This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/154.1 Message Board Post: You asked: I have found a few papers in local history books saying that my ggg Elijah Sortor Gurney is a descendant of Francis Cooke but I don't know if this is true. If you know anything I'd appreciate your help. This line has got me stuck. I can't find anything on Elijah Gurney's parents. I do know that Elijah was a state rep. for Missouri in the 1880s. Thanks, Cassie I don't know if Elijah is a Cooke descendant, but perhaps some census information could help you work back. In the 1920 census Elijah is listed in Caldwell Co., Kidder Twp., MO. He is 77, and has son Elijah, 46 in the household with him. I cannot read the name of Elijah S. Gurney's wife--it begins with M. Elijah and both his parents are said to be born in Ohio. In the 1850 census, Cuyahoga Co., Mayfield, OH is Elijah Gurney, age 8, in the household of A. H. Gurney (A.H. was there in 1840 as well) A. H. Gurney's name is almost unreadable in the 1850 census and he is not indexed at Ancestry--but he's there, age 37, born in Ohio. I don't know with certainty that this is your Elijah. There are also Reed, 13; Rebecca, 11; Isaac, 5; Charles, 2. There was an Elijah S. Gurney in C Company, 1st Ohio Light Art'y in the Civil War--enlisted 9 Sep. 1861--maybe there are records showing something useful.

ChristieTrapp wrote on May 15, 2002 21:47 | Here's another Howland question I found in the NEHGS 1961 article about Ezra | Perry's descendants. The comment made by the author under Nathan Perry's | info was that Lydia Hathaway, b. in 1785, d. 27 Feb 1822, dau of Jethro and | Judith (Howland) Hathaway and a descendant of John Howland of the Mayflower. | | Question: Can someone provide me with the line of descent, with vitals and | sources, for Judith Howland starting with John Howland down to her? | Obviously she is not listed in the index for the two published Howland books | to date so am curious as to which of John Howland's children she descends | from. | | The article also mentioned that Nathan and Lydia had six children, but none | were listed. | | Question: Can someone who is a descendant of these two bring the line | current by providing the names and dates for the six children? | | Christie Trapp Hi Christie, I have not found the John Howland connection but I do have the children of Nathan Perry and his wife Lydia Hathaway. Children are listed in "Perry - Long Genealogy 1646 - 1976," by Elwell H. Perry, and privately published ca 1975. It is available in through the LDS Library in microfilm format. The entry for Nathan Perry is on page 161 as follows: Nathan Perry (John 5, Timothy 4, Timothy 3, John 2, Ezra 1) Capt. Nathan born September 9, 1783 Sandwich, died January 15, prob. New Bedford. Married 1808 Lydia Hathaway, daughter of Jethro and Judith (Howland) Hathaway born 1785, died February 17, 1822 children of Nathan and Lydia Perry: Jane December 13, 1809 - married (1) Abner Norton (2) Wm. Hussey Edward Wing August 13, 1811 - married (1) Elizabeth paddock (2) J. Coffin William Howard June 23, 1813 - married Margaret Cooper Lydia Wing June 24, 1816 - married Capt. Elihu Gifford John Howland November 30, 1818 - married Harriet Potter Charles Hathaway September 8, 1821 - married Maria C Wieting Richard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: gurney, cooke Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/154 Message Board Post: I have found a few papers in local history books saying that my ggg Elijah Sortor Gurney is a descendant of Francis Cooke but I don't know if this is true. If you know anything I'd appreciate your help. This line has got me stuck. I can't find anything on Elijah Gurney's parents. I do know that Elijah was a state rep. for Missouri in the 1880s. Thanks, Cassie

Hi Christie, ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChristieTrapp@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:47 PM > Here's another Howland question I found in the NEHGS 1961 article about Ezra > Perry's descendants. The comment made by the author under Nathan Perry's > info was that Lydia Hathaway, b. in 1785, d. 27 Feb 1822, dau of Jethro and > Judith (Howland) Hathaway and a descendant of John Howland of the Mayflower. The above is from vol 116, p. 105, right? > Question: Can someone provide me with the line of descent, with vitals and > sources, for Judith Howland starting with John Howland down to her? A Brief Genealogical and Biographical History of Arthur, Henry, and John Howland and their Descendants... by Franklyn Howland, 1880, shows on p. 112 a Judith Howland "b. 9, 2, 1760; d. ___; m. Jethro Hathaway. Had: 1, Charles; 2, Lydia; 3, Judith; 4. Pardon." [Looking at other dates on that page, the format appears to be Day, Month, Year] This Judith is shown as a descendant of Henry, not John, Howland. The ascent back up to Henry is shown on p. 111: Gideon^5, Barnabas^4, Benjamin^3, Zoeth^2, Henry^1. Gideon (father of Judith above) was "born at Round Hills farm, Dartmouth, 29, 3, 1734; m. 25, 3, 1753, Sarah, dau. of Capt. Thomas and Judith Hicks, b. 13, 1, 1736, d. 9th mo., 1824. All his children are mentioned in his will." Regards, Howard

Here's another Howland question I found in the NEHGS 1961 article about Ezra Perry's descendants. The comment made by the author under Nathan Perry's info was that Lydia Hathaway, b. in 1785, d. 27 Feb 1822, dau of Jethro and Judith (Howland) Hathaway and a descendant of John Howland of the Mayflower. Question: Can someone provide me with the line of descent, with vitals and sources, for Judith Howland starting with John Howland down to her? Obviously she is not listed in the index for the two published Howland books to date so am curious as to which of John Howland's children she descends from. The article also mentioned that Nathan and Lydia had six children, but none were listed. Question: Can someone who is a descendant of these two bring the line current by providing the names and dates for the six children? Christie Trapp

In order to prove my DAR lineage, I need information on EDWARD MILLS and his father, JOHN MILLS. Edward was bp. 5 April. 1747, m. Hannah Avery 24 Dec. 1772, d. 7 Sept. 1781 at the Battle of Groton Heights, Fort Griswold, Groton, CT. I need photocopies of the following: MFIP Brewster 2:240 Groton Avery Clan 298 Griswold Church Records 1:263 Photocopies must cite author, title, date of publication, edition, and page numbers. I will gladly pay for any expenses incurred. Also, I need ANY information on JOHN MILLS. I have nothing at all on his VR. Thank you in advance. Emily

When are the Brewster and Bradford Silver Books going to be published?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/141.1.2.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Bridget - What is the title of the Stansfield book, and how old is it? I can try to find out about its reliability. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/141.1.2.3.1 Message Board Post: I came accross the information from an old geneology of Marion Stansfield who traced it from"Thos. Rogers of the Mayflower" What do you know about this book?Thanks for your help, Bridget

In a message dated 5/14/2002 3:34:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bridget1939@cs.com writes: > If you have the book on 5 generations of Thomas Rogers family could you > tell me if his son Richard(4th gen) I beleive, had a daughter Tamar? If so > was her full name Tamar Jane Rogers and who did she marry?( Ephrain Ireland > I hope) Thanks much > > There is a Richard born 1728 son of Ebenezer5 (John 4-3, Joseph 2, Thomas), but no children listed. That's all I could find. Charlie B

On 14 May 2002 13:31:50 -0600 Bridget1939@cs.com writes: > If you have the book on 5 generations of Thomas Rogers family could > you tell me if his son Richard(4th gen) I beleive, had a daughter > Tamar? If so was her full name Tamar Jane Rogers and who did she > marry?( Ephrain Ireland I hope) I don't have ready access to MF5G Rogers, but the other sources I have show the name Richard first appearing in the sixth generation, and none of the Richards shown in the sixth, seventh or eighth generations in my sources has a daughter Tamar or any name similar to Tamar. A soundex search of the NEHGR website found only one reference to Tamar Rogers - an 06-Oct-1819 marriage in Boston to John J. Crossby, both described as "Mullattoes, both of Boston." Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/141.1.2.3 Message Board Post: Sorry, I checked both the 5th gen and Mayflower families Index and can't find Tamar in either one.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/141.1.2.2 Message Board Post: There are only 2 Richard Rogers in the 5 gen. book, the first is a possible son iof Thomas, the second is Richard(6), (Ebenezer(5), John(4-3)), Joseph(2), Thomas(1)) b. Harwich, MA 17 May 1728. Since he's 6th generation there is no marriage or child data in the book. If you are a descendant of this particular Richard Rogers, then you're also a descendant of Pilgrim Stephen Hopkins through Ebenezer's wife, Hannah Cook.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/141.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Sorry, I don't have the book. I haven't established a connection to the Rogers name yet. Best wishes in your search.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/141.1.2 Message Board Post: If you have the book on 5 generations of Thomas Rogers family could you tell me if his son Richard(4th gen) I beleive, had a daughter Tamar? If so was her full name Tamar Jane Rogers and who did she marry?( Ephrain Ireland I hope) Thanks much

