale: Thanks for the citation about Sarah Chandler. Christie -----Original Message----- From: Dale H. Cook <radiotest@cox.net> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 8:25 am Subject: Re: [MFLR] Warren, Chilton & Cooke lines At 10:58 AM 2/24/2008, Christie Trapp wrote: >I have both Sarah Chandler's in my database. The one married to Moses >Simmons was born before 1620 in England and died in Duxbury according >to my database aft 1644. I have no parents listed for her. I have never found any contemporary record that provides the surname of Sarah (___) Simonson. Sarah, wife of "Moses Symonds," was named in an 03-Jun-1673 court record [PCR 5:116], and so was living then, but undoubtedly died before Moses' 17-Jun-1689 will which does not provide for her [MD 31:60]. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

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At 10:58 AM 2/24/2008, Christie Trapp wrote: >I have both Sarah Chandler's in my database. The one married to Moses >Simmons was born before 1620 in England and died in Duxbury according >to my database aft 1644. I have no parents listed for her. I have never found any contemporary record that provides the surname of Sarah (___) Simonson. Sarah, wife of "Moses Symonds," was named in an 03-Jun-1673 court record [PCR 5:116], and so was living then, but undoubtedly died before Moses' 17-Jun-1689 will which does not provide for her [MD 31:60]. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml