This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161 Message Board Post: Hi all, We are working on genealogy for the family of Abel and Seth WHITE reported by some pedegree charts to be son and grandson of Nehemiah WHITE, of Peregrine WHITE's line. Are you aware of anything establishing a connection there? >From Nehemiah the road is clear to Perigrine (established in White's "Mayflower Families through Five Genrations, Vol 13" Soc of Mayflower Decendants, 1997, p. 39, 112), but it's a bit tougher for us to connect the dots from Seth (and Abel) to Nehemiah. A chart at http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:355535&id=I16150380 shows Seth as a son along with Nicholas and Philip (and Oliver WHITE b: 1 May 1759): -------------------------------------------------- 1. NEHEMIAH WHITE (ELEAZER, DANIEL, PEREGRINE, WILLIAM) was born February 14, 1712/13. Children of NEHEMIAH WHITE are: i. NICHOLAS WHITE, b. 1734. ii. PHILLIP WHITE, b. 1734. iii. SETH WHITE, b. 1737, Woodstock CT; d. 1825, Greenupsburg, KY. iv. OLIVER WHITE, b. May 01, 1759. Generation No. 2 2. SETH WHITE (NEHEMIAH, ELEAZER, DANIEL, PEREGRINE, WILLIAM) was born 1737 in Woodstock CT, and died 1825 in Greenupsburg, KY. Children of SETH WHITE are: i. SETH WHITE, b. 1757. ii. ABEL WHITE, b. 1758, VT; d. 1823, Greenup Co. KY. ---------------------------------------------------- Mayflower families definitely ruled out the sons Nicholas and Philip as his, but says nothing of Nehemiah. Also I've seen another case for the same Abel White coming from different parents based on an article "Abel White of Kentucky, Unrecorded Son of Nicholas and Sarah (King) White of Norton, MA?" (The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, published quarterly by The New England Historic Genealogical Society : JULY, 1994 - VOL. CXLVIII). I've just ordered it to review it personally. Not sure if that is the same Nicholas "Mayflower families" was talking about. Do you have any new insights? Hope you can help. Take care-- hope to hear from you-- Vic & Kathy Varis vic@psu-xa.org www.ciurlionis.net/varis

I've never heard of this online catalog, it sounds really helpful. Would you mind sharing the address? Thanks! chandler@firstva.com writes: > I looked at the FHL online catalog and birth records for that time in > Bucksport may not be available. Have you tried probate records, which they > do have, etc.? >

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Gary Richardson [mailto:grichardson@watercove.com] ***Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:06 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Hopkins in Bucksport, Maine *** *** ***Hi all, *** ***I'm wondering if anyone on this list has any info that might help me. I'm ***working on tracing my family back to Stephen Hopkins. I've been able to ***trace forward from Stephen and backwards from my Mom, and can't get any ***solid confirmation on one generation that'd link it all together. :-) *** ***Does anyone have any information on the following Hopkins ancester: *** ***Name: Francis A. Hopkins ***Birth date: May 26, 1844 ***Birth place: Bucksport, Maine *** ***Death date: February 9, 1874 *** ***Married to: Mary Louise Davidson (b. 1850), daughter of David ***Davidson and ***Mary Fowler Swett *** ***I'm having a difficult time getting any solid information on who ***Francis's ***parents were. I've got unconfirmed information that they may be ***Joel Hopkins ***(b. 1804) and either Eliza Kilby or Susan Boynton. Gary, you didn't tell us what you have looked at, so this may be something you know about and have accounted for. In the 1850 census there is no Francis in the household of Joel and Eliza. There is a Francis, age 6, in Bucksport in the household of William A. Hopkins, age 38, b. ME and Euphaime Hopkins, age 45, born MA. There is also a Charles, age 9. Both children were born in ME. Of course this may not be your Francis, and if it is this does not prove he is the son of William. I looked at the FHL online catalog and birth records for that time in Bucksport may not be available. Have you tried probate records, which they do have, etc.? Another curious detail which you may have an explanation for is that in the 1880 census there is a Mary L. Hopkins, age 29, widow, living in Cambridge, Middlesex Co., MA. She is perhaps in a boarding house--there are several people with different surnames in the household, but she is listed next to Jos. H. Davidson, 31. Joseph and Mary seem to be siblings--both are b. in ME, both have a father b. Prince Edward Island and mother b. ME. So this looks like Mary L. Davidson Hopkins. Do you know where her child(ren) might be? It's quite possible a grandparent or someone might be caring for the child(ren), but is it at all possible that she didn't have any?

Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone on this list has any info that might help me. I'm working on tracing my family back to Stephen Hopkins. I've been able to trace forward from Stephen and backwards from my Mom, and can't get any solid confirmation on one generation that'd link it all together. :-) Does anyone have any information on the following Hopkins ancester: Name: Francis A. Hopkins Birth date: May 26, 1844 Birth place: Bucksport, Maine Death date: February 9, 1874 Married to: Mary Louise Davidson (b. 1850), daughter of David Davidson and Mary Fowler Swett I'm having a difficult time getting any solid information on who Francis's parents were. I've got unconfirmed information that they may be Joel Hopkins (b. 1804) and either Eliza Kilby or Susan Boynton. Has anyone traced the the Hopkins family through Bucksport, Maine and, if so, do you have any information on Francis? Thanks so much for any help! -Gary

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Schani Biermann [mailto:ussenterprise@sasktel.net] ***Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:37 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Winslow papers *** *** ***does anyone have the book "the Winslow Papers" who could do a ***lookup for me. Hi Schani, You didn't give any bibliographical information, so I'm assuming that the book you have in mind is one edited by W. O. Raymond. [However "the Winslow Papers" could be a name given to a variety of collections in various libraries, so this might not be what you're looking for.] Books in Print says there is a reprint available from the publisher Best Books for just under $150. So it may be that this is not on the shelves of very many of us on the list. I hope someone has it for you, but if not there are a couple of other possibilities that come to my foggy old mind. It is held by the Allen County Public Library, and it is my understanding that it isn't too hard to find someone who will do lookups there for a fee. http://catalog.acpl.lib.in.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/sl8aWsLjDq/178920026/9 Probably a better bet--The NEHGS also has it, and they have a variety of research services--you could look at this page and see if anything would work for you: http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/services/ This is the book at NEHGS: http://www.newenglandancestors.org/libraries/sydneyplus.asp However, if you have a local Family History Center, you can rent a microfilm of the book at nominal cost, and look at the whole thing, not just copy of a page or so. This is from the online catalog of the Family History Library at the LDS site: "Title Winslow papers, A.D. 1776-1826 Authors Raymond, W. O. (William Odber) , 1853-1923 (Added Author) Winslow, Edward , 1746-1815 (Subject) Note Location Film Winslow papers, A.D. 1776-1826 FHL US/CAN Film 1414783 Microreproduction of original published: St. John, N.B. : Printed under the auspices of the New Brunswick Historical Society [by] Sun Print- ing, 1901. 732 p., [17] leaves of plates. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Includes index. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Includes Allen (Allan), Campbell, Carleton, Coffin, Leonard, Robinson and other families. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "The 'Winslow papers' will be found to shed much light upon the attitude of the Loyalists in the American Revolution and the circumstances that attended their settlement in the maritime provinces at the close of the war." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Edward Winslow (1595-1654), son of Edward and Magdalene Winslow, immi- grated from England to Plymouth, Massachusetts. Edward Winslow (1746 -1815), direct descendant in the fifth generation, immigrated as a Loyalist to Kingsclear, New Brunswick, where he became a judge in the provincial Supreme Court. About 150 of his letters are included in this work."

does anyone have the book "the Winslow Papers" who could do a lookup for me. does the book have an Index? I have a Winslow pedigree chart which has a notation at the bottom that the marriage of Hannah Winslow (d/o of John Hayward & Abigail (nee Fenno) Winslow) to Josiah Winchester is "documented" in this book. i understand that this book is well researched and obtains accurate information. i know this is a "secondary source" but have no "primary souces" at present time i would appreciate having the passage quoted where this marriage is mentioned. thanks in advance Schani Biermann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GRAHAM / EUSTACE / FOSTER / GEORGE / BOYD / JAMES / GASKINS / LEE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/160 Message Board Post: We need documents to prove the connection between John Shute EUSTACE and his father, Thomas EUSTACE and also documents to prove the connection between Thomas EUSTACE and his father, Isaac EUSTACE. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Velma Graham Finley

Hello Listers, Not too long ago there was a post from someone that listed the Lutheran Churches in the Chicago, Illinois area. I have lost it! If anyone has it, would you please send it to me privately or post it? Many, many thanks, Barbara scanbar@prodigy.net

Does anyone know if Susanna Washburn who married Stephen Paine in or around 1776 ( probably in Ct.) is a member of the Washburn's who are descendents of a Cooke?