John Nelson, b. ca 1644 m. Lydia Bartlett (second husband). Lydia was the granddaughter of Richard Warren of the Mayflower. This John Nelson was the son of William Nelson and Martha (Ford) Nelson. Page 16 of Warren (MFIP or "Pink" booklet 1991) Robert Bartlett of the "Anne" by the Mayflower Society, 2000 page 9 also states that this John Nelson married Lydia Bartlett. Her birth is listed on page 2 as daughter of Roberth Bartlett and Mary Warren. I do not have a Rogers Mayflower volume so do not know if there is a connection between surnames Nelson and Rogers.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/153 Message Board Post: Does anyone have any information on Nelson family being related to the Warren's or Rogers of the Mayflower? Thanks Jessie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brewster, Perry, Conner, Turner, McComas, Akers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/152 Message Board Post: I have seen where several people have linked their Brewster family (using the same Ebenezer and Elizabeth as mine below) to the Mayflower but I can not seem to come up with the proof needed. I am beginning to wonder if they have connected the family correctly. I would appreciate any help. My Brewster line stops with Ebenezer Brewster b. 1770/73, d. 1848 in Tazwell VA. Married to Elizabeth Perry of Augusta County, VA. What I have seen is that my Ebenezer is the son of Comfort Brewster who is the son of Ebenezer Brewster(b. 1702/03) etc.....and traces back to William Brewster of the Mayflower. ????? Just wondered if anyone had any proof. Thank you.

I'm just beginning to research my direct line to Peter Browne of the Mayflower. Can anyone tell me if this line has been accepted? I'm new to the group, so I hope that I'm asking my question correctly. Peter Browne, b.abt. 1600, prob. England, m. Martha Unknown Ford (widow) Mary Browne, b. abt. 1626, m. Ephraim Tinkham, Plymouth Helkiah or Hezekiah Tinkham, b. Feb 8, 1655/6, Plymouth, m. Ruth Cooke Jacob Tinkham, b. June 15, 1691, m. Hannah Cobb, Nov 16, 1721 Jacob Tinkham, b. 1724, m. Lydia Dunham (Jacob Tinkham poss. Revol. War) Hannah Tinkham, b. May 1746 Pembroke, MA, m. Lt. William Curtis, Nov 17, 1768 in Pembroke (William Curtis = poss. Revol. War) Deacon James Curtis, b. Nov 25, 1773 Plymouth, MA, m. Jerusha Crooker, Sept 22, 1799, Newcastle, Maine Stoddard Curtis, b. June 14, 1802, Bristol, Maine, m. Priscilla (Prisilla) Chapman, April 8, 1824 Jerusha Curtis, b. Oct 8, 1825, Newcastle, Maine, m. (1) Jeremiah Erskine 1846; (2) John Lambert Erskine, 1879 Amariah C. Erskine, b. Sept 20, 1856, Alna, Maine; m. Clara Priscilla Curtis, January 7, 1883 Edith Ella Erskine, b. July 20, 1883, Newcastle, Maine, m. Fred Herbert Reed (my grandfather) Thank you for your help, Carol Reed Kennedy

On Sat, 11 May 2002 19:56:08 EDT ChristieTrapp@aol.com writes: > Mary Howland who married a Timothy Williamson... > > citation for volumes of the Mayflower Descendant which leads me to possibly > conclude that this Mary Howland is related to John Howland of the Mayflower... Christine - To add to Karen and Richard's replies, John Howland of the Mayflower was followed by his brothers Henry by 1633 and Arthur (Mary's father) by 1640. See: "Arthur Howland of Plymouth, Mass., His Wife Margaret (___) Walker, and Their Children" by Robert S. Wakefield and Robert M. Sherman, National Genealogical Society Quarterly, v. 71, pp. 84-93. "Henry Howland of Duxbury, Massachusetts, 1633, His Children and His Grandchildren" by Robert S. Wakefield and Robert M. Sherman, National Genealogical Society Quarterly, v. 75, pp. 105-116, 216-225. In articles about Plymouth Colony families you will frequently see citations of The Mayflower Descendant. This does not necessarily imply Mayflower descent for the person concerned. MD was not a magazine of compiled Mayflower genealogies, rather, it was a journal of primary sources. The town vital records published therein are especially frequently cited in other works. George Ernest Bowman, the founder and first editor of MD, published literal transcriptions of town records, a pattern which has been followed in VR volumes published in the last few decades. Literal transcriptions must be indexed and can be a bit more difficult to use than the alphabetized volumes published early in the last century by NEHGS, but they are generally preferred by researchers. In the literal transcriptions the births of a couple's children are frequently listed together, and other family relationships are often easier to distinguish in a literal transcription. Many clues found in a literal transcription can be lost in the alphabetized rearrangement. Also, the alternative sources cited in the alphabetized VRs may sometimes be a trap for the unwary (especially private records) Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA