Hello All, Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross. I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross, Phoebe Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gross, Phoebe Gross Perkins, Phoebe Gorse, Phoebe Gorse Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gorse, etc. She is a descendant of Stephen Hopkins through Constance, Mary Snow, Thomas Paine, Lydia Paine, Lydia Hinckley. I also want to make sure I have her b,m,d dates accurate. And if she did indeed marry William LaMont, Sr. I'm relatively new to genealogy, and applying for membership to the General Society of Mayflower Descendants. If anyone has any advice I would love to have it. Thank you so much for any help you can give me. Jennifer Hoernig - Marysville, WA _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

At 09:57 AM 9/22/2008, Len Keane wrote: >I'm still concerned about the >difference of about 23 years between the births of Thomas BONNEY, Jr. about >1641 and John BONNEY about 1664. Please re-read my message from 15-Sep-2008, where I gave the estimated birth year of Thomas as 1659. >If the 1604 birth year is correct, then the assumed 2nd wife would be about >60 years old when John BONNEY was born. Possibly the "1604" is a typo? Again, please re-read my message of 15-Sep-2008. There are no contemporary records to support two wives for Thomas. Also note that "1604" is a guess for the father's birth year - since Thomas was admitted an inhabitant of Charlestown in 1635, he was probably born by 1614. If he was born about 1614, and his first child, Mary, was born about 1655, he would have married late, at around 40, and so his wife Mary would likely have been much younger than he was. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for free quote on home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3dDFh4yVv5UVfzVyuPW9dsJTXTLdI40Z55NUONbWYdDnn/

Thanks to those who responded to my request. I'm still concerned about the difference of about 23 years between the births of Thomas BONNEY, Jr. about 1641 and John BONNEY about 1664. Dale Cook reported: <He married (1) MARY TERRY Abt. 1635. He married (2) MARY HUNT Abt. 1650. She was born 1604". <The assumption of two wives for Thomas is based solely upon the account of Perez Bonney, partly printed in Charles L. Bonney, "The Bonney Family," 2nd Edition (Chicago: Chicago Legal News Co., 1898). There is no confirmation for that assumption. All that can be firmly stated is that Thomas had a wife named Mary, whom he named in his will [Ply. Co. Probate & MD, op. cit.].> <If the 1604 birth year is correct, then the assumed 2nd wife would be about 60 years old when John BONNEY was born. Possibly the "1604" is a typo? Len **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

The Abraham Sampson Descendants Report on www.PilgrimHenrySamsonKindred.org <http://www.pilgrimhenrysamsonkindred.org/> was updated on 15 Sep 2008. It now consists of 1,478 pages of which 1,293 are text and 185 are a two-column All Name Index with dates when known. Some lines are continued right up to deaths that occurred in 2007. Perhaps of interest is that the Index has 2,024 Sampson surnames, 306 Henry Samson surnames (Henry's descendants appear only when lines merge with Abraham's descendants), 589 Delanos, 432 Soules, 388 Howlands (many of Pilgrim John's brother Henry), 111 Fullers, 103 Bradfords. There are also a large number of Chandlers and other surnames. You might wish to check the Index to see if one of your ancestors appears. Due to the length, I suggest you only download but not print it in its entirety. Remember: it is a "work in progress" and changes daily due to additions and corrections. Contributions of readers' Abraham Sampson lines are appreciated. Stacy B. C. Wood, Jr. Compiler, PHSK

At 09:11 AM 9/15/2008, Christie Trapp wrote: >Now, you say that John was born with a specific date and you state >it took place in Duxbury.? What does the Duxbury Vital Records have >to say about his parentage? Christie - The first Bonney birth in Duxbury VR is from 1843. :-) Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Win the battle of the bulge with great liposuction solutions. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nELSgg8BgylEK0ga7TYSZhNV8Bz2YV6HSqyWn62YUyv0lx7/

I'm going to jump in here and point out that Thomas Bonney, Jr. who married Dorcas Sampson was born before 1660 as I have it in my records.? I believe my date to be based on the fact that I have a first born child born about 1680.? So based on that, their marriage would have taken place before 1680 and if you subtract an estimated age of perhaps 20 at the time of their marriage, that would put them to be born about 1660.? If the John that you are looking for was born about 1683, then that would, in most likely cases, as Dale Cook suggested, make them brothers, not father-son. You might want to check the Mayflower silver book vol. 20 at about page 6.? I think I had originally had a year of marriage to be before 24 Dec 1684, but given the fact that I also have a child born in 1680, there is no way, at that time period, that two children would be born before they got married.? Today's society, yeah, possible, but back then, not likely.? They would have been brought up on fornicating charges and brought to bear in the public eye.? Therefore, based on this early date of birth for one of the three children I have in my database for this couple, I just changed my marriage info, since it is only an approximation date and therefore Thomas Bonney and Dorcas would have been born around 1660 if they were 20 at the time of the marriage event. Of course, locating a birth record or the marriage record for this couple is necessary to prove the marriage and finding a birth record would be really, really nice too! Now, you say that John was born with a specific date and you state it took place in Duxbury.? What does the Duxbury Vital Records have to say about his parentage?? Does the VR provide the double date, or did you just make the assumption that it should be a double date? Christie Trapp From: T0Leo@aol.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] JOHN Bonney - Was he son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON? To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d4a.3bb6c7a2.35fee43f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was just reviewing the Sampson Web site and noticed that they do not show John Bonney, b. 25 Feb 1663/64 in Duxbury, d. 16 Nov 1745 in Pembroke as being a son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON, dau. of Henry SAMPSON of the "Mayflower". If John Bonney was not their son, who were his parents? Thanks, Len Keaney, Jr.

At 10:15 PM 9/14/2008, Lois Kortering wrote: > 1. THOMAS1 BONNEY was born Abt. 1604 in Clerkenwell, Middlesex Co., >England, and died 1693 in Duxbury, Plymouth County, Massachusets. The place of his birth is not known, although it was almost certainly England, as he was a passenger in the Hercules in 1635 [NEHGR 75:219]. The estimate of 1604 for a birth year appears in Richard Whiting Bonney, "The Thomas Bonney Genealogy" (Needham, MA: The Author, 1983), but I have never seen any support for that assumption. The place and year of his death are not known. He died between 02-Jan-1688/89, when he signed his will, and 01-May-1693, when it was proved [Plymouth Co. Probate 1:146, Docket #2279; MD 34:182]. He was "Liveing in Duxburrough" when he signed his will [ibid.] so he probably died there. >He married (1) MARY TERRY Abt. 1635. He married (2) MARY HUNT Abt. 1650. >She was born 1604. The assumption of two wives for Thomas is based solely upon the account of Perez Bonney, partly printed in Charles L. Bonney, "The Bonney Family," 2nd Edition (Chicago: Chicago Legal News Co., 1898). There is no confirmation for that assumption. All that can be firmly stated is that Thomas had a wife named Mary, whom he named in his will [Ply. Co. Probate & MD, op. cit.]. >Children of THOMAS BONNEY and MARY HUNT are: > > i. THOMAS2 BONNEY, b. 1640. Thomas and Mary (___) Bonney had as many as eight children, shown in Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr. and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, "The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England 1634-1635," Vol. I: A-B (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), pp. 341-342. The estimated years of birth for the children, as given in that work and below, are based upon events such as marriage dates and births of first children. Only in the cases of John and James do we have ages at death, yielding firmer estimates for the birth years of both. 1) Mary, born about 1655 2) Thomas, born about 1659 3) Sarah, born about 1660 (but note that Perez Bonney is the only authority for her as a child of this couple) 4) Hannah, born about 1663 5) John, born about 1664 6) William, born about 1668 7) James, born about 1672 (died 24-Jan-1723/24, a. 52, Pembroke VR 390) 8) Joseph, born about 1674 >2. JOHN2 BONNEY (THOMAS1) was born 1642. He died at Pembroke 16-Nov-1745, aged 81 [Pembroke VR 390, citing a Bonney family private record], so he was born about 1664. >He married ELIZABETH BISHOP, >daughter of JAMES BISHOP and MARY HUDSON. I am not certain that the surname of Mary, wife of James Bishop, was Hudson. I will look into it. >Child of JOHN BONNEY and ELIZABETH BISHOP is: > >3. i. RUTH3 BONNEY, b. 07 February 1699/00, >Pembroke, Plymouth County, Massachusetts. That is correct [Pembroke VR 45] but I have nothing further on this line. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnkl6XOKwTZuO8FndRP7kj3O1UtultoQPtg53XtBe9Mekd/

Dale H. Cook, I am glad that you jumped in here, because I am still confused about the Bonney family. I do not even have Dorcas (Sampson) Bonney on my tree, but I have wondered where she fits with my Bonney family. You responded to Len Keane just now with this: > John was not the son of Dorcas (Sampson) Bonney - he was her > brother-in-law, younger brother to Thomas, and son of immigrant > Thomas Bonney and wife Mary (___). I have this (below) on my family tree, and I had to put my sources in the notes, because at the time, I did not know how to enter them, correctly, but I see that I have different dates for this John Bonny. and I have both sons, Thomas and John, as the sons of Thomas' wife Mary Hunt, when I guess they must be the sons of Mary Terry. The marriage date I have for Thomas Bonney and Mary Hunt appears to be 1650, but the two sons, Thomas and John, were born in 1640 and 1642. Of course, Abigail Parris, daughter of Samuel Parris and Ruth Bonney, married Job Simmons, Jr, which is an important line in my family tree. It looks like I have some work to do to figure out where I got the names of Thomas Bonney's two wives and which one he married first! Descendants of Thomas Bonney Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 BONNEY was born Abt. 1604 in Clerkenwell, Middlesex Co., England, and died 1693 in Duxbury, Plymouth County, Massachusets. He married (1) MARY TERRY Abt. 1635. He married (2) MARY HUNT Abt. 1650. She was born 1604. Children of THOMAS BONNEY and MARY HUNT are: i. THOMAS2 BONNEY, b. 1640. 2. ii. JOHN BONNEY, b. 1642. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN2 BONNEY (THOMAS1) was born 1642. He married ELIZABETH BISHOP, daughter of JAMES BISHOP and MARY HUDSON. Child of JOHN BONNEY and ELIZABETH BISHOP is: 3. i. RUTH3 BONNEY, b. 07 February 1699/00, Pembroke, Plymouth County, Massachusetts. Generation No. 3 3. RUTH3 BONNEY (JOHN2, THOMAS1) (Source: Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp., Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005, Online publication - Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp.. Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005.Original data - With some noted exceptions all marriage records in this collection can be found at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, and may be available through Family History Centers throughout the United States. See table below for information listed.) was born 07 February 1699/00 in Pembroke, Plymouth County, Massachusetts (Source: Birth Record of Ruth Bonney, Name: Bonney, Ruth; Father: Bonney , John; Mother: Bishop , Elizabeth; Birth Date: 7 February 1699; City: Pembroke; State: MA; Country: USA Name: Bonney, Ruth; Father: Bonney , John; Mother: Bishop , Elizabeth; Birth Date: 7 February 1700; City: Pembroke; State: MA; Country: USA Edmund West, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000.). She married SAMUEL PARRIS 21 January 1724/25 in Pembroke, Plymouth County, Massachusetts (Source: Multiple Marriage Record Listings of Ruth Bonney and Samuel Parris, Early Massachusetts Marriages Prior to 1800 Plymouth County Pembroke page 58 Samuel Parris & Ruth Bonney, Jan. 21, 1725 Early Massachusetts Marriages Prior to 1800 Middlesex, Hamshire, Bershire and Bristol Plymouth County Marriages 1692-1746 Bristol County [112] Mariages in the Town of Pembrooke >From 1724. To 1738. page 21 Samuel Parris and Ruth Bonney Janry 21, 1725. The Genealogical Advertiser A Quarterly Magazine of Family History, Vol I-IV Vol. I. December, 1898. No. 4. Plymouth County Marriages. Continued fom page 40. From Volume One of the Court of General Sessions of the Peace. Samuel Parris and Ruth Bonney 21 Jan 1725 . Ancestry.com. Genealogical Advertise: A quarterly Magazine of Family History, Vol. 1-4 [database online]. Provo, UT: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2002. Original data: Greenlaw, Lucy Hall. Genealogical Advertiser: A quarterly Magazine of Family History, Vol. I-4. Cambridge MA, 1898-1901. .), son of THOMAS PARRIS and ABIGAIL UNKNOWN. He was born Abt. 1697. Child of RUTH BONNEY and SAMUEL PARRIS is: i. ABIGAIL4 PARRIS (Source: (1) Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp., Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005., (2) Alice (Frazier) Walker of Kansas.), b. 30 November 1725, Pembroke, Plymouth County, Massachusetts (Source: Birth Record of Abigail Parris, Name: Abigail Parris; Spouse: Job Simmons; Parents: Samuel Parris, Ruth Bonney; Birth Place: Pembroke, MA; Birth Date: 30 November 1725; Marriage Place: Pembroke, MA; Marriage Date: 20 October 1742 Edmund West, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000.); m. JOB SIMMONS, JR. (Source: (1) Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp., Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005., (2) Edmund West, comp., Family Data Collection - Individual Records, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000, Edmund West, comp. Family Data Collection - Individual Records. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000., (3) Alice (Frazier) Walker of Kansas., (4) Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-33.), 20 October 1742, Pembroke, Plymouth, Massachusetts (Source: Dodd, Jordan, Liahona Research, comp., Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850, Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005.). Lois Kortering ------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@cox.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] JOHN Bonney - Was he son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON? > At 06:03 PM 9/14/2008, Len Keane wrote: > >>I was just reviewing the Sampson Web site and noticed that they do not >>show >>John Bonney, b. 25 Feb 1663/64 in Duxbury, d. 16 Nov 1745 >>in Pembroke as being >>a son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON, dau. of Henry SAMPSON of >>the >>"Mayflower". >> >>If John Bonney was not their son, who were his parents? > ------------------- > John's birth date is not known. The year of his birth is estimated as > 1664 in Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr. and Melinde > Lutz Sanborn, "The Great Migration: Immigrants To New England > 1634-1635, Vol. I, A-B" (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical > Society, 1999). It is likely that he was born in Duxbury. > > John was not the son of Dorcas (Sampson) Bonney - he was her > brother-in-law, younger brother to Thomas, and son of immigrant > Thomas Bonney and wife Mary (___). > > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project > Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net >

Re Dale Cook's pointing out that John Bonney was not a son of Thomas and Dorcas, I stand corrected. Stacy Wood -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dale H. Cook Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:58 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] JOHN Bonney - Was he son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON? At 06:03 PM 9/14/2008, Len Keane wrote: >I was just reviewing the Sampson Web site and noticed that they do not show >John Bonney, b. 25 Feb 1663/64 in Duxbury, d. 16 Nov 1745 >in Pembroke as being >a son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON, dau. of Henry SAMPSON of the >"Mayflower". > >If John Bonney was not their son, who were his parents? John's birth date is not known. The year of his birth is estimated as 1664 in Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr. and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, "The Great Migration: Immigrants To New England 1634-1635, Vol. I, A-B" (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999). It is likely that he was born in Duxbury. John was not the son of Dorcas (Sampson) Bonney - he was her brother-in-law, younger brother to Thomas, and son of immigrant Thomas Bonney and wife Mary (___). Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Physical Therapy Certification Training - Save online. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLu87a000UkBJEspFTxp1j0k6 nm3dyjBKpYMp1F2SFAIgGp/ Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Abraham Sampson Descendants database is just that: descendants of Abraham Sampson, not the descendants of Pilgrim Henry Samson, the assumed 1st cousin of Henry. Henry's descendants are shown only if they share descent from Abraham. Also this is a "work in progress" and perhaps eventually there will be a line back to John Bonney and his parents Thomas and Dorcas like the one for the descendants of John's his sister Mercy who married Nathaniel Delano. For Henry's descendants, you should see the three volumes (Vol. 20 Parts 1-3) about his descendants published by GSMD. The fact that Abraham did not come on the "Mayflower," and thus will not have a GSMD volume, is why this database is being compiled. Of course Abraham Sampson and Henry were once believed to have been brothers but long ago this was disproved. Nevertheless, Abraham did not come on the "Mayflower." Yes, the Pilgrim Henry Samson Kindred does accept descendants of Henry's assumed 1st cousin for membership. Stacy B. C. Wood, Jr. Complier Abraham Sampson Descendants Report -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of T0Leo@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:04 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] JOHN Bonney - Was he son of Thomas Bonney,Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON? I was just reviewing the Sampson Web site and noticed that they do not show John Bonney, b. 25 Feb 1663/64 in Duxbury, d. 16 Nov 1745 in Pembroke as being a son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON, dau. of Henry SAMPSON of the "Mayflower". If John Bonney was not their son, who were his parents? Thanks, Len Keane **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 06:03 PM 9/14/2008, Len Keane wrote: >I was just reviewing the Sampson Web site and noticed that they do not show >John Bonney, b. 25 Feb 1663/64 in Duxbury, d. 16 Nov 1745 >in Pembroke as being >a son of Thomas Bonney, Jr. & Dorcas SAMPSON, dau. of Henry SAMPSON of the >"Mayflower". > >If John Bonney was not their son, who were his parents? John's birth date is not known. The year of his birth is estimated as 1664 in Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr. and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, "The Great Migration: Immigrants To New England 1634-1635, Vol. I, A-B" (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999). It is likely that he was born in Duxbury. John was not the son of Dorcas (Sampson) Bonney - he was her brother-in-law, younger brother to Thomas, and son of immigrant Thomas Bonney and wife Mary (___). Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Physical Therapy Certification Training - Save online. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLu87a000UkBJEspFTxp1j0k6nm3dyjBKpYMp1F2SFAIgGp/

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John wrote: > John wrote: >> Raymond Wing wrote: >>> The early set of "Mayflower Descendant" can be purchased on CD-Rom for a reasonable fee. Both Genealogy.com and Search and ReSearch (and possibly others) offer these CDs . >>> >> Thanks! I just ordered a set. > > I just received the set. Unfortunately, I didn't read the fine print > when I placed the order. > > I didn't know I was purchasing an ancestry.com product packaged so it > can only be used on Windoze. The fine print on the back of the > jewel box says you need FTM for Windoze or Family Archive Viewer > (also Windoze only) to use the set. > Well, I just packaged up the CD to return. For those that don't know about: http://books.google.com I just found two complete (free) MD volumes (6 & 24) at: and limited views of many of the other volumes. (hopefully enough to get the handful of explicit references I want). I also just downloaded from there three or four full books about the Mayflower and Massachusetts history (published in the early 1900s). Go to the site and search for "Mayflower Descendant" and similar and you may be surprised what you will find. Google is actively scanning books from major library collections. I keep an eye on it when I remember as more books appear all the time. John

So far, I'm reasonably happy with "Gramps"... - Stuart Perkins stuartperkins@usa.net Cell:(770) 856-9625 On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 16:03 -0400, John wrote: > Raymond Wing wrote: > > According to Richard Eastman's Genealogy Blog of FEB 1997 > > > > http://www.eogn.com/archives/news9708.txt > > > > The Mayflower CD Produced for Family Tree Maker does work on Macs. However, you need Family Tree Maker for the Mac to operate the CD. > > > > That article is from 1997. FTM no longer makes a Mac version as far as I > understand. > > Anyway, I used FTM a few years ago on Windoze, and moved on even > before I left Windoze fully. So I don't run FTM just as I don't > run Windoze. > > [I'm settling for Reunion for those that might be curious. Settling > because I find its sourcing rather crude, too crude for me to use > as is, and I am having to write my own rtf postprocessing scripts > to make it do Mills style source formats. My preference would be > if TMG would make a Mac version, but they won't]. > > John > > > I cannot personally vouch for this, but you may want to explore the (old) article yourself. > > > > I do note the "Mayflower Descendant Legacy" produced by Search & ReSearch does state it works only for Windows systems. > > > > Ray > > > > --- On Sat, 8/30/08, John <john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > > From: John <john@jytangledweb.org> > > Subject: Re: [MFLR] NJ libraries having Mayflower Descendant? > > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > > Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:35 PM > > > > John wrote: > >> Raymond Wing wrote: > >>> The early set of "Mayflower Descendant" can be purchased on > > CD-Rom for a reasonable fee. Both Genealogy.com and Search and ReSearch (and > > possibly others) offer these CDs . > >> Thanks! I just ordered a set. > > > > I just received the set. Unfortunately, I didn't read the fine print > > when I placed the order. > > > > I didn't know I was purchasing an ancestry.com product packaged so it > > can only be used on Windoze. The fine print on the back of the > > jewel box says you need FTM for Windoze or Family Archive Viewer > > (also Windoze only) to use the set. > > > > I don't do Windoze any more. I eradicated it from my life almost a > > year ago. And I refuse to run Parallels, CrossOver or anything that > > is really still having all the headaches, and more, of Windoze. > > > > Is my only option to send the set back for a refund? And plan for > > a visit to the New York City Library? > > > > Thanks, John > > > >> -John > >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for > > this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, I also run non Windoze OS, but I have "Virtual" Windoze computers set up for the Windoze only requirements (some of my clients have VPN's and other software which requires it). I only use them when necessary, and the virtual hardware has so far been quite happy with Windoze. If you still have any of the installs, or at least a license key, you can setup such and use it with VMPlayer or other emulation software. Let me know if you are interested in going this route. - Stuart Perkins stuartperkins@usa.net On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:35 -0400, John wrote: > John wrote: > > Raymond Wing wrote: > >> The early set of "Mayflower Descendant" can be purchased on CD-Rom for a reasonable fee. Both Genealogy.com and Search and ReSearch (and possibly others) offer these CDs . > >> > > > > Thanks! I just ordered a set. > > I just received the set. Unfortunately, I didn't read the fine print > when I placed the order. > > I didn't know I was purchasing an ancestry.com product packaged so it > can only be used on Windoze. The fine print on the back of the > jewel box says you need FTM for Windoze or Family Archive Viewer > (also Windoze only) to use the set. > > I don't do Windoze any more. I eradicated it from my life almost a > year ago. And I refuse to run Parallels, CrossOver or anything that > is really still having all the headaches, and more, of Windoze. > > Is my only option to send the set back for a refund? And plan for > a visit to the New York City Library? > > Thanks, John > > > > > -John > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Raymond Wing wrote: > According to Richard Eastman's Genealogy Blog of FEB 1997 > > http://www.eogn.com/archives/news9708.txt > > The Mayflower CD Produced for Family Tree Maker does work on Macs. However, you need Family Tree Maker for the Mac to operate the CD. > That article is from 1997. FTM no longer makes a Mac version as far as I understand. Anyway, I used FTM a few years ago on Windoze, and moved on even before I left Windoze fully. So I don't run FTM just as I don't run Windoze. [I'm settling for Reunion for those that might be curious. Settling because I find its sourcing rather crude, too crude for me to use as is, and I am having to write my own rtf postprocessing scripts to make it do Mills style source formats. My preference would be if TMG would make a Mac version, but they won't]. John > I cannot personally vouch for this, but you may want to explore the (old) article yourself. > > I do note the "Mayflower Descendant Legacy" produced by Search & ReSearch does state it works only for Windows systems. > > Ray > > --- On Sat, 8/30/08, John <john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > From: John <john@jytangledweb.org> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] NJ libraries having Mayflower Descendant? > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:35 PM > > John wrote: >> Raymond Wing wrote: >>> The early set of "Mayflower Descendant" can be purchased on > CD-Rom for a reasonable fee. Both Genealogy.com and Search and ReSearch (and > possibly others) offer these CDs . >> Thanks! I just ordered a set. > > I just received the set. Unfortunately, I didn't read the fine print > when I placed the order. > > I didn't know I was purchasing an ancestry.com product packaged so it > can only be used on Windoze. The fine print on the back of the > jewel box says you need FTM for Windoze or Family Archive Viewer > (also Windoze only) to use the set. > > I don't do Windoze any more. I eradicated it from my life almost a > year ago. And I refuse to run Parallels, CrossOver or anything that > is really still having all the headaches, and more, of Windoze. > > Is my only option to send the set back for a refund? And plan for > a visit to the New York City Library? > > Thanks, John > >> -John >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for > this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John wrote: > Raymond Wing wrote: >> The early set of "Mayflower Descendant" can be purchased on CD-Rom for a reasonable fee. Both Genealogy.com and Search and ReSearch (and possibly others) offer these CDs . >> > > Thanks! I just ordered a set. I just received the set. Unfortunately, I didn't read the fine print when I placed the order. I didn't know I was purchasing an ancestry.com product packaged so it can only be used on Windoze. The fine print on the back of the jewel box says you need FTM for Windoze or Family Archive Viewer (also Windoze only) to use the set. I don't do Windoze any more. I eradicated it from my life almost a year ago. And I refuse to run Parallels, CrossOver or anything that is really still having all the headaches, and more, of Windoze. Is my only option to send the set back for a refund? And plan for a visit to the New York City Library? Thanks, John > > -John > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Richard Eastman's Genealogy Blog of FEB 1997 http://www.eogn.com/archives/news9708.txt The Mayflower CD Produced for Family Tree Maker does work on Macs. However, you need Family Tree Maker for the Mac to operate the CD.  I cannot personally vouch for this, but you may want to explore the (old) article yourself. I do note the "Mayflower Descendant Legacy" produced by Search & ReSearch does state it works only for Windows systems. Ray --- On Sat, 8/30/08, John <john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: From: John <john@jytangledweb.org> Subject: Re: [MFLR] NJ libraries having Mayflower Descendant? To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:35 PM John wrote: > Raymond Wing wrote: >> The early set of "Mayflower Descendant" can be purchased on CD-Rom for a reasonable fee. Both Genealogy.com and Search and ReSearch (and possibly others) offer these CDs . >> > > Thanks! I just ordered a set. I just received the set. Unfortunately, I didn't read the fine print when I placed the order. I didn't know I was purchasing an ancestry.com product packaged so it can only be used on Windoze. The fine print on the back of the jewel box says you need FTM for Windoze or Family Archive Viewer (also Windoze only) to use the set. I don't do Windoze any more. I eradicated it from my life almost a year ago. And I refuse to run Parallels, CrossOver or anything that is really still having all the headaches, and more, of Windoze. Is my only option to send the set back for a refund? And plan for a visit to the New York City Library? Thanks, John > > -John > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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