And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:03 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :)

I have the Allerton silver book and it is upside down. I'm looking at it in my shelf with all my other books with the titles starting from top to bottom, not the reverse as David indicates. Never noticed it but it is strange. Hmm Janean -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:03 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) David E. Cann wrote: > I am likely "stretching" the list topic a bit here, but I have noticed > something that has really got me puzzled regarding the Mayflower Society's > marvellous publications. I know that at least a few upper level folks in > the society monitor this list, so maybe one of them can answer my silly > question, on or off list. > > About two years ago I purchased volume 22 of the "silver books," which of > course covers Gov. William Bradford. I think maybe 20 years of genealogy > has made me too much of a stickler for details, but I noticed right away > that the information printed on the spine was upside down. If you notice > with almost any book, unless the information is printed vertically, the > spine is normally printed so that if you lay the book down flat on the BACK > cover the information is readable from left to right and right side up. > With the Bradford book it was upside down. No big deal, really, I just > assumed a printing error discovered after publication and went on enjoying > the book. > > Last week I ordered all four of the Brewster "pink books," and low and > behold they are ALL FOUR printed just like the Bradford book, with the spine > supposedly printed upside down. So much for my theory that the Bradford > book was printed that way as a fluke, or a one-time error. Now, I am > wondering if all the books are printed that way, and if so, why? Can anyone > out there give me an answer, without making a guess? The books are great > otherwise, and I have no intention of going further with this, but I think > my darned genealogist's natural curiousity and desire to find answers is > getting the better of me. > > If anyone knows the answer to this mystery, I'd appreciate hearing from you. > :-) > > > David E. Cann > decann@plymouthcolony.net > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM

David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) David E. Cann wrote: > I am likely "stretching" the list topic a bit here, but I have noticed > something that has really got me puzzled regarding the Mayflower Society's > marvellous publications. I know that at least a few upper level folks in > the society monitor this list, so maybe one of them can answer my silly > question, on or off list. > > About two years ago I purchased volume 22 of the "silver books," which of > course covers Gov. William Bradford. I think maybe 20 years of genealogy > has made me too much of a stickler for details, but I noticed right away > that the information printed on the spine was upside down. If you notice > with almost any book, unless the information is printed vertically, the > spine is normally printed so that if you lay the book down flat on the BACK > cover the information is readable from left to right and right side up. > With the Bradford book it was upside down. No big deal, really, I just > assumed a printing error discovered after publication and went on enjoying > the book. > > Last week I ordered all four of the Brewster "pink books," and low and > behold they are ALL FOUR printed just like the Bradford book, with the spine > supposedly printed upside down. So much for my theory that the Bradford > book was printed that way as a fluke, or a one-time error. Now, I am > wondering if all the books are printed that way, and if so, why? Can anyone > out there give me an answer, without making a guess? The books are great > otherwise, and I have no intention of going further with this, but I think > my darned genealogist's natural curiousity and desire to find answers is > getting the better of me. > > If anyone knows the answer to this mystery, I'd appreciate hearing from you. > :-) > > > David E. Cann > decann@plymouthcolony.net > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am likely "stretching" the list topic a bit here, but I have noticed something that has really got me puzzled regarding the Mayflower Society's marvellous publications. I know that at least a few upper level folks in the society monitor this list, so maybe one of them can answer my silly question, on or off list. About two years ago I purchased volume 22 of the "silver books," which of course covers Gov. William Bradford. I think maybe 20 years of genealogy has made me too much of a stickler for details, but I noticed right away that the information printed on the spine was upside down. If you notice with almost any book, unless the information is printed vertically, the spine is normally printed so that if you lay the book down flat on the BACK cover the information is readable from left to right and right side up. With the Bradford book it was upside down. No big deal, really, I just assumed a printing error discovered after publication and went on enjoying the book. Last week I ordered all four of the Brewster "pink books," and low and behold they are ALL FOUR printed just like the Bradford book, with the spine supposedly printed upside down. So much for my theory that the Bradford book was printed that way as a fluke, or a one-time error. Now, I am wondering if all the books are printed that way, and if so, why? Can anyone out there give me an answer, without making a guess? The books are great otherwise, and I have no intention of going further with this, but I think my darned genealogist's natural curiousity and desire to find answers is getting the better of me. If anyone knows the answer to this mystery, I'd appreciate hearing from you. :-) David E. Cann decann@plymouthcolony.net

Tom, I don't need a lookup, but thank you anyway. As I said, I've purchased the books and they ought to arrive soon, but I have no idea what map software you are referring to. :-( David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Lester Collins Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:47 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] William Brewster "Silver Book?" David, Go to the Pink Books. Who do you need a Look-Up for? I only have two of them... William BREWSTER & Jonathan2. That census map software is great!!! Tom <snip>

Susan, I pretty much expected that answer. It stands to reason if they had one available then it would have been listed on the WWW, but it was worth asking. I thank you for the response. I'll see what I can find in booklets I have sent for, then hopefully purchase the new silver book if/when it is released. Thanks again. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan E. Roser Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:49 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] William Brewster "Silver Book?" David, The MF silver book on Brewster is not yet ready for publication. The pink MFIP booklets are the "in progess" books and all that we have right now. The prime researcher for the Brewster family is Barbara Merrick, a very thorough researcher. She obviously wants to "get it right" before she publishes this book. We have been given no time frame on when this might happen. Susan E. Roser

David, The MF silver book on Brewster is not yet ready for publication. The pink MFIP booklets are the "in progess" books and all that we have right now. The prime researcher for the Brewster family is Barbara Merrick, a very thorough researcher. She obviously wants to "get it right" before she publishes this book. We have been given no time frame on when this might happen. Susan E. Roser www.friendsofthepilgrims.com www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: "Mayflower List Posting" <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: [MFLR] William Brewster "Silver Book?" > With a very major Bradford line in my maternal ancestry, I've been chasing > the direct connection to William Bradford that my great grandmother told > me > exists for almost twenty years. If such a direct connection is out there > I > have yet to find it, although I've found multiple "indirect" connections > through marriage no only to Gov. Bradford but to at least seven other > fellow > Mayflower Pilgrims. Nothing direct though, but I suspect that is due to > the > fact that after all this time I have yet to document the parents for my > 4g-grandfather, named John Bradford (1798-1877). That said, as of this > past > week I can now document a different connection that has apparently evolved > out two decades of frustration. > > This week I found a direct connection not with William Bradford, but with > William Brewster, who it turns out is my 11g-grandfather. Upon > discovering > the connection, I went to the Mayflower Society webpage to purchase the > Brewster "Silver Book," but unless I am totally missing something there is > no such thing available. Can anyone out there verify this for me, or > better > yet tell me there is one available and how to purchase it? I did purchase > some smaller ones I found there on the Brewster genealogy, but no silver > book like the Bradford edition that I bought a few years ago. > > If anyone out there can tell me there is a Brewster edition of the Silver > Books and point me in the right direction toward buying it, I would > appreciate it. Now that I have documented the connection, I would like to > find out some details from a reliable source if I can. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

With a very major Bradford line in my maternal ancestry, I've been chasing the direct connection to William Bradford that my great grandmother told me exists for almost twenty years. If such a direct connection is out there I have yet to find it, although I've found multiple "indirect" connections through marriage no only to Gov. Bradford but to at least seven other fellow Mayflower Pilgrims. Nothing direct though, but I suspect that is due to the fact that after all this time I have yet to document the parents for my 4g-grandfather, named John Bradford (1798-1877). That said, as of this past week I can now document a different connection that has apparently evolved out two decades of frustration. This week I found a direct connection not with William Bradford, but with William Brewster, who it turns out is my 11g-grandfather. Upon discovering the connection, I went to the Mayflower Society webpage to purchase the Brewster "Silver Book," but unless I am totally missing something there is no such thing available. Can anyone out there verify this for me, or better yet tell me there is one available and how to purchase it? I did purchase some smaller ones I found there on the Brewster genealogy, but no silver book like the Bradford edition that I bought a few years ago. If anyone out there can tell me there is a Brewster edition of the Silver Books and point me in the right direction toward buying it, I would appreciate it. Now that I have documented the connection, I would like to find out some details from a reliable source if I can. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net

Truro, Barnstable, MA VR: Simon Gross m. Elizabeth Treat 24 July 1729 (is this the father or the same person?) Simon Gross m. Phebe Collings 14 Feb 1749 [must be the Phebe Knowles Grace listed] Samuel s/o Simon and Phebe b. 2 May 1751 Simon Gross and Lydia Hinckley m. 18 September 1755 Elizabeth Treat Gross d/o Simon and Lydia b. 5 Feb 1758 No record on my CD of the birth of a daughter Phebe (no matter how you spell it) Grace Smith wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > I am not a descendant of Hopkins but I checked my Hopkins silver book, vol. > 6. > > On page 169: > > Lydia Hinckley, b. 11 June 1726; PROBABLY married Simon Gross. (Lydia > Hinckley is the daughter of Lydia Paine (Thomas, Mary Snow, Constance > Hopkins, Stephen) and Josiah Hinckley. > > > On page 168, same book, > > Phebe Knowles (daughter of Paul Knowles and Phebe Paine (sister of the above > Lydia Paine) b 28 April 1725 married 1. Joseph Collins, 2. Simon Gross > > > The Mayflower silver book lists both daughters as PHEBE. > > > Also, since you are on a timetable to get the application approved for your > great-grandmother's birthday, I suggest two tips: > > 1. Contact the state historian (of the state you will be submitting the > application to) for help. http://www.themayflowersociety.com/contact.htm > > 2. Contact the Mayflower Library > http://www.themayflowersociety.com/library.htm to see if there is a proven > line from Phebe Gross. They can also help with research requests. Here is > a statement from their web page: > > "We also accept lineage requests and other inquiries via email > (gsmd.libr@verizon.net )." > > > Sincerely, > > Grace Bliss Smith, Ph.D. > Webmaster Secretary > Michigan Society of Mayflower Descendants > http://www.michmayflower.org/ > > > Jennifer Hoernig wrote: > >> Hello All, Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true >> > name and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon > Gross. I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross, Phoebe Perkins, > Phoebe Perkins Gross, Phoebe Gross Perkins, Phoebe Gorse, Phoebe Gorse > Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gorse, etc. She is a descendant of Stephen Hopkins > through Constance, Mary Snow, Thomas Paine, Lydia Paine, Lydia Hinckley. I > also want to make sure I have her b,m,d dates accurate. And if she did > indeed marry William LaMont, Sr. I'm relatively new to genealogy, and > applying for membership to the General Society of Mayflower Descendants. If > anyone has any advice I would love to have it. Thank you so much for any > help you can give me. Jennifer Hoernig - Marysville, WA > > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

David, Go to the Pink Books. Who do you need a Look-Up for? I only have two of them... William BREWSTER & Jonathan2. That census map software is great!!! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: "Mayflower List Posting" <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [MFLR] William Brewster "Silver Book?" > With a very major Bradford line in my maternal ancestry, I've been chasing > the direct connection to William Bradford that my great grandmother told > me > exists for almost twenty years. If such a direct connection is out there > I > have yet to find it, although I've found multiple "indirect" connections > through marriage no only to Gov. Bradford but to at least seven other > fellow > Mayflower Pilgrims. Nothing direct though, but I suspect that is due to > the > fact that after all this time I have yet to document the parents for my > 4g-grandfather, named John Bradford (1798-1877). That said, as of this > past > week I can now document a different connection that has apparently evolved > out two decades of frustration. > > This week I found a direct connection not with William Bradford, but with > William Brewster, who it turns out is my 11g-grandfather. Upon > discovering > the connection, I went to the Mayflower Society webpage to purchase the > Brewster "Silver Book," but unless I am totally missing something there is > no such thing available. Can anyone out there verify this for me, or > better > yet tell me there is one available and how to purchase it? I did purchase > some smaller ones I found there on the Brewster genealogy, but no silver > book like the Bradford edition that I bought a few years ago. > > If anyone out there can tell me there is a Brewster edition of the Silver > Books and point me in the right direction toward buying it, I would > appreciate it. Now that I have documented the connection, I would like to > find out some details from a reliable source if I can. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This problem is often complicated when you realize that record keepers in the 1700s/1800s with a good education might actually have what today would only be a third grade level. This was most notable when English was not the first language of the person of record. I find this a real problem with French Canadian names. Sometimes the names would be translated (LeBlank became White) and you can't follow the line anywhere. scanbar wrote: > Continuing on the name spelling, I have found quite a few names spelled differently because of what I believe to be scrvner's errors. One was Toung for Young. I stumbled over that one as I never thought of looking under "T". I have thought, [erhaps the top "v" of the "Y" was flattened a bit and another scribe mistook it for a "T". Also, the spelling could be "off" according to the accent of the one who is writing it. Try to put yourself in England. or whatever. in the 1600's and how might the name have been sounded then; or was it written in a U.S. southern or western drawl. Or how a person whose language was one other than English might hear it. > > Hope thiis helps. > > Barbara > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM > >

Thank you everyone for all the suggestions. I didn't even think about checking into different spellings from what I already had. It really makes sense though. I'll keep everyone posted on what I find out. > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:49:01 -0400> From: chuck.richardson@mindspring.com> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Phoebe Gross> > This problem is often complicated when you realize that record > keepers in the 1700s/1800s with a good education might actually have > what today would only be a third grade level. This was most notable > when English was not the first language of the person of record. I > find this a real problem with French Canadian names. Sometimes the > names would be translated (LeBlank became White) and you can't follow > the line anywhere.> > scanbar wrote:> > Continuing on the name spelling, I have found quite a few names spelled differently because of what I believe to be scrvner's errors. One was Toung for Young. I stumbled over that one as I never thought of looking under "T". I have thought, [erhaps the top "v" of the "Y" was flattened a bit and another scribe mistook it for a "T". Also, the spelling could be "off" according to the accent of the one who is writing it. Try to put yourself in England. or whatever. in the 1600's and how might the name have been sounded then; or was it written in a U.S. southern or western drawl. Or how a person whose language was one other than English might hear it.> >> > Hope thiis helps.> >> > Barbara> > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM> >> > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/

Hi Jennifer, I am not a descendant of Hopkins but I checked my Hopkins silver book, vol. 6. On page 169: Lydia Hinckley, b. 11 June 1726; PROBABLY married Simon Gross. (Lydia Hinckley is the daughter of Lydia Paine (Thomas, Mary Snow, Constance Hopkins, Stephen) and Josiah Hinckley. On page 168, same book, Phebe Knowles (daughter of Paul Knowles and Phebe Paine (sister of the above Lydia Paine) b 28 April 1725 married 1. Joseph Collins, 2. Simon Gross The Mayflower silver book lists both daughters as PHEBE. Also, since you are on a timetable to get the application approved for your great-grandmother's birthday, I suggest two tips: 1. Contact the state historian (of the state you will be submitting the application to) for help. http://www.themayflowersociety.com/contact.htm 2. Contact the Mayflower Library http://www.themayflowersociety.com/library.htm to see if there is a proven line from Phebe Gross. They can also help with research requests. Here is a statement from their web page: "We also accept lineage requests and other inquiries via email (gsmd.libr@verizon.net )." Sincerely, Grace Bliss Smith, Ph.D. Webmaster Secretary Michigan Society of Mayflower Descendants http://www.michmayflower.org/ Jennifer Hoernig wrote: > Hello All, Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross. I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross, Phoebe Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gross, Phoebe Gross Perkins, Phoebe Gorse, Phoebe Gorse Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gorse, etc. She is a descendant of Stephen Hopkins through Constance, Mary Snow, Thomas Paine, Lydia Paine, Lydia Hinckley. I also want to make sure I have her b,m,d dates accurate. And if she did indeed marry William LaMont, Sr. I'm relatively new to genealogy, and applying for membership to the General Society of Mayflower Descendants. If anyone has any advice I would love to have it. Thank you so much for any help you can give me. Jennifer Hoernig - Marysville, WA

That's good advice. Especially when you are looking at transcriptions rather than original records, you are apt to find T's transcribed as F's, too; I have found 'Tidd' transcribed as 'Fidd', I guess because of the old way of crossing the T's. If you scroll any list of transcriptions on ancestry.com you will see crazy names that aren't even names at all; these are just the transcriber's attempts to put down what they thought they saw on the record. More often than not if you view the original you will see something quite different, especially if you get a little practice viewing the old script. I found 'Hugh' transcribed as 'Thuck', if you can believe it; when I viewed the original it definitely said Hugh. You just have to think outside the box, and always check soundex when searching if you can't find it with the spelling you think is correct. I've had very good luck with that in the past. scanbar wrote: > Continuing on the name spelling, I have found quite a few names spelled differently because of what I believe to be scrvner's errors. One was Toung for Young. I stumbled over that one as I never thought of looking under "T". I have thought, [erhaps the top "v" of the "Y" was flattened a bit and another scribe mistook it for a "T". Also, the spelling could be "off" according to the accent of the one who is writing it. Try to put yourself in England. or whatever. in the 1600's and how might the name have been sounded then; or was it written in a U.S. southern or western drawl. Or how a person whose language was one other than English might hear it. > > Hope thiis helps. > > Barbara > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Continuing on the name spelling, I have found quite a few names spelled differently because of what I believe to be scrvner's errors. One was Toung for Young. I stumbled over that one as I never thought of looking under "T". I have thought, [erhaps the top "v" of the "Y" was flattened a bit and another scribe mistook it for a "T". Also, the spelling could be "off" according to the accent of the one who is writing it. Try to put yourself in England. or whatever. in the 1600's and how might the name have been sounded then; or was it written in a U.S. southern or western drawl. Or how a person whose language was one other than English might hear it. Hope thiis helps. Barbara

Yes, please do contact his daughter. Can you see if they have a Simon Gross in their line b. 25 April 1731 Truro, Barnstabel, MA. Thank you for your help. > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:33:14 -0400> From: chuck.richardson@mindspring.com> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Phebe Gross> > I have the following> *Carl Burnham Gross*. He was b. 19 October 1903, Eastham MA, and d. 19 > October 1991.> > If there is interest in his line I am able to contact his daughter (my > cousin) who stoll lives on the cape...> > Jennifer Hoernig wrote:> > Dale,> > > > Thanks for the information on the spelling discrepincies - it definately makes it easier to understand why there are multiple spellings for her. I have her parents as Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross married Sept 18, 1755 in Truro, Mass. Phebe was born Aug 8, 1762 possibly in North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY. I seem to be running into a brick wall when it comes to information on Phebe. I've read that she was a widow to a Mr Perkins, but can't seem to find anything to prove that. I have her married to William Lamont, Sr. 1779 or 1788 in North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY. I'm going back over my notes and trying to establish if Lydia & Simon Gross even had a daughter named Phebe and if so, if she even married a William Lamont. The 7th generation I seem to be stuck on. I can prove lineage from Stephen Hopkins to Lydia Hinckley & Simon Gross and I can prove lineage from myself to Benjamin Lamont (William Lamont's son) and Sally Howe. But it's that gray area in between that I !> ca!> > n't seem to connect. My lineage to Stephen Hopkins is as follows:> > > >> > Stephen Hopkins> > Constance m: Nicholas Snow> > Mary m: Thomas Paine> > Thomas m: Hannah Shaw> > Lydia m: Josiah Hinckley> > Lydia m: Simon Gross> > Phebe m: William LaMont, Sr.> > Benjamin m: Sally Howe> > Albertus A. LaMont m: Sarah Chase> > Boyd H. LaMont m: Mary McDonald> > Pearl m: Herbert Cowles> > Mary m: Harley Albaugh> > Lina m: Francis Gaab> > Karon m: James Fetzer> > Jennifer (me)> > I have contacted people who have Phebe Gross on their tree, but no one seems to have documentation to support it.> > I'm trying to prove my lineage before my great-grandmother's 99th birthday in April. I would really like to give her a membership certificate for her birthday.> > Any information that you can help me out with would be wonderful.> > > > Regards,> > > > Jennifer Hoernig> > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:08:50 -0400> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com> From: radiotest@cox.net> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Phebe Gross> > At 10:52 PM 10/3/2008, Jennifer Hoernig wrote:> > >Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name > >and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross.> > Jennifer -> > Welcome to the Mayflower list. Some of us here have extensive > resources, and though we may not be familiar with your specific line > we may be able to help if we know when and where to look. To get us > started, when and where was Phoebe born, and when and where were her > parents married?> > >I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross ...> > As Linda pointed out, standardized spelling is relatively recent - > the impetus was Noah Webster's speller, first published in 1783, and > which became so popular that sixty years later it was selling over a > million copies per year.> > The classic spelling of her given name is "Phoebe"!> , !> > but spelled with > the o and e attached together as one letter, called an "oe dipthong." > For examples of dipthongs and how they appear in print see:> > http://www.bible-researcher.com/characters.html> > Scroll down near the bottom of the page to see a number of > seldom-seen alphabetic characters including dipthongs.> > Many writers, though, simplified the spelling to "Phoebe" without the > dipthong, or to "Phebe."> > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;> Plymouth Co. 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I have the following *Carl Burnham Gross*. He was b. 19 October 1903, Eastham MA, and d. 19 October 1991. If there is interest in his line I am able to contact his daughter (my cousin) who stoll lives on the cape... Jennifer Hoernig wrote: > Dale, > > Thanks for the information on the spelling discrepincies - it definately makes it easier to understand why there are multiple spellings for her. I have her parents as Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross married Sept 18, 1755 in Truro, Mass. Phebe was born Aug 8, 1762 possibly in North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY. I seem to be running into a brick wall when it comes to information on Phebe. I've read that she was a widow to a Mr Perkins, but can't seem to find anything to prove that. I have her married to William Lamont, Sr. 1779 or 1788 in North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY. I'm going back over my notes and trying to establish if Lydia & Simon Gross even had a daughter named Phebe and if so, if she even married a William Lamont. The 7th generation I seem to be stuck on. I can prove lineage from Stephen Hopkins to Lydia Hinckley & Simon Gross and I can prove lineage from myself to Benjamin Lamont (William Lamont's son) and Sally Howe. But it's that gray area in between that I ca! > n't seem to connect. My lineage to Stephen Hopkins is as follows: > > > Stephen Hopkins > Constance m: Nicholas Snow > Mary m: Thomas Paine > Thomas m: Hannah Shaw > Lydia m: Josiah Hinckley > Lydia m: Simon Gross > Phebe m: William LaMont, Sr. > Benjamin m: Sally Howe > Albertus A. LaMont m: Sarah Chase > Boyd H. LaMont m: Mary McDonald > Pearl m: Herbert Cowles > Mary m: Harley Albaugh > Lina m: Francis Gaab > Karon m: James Fetzer > Jennifer (me) > I have contacted people who have Phebe Gross on their tree, but no one seems to have documentation to support it. > I'm trying to prove my lineage before my great-grandmother's 99th birthday in April. I would really like to give her a membership certificate for her birthday. > Any information that you can help me out with would be wonderful. > > Regards, > > Jennifer Hoernig > > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:08:50 -0400> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com> From: radiotest@cox.net> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Phebe Gross> > At 10:52 PM 10/3/2008, Jennifer Hoernig wrote:> > >Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name > >and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross.> > Jennifer -> > Welcome to the Mayflower list. Some of us here have extensive > resources, and though we may not be familiar with your specific line > we may be able to help if we know when and where to look. To get us > started, when and where was Phoebe born, and when and where were her > parents married?> > >I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross ...> > As Linda pointed out, standardized spelling is relatively recent - > the impetus was Noah Webster's speller, first published in 1783, and > which became so popular that sixty years later it was selling over a > million copies per year.> > The classic spelling of her given name is "Phoebe", ! > but spelled with > the o and e attached together as one letter, called an "oe dipthong." > For examples of dipthongs and how they appear in print see:> > http://www.bible-researcher.com/characters.html> > Scroll down near the bottom of the page to see a number of > seldom-seen alphabetic characters including dipthongs.> > Many writers, though, simplified the spelling to "Phoebe" without the > dipthong, or to "Phebe."> > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;> Plymouth Co. 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At 10:52 PM 10/3/2008, Jennifer Hoernig wrote: >Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name >and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross. Jennifer - Welcome to the Mayflower list. Some of us here have extensive resources, and though we may not be familiar with your specific line we may be able to help if we know when and where to look. To get us started, when and where was Phoebe born, and when and where were her parents married? >I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross ... As Linda pointed out, standardized spelling is relatively recent - the impetus was Noah Webster's speller, first published in 1783, and which became so popular that sixty years later it was selling over a million copies per year. The classic spelling of her given name is "Phoebe", but spelled with the o and e attached together as one letter, called an "oe dipthong." For examples of dipthongs and how they appear in print see: http://www.bible-researcher.com/characters.html Scroll down near the bottom of the page to see a number of seldom-seen alphabetic characters including dipthongs. Many writers, though, simplified the spelling to "Phoebe" without the dipthong, or to "Phebe." Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUoLLVKkxXPtwmA4woDksV5DcHbitjaDwRw9Fb6RNarNK1/

Dale, Thanks for the information on the spelling discrepincies - it definately makes it easier to understand why there are multiple spellings for her. I have her parents as Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross married Sept 18, 1755 in Truro, Mass. Phebe was born Aug 8, 1762 possibly in North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY. I seem to be running into a brick wall when it comes to information on Phebe. I've read that she was a widow to a Mr Perkins, but can't seem to find anything to prove that. I have her married to William Lamont, Sr. 1779 or 1788 in North Hillsdale, Columbia, NY. I'm going back over my notes and trying to establish if Lydia & Simon Gross even had a daughter named Phebe and if so, if she even married a William Lamont. The 7th generation I seem to be stuck on. I can prove lineage from Stephen Hopkins to Lydia Hinckley & Simon Gross and I can prove lineage from myself to Benjamin Lamont (William Lamont's son) and Sally Howe. But it's that gray area in between that I can't seem to connect. My lineage to Stephen Hopkins is as follows: Stephen Hopkins Constance m: Nicholas Snow Mary m: Thomas Paine Thomas m: Hannah Shaw Lydia m: Josiah Hinckley Lydia m: Simon Gross Phebe m: William LaMont, Sr. Benjamin m: Sally Howe Albertus A. LaMont m: Sarah Chase Boyd H. LaMont m: Mary McDonald Pearl m: Herbert Cowles Mary m: Harley Albaugh Lina m: Francis Gaab Karon m: James Fetzer Jennifer (me) I have contacted people who have Phebe Gross on their tree, but no one seems to have documentation to support it. I'm trying to prove my lineage before my great-grandmother's 99th birthday in April. I would really like to give her a membership certificate for her birthday. Any information that you can help me out with would be wonderful. Regards, Jennifer Hoernig > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:08:50 -0400> To: mayflower@rootsweb.com> From: radiotest@cox.net> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Phebe Gross> > At 10:52 PM 10/3/2008, Jennifer Hoernig wrote:> > >Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name > >and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross.> > Jennifer -> > Welcome to the Mayflower list. Some of us here have extensive > resources, and though we may not be familiar with your specific line > we may be able to help if we know when and where to look. To get us > started, when and where was Phoebe born, and when and where were her > parents married?> > >I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross ...> > As Linda pointed out, standardized spelling is relatively recent - > the impetus was Noah Webster's speller, first published in 1783, and > which became so popular that sixty years later it was selling over a > million copies per year.> > The classic spelling of her given name is "Phoebe", but spelled with > the o and e attached together as one letter, called an "oe dipthong." > For examples of dipthongs and how they appear in print see:> > http://www.bible-researcher.com/characters.html> > Scroll down near the bottom of the page to see a number of > seldom-seen alphabetic characters including dipthongs.> > Many writers, though, simplified the spelling to "Phoebe" without the > dipthong, or to "Phebe."> > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;> Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project> Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net > > ____________________________________________________________> Click here to find the rental car that fits your needs.> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nMUoLLVKkxXPtwmA4woDksV5DcHbitjaDwRw9Fb6RNarNK1/> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Hi Jennifer, I am afraid that I cannot help you with Phebe Gross, except to say that this problem is common in genealogy. In that day and age, spelling was all over the map on every imaginable name. There is no 'correct' way to spell anything! Just copy the records as you find them. The identifying factors are place, age, and the presence of collateral family members. Check every imaginable spelling for any name you come to if you are going to be successful finding records. Good luck! Linda in TN Jennifer Hoernig wrote: > Hello All, Does anyone out there have ANY information regarding the true name and spelling of Phebe Gross - daughter of Lydia (Hinckley) and Simon Gross. I have seen it listed as Phebe Gross, Phoebe Gross, Phoebe Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gross, Phoebe Gross Perkins, Phoebe Gorse, Phoebe Gorse Perkins, Phoebe Perkins Gorse, etc. She is a descendant of Stephen Hopkins through Constance, Mary Snow, Thomas Paine, Lydia Paine, Lydia Hinckley. I also want to make sure I have her b,m,d dates accurate. And if she did indeed marry William LaMont, Sr. I'm relatively new to genealogy, and applying for membership to the General Society of Mayflower Descendants. If anyone has any advice I would love to have it. Thank you so much for any help you can give me. Jennifer Hoernig - Marysville, WA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >