The 3rd edition, pub. 2001, has Lydia Hopkins, Elijah Bragdon, and children Gideon, Nathaniel, Jonathan, and Lydia on p. 439. Karen -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Staples Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:38 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Lineage Does the book have the children and spouses of Lydia Hopkins born 1727 who married Elijah Bragdon and lived in Maine. I wanted to buy one of these books and if Lydia and Elijah are in this one I will try and purchase this one. Thanks "Difficulties mastered are opportunities won." ~ Winston Churchill -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dale H. Cook Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:27 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Lineage At 09:33 PM 10/18/2008, Sharon wrote: >William Higgins married Deborah ________ I have an older edition of MF6, so you need to have someone check the latest edition, but my copy says that this William was "possibly" the William Higgins who married Deborah (___) and had three children recorded at Medfield. Because of the "possibly" the HG might not accept this line unless you can find some evidence that the Silver Book researchers did not find. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Save on Security Cameras. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mYHp1f24YgAfe4YHoClJkAOUt lbANZjeNeqVsWKFBSbfdMp/ Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 6:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 6:01 PM Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, Building on Dale's note, one of the Higgins sources listed in MF6 (my copy is 1995) is Katherine Chapin Higgins "Richard Higgins A Resident and Pioneer Settler At Plymouth and Eastham, Massachusetts, and at Piscataway, New Jersey", 1918. MF6 references several sections of the Higgins book including pp 85-86 and pp 674-5. On page 85 of the Higgins book: Samuel Higgins m (1) 4 Nov 1703 Hannah Cole dau of Israel and Mary (Paine) Cole, children Israel, Theodore, Ichabod and Samuel. Hannah is also a Hopkins descendant. Samuel m (2) 20 Mar 1717/8 Thankful Mayo dau of William Mayo, children William, John and Simeon. Samuel m (3) int 12 March 1739/40 Elizabeth Harding of Eastham. Regarding William, son of Samuel and Thankful p 85 states " b. Eastham 16 Aug 1719; d. ____. Nothing certain is known of this William. It is possible that he was the same as the William Higgins of Medfield, Mass., in 1737 or as the William of Chesterfield, Mass., in 1765, but no evidence to prove the conjecture has been discovered. (See Appendix A, IV.)" Note that "IV" must be a typo since the section is labeled "V" In Appendix A, pp 673 - 683 is information on The Higgins Family of Chesterfield. Quoting that reference: " 'William Higgins emigrated from old Bridgewater and settled in Chesterfield about 1765. He was a North of Ireland man who married a Welsh wife.' So wrote Mortimer L. Higgins in 1910 then aged ninety-four years and a lineal descendant of the said William Higgins. An attempt to discover this William Higgins in the records of the town of Bridgewater, Mass., ended in failure, as the records of that town show no William Higgins and in fact no Higgins whatsoever prior to 1765. However, in the town of Medfield, some twelve miles northwest of Bridgewater, is found a William Higgins and wife Deborah and three children born to them there. This William Higgins of Medfield attempted to gain a residence in Boston, as the records of the Boston selectmen show: 'June 9, 1742. Ordered that Mr. Savell warn William Higgins who lately came into this town from Medfield with his family to depart the Town as the law directs.' It seems probable that he left Boston and returned to Medfield, and that the son William, born Sept 1, 1739 in Medfield was the William Higgins who about 1765 settled in Chesterfield. We have no direct evidence either way. Another William Higgins arrived at Boston, April 22, 1766, in the schooner John & Jaz, from Ireland, a shoemaker. (Records of Boston Selectmen, Miscellaneous Papers, 1760.) Whether this Irish William Higgins, shoemaker, was permitted to remain in Boston is unknown. In 1790 there were two William Higginses and a Joseph Higgins residing in Boston. Whether one of these was the Irish William of 1766 or the Medfield William of 1742 is unknown, but the probabilities seem to favor the hypothesis that the Irish William remained in Boston, and that the Medfield William or his son William settled in Chesterfield. In this we may be mistaken, but for want of definite evidence we shall so place him." It goes on to discuss the William who settled in Chesterfield as perhaps the William b 1 Sep 1739 in Medfield. It does not give a marriage date or spouse. It does not list a child named William. However it does not have birth dates for any of the 12 children listed, only baptism dates for some. William of Chesterfield had Revolutionary service. Katherine Chapin Higgins cites from it. You might want to check that source as well. Randy >>William Higgins married Deborah ________ > >I have an older edition of MF6, so you need to have someone check the latest edition, but my copy says that this William was "possibly" the William Higgins who married Deborah (___) and had three children recorded at Medfield. Because of the "possibly" the HG might not accept this line unless you can find some evidence that the Silver Book researchers did not find. > >Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; >Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project >Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

At 09:33 PM 10/18/2008, Sharon wrote: >William Higgins married Deborah ________ I have an older edition of MF6, so you need to have someone check the latest edition, but my copy says that this William was "possibly" the William Higgins who married Deborah (___) and had three children recorded at Medfield. Because of the "possibly" the HG might not accept this line unless you can find some evidence that the Silver Book researchers did not find. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Save on Security Cameras. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mYHp1f24YgAfe4YHoClJkAOUtlbANZjeNeqVsWKFBSbfdMp/

THANK YOU! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin W.Beerman" <mwbeerman@cox.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Lineage > The Mayflower Families Silver Book for Hopkins takes the line through the > birth of William [m. Mercy] in the sixth generation. So the line is good > that far... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James W. Crippen" <crippen3@gmail.com> > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Lineage > > >> Sharon: >> You might try to contact Plymouth to determine if a "Mayflower Families >> in >> Progress" volume was ever printed. I have never seen a Silver Book on >> Hopkins. >> Regards, >> JC3 >> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Sharon <odie58@chartermi.net> wrote: >> >>> I am researching my lineage and believe I go back to Stephen Hopkins, >>> Is, >>> or has anyone the following in their lineage or whereabouts? >>> This is my lineage and I am trying to locate documents of the latter. >>> Thank you, >>> Sharon >>> >>> Stephen Hopkins >>> Deborah Hopkins married Andrew Ring >>> Elizabeth Ring married William Mayo >>> Thankful Mayo married Samuel Higgins >>> William Higgins married Deborah ________ >>> Williams Higgins married Mercy Niles >>> William Higgins married Keziah Littlefield >>> Williams Higgins Abigail Sparks >>> Charles Lynn Higgins married Emogen Rose >>> Norman Eugene Higgins married Sarah Lucas >>> Burrell Eugene Higgins married Hazel Mae Riggs >>> Grandpa >>> dad >>> Me >>> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ >>> page >>> for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page >> for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 > 6:01 PM > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.pilgrimhall.org/fiveGen.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "James W. Crippen" <crippen3@gmail.com> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Lineage > Sharon: > You might try to contact Plymouth to determine if a "Mayflower Families in > Progress" volume was ever printed. I have never seen a Silver Book on > Hopkins. > Regards, > JC3 > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Sharon <odie58@chartermi.net> wrote: > >> I am researching my lineage and believe I go back to Stephen Hopkins, Is, >> or has anyone the following in their lineage or whereabouts? >> This is my lineage and I am trying to locate documents of the latter. >> Thank you, >> Sharon >> >> Stephen Hopkins >> Deborah Hopkins married Andrew Ring >> Elizabeth Ring married William Mayo >> Thankful Mayo married Samuel Higgins >> William Higgins married Deborah ________ >> Williams Higgins married Mercy Niles >> William Higgins married Keziah Littlefield >> Williams Higgins Abigail Sparks >> Charles Lynn Higgins married Emogen Rose >> Norman Eugene Higgins married Sarah Lucas >> Burrell Eugene Higgins married Hazel Mae Riggs >> Grandpa >> dad >> Me >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page >> for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am researching my lineage and believe I go back to Stephen Hopkins, Is, or has anyone the following in their lineage or whereabouts? This is my lineage and I am trying to locate documents of the latter. Thank you, Sharon Stephen Hopkins Deborah Hopkins married Andrew Ring Elizabeth Ring married William Mayo Thankful Mayo married Samuel Higgins William Higgins married Deborah ________ Williams Higgins married Mercy Niles William Higgins married Keziah Littlefield Williams Higgins Abigail Sparks Charles Lynn Higgins married Emogen Rose Norman Eugene Higgins married Sarah Lucas Burrell Eugene Higgins married Hazel Mae Riggs Grandpa dad Me

The Mayflower Families Silver Book for Hopkins takes the line through the birth of William [m. Mercy] in the sixth generation. So the line is good that far... ----- Original Message ----- From: "James W. Crippen" <crippen3@gmail.com> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Lineage > Sharon: > You might try to contact Plymouth to determine if a "Mayflower Families in > Progress" volume was ever printed. I have never seen a Silver Book on > Hopkins. > Regards, > JC3 > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Sharon <odie58@chartermi.net> wrote: > >> I am researching my lineage and believe I go back to Stephen Hopkins, Is, >> or has anyone the following in their lineage or whereabouts? >> This is my lineage and I am trying to locate documents of the latter. >> Thank you, >> Sharon >> >> Stephen Hopkins >> Deborah Hopkins married Andrew Ring >> Elizabeth Ring married William Mayo >> Thankful Mayo married Samuel Higgins >> William Higgins married Deborah ________ >> Williams Higgins married Mercy Niles >> William Higgins married Keziah Littlefield >> Williams Higgins Abigail Sparks >> Charles Lynn Higgins married Emogen Rose >> Norman Eugene Higgins married Sarah Lucas >> Burrell Eugene Higgins married Hazel Mae Riggs >> Grandpa >> dad >> Me >> Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page >> for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 6:01 PM

Sharon: You might try to contact Plymouth to determine if a "Mayflower Families in Progress" volume was ever printed. I have never seen a Silver Book on Hopkins. Regards, JC3 On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Sharon <odie58@chartermi.net> wrote: > I am researching my lineage and believe I go back to Stephen Hopkins, Is, > or has anyone the following in their lineage or whereabouts? > This is my lineage and I am trying to locate documents of the latter. > Thank you, > Sharon > > Stephen Hopkins > Deborah Hopkins married Andrew Ring > Elizabeth Ring married William Mayo > Thankful Mayo married Samuel Higgins > William Higgins married Deborah ________ > Williams Higgins married Mercy Niles > William Higgins married Keziah Littlefield > Williams Higgins Abigail Sparks > Charles Lynn Higgins married Emogen Rose > Norman Eugene Higgins married Sarah Lucas > Burrell Eugene Higgins married Hazel Mae Riggs > Grandpa > dad > Me > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, my grandson is a junior member sponsored though my husband. -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bergee9353@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:21 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Junior membership Would my grandsons would qualify for a junior membership through my accepted line if their parent did not have a membership? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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OK. That will be the last word on upside down books. (except for the "digest folks" who undoubtedly will keep responding until they see this message somewhere in tomorrow's batch!) There must be a bookbinders forum somewhere where this would be appropriate. ;-) Thanks Folks! Craig Rich President, Rich Family Association Mayflower List administrator Ps: Please do not respond to THIS message on the list either. ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Cann Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:37 PM To: cindam80501@yahoo.com Cc: Mayflower List Admin Subject: RE: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books You might want to check your facts before posting such comments on a public list :-) but you go ahead and get your "moment in the limelight" if that is what you want to do. The situation you refer to was created by others, not me, and the List Admin resolved it entirely within proper rules and practices, and totally within the guidance and knowledge of RootsWeb. As for the subject matter of my post, it seems to me that is up to the List Admin, and I will be concerned about it if/when I hear from him, although given what you said I've got to wonder at your justification for your own post below under the circumstances. :-) It's all moot anyway, because the topic has more than sufficiently run its course and I'll not be responding to it further on the list. It was just a curious question anyway, and certainly not worth getting your blood pressure worked up over. A lot of others as curious as I was have replied off list anyhow. Hope your day winds up better than it has apparently started, and your "delete" key keeps working okay. :-) David E. Cann

Are the "upside down" books by any chance produced in Europe? In France, for example, the "upside down" orientation of the spine title is the "normal" orientation for all books. Paul Bunten New York / Copenhagen / Paris On Oct 10, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Stacy Wood wrote: > Once and for all let's end this! The complete series of all current > 5-generation hard cover books and MFIP soft cover books (with the > exception > of William Brewster - Jonathan 1999) sitting on my bookshelf are, as > they > are being called here, "upside down." Perhaps those of us who do > genealogy > like our source books "upside down." Regardless, they still "work." > > Craig, please put the brakes on this. :) > Stacy Wood > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] > On Behalf Of David E. Cann > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:59 AM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > > Something tells me this is just going to remain one of "life's little > mysteries." :-) It appears to be the later or current editions > that are > printed that way, such as my 2006 edition of "Jonathan" received > yesterday > that IS upside down, along with the Bradford "silver book" received > a year > or two ago. > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] > On Behalf Of Lucy Peterson > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:42 AM > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > > I have 3 pink books. Henry Samson from 1995 and William Brewster > from 1997 > are "upside down". I have a William Brewster 5th generation > (Jonathan) from > > 1999 and it is the right way. > Lucy > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page > for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ > page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Once and for all let's end this! The complete series of all current 5-generation hard cover books and MFIP soft cover books (with the exception of William Brewster - Jonathan 1999) sitting on my bookshelf are, as they are being called here, "upside down." Perhaps those of us who do genealogy like our source books "upside down." Regardless, they still "work." Craig, please put the brakes on this. :) Stacy Wood -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Cann Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:59 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books Something tells me this is just going to remain one of "life's little mysteries." :-) It appears to be the later or current editions that are printed that way, such as my 2006 edition of "Jonathan" received yesterday that IS upside down, along with the Bradford "silver book" received a year or two ago. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lucy Peterson Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:42 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books I have 3 pink books. Henry Samson from 1995 and William Brewster from 1997 are "upside down". I have a William Brewster 5th generation (Jonathan) from 1999 and it is the right way. Lucy Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Something tells me this is just going to remain one of "life's little mysteries." :-) It appears to be the later or current editions that are printed that way, such as my 2006 edition of "Jonathan" received yesterday that IS upside down, along with the Bradford "silver book" received a year or two ago. David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lucy Peterson Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:42 AM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books I have 3 pink books. Henry Samson from 1995 and William Brewster from 1997 are "upside down". I have a William Brewster 5th generation (Jonathan) from 1999 and it is the right way. Lucy

Doesn't that make all these books just a bit unite with the title running upon standing the books upright as Families Mayflower instead of Mayflower Families?? On the side they still read it that way, but as David says, upside down.? Now, if you turn the book over onto its face and lay it flat it reads right side up.? So what is the big deal about laying it on its back and it is upside down and laying it on its face and it is right side up.? No matter what they would have done, someone would notice and "complain" about the direction of the title on the spine.? Would it have created such a problem had it read Mayflower Families from top to bottom? I would suspect that the intention of the title was to read Mayflower Families when you lay the book on its face.? When you shelve the book, it reads Mayflower Families starting above the number which then creates the upside down effect when you place the book on its back. Christie Trapp -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-request@rootsweb.com To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00 am Subject: MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 129 Today's Topics: 1. Mayflower Society books (David E. Cann) 2. Re: Mayflower Society books (Linda Smith) 3. Re: Mayflower Society books (Janean Ray) 4. Re: Mayflower Society books (David E. Cann) 5. Re: Mayflower Society books (Janean Ray) 6. Re: Mayflower Society books (Lois Kortering) 7. Re: Mayflower Society books (Cinda Marsh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:16:04 -0400 From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> Subject: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: "Mayflower List Posting" <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9BDA24246F904E97A827BB720E177BE4@david> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am likely "stretching" the list topic a bit here, but I have noticed something that has really got me puzzled regarding the Mayflower Society's marvellous publications. I know that at least a few upper level folks in the society monitor this list, so maybe one of them can answer my silly question, on or off list. About two years ago I purchased volume 22 of the "silver books," which of course covers Gov. William Bradford. I think maybe 20 years of genealogy has made me too much of a stickler for details, but I noticed right away that the information printed on the spine was upside down. If you notice with almost any book, unless the information is printed vertically, the spine is normally printed so that if you lay the book down flat on the BACK cover the information is readable from left to right and right side up. With the Bradford book it was upside down. No big deal, really, I just assumed a printing error discovered after publication and went on enjoying the book. Last week I ordered all four of the Brewster "pink books," and low and behold they are ALL FOUR printed just like the Bradford book, with the spine supposedly printed upside down. So much for my theory that the Bradford book was printed that way as a fluke, or a one-time error. Now, I am wondering if all the books are printed that way, and if so, why? Can anyone out there give me an answer, without making a guess? The books are great otherwise, and I have no intention of going further with this, but I think my darned genealogist's natural curiousity and desire to find answers is getting the better of me. If anyone knows the answer to this mystery, I'd appreciate hearing from you. :-) David E. Cann decann@plymouthcolony.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:03:08 -0500 From: Linda Smith <smit8698@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <48EEA9CC.90800@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) David E. Cann wrote: > I am likely "stretching" the list topic a bit here, but I have noticed > something that has really got me puzzled regarding the Mayflower Society's > marvellous publications. I know that at least a few upper level folks in > the society monitor this list, so maybe one of them can answer my silly > question, on or off list. > > About two years ago I purchased volume 22 of the "silver books," which of > course covers Gov. William Bradford. I think maybe 20 years of genealogy > has made me too much of a stickler for details, but I noticed right away > that the information printed on the spine was upside down. If you notice > with almost any book, unless the information is printed vertically, the > spine is normally printed so that if you lay the book down flat on the BACK > cover the information is readable from left to right and right side up. > With the Bradford book it was upside down. No big deal, really, I just > assumed a printing error discovered after publication and went on enjoying > the book. > > Last week I ordered all four of the Brewster "pink books," and low and > behold they are ALL FOUR printed just like the Bradford book, with the spine > supposedly printed upside down. So much for my theory that the Bradford > book was printed that way as a fluke, or a one-time error. Now, I am > wondering if all the books are printed that way, and if so, why? Can anyone > out there give me an answer, without making a guess? The books are great > otherwise, and I have no intention of going further with this, but I think > my darned genealogist's natural curiousity and desire to find answers is > getting the better of me. > > If anyone knows the answer to this mystery, I'd appreciate hearing from you. > :-) > > > David E. Cann > decann@plymouthcolony.net > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:37:47 -0400 From: "Janean Ray" <jray38@neo.rr.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2CD3B266305948439500ADA099F1FE45@owner518b33bbd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have the Allerton silver book and it is upside down. I'm looking at it in my shelf with all my other books with the titles starting from top to bottom, not the reverse as David indicates. Never noticed it but it is strange. Hmm Janean -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:03 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) David E. Cann wrote: > I am likely "stretching" the list topic a bit here, but I have noticed > something that has re ally got me puzzled regarding the Mayflower Society's > marvellous publications. I know that at least a few upper level folks in > the society monitor this list, so maybe one of them can answer my silly > question, on or off list. > > About two years ago I purchased volume 22 of the "silver books," which of > course covers Gov. William Bradford. I think maybe 20 years of genealogy > has made me too much of a stickler for details, but I noticed right away > that the information printed on the spine was upside down. If you notice > with almost any book, unless the information is printed vertically, the > spine is normally printed so that if you lay the book down flat on the BACK > cover the information is readable from left to right and right side up. > With the Bradford book it was upside down. No big deal, really, I just > assumed a printing error discovered after publication and went on enjoying > the book. > > Last week I ordered all four of the Brewster "pink books," and low and > behold they are ALL FOUR printed just like the Bradford book, with the spine > supposedly printed upside down. So much for my theory that the Bradford > book was printed that way as a fluke, or a one-time error. Now, I am > wondering if all the books are printed that way, and if so, why? Can anyone > out there give me an answer, without making a guess? The books are great > otherwise, and I have no intention of going further with this, but I think > my darned genealogist's natural curiousity and desire to find answers is > getting the better of me. > > If anyone knows the answer to this mystery, I'd appreciate hearing from you. > :-) > > > David E. Cann > decann@plymouthcolony.net > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:27:10 -0400 From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0B07EF2671E2425AAEFBEF9DBA8D23A0@david> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:03 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:34:24 -0400 From: "Janean Ray" <jray38@neo.rr.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3330FE95961941E092843AABA2B8CF57@owner518b33bbd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You lost me there All my books are like you said. If you lay them on their back they read left to right..... OR if standing top to bottom. The Mayflower book you would have to lay it on it's face in order to read it from left to right. But as you began this...... it's way off topic. Hopefully someone can answer this mystery. -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsw eb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Cann Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:27 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:03 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:21:45 -0400 From: "Lois Kortering" <lekort@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7D3AAC956373404B9316CD297C31FE62@lois326ea15853> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original David wrote: > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) David and List, My first silver book was the large Stephen Hopkins volume, and not many months later, I ordered and received the three Richard Warren books. I noticed it, immediately, when I received the Hopkins book, so when the Warren books came that way, I told myself a joke: "Well, it must be that the publisher has "wry " neck!" Obviously, the publisher has no problem cocking his or her neck to the left. Unfortunately, I cannot cock my head to the left! If I were to put the books on the shelf so that the printing on the spine reads from top to bottom like all of the dozens of normal books in our book case, then the pages inside would be upside down when I took the book off the shelf and opened it! Hm-m-m, Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Cinda Marsh <cindam80501@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <564170.92947.qm@web51708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't dare post anything remotely resembling this line of interest on one of Mr. Cann's 100+ lists, or you'll be unsub'd and the rest of the list reprimanded. What's good for the goose, Mr. Cann, is certainly good for the gander. No wonder so many of the lists you usurp fail miserably, and oh so quickly. Cinda --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Lois Kortering <lekort@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Lois Kortering <lekort@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:21 PM > David wrote: > > > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the > bookshelf. If the > > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) > > > David and List, > > My first silver book was the large Stephen Hopkins volume, > and not many > months later, I ordered and received the three Richard > Warren books. I > noticed it, immediately, when I received the Hopkins book, > so when the > Warren books came that way, I told myself a joke: > "Well, it must be that > the publisher has "wry" neck!" > > Obviously, the publisher has no problem cocking his or her > neck to the left. > Unfortunately, I cannot cock my head to the left! If I > were to put the > books on the shelf so that the printing on the spine reads > from top to > bottom like all of the dozens of normal books in our book > case, then the > pages inside would be upside down when I took the book off > the shelf and > opened it! > > Hm-m-m, > > Lois Kortering > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David E. Cann" > <decann@infionline.net> > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > > > > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the > bookshelf. If the > > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) > > > > > > David E. Cann > > decann@infionline.net > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by > visiting the FAQ page for this list at: > http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the MAYFLOWER list administrator, send an email to MAYFLOWER-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Mmmmmm, Now that you guys have mentioned it, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Otherwise, I guess I hadn't noticed before. It is the only book that is that way, interesting. Jerrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Kortering" <lekort@comcast.net> Lois wrote: > My first silver book was the large Stephen Hopkins volume, and not many > months later, I ordered and received the three Richard Warren books. I > noticed it, immediately, when I received the Hopkins book, so when the > Warren books came that way, I told myself a joke: "Well, it must be that > the publisher has "wry" neck!"

I have 3 pink books. Henry Samson from 1995 and William Brewster from 1997 are "upside down". I have a William Brewster 5th generation (Jonathan) from 1999 and it is the right way. Lucy

David wrote: > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) David and List, My first silver book was the large Stephen Hopkins volume, and not many months later, I ordered and received the three Richard Warren books. I noticed it, immediately, when I received the Hopkins book, so when the Warren books came that way, I told myself a joke: "Well, it must be that the publisher has "wry" neck!" Obviously, the publisher has no problem cocking his or her neck to the left. Unfortunately, I cannot cock my head to the left! If I were to put the books on the shelf so that the printing on the spine reads from top to bottom like all of the dozens of normal books in our book case, then the pages inside would be upside down when I took the book off the shelf and opened it! Hm-m-m, Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infionline.net> To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) > > > David E. Cann > decann@infionline.net

Don't dare post anything remotely resembling this line of interest on one of Mr. Cann's 100+ lists, or you'll be unsub'd and the rest of the list reprimanded. What's good for the goose, Mr. Cann, is certainly good for the gander. No wonder so many of the lists you usurp fail miserably, and oh so quickly. Cinda --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Lois Kortering <lekort@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Lois Kortering <lekort@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > To: mayflower@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:21 PM > David wrote: > > > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the > bookshelf. If the > > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) > > > David and List, > > My first silver book was the large Stephen Hopkins volume, > and not many > months later, I ordered and received the three Richard > Warren books. I > noticed it, immediately, when I received the Hopkins book, > so when the > Warren books came that way, I told myself a joke: > "Well, it must be that > the publisher has "wry" neck!" > > Obviously, the publisher has no problem cocking his or her > neck to the left. > Unfortunately, I cannot cock my head to the left! If I > were to put the > books on the shelf so that the printing on the spine reads > from top to > bottom like all of the dozens of normal books in our book > case, then the > pages inside would be upside down when I took the book off > the shelf and > opened it! > > Hm-m-m, > > Lois Kortering > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David E. Cann" > <decann@infionline.net> > To: <mayflower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books > > > > And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the > bookshelf. If the > > spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) > > > > > > David E. Cann > > decann@infionline.net > > > Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by > visiting the FAQ page for this list at: > http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

You lost me there All my books are like you said. If you lay them on their back they read left to right..... OR if standing top to bottom. The Mayflower book you would have to lay it on it's face in order to read it from left to right. But as you began this...... it's way off topic. Hopefully someone can answer this mystery. -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David E. Cann Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:27 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books And maybe your books themselves are upside down on the bookshelf. If the spine reads like other books, I bet they are. :-) David E. Cann decann@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mayflower-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:03 PM To: mayflower@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Society books David, I have the Bradford book and the Brewster pink books. Mine are not upside down. They are 'normal'. Maybe you're just lucky??? :) Frequently-asked questions may often be answered by visiting the FAQ page for this list at: http://www.craigrich.net/mayfaq.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1715 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:19 PM