On 6 May 2002 06:25:50 -0600 acorn@naspa.net writes: > Stephen Hopkins and Mary ? > Constance Hopkins and Nicholas Snow > John Snow and Mary Smalley > Rebecca Snow and Benjamin Small > Rebecca Small and Joseph Woodworth > Joseph Woodworth (again) and Rebecca Wright MF5G Hopkins 1st edition confirms the first six generations, but names Rebecca Small's husband as Ebenerzer Woodworth, rather than Joseph. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

How funny that this would come up. I am reading David Hackett Fischer's Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America (which I highly recommend). Here is a passage from the section on Sussex (England) naming patterns and hortatory names. "A classic example was an unfortunate young woman named ffly fornication Bull, of Hailsham, Sussex, who was made pregnant in the shop of a yeoman improbably called Goodman Woodman." When I read last week I had never seen "ff" for a name beginning before and then it came up on this list. What timing! Julianne Fishell

Thanks so much for your reply. Here is my line. I believe I have each line documented from gen 5. I have excellent documentation from Mehitabel Adams/Miles Jones down to myself. Just wondering if there is a member application from James Chilton to Mehitabel Adams, just in case I need it. James Chilton - Isabelle Chilton m. Roger Chandler - Sarah Chandler m. Solomon Leonard - Samuel Leonard m. Abigail Wood - Mercy Leonard m. Richard Adams - Richard Adams m. Susanna Preston - Samuel Adams m. Sarah Clark - Mehitabel Adams m. Miles Jones Note: Miles Jones was a Patriot whom I filed my DAR Application on which was accepted. Any reassurance is appreciated. Thanks, Judy

In a message dated 5/5/2002 10:04:09 PM Central Daylight Time, MAYFLOWER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > I saw on your > homepage that your ancestor William Elwell married a Mary Cobb. Have you > traced her Cobb line? John Howland's grandaughter Hope Chipman (daughter of > > his daughter, Hope) married Jonathan Cobb and many of their children and > grandchildren settled in Maine where Mary was born. I have Hope Chipman m. Jonathan Cobb in my database. The information on Jonathan Cobb came from a publication called, "The Pickwick-Curtis Ancestry of My Children" by Hazel Ash Pickwick and Harold Curtis Pickwick (Gunthwaite Daughters of the American Revolution, Franconia, New Hampshire. I own a copy of the first publication by Harold Curtis Pickwick and photocopied parts of this publication while visiting the DAR library in Washington. The information on Hope Chipman came from The Great Migration Begins. Carol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hopkins, Snow, Small, Woodworth Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/148 Message Board Post: I am working on my submission to the Society and would appreciate any help available on my line. Here is my information: Stephen Hopkins and Mary ? Constance Hopkins and Nicholas Snow John Snow and Mary Smalley Rebecca Snow and Benjamin Small Rebecca Small and Joseph Woodworth Joseph Woodworth (again) and Rebecca Wright Joseph Woodworth (3rd time) and Elizabeth Beatty John Woodworth and Rhoda Steeves Joseph W. Woodworth and Anne Clerke Charles E. Woodworth and Nina MacFarlane Florence B. Woodworth and Leo O. Moran Gilbert S. Moran and Joyce A. Larson Me. If anyone has already proven this line or has information to add, please contact me. Thank you!

On Sun, 5 May 2002 14:39:54 EDT Jfalcon5458@aol.com writes: > Could someone tell me if Obadiah Chase who married Susannah Knapp, > father > is Isaac chase who married Thankful maker who is related to Stephen > Hopkins > of the Mayflower? Jessie - I don't know what later editions say, but the first edition of MF5G Hopkins cites the Chase Genealogy for Obadiah's marriage to Susanna Knapp, and lists him with a question mark as a son of Isaac Chase and Thankful Maker (Mary Hopkins, Stephen, Giles, Stephen). Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Ellen - BTW, much of the information in my reply comes from "Men of the 'Fortune': Ford," by Robert S. Wakefield, The American Genealogist, v. 56, pp. 32-35. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Wilma, The double f spelling was common. "fford" means Ford. I recommend you read Robert Charles Anderson's _The Great Migration Begins, vol. 1, pp. 686-687. (He cites Florence Barclay 's article in TAG 42:35-42.) He says that William Ford of Marshfield was NOT part of the Plymouth Ford family. Kendall Mellem jimell@swbell.net

Hello. Could someone tell me if Obadiah Chase who married Susannah Knapp, father is Isaac chase who married Thankful maker who is related to Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower? Looking for proof that they were father and son. Jessie

Hi Linda, Pardon me while I "tailgate" onto your original message as I, too, have a Hope Howland line . I had just prepared my papers to send in but recently discovered this list and, like you, am hoping someone here might be able to tell me at what point the work has already been done "to" on this line, before mailing them in. Good luck with yours, too. Here's my line: John Howland & Elizabeth Tilley Hope Howland & John Chipman Elizabeth Chipman & Hosea Joyce Dorcas Joyce & Prence Howes Prince (Prence) Howes & Abigail Hallett Prince Howes & Lucene (Lucenia) Lee Betsey (Elizabeth) Howes and Josiah Jones William Jones & Sophronia Lee William Carlton Jones and Mary Denison Frederick Carlton Jones & Nellie Jane Smith Frederick William Jones & Lena Baker Wallace Frederick Jones & Marydale Dearth (my parents) Wendy Jones de Geofroy ----- Original Message ----- From: <CHWarwick@aol.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] My Line to John Howland > Linda (Warrick) Chesson

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Ellen Waradzin [mailto:ewaradzin293434MI@comcast.net] ***Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:31 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] The Name "fford" ***Was spelling of this type a common practice? Look here: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/letters1/oldhand/ff.htm

Hello All, Here is my line to John Howland. Please, I'd like to submit it to the Society but first woukd like to know which part/s I need to work on. Hopefully, someone out there will have already gotten in on this line. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give me. Sincerely, Linda (Warrick) Chesson John Howland m. Elizabeth Tilley Hope Howland m. John Chipman Hope Chipman m. John Huckins Mary Huckins m. Nathan Bassett William Bassett m. Anna Mayhew Nathan Bassett m. Martha Bassett Ira Bryant Bassett m. Louisa Cleveland Samuel Mayhew Bassett m. Sarah Jane Young Catherine Gertrude Bassett m. Lloyd Vernon Warrick Gilbert Lloyd Warrick m. Agnes Gillespie Brewer Linda Sue Warrick <----me

On Sun, 05 May 2002 11:30:49 -0400 Ellen Waradzin <ewaradzin293434MI@comcast.net> writes: > The 1627 Division of the Cattle... > Peeter Browne >Martha Browne > John fford > Martha fford... > Would one assume their last names to actually be "Ford"... Ellen - Their surname was indeed Ford - they were the surviving children of widow Martha (___) (Ford) Brown and her first husband, and the "Peeter Browne" and "Martha Browne" listed just before them were their stepfather and their mother Martha (___) (Ford) Brown died between the division of cattle on 22-May-1627 and about 1630 (2nd husband's 2nd marriage). She came with her son John Ford, daughter Martha Ford and probably her husband (she was in the late stages of pregnancy) on the Fortune in 1621. Her husband (___) Ford is not mentioned in Plymouth records. He probably was alive on 11-Dec-1621 when Edward Winslow referred to his wife in a letter as "Goodwife Ford." He died before the division of land about March 1623/4 when she was alloted land as "Widow Ford." The widow married 2nd about 1624-25 as his 1st wife Peter Brown of the Mayflower, who married 2nd about 1630 Mary (___). She had three children by her first husband: John Ford was born about 1617, presumably in England, and died between a record on 05-Jan-1640/1 and the list of those able to bear arms in 1643 (he is not listed therein). Martha Ford was born about 1619, presumably in England, died 20-Dec-1683 in her 64th year (Plymouth Church Records) and married 29-Oct-1640 (PCR) William Nelson (I am descended from their son John). They had four children. A son was born the night the Fortune landed (as mentioned in Winslow's letter referred to above) and died before the division of cattle on 22-May-1627 (he is not named therein). Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

According to "Some of the Descendants of William Chase or Roxbury and Yarmouth, Mass." compiled by George Walter Chamberlain, M.S., for John Carroll Chase and published in Genealogies of Rhode Island Families - From the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume I, as selected and introduced by Gary Boyd Roberts, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1989 - Obadiah Chase of Putnam County and Washington County, NY, b. 1743, d. 4 July 1799, aged 56 years and m. to Susannah Knapp, was the son of Isaac Chase (Isaac, John, William, William) of Putnam County NY who was b. at Yarmouth 28 March 1714, d. probably at Saratoga, NY. Isaac m. at Harwich 17 Nov 1737, Thankful Maker, daughter of John and Mary (Hopkins) Maker of Harwich. Isaac was purported to have had a second wife by whom he had two children, but it seems likely that Obadiah was son of Isaac and his first wife, Thankful, given the date of his birth and the fact that Isaac had nine children and Obadiah is listed as the second. Also, if you are, or become a member of the New England Historic and Genealogical Society at http://www.newenglandancestors.org/ you can search their data bases which include all volumes of the NEHGS Register 1847-1994 and the following: The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633 Massachusetts Soldiers in the Colonial Wars Legislators of the Massachusetts General Court, 1691-1780 Divided Hearts, Massachusetts Loyalists 1765-1790 Massachusetts Militia Companies and Officers in the Lexington Alarm Massachusetts Vital Records to 1850 Massachusetts Pension Judy Chace Needham

It was Ford. See the ffuler/Fuller combination in the same list. BJ Ellen Waradzin wrote: > "The eaight lot fell to Samuell ffuler & his company Joyned to him hiw wife > > Bridgett ffuler > Samuell ffuler Junior > Peeter Browne > Martha Browne > John fford > Martha fford > Anthony Anable > Jane Anable > hanah Anable > Thom Morton Senor (name crossed out) > Damaris Hopkins " > > I am interested in the names "Martha fford" and John fford". > > Would one assume their last names to actually be "Ford" or possibly "Safford" with the "Sa" missing? > > Was spelling of this type a common practice?

Dear Mayflower Enthusiasts, I recently read a book called "Plymouth Colony: Its History & People 1620 - 1691" by Eugene Aubrey Stratton, FASG, Former Historian General of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants (copyright 1986). On page 424, in the chapter entitled "The 1627 Division of the Cattle", it states: "The eaight lot fell to Samuell ffuler & his company Joyned to him hiw wife Bridgett ffuler Samuell ffuler Junior Peeter Browne Martha Browne John fford Martha fford Anthony Anable Jane Anable hanah Anable Thom Morton Senor (name crossed out) Damaris Hopkins " I am interested in the names "Martha fford" and John fford". Would one assume their last names to actually be "Ford" or possibly "Safford" with the "Sa" missing? Was spelling of this type a common practice? Any thoughts or facts would be appreciated. Ellen ewaradzin293434MI@comcast.net

This is what I have on the widow Ford, and her 4 children - 1. Martha FORD [the mother] SOURCE: Torrey's NE Marr prior 1700 p275; Part 2 Ford Ancestry in America 1620-1976 compiled by James Neil Van Alstine p5 e1; Charles Edward Banks "The English ancestry and Homes of the pilgrim fathers p117; Mourts Relation: A journal of the Pilgrims at Plymouth, MA p74; Pope's Pioneers of MA by Pope p74; Martha 1) ........ md1) William -1) Ford 1578-1621 md2) Peter 1) Brown (Mayflower) md2) Mary ................ NOTES: Martha Foord/Ford was widowed and came with her sons William, John and dau Martha on the "Fortune" in 1621..landing 11 Nov 1621; Martha gave birth to a son the first night she landed according to Banks..It has been written she was a widow...yet Banks believes her husband died soon after landing..(refer to her husbands notes) Perhaps he died at sea and that is why she is referred to as the widow Ford..(she was on the same ship as my 10th gf John Adams) Mourt in his journal says, "The widow Ford, whose husband died shortly before she left England..she had three children with her. Martha [widow FORD] md2) Peter Brown (the pilgrim) they had two children...she either died or returned to England bef 1627"..It is thought she died in Plymouth, her widower Peter md2) Mary......and had two more children. ~~~~~~~~~~ 2. WILLIAM 2) FORD [s/o Martha and brother of John 2) FORD] SOURCE: Torrey's NE mar prior 1700 p275; Part 2 Ford ancestry in America 1620-1976, compiled by James Neil Van Alstine p5 entry 1; Plymouth Colony bio sketches p293; Mourts relations, a journal of the Pilgrims of Plymouth p74; William 2), William -1) FORD / FOORD / FOORDE md Martha 1) ......... md2) Peter 1) BROWNE (Mayflower) md Anna 2), Anthony 1) EAMS NOTES: The name Ford was spelled Foorde/Foord/Forde and finally the common spelling of Ford. Wm was the immigrant b 1604..he arrived in NE on the "Fortune" with his widow mother Martha Ford, his bro John and sister Martha. The "Fortune" sighted Cape Cod 9 Nov 1621 she landed in New Plymouth 2 days later on the 11th of Nov. The "Fortune" was the next ship after the "Mayflower" to land in New Eng. William died 23 Sep 1676 in Marshfield, Plymouth Colony, MA. His name can be seen on a large monument dedicated to the founders of the City of Marshfield. The book "MARSHFIELD" is the autobiography of a Pilgrim town 1640-1940 by Joseph C Hager has some information on William Ford, Anthony Snow & Richard Warren; Wm Ford established the first mill on South River..town records 16 May 1659 it is recorded: Whereas the inhabitants have engaged them selves to Mr Edward, concerning the purchase of his house and land, and in reference to the premises one payment to be made at the latter end of this summer (1659), these parties doth engage to be responsible in said behalf to four barrels of beef. Anthony Snow..one barrel, William Ford sr ..one barrel, Thomas Doggett..one barrel,..24 Feb 1662...Edward Bumpis (town payer) at a town meeting agreed he should be relieved again, being in want of corn and there is eleven bushels and three pecks of corn which shall be paid at the mill to Wm Ford that he may dispense it to him according to his wants. A deed in 1819 has a certain Grist Mill standing in Marshfield commonly called "Fords Mill". The oldest cemetery is near the site of the first church off Webster St The Winslow burying Ground. All the first settlers are named here but some are not buried here..anong the names are: Anthony Snow and his wife Abigail, William Ford and his wife Anna (Eams) Ford. ~~~~~~~~~ 2. MARTHA 2) FORD d/o widow Martha - sister of William 2) and John 2) FORD SOURCE: Torrey's NE Marr prior 1700 p531; Plymouth Colony bio Sketches p292-3; Pioneers of MA by Pope p326; Martha 2), William -1) FORD md Martha 1) ........ md2) Peter 1) BROWNE (Mayflower passenger) md William NELSON NOTES: Martha md 20 Oct 1640 William Nelson who came to NE before 1636, they had: Joane b 28 Feb 1650 John William Martha who md a COBB In William's will probated 5 Mar 1679-80 he gives to his wife Martha, sons John and William, dau Martha Cobb. Martha's estate was taken 7 Mar 1683-4...where was dau Joane in 1679? ~~~~~~~~~ 2. JOHN 2) FORD SOURCE: Plymouth Colony bio Sketches p292-3; Passenger list for the "Fortune" found on the internet; John 2), William 1) Ford md Martha 1) ........ md2) Peter 1) Brown (Mayflower passenger) NOTES: John born 1606 came with his mother and elder bro wm and sister Martha on the "Fortune" landing in New Plymouth, MA 11 Nov 1621. ~~~~~~~~~ The baby born the night Martha and her 3 children arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts SOURCE: Plymouth colony Bio Sketches p 292-3; 2. Mr Ford 2), William -1) FORD md Martha 1) ...... md2) Peter 1) BROWNE (Mayflower) NOTES: This son was "delivered" soon after his mother Martha Foord his brothers William and John and his sister Martha Foord/Forde/Ford arrived 11 Nov 1621 on the "Fortune" from Eng...his father died just before the family left Eng or died on the voyage or died soon after arriving. ~~~~~~~~~~~ If I am incorrect on any of this, please let me know - Thanks Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com Dear Mayflower Enthusiasts, I recently read a book called "Plymouth Colony: Its History & People 1620 - 1691" by Eugene Aubrey Stratton, FASG, Former Historian General of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants (copyright 1986). On page 424, in the chapter entitled "The 1627 Division of the Cattle", it states: "The eaight lot fell to Samuell ffuler & his company Joyned to him hiw wife Bridgett ffuler Samuell ffuler Junior Peeter Browne Martha Browne John fford Martha fford Anthony Anable Jane Anable hanah Anable Thom Morton Senor (name crossed out) Damaris Hopkins " I am interested in the names "Martha fford" and John fford". Would one assume their last names to actually be "Ford" or possibly "Safford" with the "Sa" missing? Was spelling of this type a common practice? Any thoughts or facts would be appreciated. Ellen ewaradzin293434MI@comcast.net ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/

This is in response to the mention of no silver book for John Howland. Elizabeth White is the past editor of the Mayflower Quarterly, and has been the trustee/chairman/president of several other geneaological groups. She was asked by the Society many years ago to do this project with a projection of about five years to complete. At the time, this was acceptable. She is not working alone--Edwin Coles is currently working with her on volume three as he did for for vol. 1 & 2. Roberta Bratti has also assisted. Mrs. White's husband is an invalid now, so this has slowed things down as you can imagine. However, vol. 3, desc's of Hope is nearing completion. It is over 1000 pages! Compare that to vol. 1, desc's of John Jr--under 500 pages! Hope is near or at the top for the 10 Howland children for desc's. For years Mrs. White has been sending 3-8 page articles from the upcoming book on Hope's desc's for publication in the Howland Quarterly so some of the info is out there. (Please do not ask me to look up Hope info--the HQ's are not indexed--unfortunately. This is another project) It would be very difficult for someone to "start over" with desc's books for Howland. It would take alot of time just to catch up to the vast amount of knowledge Mrs. White has and to get up to speed. Any volunteers out there? I do NOT mean to sound harsh--I know you were not blaming her. I know the frustrations of waiting for genealogical material--none of us want to wait! Myself included!! Just please know this huge vol. is nearing completion. I have no dates yet. Please be patient. Gail Adams Editor of the Howland Quarterly

John, The Mayflower Society hasn't bothered to publish a silver book on John Howland's descendants. As far as I know there's only one genealogist, Elizabeth Pearson White, who's independently taken up the task, and intends to create a multivolume set (one book per each of John's ten children), but after a decade hasn't finished past the first two, John and Desire (not that I blame her, it's a lot of work). What I don't understand is why the Mayflower Society hasn't taken a more active role in ensuring these publications (hiring genealogists, overseeing and sponsoring research, etc.), but they obviously don't feel it's a priority. It seems to me that if they can do it for John Alden's huge family, then they can and should do the same for Howland's! I'm a descendant of John's daughter Hope, and have been waiting for ages. Maybe some representative from the Mayflower Society on this list can enlighten me on this matter? As far as your possible Howland-Elwell connection, I saw on your homepage that your ancestor William Elwell married a Mary Cobb. Have you traced her Cobb line? John Howland's grandaughter Hope Chipman (daughter of his daughter, Hope) married Jonathan Cobb and many of their children and grandchildren settled in Maine where Mary was born. Good luck! In a message dated 5/4/2002 8:13:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, father_john@hotmail.com writes: > I was told today by a cousin that my Elwell family (of Salem and then Maine) > connects to John Howland. > > Does anyone know if this is true and what the connection might be? I have > looked briefly at my database and cannot see where yet, but ... > > If true, this would be my 12th Mayflower ancestor. I would love to find > out. > > The quickest way to check would be to just see if there are Elwell names in > the Howland Silver book. If not, I will pursue other avenues. > > Thanks! > > And thank you all for the kind words of congratulations for the membership > I > was awarded for my Brewster connection. > > Blessings, > Father John >

I'd like to thank everyone who has responded, it's been a big help! I had no idea there were 2 Robert Bartletts, but that certainly clears things up.