The guide speech usually has a line indicating that they don't really know for sure that the pilgrims actually stepped on this particular rock. The fact is that this isn't even the same rock that was there 50 years ago. Yup the rock is so heavily vandalized that every once in a while they haul it away and drag in a new one. In between times they have to do some heavy maintenance on it regularly. The last time in was rotated out was in the 60s that I know of however I haven't been there since the early 80s so t may have had some work done in that time. If a guide is asked why it doesn't look quite like the old post card they have they are told to blame it on the vandals. Don't be shocked. Some things are historical and others are about tourist dollars. Even if some of our traditional symbols are not as real as we would like we can't have one with out the others and on the whole Plymouth is a great destination and the historical aspects far out weigh the commercial. Janean Ray wrote: > Reminds me of when we went to Mount Rushmore. Every turn around the > mountain I was expecting the sky to open up to this amazing ROCK of > presidents and say WOW. You could barely catch a glimpse of it from the > parking lot and you walk through this entrance way out to a lookout deck and > up in the hill there it is. It seemed so small in comparison to how they > portray the photos of it on postcards and in your Rand McCanlly road atlas > or something.... so majestic looking with the lights blazing on it at night > etc. We walked up to the lookout point and stood there like.......... OK??? > LOL > > I felt like Chevy Chase in the vacation movie where they walked to the Grand > Canyon and nodded their heads and turned and walked away. LOL........ but > it's when you think of how these icons came to BE....... is what makes it > worthwhile. > > I checked out Plymouth Rock on line when I originally joined this list and > was amazed at the size of it myself. I think we are given the impression > that it's this massive thing that they climbed upon declaring "We have > arrived" > > What we don't know or realize too is only 1/3 of it is visible and weighing > about 4 tons and the bottom which is under the sand is about 6 tons. As the > website states the rock as it is today is estimated to be only about 1/3 to > 1/2 of it's original size. The top half has been dragged around town, > broken, chipped away at by 19th and 19th century souvenir hunters. > > www.pilgrimhall.org > > So that's our culture for ya. Let's destroy ancient artifacts so we can > have a piece of it. > > Even out in SD in the Badlands..... you get arrested if found taking rocks > from there and the park is wide open for your personal travel and pleasure > and full access. But you pick up a rock....... you're done! So I guess > it's a blessing we still have at least some of the original Plymouth Rock. > > Janean > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Reminds me of when we went to Mount Rushmore. Every turn around the mountain I was expecting the sky to open up to this amazing ROCK of presidents and say WOW. You could barely catch a glimpse of it from the parking lot and you walk through this entrance way out to a lookout deck and up in the hill there it is. It seemed so small in comparison to how they portray the photos of it on postcards and in your Rand McCanlly road atlas or something.... so majestic looking with the lights blazing on it at night etc. We walked up to the lookout point and stood there like.......... OK??? LOL I felt like Chevy Chase in the vacation movie where they walked to the Grand Canyon and nodded their heads and turned and walked away. LOL........ but it's when you think of how these icons came to BE....... is what makes it worthwhile. I checked out Plymouth Rock on line when I originally joined this list and was amazed at the size of it myself. I think we are given the impression that it's this massive thing that they climbed upon declaring "We have arrived" What we don't know or realize too is only 1/3 of it is visible and weighing about 4 tons and the bottom which is under the sand is about 6 tons. As the website states the rock as it is today is estimated to be only about 1/3 to 1/2 of it's original size. The top half has been dragged around town, broken, chipped away at by 19th and 19th century souvenir hunters. www.pilgrimhall.org So that's our culture for ya. Let's destroy ancient artifacts so we can have a piece of it. Even out in SD in the Badlands..... you get arrested if found taking rocks from there and the park is wide open for your personal travel and pleasure and full access. But you pick up a rock....... you're done! So I guess it's a blessing we still have at least some of the original Plymouth Rock. Janean

I am also a decendant of Edward Doty. I have a connection to prove but I was interested in how you decend from Edward Doty. Lois E. Weyandt loisweyandt@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: GEANELLEN<mailto:gkuranko@sprynet.com> To: MAYFLOWER@rootsweb.com<mailto:MAYFLOWER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: [MFLR] Plimoth Rock! well I just returned from a 11,000 mile trip. way too many states to count... BUT we left WA state in an RV in April of this year. In May we finally arrived to Plymouth, Mass. 68 years, 6000 miles to get to come to Plymouth to see "Plimoth Rock"... and the darn ole thing was all boarded up!! Diesel being $4.95 a gallon when we were there sure cost me allot to only be able to buy a post card of the "famous rock". How terribly disappointed and bankrupt am I. a direct descendant of Pilgrim Edward Doty. Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm<http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, I remember my first view of "the boys" as we lovingly refer to the Mt. Rushmore inhabitants in my family. We had a beautiful view of them (that picture post-card view) from our very cheap motel at the foot of the Mount. At night they were lit up and it was, simply, breath-taking. I haven't been in probably 30 years, if it's not like that now I don't think I want to go back. I'd much rather keep my very fond memory. Polly Hall-Burley P.S. The size of rocks can be very deceiving when they are partially or mostly hidden below ground. We are currently trying to figure out how to move a 29 ton piece of granite that didn't look like much until we dug it out! On Jun 11, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Reminds me of when we went to Mount Rushmore. Every turn around the > mountain I was expecting the sky to open up to this amazing ROCK of > presidents and say WOW. You could barely catch a glimpse of it from > the > parking lot and you walk through this entrance way out to a lookout > deck and > up in the hill there it is. It seemed so small in comparison to how > they > portray the photos of it on postcards and in your Rand McCanlly road > atlas > or something.... so majestic looking with the lights blazing on it at > night > etc. We walked up to the lookout point and stood there like.......... > OK??? > LOL > > I felt like Chevy Chase in the vacation movie where they walked to the > Grand > Canyon and nodded their heads and turned and walked away. LOL........ > but > it's when you think of how these icons came to BE....... is what makes > it > worthwhile. > > I checked out Plymouth Rock on line when I originally joined this list > and > was amazed at the size of it myself. I think we are given the > impression > that it's this massive thing that they climbed upon declaring "We have > arrived" > > What we don't know or realize too is only 1/3 of it is visible and > weighing > about 4 tons and the bottom which is under the sand is about 6 tons. > As the > website states the rock as it is today is estimated to be only about > 1/3 to > 1/2 of it's original size. The top half has been dragged around town, > broken, chipped away at by 19th and 19th century souvenir hunters. > > www.pilgrimhall.org > > So that's our culture for ya. Let's destroy ancient artifacts so we > can > have a piece of it. > > Even out in SD in the Badlands..... you get arrested if found taking > rocks > from there and the park is wide open for your personal travel and > pleasure > and full access. But you pick up a rock....... you're done! So I > guess > it's a blessing we still have at least some of the original Plymouth > Rock. > > Janean > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OH NO!! That's really bad luck. I saw it 5 years ago and I must admit, it isn't much of a rock. Just a small roundish boulder with 1620 chiseled into it. It sits in an enclosure that was full of sand and cigarette butts when we were there. But, the Mayflower Museum, the GSMD Library and Burial Hill were great. So was Brewster Park and the "Mayflower II" All in all, I'd say the rock was the least memorable part of the trip. Hope you did some sightseeing and saw some other things that made your trip worthwhile. Linda in TN GEANELLEN wrote: > well I just returned from a 11,000 mile trip. way too many states to count... BUT we left WA state in an RV in April of this year. In May we finally arrived to Plymouth, Mass. 68 years, 6000 miles to get to come to Plymouth to see "Plimoth Rock"... and the darn ole thing was all boarded up!! Diesel being $4.95 a gallon when we were there sure cost me allot to only be able to buy a post card of the "famous rock". How terribly disappointed and bankrupt am I. > a direct descendant of Pilgrim Edward Doty. > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

well I just returned from a 11,000 mile trip. way too many states to count... BUT we left WA state in an RV in April of this year. In May we finally arrived to Plymouth, Mass. 68 years, 6000 miles to get to come to Plymouth to see "Plimoth Rock"... and the darn ole thing was all boarded up!! Diesel being $4.95 a gallon when we were there sure cost me allot to only be able to buy a post card of the "famous rock". How terribly disappointed and bankrupt am I. a direct descendant of Pilgrim Edward Doty.

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At 08:05 AM 6/10/2008, Richard Hayes wrote: >I have looked at Dale H. Cook's website. There is so much there that it will >take a while to find the information that I could use. What, in particular, are you looking for? Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3WLTYoMJZK4boNeWHDy5McocMH4BqAaav60WwmlmI4fKxv/

Hi Lois, I have looked at Dale H. Cook's website. There is so much there that it will take a while to find the information that I could use. Thanks. Richard

At 03:49 PM 6/9/2008, Lois Kortering wrote: >The second paragraph has Nahum Mitchell's book. I haven't been following this thread, but I guess my ears must have been burning as I looked at that message. As the editor of the online edition of Mitchell's "History of Bridgewater" let me note that there are many errors in Mitchell. Despite that it can still be useful. However, a much better account of Moses and Sarah (___) Simonson, in-laws of Patience (Barstow) Simonson, can be found in Vol. 3 of Robert Charles Anderson, "The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants To New England 1620-1633," 3 Vols. (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995; CD-ROM, Orem, UT: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2000). As far as the link to Mitchell going bad, most of the town sites for Plymouth County, as well as the county site, moved to my new domain earlier this year. That move was noted here and on many other mailing lists when it occurred. Since I haven't been following the thread, and since I do have Anderson, are there any questions I can answer about the Simonsons from that work or from other works in my library? Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Recharge and relax. Click for great vacation ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMAbCeWgWNKyI7gYETkzqufN68WCOyu5A16EVeY21Iz4kax/

Thanks, Richard, and that might explain why my dates are not meshing. Here is Dale H. Cook's Plymouth Colony website, and you can get to his Bridgewater, MA website this way. Arrow down below the picture of the Alden house and click on "Books Online." The second paragraph has Nahum Mitchell's book. http://plymouthcolony.net/ Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Hayes" <RichardAHayes@comcast.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > Hi Lois, > > You seem to be missing a generation or two in your Job Simmons line. I > have > a Job Simmons as the son of Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. He was > born > on 10 Apr 1674 in Scituate, MA and married on 15 Jun 1700 to Hannah > Bishop. > I do not have any more information on him. I was not able to access this > link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > Moses Simmons is supposed to have been born in Leyden on 1 Jan 1604. > > I wish there were more baptism records for these families. > > Richard

Thank you, Margaret - your notes on dates make much more sense to me. Polly On Jun 9, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Margaret Olson wrote: > At 07:31 AM 6/9/2008, Richard wrote: >> A number of the persons who have listed Moses Chandler on the >> WorldConnect >> website list Moses as the son of William Moses Simmons and Lydia Ann >> Holland. I do not know if it is correct, but it works for me. > > It does not work for me. Your previous post said Moses Williams > Simmons and you now say William Moses Simmons, but my comment would > be the same for both. You should be extremely suspicions of trees > for people in the 1500s which show people with middle names. Middle > names just did not happen back then. Unless the WorldConnect files > give sources for the names of William Moses Simmons and Lydia Ann > Holland, I'd put question marks by them when you use them or pass > them on to someone else. > > For resources, Robert Charles Anderson's "The Great Migration Begins" > and "The following Great Migration books are a current resource > which, along with the Silver Books, would be the sources I'd trust the > most. > >> I have 9 children for John Simmons and Mercy Peabody and 5 children >> for >> Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. Does this agree with your records? > > Those numbers do agree with what I have. > > I have looked at the History of Bridgewater which Lois > mentions. (Others of my family lived in that area, too). > >> History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on >> website >> created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. >> Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > This link is not working right now. Has it moved off of RootsWeb > along with many USGenweb-related pages? > > And Polly asks: >> Does anyone notice (or care) that the Moses Simmons who married >> Patience Barstow - if we go with the dates given by Lois, seems to >> have >> married at the age of 5? "Born abt 1639, Married abt 1644). > > I have the marriage (source, again, TGMB) as "abt 1664". > > Margaret > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lois, You seem to be missing a generation or two in your Job Simmons line. I have a Job Simmons as the son of Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. He was born on 10 Apr 1674 in Scituate, MA and married on 15 Jun 1700 to Hannah Bishop. I do not have any more information on him. I was not able to access this link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html Moses Simmons is supposed to have been born in Leyden on 1 Jan 1604. I wish there were more baptism records for these families. Richard ------------------------------------------------- From: "Lois Kortering" <lekort@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:31 AM To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > Margaret and other Simmons descendants. I have read every posting of this > latest string about the Simmons family, and it only confuses me further! > > Have any of you gone on this website of Dale H. Cook? He posted the link > a > couple of weeks ago: > > History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on > website > created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. > Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > I do not know of Moses having the middle name of "Williams." I understood > that his father was William. Also, there has been no proof that Sarah's > surname--be it her maiden name or a former married surname--was CHANDLER. > > Never has a family been so complicated and misunderstood! I thought I > finally got it right. Someone either puts an extra Moses in the line or > an > extra John, or an extra Job!!! > > As far as I have been able to understand, William Simonzoon was the > first-known Simmons, and he married an unknown woman. As far as I can > understand, he had just one son, Moses Simmons, also known as Moyses > Symonson or Moses Symonds. He was born "about" 1605 in Leiden/Leydon, > Netherlands. He died Bet. 17 June 1689 - 10 September 1691. He married > Sarah (UNKNOWN). Their children were: > > Rebecca, b. abt. 1635 > Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 > Mary, b. abt. 1641 > John, b. abt. 1644 > Sarah, b. abt. 1649 > Elizabeth, b. abt. 1651 > Aaron, b. abt. 1653 > > My line is: > William Simon, m. Unknown > Moses Simons/Moses Symonson, Sr., m. Sarah (Unknown) - I have just one son > for William Simonzoon, no John, no Thomas. > Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 > Job Simmons, Sr., b. abt. (I have no dates for him), m. Hannah Bishop (no > dates for her) > Job, Jr., (no dates), m. on 20 October 1742 in Pembroke, Plymouth, > Massachusetts Abigail Parris, b. 30 November 1725, > James Griff(is), Sr., b. 29 August 1739, m. on 22 October 1767 in > Cornwall, > Connecticut to Hannah Simmons, b. 1746. > James Griff(es), Jr., b. 19 July 1777, m. Cyntha (Unknown). - the name > changed to Griffes and stayed that way through myself! > Orlin Griff(es), m. Susan Stilwell. > Ensign Beals Griffes, m. Catherine Margaret Little - my > great-grandparents. > > Whoops! For some reason I have Hannah Simmons' death date as "after 1758" > and I do not know how I got that date. A typo on my part? > > James Griffis, Sr. and Hannah Simmons had a son James Griffes, Jr., b. 30 > May 1773 and a daughter Sarah Borden Griffes, b. 19 July 1777, so how > could > Hannah have died in 1758? She would have been only 12 years old! > > Note: James Griffes, Jr. changed the spelling of his last name from > Griffis > to Griffes. > > I have the book, "History of the Simmons Family" by L.A. Simmons (Lorenzo > Albert Simmons). > I have read what was written in "The Great Migration Begins." > I have read the transcription of "History of Bridgewater" by Nahum > Mitchell. > William Simonzoon had only one son named Moses, but no son named John, and > no son named Thomas. > > History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on > website > created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. > Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > Just when I think I understand the SIMMONS family, I don't!!! > > Oh, and I do have Rebecca married to John Soule, but I have her married a > second time to "Unknown." > > Lois (GRIFFES) KORTERING > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Olson" <olson@shout.net> > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > > >> >>>I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They are >>>Moses >>>Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married Mercy >>>Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >>>interested in John or Moses? >> >> I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams >> for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back >> then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. >> >> Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p >> 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and >> Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His >> marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 >> December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to >> John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; >> John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to >> Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. >> >> Margaret >> descended from John.

At 07:31 AM 6/9/2008, Richard wrote: >A number of the persons who have listed Moses Chandler on the WorldConnect >website list Moses as the son of William Moses Simmons and Lydia Ann >Holland. I do not know if it is correct, but it works for me. It does not work for me. Your previous post said Moses Williams Simmons and you now say William Moses Simmons, but my comment would be the same for both. You should be extremely suspicions of trees for people in the 1500s which show people with middle names. Middle names just did not happen back then. Unless the WorldConnect files give sources for the names of William Moses Simmons and Lydia Ann Holland, I'd put question marks by them when you use them or pass them on to someone else. For resources, Robert Charles Anderson's "The Great Migration Begins" and "The following Great Migration books are a current resource which, along with the Silver Books, would be the sources I'd trust the most. >I have 9 children for John Simmons and Mercy Peabody and 5 children for >Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. Does this agree with your records? Those numbers do agree with what I have. I have looked at the History of Bridgewater which Lois mentions. (Others of my family lived in that area, too). >History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on website >created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. >Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. >http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html This link is not working right now. Has it moved off of RootsWeb along with many USGenweb-related pages? And Polly asks: >Does anyone notice (or care) that the Moses Simmons who married >Patience Barstow - if we go with the dates given by Lois, seems to have >married at the age of 5? "Born abt 1639, Married abt 1644). I have the marriage (source, again, TGMB) as "abt 1664". Margaret

Hi Margaret, A number of the persons who have listed Moses Chandler on the WorldConnect website list Moses as the son of William Moses Simmons and Lydia Ann Holland. I do not know if it is correct, but it works for me. John Simmons and Mercy Peabody are my 8th great grand parents. That would make us cousins some place along the way. The Joseph Alden who married Mary Simmons is my 9th great grand uncle. I have 9 children for John Simmons and Mercy Peabody and 5 children for Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. Does this agree with your records? Richard -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Olson" <olson@shout.net> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:57 PM To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > >>I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They are >>Moses >>Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married Mercy >>Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >>interested in John or Moses? > > I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams > for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back > then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. > > Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p > 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and > Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His > marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 > December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to > John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; > John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to > Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. > > Margaret > descended from John.

Check the silver books for John Alden and the Phillip de la Noy (green cover) by the Mayflower Society to help you out with these families. Christie -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Olson <olson@shout.net> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 6:57 pm Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons >I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They are Moses >Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married Mercy >Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >interested in John or Moses? I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. Margaret descended from John. Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone notice (or care) that the Moses Simmons who married Patience Barstow - if we go with the dates given by Lois, seems to have married at the age of 5? "Born abt 1639, Married abt 1644). Just curious. Polly On Jun 9, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Richard Hayes wrote: > Hi Lois, > > You seem to be missing a generation or two in your Job Simmons line. I > have > a Job Simmons as the son of Moses Simmons and Patience Barstow. He was > born > on 10 Apr 1674 in Scituate, MA and married on 15 Jun 1700 to Hannah > Bishop. > I do not have any more information on him. I was not able to access > this > link: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html > > Moses Simmons is supposed to have been born in Leyden on 1 Jan 1604. > > I wish there were more baptism records for these families. > > Richard > ------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lois Kortering" <lekort@comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:31 AM > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > >> Margaret and other Simmons descendants. I have read every posting of >> this >> latest string about the Simmons family, and it only confuses me >> further! >> >> Have any of you gone on this website of Dale H. Cook? He posted the >> link >> a >> couple of weeks ago: >> >> History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on >> website >> created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. >> Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html >> >> I do not know of Moses having the middle name of "Williams." I >> understood >> that his father was William. Also, there has been no proof that >> Sarah's >> surname--be it her maiden name or a former married surname--was >> CHANDLER. >> >> Never has a family been so complicated and misunderstood! I thought I >> finally got it right. Someone either puts an extra Moses in the line >> or >> an >> extra John, or an extra Job!!! >> >> As far as I have been able to understand, William Simonzoon was the >> first-known Simmons, and he married an unknown woman. As far as I can >> understand, he had just one son, Moses Simmons, also known as Moyses >> Symonson or Moses Symonds. He was born "about" 1605 in Leiden/Leydon, >> Netherlands. He died Bet. 17 June 1689 - 10 September 1691. He >> married >> Sarah (UNKNOWN). Their children were: >> >> Rebecca, b. abt. 1635 >> Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 >> Mary, b. abt. 1641 >> John, b. abt. 1644 >> Sarah, b. abt. 1649 >> Elizabeth, b. abt. 1651 >> Aaron, b. abt. 1653 >> >> My line is: >> William Simon, m. Unknown >> Moses Simons/Moses Symonson, Sr., m. Sarah (Unknown) - I have just >> one son >> for William Simonzoon, no John, no Thomas. >> Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 >> Job Simmons, Sr., b. abt. (I have no dates for him), m. Hannah Bishop >> (no >> dates for her) >> Job, Jr., (no dates), m. on 20 October 1742 in Pembroke, Plymouth, >> Massachusetts Abigail Parris, b. 30 November 1725, >> James Griff(is), Sr., b. 29 August 1739, m. on 22 October 1767 in >> Cornwall, >> Connecticut to Hannah Simmons, b. 1746. >> James Griff(es), Jr., b. 19 July 1777, m. Cyntha (Unknown). - the name >> changed to Griffes and stayed that way through myself! >> Orlin Griff(es), m. Susan Stilwell. >> Ensign Beals Griffes, m. Catherine Margaret Little - my >> great-grandparents. >> >> Whoops! For some reason I have Hannah Simmons' death date as "after >> 1758" >> and I do not know how I got that date. A typo on my part? >> >> James Griffis, Sr. and Hannah Simmons had a son James Griffes, Jr., >> b. 30 >> May 1773 and a daughter Sarah Borden Griffes, b. 19 July 1777, so how >> could >> Hannah have died in 1758? She would have been only 12 years old! >> >> Note: James Griffes, Jr. changed the spelling of his last name from >> Griffis >> to Griffes. >> >> I have the book, "History of the Simmons Family" by L.A. Simmons >> (Lorenzo >> Albert Simmons). >> I have read what was written in "The Great Migration Begins." >> I have read the transcription of "History of Bridgewater" by Nahum >> Mitchell. >> William Simonzoon had only one son named Moses, but no son named >> John, and >> no son named Thomas. >> >> History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on >> website >> created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. >> Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html >> >> Just when I think I understand the SIMMONS family, I don't!!! >> >> Oh, and I do have Rebecca married to John Soule, but I have her >> married a >> second time to "Unknown." >> >> Lois (GRIFFES) KORTERING >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret Olson" <olson@shout.net> >> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons >> >> >>> >>>> I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They >>>> are >>>> Moses >>>> Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married >>>> Mercy >>>> Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >>>> interested in John or Moses? >>> >>> I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams >>> for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back >>> then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. >>> >>> Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p >>> 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and >>> Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His >>> marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 >>> December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to >>> John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; >>> John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to >>> Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. >>> >>> Margaret >>> descended from John. > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret and other Simmons descendants. I have read every posting of this latest string about the Simmons family, and it only confuses me further! Have any of you gone on this website of Dale H. Cook? He posted the link a couple of weeks ago: History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on website created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html I do not know of Moses having the middle name of "Williams." I understood that his father was William. Also, there has been no proof that Sarah's surname--be it her maiden name or a former married surname--was CHANDLER. Never has a family been so complicated and misunderstood! I thought I finally got it right. Someone either puts an extra Moses in the line or an extra John, or an extra Job!!! As far as I have been able to understand, William Simonzoon was the first-known Simmons, and he married an unknown woman. As far as I can understand, he had just one son, Moses Simmons, also known as Moyses Symonson or Moses Symonds. He was born "about" 1605 in Leiden/Leydon, Netherlands. He died Bet. 17 June 1689 - 10 September 1691. He married Sarah (UNKNOWN). Their children were: Rebecca, b. abt. 1635 Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 Mary, b. abt. 1641 John, b. abt. 1644 Sarah, b. abt. 1649 Elizabeth, b. abt. 1651 Aaron, b. abt. 1653 My line is: William Simon, m. Unknown Moses Simons/Moses Symonson, Sr., m. Sarah (Unknown) - I have just one son for William Simonzoon, no John, no Thomas. Moses, Jr., b. abt. 1639, m. Patience Barstow, b. abt. 1644 Job Simmons, Sr., b. abt. (I have no dates for him), m. Hannah Bishop (no dates for her) Job, Jr., (no dates), m. on 20 October 1742 in Pembroke, Plymouth, Massachusetts Abigail Parris, b. 30 November 1725, James Griff(is), Sr., b. 29 August 1739, m. on 22 October 1767 in Cornwall, Connecticut to Hannah Simmons, b. 1746. James Griff(es), Jr., b. 19 July 1777, m. Cyntha (Unknown). - the name changed to Griffes and stayed that way through myself! Orlin Griff(es), m. Susan Stilwell. Ensign Beals Griffes, m. Catherine Margaret Little - my great-grandparents. Whoops! For some reason I have Hannah Simmons' death date as "after 1758" and I do not know how I got that date. A typo on my part? James Griffis, Sr. and Hannah Simmons had a son James Griffes, Jr., b. 30 May 1773 and a daughter Sarah Borden Griffes, b. 19 July 1777, so how could Hannah have died in 1758? She would have been only 12 years old! Note: James Griffes, Jr. changed the spelling of his last name from Griffis to Griffes. I have the book, "History of the Simmons Family" by L.A. Simmons (Lorenzo Albert Simmons). I have read what was written in "The Great Migration Begins." I have read the transcription of "History of Bridgewater" by Nahum Mitchell. William Simonzoon had only one son named Moses, but no son named John, and no son named Thomas. History of Bridgewater by Nahum Mitchell, online book transcribed on website created by Cathy Joy Lasselle (CJ) McNew. Revised and maintained since 26-Aug-2002 by Dale H. Cook. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mabridge/mitchell/contents.html Just when I think I understand the SIMMONS family, I don't!!! Oh, and I do have Rebecca married to John Soule, but I have her married a second time to "Unknown." Lois (GRIFFES) KORTERING ----------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Olson" <olson@shout.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Male Simmons > >>I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They are >>Moses >>Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married Mercy >>Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >>interested in John or Moses? > > I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams > for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back > then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. > > Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p > 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and > Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His > marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 > December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to > John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; > John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to > Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. > > Margaret > descended from John. > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>I have 2 sons for Moses Williams Simmons and Sarah Chandler. They are Moses >Simmons who married Patience Barstow and John Simmons who married Mercy >Peabody. Both John and Moses Williams are in my direct line. Are you >interested in John or Moses? I'd be very interested in the source for a middle name of Williams for the first Moses. People rarely had middle names back then. Also, I'd like the source for the name Chandler for Sarah. Moses is listed as Moses Simonson in "The Great Migration Begins" (p 1681) published in 1995. He's also called Symonson and Symons and Simmons, but the middle name is not mentioned there at all. His marriage is listed as "By about 1635 Sarah ___ (and certainly by 13 December 1660 [MD 34:85])." His children are listed as Rebecca m. to John Soule; Moses m. to Patience Barstow; Mary m. to Joseph Alden; John m. to Mercy Pabodie; Sarah m. to James Nash; Elizabeth m. to Richard Dwelly; and Aaron m. to Mary Woodworth. Margaret descended from John.