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Barbara, I understand your concerns and I agree that it is a personal choice. There is no way to guarantee that some future government will not try to make use of the information. But the same can be said for much of the information that we compile as genealogists. In my understanding of the DNA tests for genealogy, there are much better ways of getting the information. Even with your example of adoption. A male would be able to determine his y-DNA and mt-DNA. He could then search the database to find a couple that matched. That assumes that they have had their DNA tested and were actually linked in the database, so that he would know they were a "couple". And assumes that they are not related to the actual parents, admittedly probably unlikely, although I have several cases in my family tree where brothers married sisters. Unless everyone has their DNA results included in the database, it would be impossible to confirm a relationship. I don't know the odds but I suspect that it is not "beyond a reasonable doubt". However a woman looking for her parents only has the mt-DNA to trace as she does not inherit y-DNA from her father. She would thus only find any women who shared her maternal ancestry. I agree that both results would probably narrow down the possible parents but wouldn't it be much easier for the judge to simply order a standard paternity/maternity test which would prove things beyond any doubt? As I mentioned earlier, I have had my DNA tested in the hopes that I will find others who are related. I admit that it would be a shock to find out that my ancestors were not the ones that I have spent so much time documenting. I would be really disappointed if I had to prune off a branch of my pedigree chart. But I know that I have some "non paternal events" in my family tree and they do not bother me. I would be much happier if my DNA tests would actually confirm some of my paper trail. Particularly as the lack of any DNA matches seems to indicate that my recent ancestors are aliens from another planet :-) Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of scanbar Sent: July 25, 2008 9:49 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 Hi Mike, My concern is about privacy. When you stop and think about it, there are so many ways that could pop up in which it could be used for purposes other than honest genealogy. I don't necessarily mean for crime investigation only, but for personal reasons which some people would just as soon not want known. I think of adopted people, who were put up for adoption with the understanding that the natural parents would remain unknown. If an adoptee wanted to push hard enough to find out and had suspicions that certain people were his/her natural parents - could the attorney get permission from a judge to to access the DNA records? Granted there may be medical reasons for wanting to know, and I have very mixed feelings about tracking the natural parents down . Very severe medical problems could occur to them if suddenly they are confronted with such news. Maybe a life is at stake and unbeknownst to them. another may be at stake. Then there may be adoptees who are after money they believe they are entitled to. I get very confused when thinking about the posiblities - there are pros and cons to both. I guess it is up to the individuals involved to make the decisions for themselves. Fortunately, I don't have anything to be worried about but do wonder about what could happen to others. Thanks for the information - I wasn't aware of some of it. Barbara

Hi Mike, My concern is about privacy. When you stop and think about it, there are so many ways that could pop up in which it could be used for purposes other than honest genealogy. I don't necessarily mean for crime investigation only, but for personal reasons which some people would just as soon not want known. I think of adopted people, who were put up for adoption with the understanding that the natural parents would remain unknown. If an adoptee wanted to push hard enough to find out and had suspicions that certain people were his/her natural parents - could the attorney get permission from a judge to to access the DNA records? Granted there may be medical reasons for wanting to know, and I have very mixed feelings about tracking the natural parents down . Very severe medical problems could occur to them if suddenly they are confronted with such news. Maybe a life is at stake and unbeknownst to them. another may be at stake. Then there may be adoptees who are after money they believe they are entitled to. I get very confused when thinking about the posiblities - there are pros and cons to both. I guess it is up to the individuals involved to make the decisions for themselves. Fortunately, I don't have anything to be worried about but do wonder about what could happen to others. Thanks for the information - I wasn't aware of some of it. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <mayflower-request@rootsweb.com> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:08 PM Subject: MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DNA question (scanbar) > 2. Re: DNA question (Mike More) > 3. Re: DNA question (knwill@juno.com) > 4. Re: DNA question (Stuart Perkins) > 5. Re: Mayflower and DNA (Dianna Saario) > 6. Re: Mayflower and DNA (Polly Hall-Burley) > 7. Re: Mayflower and DNA (Dianna Saario) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:45:53 -0400 > From: "scanbar" <scanbar@prodigy.net> > Subject: [MFLR] DNA question > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <53A8BF29BD994FFA989BAFCACBF00BAD@D41760C1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never > get an answer. Maybe this list has one. > > How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go > into an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency > that requests them? What if a judge requests them? > > If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble > on the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get > the DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - > this can wash both ways so the question should be moot. > > I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about > it. > > Thank you > Barbara > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:08:55 -0400 > From: "Mike More" <mikemore@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA question > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003601c8ed9f$31760420$0202fea9@MDG> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > You are confusing the DNA tests for genealogy with those done for other > purposes. They are not the same test. I suppose that a crime lab could use > the same sample for their own testing purposes but that assumes that they > can get the sample and that it has not deteriorated and that the company > has > actually kept it. (I have given two samples: one by scraping the inside of > my mouth and the second by rinsing with a solution). > > Every company claims that they will keep the results confidential. I don't > know if that would hold up in a court of law. But since I have listed mine > on a number of websites in the hopes of finding a cousin, I really don't > worry about it. Why keep it a secret when it is another tool of > genealogists. > > As I said in my earlier message, there are only two types of DNA results > for > genealogy at this time: Y-DNA which males receive from their fathers and > mt-DNA which all children receive from their mothers, but is only passed > down by the daughters. So anyone fining my y-DNA at a crime site could > only > prove that it came from somebody related to me on the male side, i.e. > descended from one of my paternal ancestors. And the ladies don't even > have > to worry about that as you have no y-DNA. And even that is is fairly > loose. > I have now had my y-DNA tested out to 37 markers; I have 357 exact matches > at 25 markers (an earlier test) but none of those are even close at 37 > markers. Similarly, my mt-DNA would be the same as my sisters, their > daughters, grand-daughters, maternal aunts and every other female up my > maternal line. > > If you are contemplating a life of crime, the cops are much more likely to > find you with other means that your genealogical DNA. > > Mike More > mikemore@rogers.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of scanbar > Sent: July 24, 2008 7:46 AM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MFLR] DNA question > > > I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never > get an answer. Maybe this list has one. > > How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go > into > an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency that > requests them? What if a judge requests them? > > If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble > on > the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get > the > DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - this > can wash both ways so the question should be moot. > > I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about > it. > > Thank you > Barbara > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:52:09 -0700 > From: knwill@juno.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA question > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20080724.095213.3608.3.knwill@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > My suggestion is to watch Roots Television on the Internet if you are > able to via your hook up > and watch Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak interview on if she married her > cousin. She explains in detail what will be found and what will not be > found from the "junk DNA" that genealogy companies use for their testing. > I am certain that after listening and possible reading her book, your > mind will be at rest. > > http://www.rootstelevision.com/ > Home page > > http://www.rootstelevision.com/players/player_dna.php?bctid=1370845208 > Specific program. > > > > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:45:53 -0400 "scanbar" <scanbar@prodigy.net> > writes: >> I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but >> never get an answer. Maybe this list has one. >> >> How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they >> go into an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government >> agency that requests them? What if a judge requests them? >> >> If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of >> trouble on the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from >> a judge to get the DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is >> involved in some way - this can wash both ways so the question >> should be moot. >> >> I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think >> about it. >> >> Thank you >> Barbara >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ >> page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You Have 3 New Flings! > 3 people want to have a FLING with you! View Your Flings! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7W5HpZEeU7NewQGshxEaPVKimujaq3Qr7MnWkuMq6Vu3BXf/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:22:27 -0500 > From: Stuart Perkins <stuartperkins@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA question > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1216912947.6459.47.camel@perkins-ubu> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Police have been known to use genealogy DNA to find near relatives, > which have then led to stake-outs and capture of fugitives...so it is > definitely not out of the question...but still not an immediate concern, > even if I were criminally inclined. > > The mtDNA database is a lot newer than the Y-DNA database, and as such > has a lot fewer records. Also, it is not as easy to assume a possible > relationship, as marriage records must be known to identify the surname > of the mother at each generation. I made a "leap of faith" effort at a > match to a 5th cousin, once removed, that would not have been made if we > didn't carry the same surname. Obviously, at least a rumor of a > relationship has to exist to make the surname jumps at every generation > needed to follow an mtDNA chain, so I doubt that that particular > database will grow to near the Y-DNA databases size anytime soon. > - > Stuart Perkins > stuartperkins@usa.net > > > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:08 -0400, Mike More wrote: >> You are confusing the DNA tests for genealogy with those done for other >> purposes. They are not the same test. I suppose that a crime lab could >> use >> the same sample for their own testing purposes but that assumes that they >> can get the sample and that it has not deteriorated and that the company >> has >> actually kept it. (I have given two samples: one by scraping the inside >> of >> my mouth and the second by rinsing with a solution). >> >> Every company claims that they will keep the results confidential. I >> don't >> know if that would hold up in a court of law. But since I have listed >> mine >> on a number of websites in the hopes of finding a cousin, I really don't >> worry about it. Why keep it a secret when it is another tool of >> genealogists. >> >> As I said in my earlier message, there are only two types of DNA results >> for >> genealogy at this time: Y-DNA which males receive from their fathers and >> mt-DNA which all children receive from their mothers, but is only passed >> down by the daughters. So anyone fining my y-DNA at a crime site could >> only >> prove that it came from somebody related to me on the male side, i.e. >> descended from one of my paternal ancestors. And the ladies don't even >> have >> to worry about that as you have no y-DNA. And even that is is fairly >> loose. >> I have now had my y-DNA tested out to 37 markers; I have 357 exact >> matches >> at 25 markers (an earlier test) but none of those are even close at 37 >> markers. Similarly, my mt-DNA would be the same as my sisters, their >> daughters, grand-daughters, maternal aunts and every other female up my >> maternal line. >> >> If you are contemplating a life of crime, the cops are much more likely >> to >> find you with other means that your genealogical DNA. >> >> Mike More >> mikemore@rogers.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of scanbar >> Sent: July 24, 2008 7:46 AM >> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MFLR] DNA question >> >> >> I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never >> get an answer. Maybe this list has one. >> >> How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go >> into >> an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency that >> requests them? What if a judge requests them? >> >> If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble >> on >> the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get >> the >> DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - >> this >> can wash both ways so the question should be moot. >> >> I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about >> it. >> >> Thank you >> Barbara >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page >> for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page >> for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:04:11 -0700 > From: "Dianna Saario" <dsaario@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00d701c8edc0$0f5aece0$6401a8c0@DiggingUpRoots> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the 10th > generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the 10th > generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was > viable. > So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds up. > Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane > Cooke > is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If interested > let > me know.. > > Dianna Saario > Francis Cooke Society > Membership Chairwoman > 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler > 1449 E. Vassar Dr. > Visalia, CA 93292 > dsaario@comcast.net > http://franciscookesociety.org > 11th generation from Francis Cooke. > ************ > Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer > Mayflower Society of CA Descendents > San Joaquin Colony > ************* > Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, > Rogers, > Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:16:43 -0600 > From: Polly Hall-Burley <phburley@mac.com> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0cacb5de3d76720b38032af76c3f8f35@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Diana, > > Which Robert Soule? > > I'm also descended through George Soule and have a cousin, Robert - who > lives in Michigan. I'd be interested to know if it's the same Robert > Soule as I'll be up there in a few weeks. > > Regards, > > Polly Hall-Burley > > On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > >> Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the >> 10th >> generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the >> 10th >> generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was >> viable. >> So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds >> up. >> Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane >> Cooke >> is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If >> interested let >> me know.. >> >> Dianna Saario >> Francis Cooke Society >> Membership Chairwoman >> 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler >> 1449 E. Vassar Dr. >> Visalia, CA 93292 >> dsaario@comcast.net >> http://franciscookesociety.org >> 11th generation from Francis Cooke. >> ************ >> Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer >> Mayflower Society of CA Descendents >> San Joaquin Colony >> ************* >> Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, >> Rogers, >> Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) >> >> >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ >> page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:09:53 -0700 > From: "Dianna Saario" <dsaario@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000e01c8edfb$87c29670$6401a8c0@DiggingUpRoots> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > No, this Robert Soule lives in Fresno, CA.. You can tell him I would love > to see his genealogy line. If you want to talk to him, let me know and > I'll > check with him. He is having some problems remembering, but not the stuff > that happened long ago. Our Soule's came from MA to OH his family went > to > OR then CA and mine went to IL to CA. > My great grandmother's name was Georgie(a) May Soule, she married Charles > Hurdle in IL.. It is a great story.... > > Dianna > Digging Up Roots > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Polly Hall-Burley > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:17 PM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA > > Diana, > > Which Robert Soule? > > I'm also descended through George Soule and have a cousin, Robert - who > lives in Michigan. I'd be interested to know if it's the same Robert > Soule as I'll be up there in a few weeks. > > Regards, > > Polly Hall-Burley > > On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > >> Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the >> 10th >> generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the >> 10th >> generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was >> viable. >> So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds >> up. >> Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane >> Cooke >> is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If >> interested let >> me know.. >> >> Dianna Saario >> Francis Cooke Society >> Membership Chairwoman >> 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler >> 1449 E. Vassar Dr. >> Visalia, CA 93292 >> dsaario@comcast.net >> http://franciscookesociety.org >> 11th generation from Francis Cooke. >> ************ >> Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer >> Mayflower Society of CA Descendents >> San Joaquin Colony >> ************* >> Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, >> Rogers, >> Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) >> >> >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ >> page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MAYFLOWER list administrator, send an email to > MAYFLOWER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MAYFLOWER mailing list, send an email to > MAYFLOWER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 > *****************************************

All DNA is not created equal. The DNA used for criminal identification or genetic medical disease issues is not the same DNA used for genealogy research. Genealogy DNA is often referred to as "junk DNA" or noncoding DNA that serves no understood purpose in todays world. At one point the Bush administration it was announced that they were drawing up a bill to present to congress to use genealogy DNA databases for use in criminal investigations. Oops! It created quite a buzz in the scientific world and was quite embarrassing to the administration that they didn't realize that the genealogy DNA wasn't the same as coding DNA. Stefanie

I was told this concern was simply avoided by putting an alias you know on the sample package sent. As really you are the only one that knows whose DNA you are sending in. I'm not criminally minded and already have low level security clearance form work with FEMA but still its what can be used in the future and the fact I think there are many possible uses that aren't covered under current laws that can rightly scare one. Unfortunatly I think to get through one family line DNA is going to be the only way to have a shot as I've hit the great wall of Kentucky/Tennessee on my surname. There's plenty out there but one one connects to me though any known paper lines and even some have tried while working on expanded trees and still get stopped. Ernie On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, scanbar <scanbar@prodigy.net> wrote: > I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never > get an answer. Maybe this list has one. > > How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go into > an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency that > requests them? What if a judge requests them? > > If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble on > the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get the > DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - this > can wash both ways so the question should be moot. > > I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about > it. > > Thank you > Barbara > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ernest Everett Blevins, MFA • Blevins Historical Research 110 Evergreen Way • Villa Rica, Georgia 30180 blevins@alumni.cofc.edu • 770-456-1876 Historic Preservation Consultant -- Historical and Architectural Research -- Genealogical (Family) Research -- Preservation Planning and Documentation -- House History Member: American Planning Association, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Sons of the American Revolution, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Sons of Union Veterans, and member of numerous other lineage and heritage societies.

One of my customers at another company I worked for was an Alan Soule living out of Cotati (Santa Rosa) On 7/24/08, Dianna Saario <dsaario@comcast.net> wrote: > > No, this Robert Soule lives in Fresno, CA.. You can tell him I would love > to see his genealogy line. If you want to talk to him, let me know and > I'll > check with him. He is having some problems remembering, but not the stuff > that happened long ago. Our Soule's came from MA to OH his family went to > OR then CA and mine went to IL to CA. > My great grandmother's name was Georgie(a) May Soule, she married Charles > Hurdle in IL.. It is a great story.... > > Dianna > Digging Up Roots > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Polly Hall-Burley > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:17 PM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA > > Diana, > > Which Robert Soule? > > I'm also descended through George Soule and have a cousin, Robert - who > lives in Michigan. I'd be interested to know if it's the same Robert > Soule as I'll be up there in a few weeks. > > Regards, > > Polly Hall-Burley > > On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > > > Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the > > 10th > > generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the > > 10th > > generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was > > viable. > > So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds > > up. > > Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane > > Cooke > > is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If > > interested let > > me know.. > > > > Dianna Saario > > Francis Cooke Society > > Membership Chairwoman > > 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler > > 1449 E. Vassar Dr. > > Visalia, CA 93292 > > dsaario@comcast.net > > http://franciscookesociety.org > > 11th generation from Francis Cooke. > > ************ > > Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer > > Mayflower Society of CA Descendents > > San Joaquin Colony > > ************* > > Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, > > Rogers, > > Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) > > > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Alan Portland, Oregon http://alanonthe3rdstone.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/onthe3rdstone/ http://onthe3rdstonerandomness.blogspot.com/

Diana, Let's take this off-list - my email is phburley@mac.com On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > No, this Robert Soule lives in Fresno, CA.. You can tell him I would > love > to see his genealogy line. If you want to talk to him, let me know > and I'll > check with him. He is having some problems remembering, but not the > stuff > that happened long ago. Our Soule's came from MA to OH his family > went to > OR then CA and mine went to IL to CA. > My great grandmother's name was Georgie(a) May Soule, she married > Charles > Hurdle in IL.. It is a great story.... > > Dianna > Digging Up Roots > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Polly Hall-Burley > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:17 PM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA > > Diana, > > Which Robert Soule? > > I'm also descended through George Soule and have a cousin, Robert - who > lives in Michigan. I'd be interested to know if it's the same Robert > Soule as I'll be up there in a few weeks. > > Regards, > > Polly Hall-Burley > > On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > >> Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the >> 10th >> generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the >> 10th >> generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was >> viable. >> So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds >> up. >> Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane >> Cooke >> is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If >> interested let >> me know.. >> >> Dianna Saario >> Francis Cooke Society >> Membership Chairwoman >> 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler >> 1449 E. Vassar Dr. >> Visalia, CA 93292 >> dsaario@comcast.net >> http://franciscookesociety.org >> 11th generation from Francis Cooke. >> ************ >> Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer >> Mayflower Society of CA Descendents >> San Joaquin Colony >> ************* >> Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, >> Rogers, >> Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) >> >> >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ >> page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, this Robert Soule lives in Fresno, CA.. You can tell him I would love to see his genealogy line. If you want to talk to him, let me know and I'll check with him. He is having some problems remembering, but not the stuff that happened long ago. Our Soule's came from MA to OH his family went to OR then CA and mine went to IL to CA. My great grandmother's name was Georgie(a) May Soule, she married Charles Hurdle in IL.. It is a great story.... Dianna Digging Up Roots -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Polly Hall-Burley Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:17 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower and DNA Diana, Which Robert Soule? I'm also descended through George Soule and have a cousin, Robert - who lives in Michigan. I'd be interested to know if it's the same Robert Soule as I'll be up there in a few weeks. Regards, Polly Hall-Burley On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the > 10th > generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the > 10th > generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was > viable. > So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds > up. > Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane > Cooke > is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If > interested let > me know.. > > Dianna Saario > Francis Cooke Society > Membership Chairwoman > 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler > 1449 E. Vassar Dr. > Visalia, CA 93292 > dsaario@comcast.net > http://franciscookesociety.org > 11th generation from Francis Cooke. > ************ > Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer > Mayflower Society of CA Descendents > San Joaquin Colony > ************* > Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, > Rogers, > Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diana, Which Robert Soule? I'm also descended through George Soule and have a cousin, Robert - who lives in Michigan. I'd be interested to know if it's the same Robert Soule as I'll be up there in a few weeks. Regards, Polly Hall-Burley On Jul 24, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Dianna Saario wrote: > Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the > 10th > generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the > 10th > generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was > viable. > So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds > up. > Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane > Cooke > is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If > interested let > me know.. > > Dianna Saario > Francis Cooke Society > Membership Chairwoman > 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler > 1449 E. Vassar Dr. > Visalia, CA 93292 > dsaario@comcast.net > http://franciscookesociety.org > 11th generation from Francis Cooke. > ************ > Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer > Mayflower Society of CA Descendents > San Joaquin Colony > ************* > Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, > Rogers, > Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren) > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently a cousin of mine Robert Soule was tested for DNA, he is the 10th generation from George Soule. He was a match, which proves that the 10th generation holds up. The thinking was that only 9th generation was viable. So now his sons are being tested to see how the 11th generation holds up. Exciting information is out there. I also know that testing for Jane Cooke is now being gathered via the mt-DNA mother to daughter. If interested let me know.. Dianna Saario Francis Cooke Society Membership Chairwoman 6th & 7th Francis Cooke Generations Project Compiler 1449 E. Vassar Dr. Visalia, CA 93292 dsaario@comcast.net http://franciscookesociety.org 11th generation from Francis Cooke. ************ Registrar, Historian and Past Treasurer Mayflower Society of CA Descendents San Joaquin Colony ************* Alden (Mullins), Allerton, Brewster, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Priest, Rogers, Soule, Standish, (posssible Warren)

You are confusing the DNA tests for genealogy with those done for other purposes. They are not the same test. I suppose that a crime lab could use the same sample for their own testing purposes but that assumes that they can get the sample and that it has not deteriorated and that the company has actually kept it. (I have given two samples: one by scraping the inside of my mouth and the second by rinsing with a solution). Every company claims that they will keep the results confidential. I don't know if that would hold up in a court of law. But since I have listed mine on a number of websites in the hopes of finding a cousin, I really don't worry about it. Why keep it a secret when it is another tool of genealogists. As I said in my earlier message, there are only two types of DNA results for genealogy at this time: Y-DNA which males receive from their fathers and mt-DNA which all children receive from their mothers, but is only passed down by the daughters. So anyone fining my y-DNA at a crime site could only prove that it came from somebody related to me on the male side, i.e. descended from one of my paternal ancestors. And the ladies don't even have to worry about that as you have no y-DNA. And even that is is fairly loose. I have now had my y-DNA tested out to 37 markers; I have 357 exact matches at 25 markers (an earlier test) but none of those are even close at 37 markers. Similarly, my mt-DNA would be the same as my sisters, their daughters, grand-daughters, maternal aunts and every other female up my maternal line. If you are contemplating a life of crime, the cops are much more likely to find you with other means that your genealogical DNA. Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of scanbar Sent: July 24, 2008 7:46 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] DNA question I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never get an answer. Maybe this list has one. How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go into an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency that requests them? What if a judge requests them? If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble on the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get the DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - this can wash both ways so the question should be moot. I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about it. Thank you Barbara Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Police have been known to use genealogy DNA to find near relatives, which have then led to stake-outs and capture of fugitives...so it is definitely not out of the question...but still not an immediate concern, even if I were criminally inclined. The mtDNA database is a lot newer than the Y-DNA database, and as such has a lot fewer records. Also, it is not as easy to assume a possible relationship, as marriage records must be known to identify the surname of the mother at each generation. I made a "leap of faith" effort at a match to a 5th cousin, once removed, that would not have been made if we didn't carry the same surname. Obviously, at least a rumor of a relationship has to exist to make the surname jumps at every generation needed to follow an mtDNA chain, so I doubt that that particular database will grow to near the Y-DNA databases size anytime soon. - Stuart Perkins stuartperkins@usa.net On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:08 -0400, Mike More wrote: > You are confusing the DNA tests for genealogy with those done for other > purposes. They are not the same test. I suppose that a crime lab could use > the same sample for their own testing purposes but that assumes that they > can get the sample and that it has not deteriorated and that the company has > actually kept it. (I have given two samples: one by scraping the inside of > my mouth and the second by rinsing with a solution). > > Every company claims that they will keep the results confidential. I don't > know if that would hold up in a court of law. But since I have listed mine > on a number of websites in the hopes of finding a cousin, I really don't > worry about it. Why keep it a secret when it is another tool of > genealogists. > > As I said in my earlier message, there are only two types of DNA results for > genealogy at this time: Y-DNA which males receive from their fathers and > mt-DNA which all children receive from their mothers, but is only passed > down by the daughters. So anyone fining my y-DNA at a crime site could only > prove that it came from somebody related to me on the male side, i.e. > descended from one of my paternal ancestors. And the ladies don't even have > to worry about that as you have no y-DNA. And even that is is fairly loose. > I have now had my y-DNA tested out to 37 markers; I have 357 exact matches > at 25 markers (an earlier test) but none of those are even close at 37 > markers. Similarly, my mt-DNA would be the same as my sisters, their > daughters, grand-daughters, maternal aunts and every other female up my > maternal line. > > If you are contemplating a life of crime, the cops are much more likely to > find you with other means that your genealogical DNA. > > Mike More > mikemore@rogers.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of scanbar > Sent: July 24, 2008 7:46 AM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MFLR] DNA question > > > I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never > get an answer. Maybe this list has one. > > How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go into > an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency that > requests them? What if a judge requests them? > > If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble on > the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get the > DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - this > can wash both ways so the question should be moot. > > I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about it. > > Thank you > Barbara > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My suggestion is to watch Roots Television on the Internet if you are able to via your hook up and watch Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak interview on if she married her cousin. She explains in detail what will be found and what will not be found from the "junk DNA" that genealogy companies use for their testing. I am certain that after listening and possible reading her book, your mind will be at rest. http://www.rootstelevision.com/ Home page http://www.rootstelevision.com/players/player_dna.php?bctid=1370845208 Specific program. On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:45:53 -0400 "scanbar" <scanbar@prodigy.net> writes: > I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but > never get an answer. Maybe this list has one. > > How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they > go into an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government > agency that requests them? What if a judge requests them? > > If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of > trouble on the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from > a judge to get the DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is > involved in some way - this can wash both ways so the question > should be moot. > > I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think > about it. > > Thank you > Barbara > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ You Have 3 New Flings! 3 people want to have a FLING with you! View Your Flings! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7W5HpZEeU7NewQGshxEaPVKimujaq3Qr7MnWkuMq6Vu3BXf/

I have been trying to find the answer to the following question but never get an answer. Maybe this list has one. How available are the DNA results to others? Specifically, do they go into an national DNA bank or are they avaiable to any government agency that requests them? What if a judge requests them? If all of the above are answered, yes, I can see a great deal of trouble on the hoizon. What if an adopted child gets an order from a judge to get the DNA for whatever purposes? What if a crime is involved in some way - this can wash both ways so the question should be moot. I could expand upon this but leave it to the listers to just think about it. Thank you Barbara

The Mayflower Quarterly 72 [June 2006]:125-6 contains an article by Historian General Ann Lainhart which discusses the use of DNA in proving a lineage for membership. The article states that as of 2006, one line had been approved based largely on DNA results. The line is thru John5 Hawes, the son of John Hawes4 (Desire Gorham3, Desire2 Howland, John1) <Howland 1:38-39>. He apparently disappeared from Rhode Island records about the same time as a John Hawes "born in Providence" showed up in North Carolina. A Y-line test was compared between a male descendant of John5 of North Carolina and a male descendant of John & Desire (Gorham3) Hawes of New England. "The results were around 90% that they shared a common ancestor in the last 300 to 400 years". The same issue of MQ contains a some interesting articles on Mayflower DNA (pages 117-132 for those who wish to get copies). Susan E. Roser (We had a storm go thru the Toronto area today and my server has been down for awhile - heaven knows when this message will get sent) www.friendsofthepilgrims.com www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

"Notice and Opportunity"... Marriage is more than marriage, it is a merger of estates. When property ownership was the defining factor in social status, such a merger needed to be open to public opportunity for objection in order to prevent fraud in an effort to gain property. The vows to this day still end with "Is there anyone present here who knows any reason why these two should not be joined..." The marriage license places the burden of verification that no such reason exists on the state, and is a license to violate the notice and opportunity laws, not a "license to marry". I have a friend who married legally without "license" by fulfilling the notice and opportunity laws of his jurisdiction, but that is a discussion for another forum. Knowing it exists helps interpret what seem to be obscure abbreviations in old documents. - Stuart Perkins stuartperkins@usa.net On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 19:28 -0400, Dale H. Cook wrote: > At 06:25 PM 7/19/2008, John wrote: > > >m. int. Rochester, MA ; Int 30 Nov 1755; Rochester VR 2: 268 > > > >Anyone know what "int" means? > > Ii stands for "intention of marriage." Massachusetts couples have > always had to declare their intent to marry in advance of the > wedding. In early times that was done by having it announced from the > pulpit three Sundays in a row, or by posting written notice in a > public place such as the town common, or by recording the intention > with the Town Clerk as was undoubtedly done in this case. Nowadays > the intention is accomplished by both prospective spouses filling out > a marriage intention form and paying a fee at the City or Town Hall > of the municipality where they intend to wed. The marriage license > can be issued on the fourth day after the intention is executed. > > >are Rochester Vital Records published in available volumes 1, 2, etc.? > > Rochester VR was published in two volumes, births in the first, > marriages and deaths in the second. > > >What about: Tingley 434. I assume page 434 of something. > > Here are some possibilities: > > Marian McCauley Frye, "The Tingley Family Revised: Being a Record of > the Descendants of Samuel Tingley of Malden, Mass. In Both the Male > and Female Lines (-1666)," 6 Vols. (Ann Arbor, MI: The Author, 1970-1988) > > Raymon Meyers Tingley, "The Tingley Family: Being a Record of the > Descendants of Samuel Tingley of Malden, Mass. in Both the Male and > Female Lines" (Rutland, VT.: Tuttle Publishing Co., 1910). > > Raymon Meyers Tingley, "Some Ancestral Lines: Being a Record of Some > of the Ancestors of Guilford Solon Tingley and His Wife, Martha > Pamelia Meyers" (Rutland, VT.: Tuttle Publishing Co., 1935). > > George A. Tingley and Orval C. Tingley, "The Tingley Genealogy Dated > from 1666" (No location or publisher, 1938?) > > Witter Kinney Tingley, "Obituaries: George Robert Harris, M.D., > Norwich" (New Haven, CT: S. Converse, 1910) > > Witter Kinney Tingley, "Obituaries: Patrick Henry Harriman, M.D., > Norwich" (New Haven, CT: S. Converse, 1912) > > The context of the citation might indicate which of those it is. > > >Burlington Co., NJ PR w/#51196. > > Burlington County, New Jersey, Probate File #51196. > > >Will the society provide the full references upon request? > > I expect that the HG might clarify the obscure ones, such as > "Tingley." Experienced researchers have no problems resolving most of > the reference abbreviations in applications. > > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project > Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Give your kids a head start with a great educational toy. Click now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nczdmLdP7HUk2QKsTD5fnjj5DlanrxMvHTA17WplVHP9vdT/ > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Katherine, for that real world, BUT previously unknown, prior to DNA testing, genetic distinction for the Samuel FULLER line. This website may be useful for explaining the uses of DNA testing in genealogy: http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/ Bill VH ***************************************** Message: 6 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:45:05 -0700 From: Katherine Hope Borges <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA and Application Process To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Hi Sherrye, In some cases, albeit rare, Y-DNA CAN identify a specific ancestor, as it does with Samuel Fuller's line. His line has a rare mutation, DYS 393=12 where his brother Edward, and his cousins, have a DYS 393=13. I do not know whether Dr. Samuel himself had this mutation, but can tell you with 100% certainty that his son, Samuel did because he passed it on to his sons. http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/mayflowerfullersdnaproject.htm Kind regards, Katherine Hope Borges

True but for genealogy, we are not testing the entire DNA of individuals. Most of you may know this but fathers pass their Y-DNA to their sons, while mothers pass their mtDNA to both children...but only the daughter will pass it on to their children. Thus we have a chain if Y-DNA passed down the paternal line and a chain of mtDNA passed down the maternal line. The rate of mutations is fairly well known for both, so it is possible to estimate the number of generations back to a common ancestor. With sufficient markers tested (Y-DNA), the number of matches can determine how close two males are related. Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce & Bill Manuel Sent: July 21, 2008 4:21 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA and Application Process DNA may be close but will never be the same except in the case of identical twins. Joyce On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:47:16 EDT SherryeW@aol.com writes: > I don't believe DNA can ever replace the paper lineage, mainly > because (at > this point) it cannot prove you are descended from a specific > individual. For > example male Howland descendants of John Howland would have the same > or > similar DNA results as those of Arthur Howland because they are > brothers. One is > a Mayflower line and one is not. I believe they are accepting (or > soon will > be) DNA results in addition to paper lineages, to be used as > confirmation the > paper lineage is genetically correct. > > Sherrye > > In a message dated 7/21/2008 3:01:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mayflower-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Dna is irrefutable evidence for establishing the male Y line > carrier > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up > for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Southern Heart Ranch www.southernheartranch.com Herd Reduction Sale AMHA-AMHR AMHR Broodmares-Young Mares-Colts-Stallions-Geldings All ages and sizes Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is important to know that true brothers do not have the same DNA; because if they did they would be maternal twins. But for purposes of estabdishing paternity, the son and father are types and the Y Chromosome markers are compared. If a certain number of markers match, then it is deemed to be a 99% probable match. You would test another brother sibling and should also see the same specific markers that match, yet the complete DNA strand is still different as a whole. Joyce On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:37:38 -0700 Katherine Hope Borges <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> writes: > > Not necessarily...: > > http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/12030670208676 0.xml&coll=2 > > > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:20:44 -0500 > > From: southern_heart_ranch@juno.com > > Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA and Application Process > > > > DNA may be close but will never be the same except in the case > of > > identical twins. > > Joyce > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Stop foreclosure. Click here to stay in your home and rebuild credit. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3meXxV1kxepbpyfxydoeXn1whENmzZy2toTQvc8KnOeGFLMx/

I think one thing to keep in mind is that the DNA isn't necessarily being used to connect necessarily to the Mayflower passenger but might be a weak link in the lineage that can be firmed up by a DNA to that generation where documentation is muddled or non existant. If its known only one member left Mass for say Kentucky and legend but no paperwrok say that the Kentucky settler came from Mass then it can be a tool to link the fmaily if a known paper line say exists in Massachusetts to compare with. Ernie On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Katherine Hope Borges <kvjjmmborges@msn.com> wrote: > > Hi Sherrye, > > In some cases, albeit rare, Y-DNA CAN identify a specific ancestor, as it > does with Samuel Fuller's line. His line has a rare mutation, DYS 393=12 > where his brother Edward, and his cousins, have a DYS 393=13. I do not know > whether Dr. Samuel himself had this mutation, but can tell you with 100% > certainty that his son, Samuel did > because he passed it on to his sons. > > http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/mayflowerfullersdnaproject.htm > > Kind regards, > Katherine Hope Borges > Fuller DNA Project Administrator > > > From: SherryeW@aol.com > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:47:16 -0400 > > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MFLR] DNA and Application Process > > > > I don't believe DNA can ever replace the paper lineage, mainly because > (at > > this point) it cannot prove you are descended from a specific individual. > For > > example male Howland descendants of John Howland would have the same or > > similar DNA results as those of Arthur Howland because they are brothers. > One is > > a Mayflower line and one is not. I believe they are accepting (or soon > will > > be) DNA results in addition to paper lineages, to be used as > confirmation the > > paper lineage is genetically correct. > > > > Sherrye > > > > In a message dated 7/21/2008 3:01:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > mayflower-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > Dna is irrefutable evidence for establishing the male Y line carrier > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ernest Everett Blevins, MFA • Blevins Historical Research 110 Evergreen Way • Villa Rica, Georgia 30180 blevins@alumni.cofc.edu • 770-456-1876 Historic Preservation Consultant -- Historical and Architectural Research -- Genealogical (Family) Research -- Preservation Planning and Documentation -- House History Member: American Planning Association, New England Historic Genealogical Society, Sons of the American Revolution, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Sons of Union Veterans, and member of numerous other lineage and heritage societies.