Schani - BTW, the elder Kenelm Winslow was the brother of Pilgrims Edward and Gilbert, so Susanna Hayward's husband Josiah Winslow is not a Mayflower descendant. Two other brothers, John and Josiah, also came to America. Four of the brothers had descendants (Gilbert did not, as far as we know). Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Schani - There may be controversy on the Web, but I don't think there is much among scholars concerning Experience Mitchell's wives or children. Because son Thomas inherited Cooke land he and Elizabeth were Jane's children (I'm descended a couple of ways from Elizabeth through the Washburns). Hannah was born too late to be Jane's daughter. There is no proof who was the mother of Mary, Sarah, Jacob, Edward and John and as far as I know the GSMD does not accept those five as Cooke descendants (although some people believe that Mary was Jane's daughter). See: "Not All the Children of Experience Mitchell Are Mayflower Descendants," by Robert S. Wakefield, TAG, v. 59, pp. 28-31 "Comments on the Two Wives of Experience Mitchell of Plymouth, Mass.," by John B. Threlfall, NEHGR, v. 127, pp. 94-95 Sarah Mitchell m. before 23-Apr-1661 (MD 2:92) John Hayward (son of Thomas and Susanna Towne, and often called "John of the Plains" in Bridgewater records). Their son John Hayward m. about 1698 (MD 5:250) Susanna Edson (Samuel, Samuel, Thomas). Their daughter Sarah Hayward m. 1st 10-Jan-1721/2 (MD 16:186) Josiah Winslow (Josiah, Kenelm, Kenelm), and had 5 children by him. She m. 2nd 22-Jan-1745/6 (Bridgewater VR 2:394) Edward Wentworth (son of John and Martha). Since this is not my line I don't have primary source citations for all of it, but I could email what I have down to Sarah and Josiah Winslow. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Schani - MF5G Hopkins shows: Stephen Hopkins(1) m. (___) (___) Constance Hopkins(2) m. Nicholas Snow Jabez Snow(3) m. Elizabeth (___) Jabez Snow(4) m. Elizabeth Treat Jabez Snow(5) m. Elizabeth Paine (Elizabeth was second cousin to her husband and also a Hopkins descendant) Eastham VR and MD show their son, Capt. Jabez Snow(6), b. 19-Jun-1733. Savary's History of Annapolis County says that he moved to Ganville N. S. after 1761. MD shows: Jabez Snow(6) m. Elizabeth Doane The Doane Family shows: William Snow(7) b. 16-Sep-1763 Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Is anyone researching descendants of Richard More in Maine?

i am particularly interested in Francis Cooke's daughter Jane who married Experience Mitchell. Apparently she died quite young and Experience remarried a Mary ? ( last name not known). They had a daughter Sarah. i have been on a few Mayflower sites and there seems to be a lot of "controversy" on this particular marriage and the children. My preliminary research reveals that i am descended from this 2nd marriage of Experience Mitchell. there appears also to be a "debate" within the mayflower Society on this situation and its affect on whether you are a "true" Mayflower descendant. can anyone shed some new light on the above mentioned marriage and provide me with some sort of "concrete/reliable" information and also maybe their descendants. Apparently this Sarah marries a John hayward and the line contines down from there. There is a marriage eventually into the Winslow family .need more info here as well. any help would certainly be appreciated Schani Biermann, researching Winchester, Winslow and Morgan in the New England States, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick

Is anyone researching Edward Fuller through his son Matthew Fuller?