Hi, how to you check adoptions, into linneage groups? Sometimes , especially if living the parent will not fess up to the linneage, and say there child is there's, instead of being adopted. aye Scott McKay

In a message dated 6/2/02 3:17:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MABCam@aol.com writes: > c) What would the likely whaling ports have been for someone who lived in > Yarmouth? > For another source of whaling info, you might also try the Whaling Museum in Sag Harbor, NY. My grandparents lived in Sag Harbor and so I spent a lot of time there when I was younger and still remember the jawbone of a whale that spans the threshold to the Whaling Museum...impressive! Probably not the port from which the Cape Cod whalers departed, but perhaps they stopped there. In its day, it was a major whaling center, helping as well to inspire the likes of Herman Melville in his writing of Moby Dick. Kathy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself...but I think I have a right to object to libelous statements about my dog." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt Check out my genealogy web pages! http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/f/e/n/K-Fenton/index.html ~AND~ http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=twigsandbranches Recycle yourself! Tell someone you want to be an organ and tissue donor!

Good Evening Mignon; I think you have one remaining question. Yarmouth was a major ship building site in those days and up to the days of steam. I think you need to correspond with the Yarmouth Library. Your Captain Paddock was more likely a Captain on a trading vessel or fishing boat. Yarmouth was the building site of a lot of the great Clipper Ships. Sorry I can not be of more help, I think it is a better place to look first, I could be wrong, but many of the whaling Captains built their homes right here in New Bedford. Light in brain just went on, why not give the Whaling Museum a call, ask if they have a Captain Judah Paddock . Nice people at the Museum 508 997-6011 and in Wareham Captain Kendrick Maritime Museum 508 291-2274 Yarmouth Historical Society http://hsoy.org/ 508.362.3021 slainte' Bill http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/l/William-G-Hall/index html?Welcome14260587

In a message dated 6/2/02 7:35:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harlowc@hotmail.com writes: << "Finally, Alice Alden, Constant's granddaughter (and she IS on-topic, because her father, David Alden, was a son of John & Priscilla) married Captain Judah Paddock (1681-1770). I had thought Judah was a militia captain until I read somewhere that he was a whaling captain. He and Alice lived in Yarmouth during their marriage, and she was buried in Dennis - isn't that on Cape Cod? (apologies for not being a New Englander!) " >> and for about 375 *other* sites....use google ( http://www.google.com ) Put "judah paddock" (all in lower case and *with* the quotes in the search box..... The lower case allows the search engine to pick up all the sites, even those with the name in caps and the quotes keeps the names together so that you don't get all the pages with just judah or just paddock. Have fun, Dianne

Dear Muriel, Nice data base---Thanks for posting URL. Have a great evening. Cheers, Bob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/159.1 Message Board Post: You asked: "First, what was an "assistant" in Plymouth Colony?" This is from H. Roger King_Cape Cod and Plymouth Colony in the Seventeenth Century_(Lanham, MD, University Press of America, Inc. 1994) p. 147 "In 1636 the General Court established there would be seven Assistants chosen along with the Governor at the annual Court of Election in June. Together these eight men comprised the Court of Assistants." [with the Governor having two votes and the others one each] The function of the Court of Assistant's varied over time. George D. Langdon, Jr., in _Pilgrim Colony: A History of New Plymouth 1620-1691_(New Haven, Yale University Press, 1966) p. 201, writes, " When Thomas Hinkley succeeded Josias Winslow in June 1681, the general Court was the effective governing instrument over all matters which seemed to have colony-wide application. Of much less significance was the Court of Assistants; once without statuatory limitation to its power, this court, by the time Hinkley became governor, was principally a court for the settlement of civil suits in excess of forty shillings and for trial of major crimes." The shift of power away from the Court of Assistants seems to have had to do with the general shift of power from the original core of separatist settlers to a broader, more diverse population. "Second, Constant Southworth is sometimes called "ensign". Would that have been ensign of the militia?" Yes. From Nathaniel B.Shurtleff, _Records of the Colony of New Plymouth_( reprint New York, AMS Press, 1968) 2:105 ( July 7, 1646) "Constant Southworth is allowed by the Court to be ensigne bearrer of Duxborrow company." "Finally, Alice Alden, Constant's granddaughter (and she IS on-topic, because her father, David Alden, was a son of John & Priscilla) married Captain Judah Paddock (1681-1770). I had thought Judah was a militia captain until I read somewhere that he was a whaling captain. He and Alice lived in Yarmouth during their marriage, and she was buried in Dennis - isn't that on Cape Cod? (apologies for not being a New Englander!) " Here are two sites with pictures of the gravestone of Judah Paddock and others in the family. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7401/cemetery.html http://www.capecodgravestones.com/dennispad.html Dennis is on Cape Cod. There's actually a bed & breakfast in East Dennis called the Captain Judah Paddock House. I'm not sure that not being a New Englander is forgivable though. I'm sorry, I don't know if Judah was a whaling captain--here's a URL for one superb whaling museum recently merged with another, the Kendall Whaling Museum. The Kendall Museum was a short walk from the house I grew up in. Naturally I never visited it. http://www.whalingmuseum.org/

I suspect that anyone living in Yarmouth would sail out of New Bedford or Fall River but many also sailed out of Boston. Perhaps the site below will help you. This is a great site for anyone looking for crew members that sailed on the whaling ships and in some instances gives a description of them and their rank. click on Whaling and crew lists at top of left hand menu. good luck. The New Bedford Free Library has an internet listing of Whale Ship Crews. The library is only two blocks from the Whaling Museum. http://www.ci.new-bedford.ma.us/services/library/library2.htm Muriel FLorida

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SOUTHWORTH, ALDEN, PADDOCK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/159 Message Board Post: This is a bit off-topic, since my subject, Constant Southworth, came to the Plymouth Colony probably in 1828, eight years after the Mayflower, but you're all so knowledgeable that I hope someone can answer my questions: First, what was an "assistant" in Plymouth Colony? Constant Southworth was appointed Assistant for the latter years of his life, and I've seen deeds of gift or property that were sworn before him, so it must have been somet kind of court position -- but assistant-what? Second, Constant Southworth is sometimes called "ensign". Would that have been ensign of the militia? Finally, Alice Alden, Constant's granddaughter (and she IS on-topic, because her father, David Alden, was a son of John & Priscilla) married Captain Judah Paddock (1681-1770). I had thought Judah was a militia captain until I read somewhere that he was a whaling captain. He and Alice lived in Yarmouth during their marriage, and she was buried in Dennis - isn't that on Cape Cod? (apologies for not being a New Englander!) My whaling questions are these: a) What sources of information describe 17th & early 18th century New England whaling -- and is are they accessible via Internet? b) Where could I confirm that Judah Paddock actually was a whaling skipper? c) What would the likely whaling ports have been for someone who lived in Yarmouth? I hope these questions are of enough general interest to prompt some kind souls out there to answer them. Thanks and regards, Mignon Cameron (MABCam@aol.com) P.S. Please email directly if you like.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/158 Message Board Post: The Olive Tree Genealogy pages have searchable databases for US and Canadian soldiers: http://olivetreegenealogy.com/mil/index.shtml

Posted to soc.genealogy.medieval: Subject: Death of Robert Wakefield From: <A HREF="mailto:reedpcgen@aol.com ">reedpcgen@aol.com </A> (Reedpcgen) Date: 6/2/02 12:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: <20020602003508.06794.00002722@mb-mq.aol.com> I wanted to let members of the group know that Bob Wakefield, a specialist in Mayflower and New England origins, has passed away. He was an extraordinarily careful researcher. His presence in genealogy will be missed.

This sounds like a good question to post to the genealogy-medieval list, where the royal ancestry of immigrants is frequently discussed. I've seen the same pedigrees, but doubt their authenticity because what is known about Francis (being a carpenter, leaving a small estate and the like) doesn't square too well with being the son of a governor, etc. But, who knows... T0Leo@aol.com writes: > This may be a bit off topic, but in researching possible Mayflower lines I > have come across a descent from Peter West of Duxbury (b. 1648; d. 1720), > son > of Francis WEST and Margery REEVES. > > It is widely claimed in pedigrees on RootsWeb that Francis WEST was a son > of > Francis WEST, Colonial Governor of Virginia, and grandson of Thomas WEST, > 3rd Lord Delaware. Has this relationship been proven, or is it wishful > thinking on the part of many people? > > Thanks, > Len >