I have an "indirect" family connection to Nicholas Snow who married Constantia Hopkins, d/o Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower. As i trace my family history a gggg (?) grandson of Nicholas Snow married into my Winchester family of Nova Scotia, Canada in the early 1880's. I have Calnek's book on the "History of Annapolis County, NS" and he has a brief section on the descendants of Nicholas Snow, but I do not know how accurate it is. It goes from Nicholas to Jabez Snow to Jabez Snow again, then finally a Jabez Snow who married a Elizabeth Doane. They had a son William Snow who married a Margaret Quigley and thier son William Quigley Snow married a Rachael Winchester. Coincidentally Rachael's mother's maiden name was Winslow which can be traced back to Kenelm Winslow, bother of Edward Winslow of the Mayflower. is anyone researching this Snow line as it "moved" into Nova Scotia who can provide more detailed info to me? any help would be appreciated Schani Biermann, researching Winchester, Winslow and Morgan in the New England States, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick

Is anyone researching Edward Fuller through his son Matthew Fuller? Yes, I am - Here is my line - William -5) FULLER 1423/30-1492 md Ann ....... John -4) FULLER 1460-will proved 1511 md Alice .... William -3) FULLER 1483-1526 md Alice .... John -2) FULLER 1518-1559 md Ann COLLINGE c1523-bef 1559 Robert -1) FULLER 1548-1614 md Sarah DUNKHORN 1551/58-1584 Edward 1) FULLER 1575-1621 md Ann ........ 1581-1621 Matthew 2) FULLER 1603-1678 md Francis ..... 1607-1678 Samuel 3) FULLER 1634-1676 md Mary ...... Timothy 4) FULLER 1670-1748 md1) Sarah 2) GATES 1670-1712 md2) Mary 3) CHAMPION 1693-1770 [us] Thomas 5) FULLER 1726-1797 md Hannah 5) DIMMOCK 1728-1819 Mary 6) FULLER 1769-1860 md Asa 6) HAINES 1765-1849 Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com

Hi, folks Since some of you are talking about Eldridges, I'm wondering if any have encountered a Hannah Eldridge who married an Oliver Lewis (b. 1736, Farmington, CT; d. after 1760). I have no B/M/D dates or parents for Hannah, just the name. I haven't worked this line but am not averse to another Mayflower line falling into my lap. ;-) Anyone? Mark E. Dixon Wayne, PA

Hi Judy: I think I may see where there may be some confusion about a Mayflower connection through your Eldredge line. There is another Elnathan Eldredge, whose wife Dorothy Freeman was a MF descendant. This Elnathan is grandson of Jehosophat Eldredge, not his son Elnathan that married Hannah Kelley. I'm not familiar with Tabitha Eldred's line, so possibly the MF connection is through that family. "The other" Elnathan Eldredge's line of descent: 1 William Eldredge 1622 - 1679 +Ann Lumpkin Unknown - 1676 2 Jehosophat Eldredge 1658 - 1732 +Elizabeth Covell Unknown - 1755 3 Ebenezer Eldredge 1706/07 - 1797 +Deliverance Nickerson 1728 - 1808 4 Elnathan Eldredge 1746/47 - 1837 +Dorothy Freeman 1752 - 1825 I've had my line of descent for Dorothy Freeman approved by the MF Society and it is below. 1 William Brewster 1567 - 1644 +Mary - 1627 2 Patience Brewster 1600 - 1634 +Thomas Prence 1600 - 1673 3 Mercy Prence 1631 - 1711 +John Freeman 1627 - 1719 4 Thomas Freeman 1653 - 1715/16 +Rebecca Sparrow 1655 - 1739/40 5 Thomas Freeman 1676 - 1716/17 +Mary Smith 1685 - 1766 6 Thomas Freeman 1708 - 1766 +Dorothy Cole 1712 - 1782 7 Thomas Freeman 1731 - 1800 +Esther Ryder 1731 - 1802 8 Dorothy Freeman 1752 - 1825 Chris Chirokas Westford, Mass -----Original Message----- From: JudyGreyHorse@aol.com [mailto:JudyGreyHorse@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 2:16 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Eldredge/Eldridge Hi List, Re: my inquiry on the Eldredge/Brewster connection. I've had several helpful emails, and several questions of my Ann Rebecca Payne Eldredge's parents, so I thought I'd post them to the list, and maybe someone can help in pointing me in the right direction to get documentation.. Ann Rebecca Payne Eldredge was born on 18 Mar 1824 in Scituate to Samuel Austin Eldredge and Tabitha Eldred. When she was 17, she married Richmond Rufus White (or Wight). Samuel Austin Eldredge's parents were Humphrey Eldredge and Martha Austin. Humphrey Eldredge's line goes >Elnathan Jr. > Elnathan > Jehosophat > William. Tabitha Eldred's parents were Samuel Eldred and Rebecca Wilbur (Wilbore) These names also show up in Ann Eldredge's line: Tripp, Brownell, Burgess, Pearce, Richmond, and Wright. Any suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks! Judy Caswell > Earl Ellsworth Caswell > Irving Elsworth Caswell > Mary E. White > Samuel Eldridge White > Anne Rebecca Payne Eldredge ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .

Hi List, Re: my inquiry on the Eldredge/Brewster connection. I've had several helpful emails, and several questions of my Ann Rebecca Payne Eldredge's parents, so I thought I'd post them to the list, and maybe someone can help in pointing me in the right direction to get documentation.. Ann Rebecca Payne Eldredge was born on 18 Mar 1824 in Scituate to Samuel Austin Eldredge and Tabitha Eldred. When she was 17, she married Richmond Rufus White (or Wight). Samuel Austin Eldredge's parents were Humphrey Eldredge and Martha Austin. Humphrey Eldredge's line goes >Elnathan Jr. > Elnathan > Jehosophat > William. Tabitha Eldred's parents were Samuel Eldred and Rebecca Wilbur (Wilbore) These names also show up in Ann Eldredge's line: Tripp, Brownell, Burgess, Pearce, Richmond, and Wright. Any suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks! Judy Caswell > Earl Ellsworth Caswell > Irving Elsworth Caswell > Mary E. White > Samuel Eldridge White > Anne Rebecca Payne Eldredge

My family line goes down from John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley through the Chipmans. I've just discovered what appears to be a mistake in the line. Joseph Chipman born August 5, 1761 in CT is recorded as married to Amy E. Reed. It looks at this point like her name was actually Annie Reed, daughter of Peter Reed and Thankful Beecher. Does anyone know if the Society will care to make that name correction if it is proven? Thank you, Gayl

On Wed, 22 May 2002 21:31:43 -0500 "Carla and Jeff Leber" <lebrpack@dpc.net> writes: > Does anyone know which volume, if it exists, of the write up George > Soule or Richard Warren and their descendents in TAG? I have > recently been given information which I would like to confirm > stating I am a descendent of both of these men. Carla - Why TAG? Any articles there would be brief compared to the Five Generations books on those families. I don't have a collection of TAG here to check, but references to TAG in The Great Migration Begins include: John (2) Soule's 2nd marriage - TAG v. 15, pp. 165-167. Problems with the Five Generations Soule volume - TAG v. 57, pp. 57-58. The Children and Purported Children of Richard and Elizabeth (Warren) Church - TAG v.. 60, pp. 129-139. MFIP Warren cites TAG as a reference, but I don't know where in the 170 pages of that book the citations are. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Does anyone know which volume, if it exists, of the write up George Soule or Richard Warren and their descendents in TAG? I have recently been given information which I would like to confirm stating I am a descendent of both of these men. Carla

Hi, I'm new to the list and I'm wondering if anyone is researching the Eldridge/Eldredge family. My 3x grandmother was Ann Rebecca Payne Eldredge and it looks as though she might be related to the Eldridges and McClellans who can be traced back to William Brewster. Can anyone help me with later generations (1800s in Rhode Island) of Eldredges in this family? I'd like to prove (or disprove) this theory. Thanks Judy Caswell > Earl Ellsworth Caswell > Irving Elsworth Caswell > Mary E. White > Samuel Eldridge White > Anne Rebecca Payne Eldredge

Robert Charles Anderson has biographical sketches in GMB [available on paper, on CD, and online to subscribers of Ancestry.com or members of NEHGS] of the immigrant Winslow brothers. He includes some bibliographical information in which he says "From 1965 through 1970 John G. Hunt published seven short, intriguing articles on the Winslow family, examining the ancestry of the five brothers, both on the paternal and maternal sides [TAG 41:168-75, 42:52-55, 186-87, 43:239-41; NEHGR 121:25-29, 122:175-78, 124:182-83]. In 2000 Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, building on the work of Hunt, published a detailed analysis of "the identity of the wife or mother of Edward [Winslow]'s paternal grandfather, Kenelm Winslow of Kempsey, co. Worcester" [NEHGR 154:78-108]." Hunts's article, "The 'Mayflower' Winslows-- Yeomen or Gentlemen?", NEHGR 121:27 [available online to NEHGS members] quotes a passage from John Hutchins's _History and Antiquities of the County of Dorset_, 3rd ed., vol. 1,. p. 232. This passage quotes the memoirs of a grandson of Magdalen Winslow [a William Wake who became Archbishop of Canterbury--even good Separatists have a few black sheep], and in part reads," my grandmother...was the daughter of Edward Winslow, a Gentleman of a Good Family in Worcestershire, was born December 26th, 1604; her name was Magdalene. ...[she] dyed in my Father's House at Shapwick in Dorset, May 25th, 1693...buried in the Tomb of my Uncle Edward Wake at Charlton...five children [of this Magdalen, wife of William Wake, not Magdalen Oliver Winslow, wife of Edward]...Wm. Wake...Magdalen...Edward...Charles...and two others, Edward and Margaret." [I count six, but there are two Edwards, so I'm guessing one died and was not counted in the five.] Magdalen(e) Winslow Wake is the only child other than the five brothers who came to New England mentioned by Hunt--I don't know if that's all the known children of Edward and Magdalen Oliver Winslow, but I'm sure you'll get an answer from the list. ***-----Original Message----- ***From: Schani Biermann [mailto:ussenterprise@sasktel.net] ***Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:33 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] winslow *** *** ***preliminary research in my family tree indicates that i am descended ***(through marriage) from Kenelm Winslow, ***does anyone on the list have any info about Edward and Kenelm's ***brothers and ***sister who stayed in England and did NOT make the voyage to America.? *** ***a family database i have lists a sister, called Magdalene (probably named ***after her mother) who stayed in England ***Schani biermann, living in Western Canada

preliminary research in my family tree indicates that i am descended (through marriage) from Kenelm Winslow, brother to Edward Winslow, author of the Mayflower Compact. Kenlem came over on the "Anne" in 1620 , according to Caleb Johnson's Mayflower website does anyone on the list have any info about Edward and Kenelm's brothers and sister who stayed in England and did NOT make the voyage to America.? a family database i have lists a sister, called Magdalene (probably named after her mother) who stayed in England any help would be appreciated Schani biermann, living in Western Canada

On Tue, 21 May 2002 18:08:38 -0400 "Tammy Priolo" <ttpriolo@hotmail.com> writes: > Stephen Hopkins to Constance Hopkins to Mary Snow to > elisha Paine to Dorcas Paine to Leah Adams... Tammy - The line this far (and the marriage of Leah Adams to Isaiah Cain) is found in the standard reference on the family, Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Volume 6, Stephen Hopkins, published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants, the current printing is the third edition. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Hi: I have just come across some information that leads to Stephen Hopkins as one of my ancestors. He apparently come over on the Mayflower. My line apparently follows Stephen Hopkins to Constance Hopkins to Mary Snow to elisha Paine to Dorcas Paine to Leah Adams to John Cain to Ruggles Cain to John Cain to Elizabeth Laura Cain to Hazel Olive Latour my Grandmother. Does anyone else recognize these connections? If so can you tell me where to find the sources of these connections? I have sources from myself to John Cain Sr. Thanks for your time. Cheers Tammy Priolo ttpriolo@hotmail.com "May all your genealogical dreams come true!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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