You can get the Alden-Mullins info here. http://www.alden.org/genealogy/index.html TTYS, Dawn Green

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:47:42 -0400 "BA Young" <scanbar@prodigy.net> writes: > I am trying to reconstruct my grandmother's Pilgrim genealogy which > was stolen from her home. Barbara - I'll sit down with your list this weekend for a close look and see what references I can suggest. I did notice one error that isn't really germane to Mayflower descent but which has persisted in print and on the web: > SAMPSON, Abraham (1) arrived 1629 brother of Mayflower Pilgrim > HenrySAMPSON After quite a bit of reading about these two (although I have no known descent from either) I have found nothing to convince me of a provable relationship between Henry Samson and Abraham Sampson. (Note to those new to these two families - the surnames of these two distinct families are generally, but not always, spelled in records the way I spelled them here). I think I can safely say that it is generally accepted that Henry was baptized in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England on 15-Jan-1603/04. See "English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper" by Robert Leigh Ward, The American Genealogist, v. 52, pp. 198-208. The evidence presented there showing the origins of the Mayflower passengers bearing those three surnames is, I believe, absolutely convincing. The records cited in that article explain the relationship between Edward and Ann Tilley and the "cousins" (as Bradford wrote) that they brought with them on the Mayflower, the children Henry Samson and Humility Cooper (Cowper). On 14-Aug-1614 in the nearby parish of Campton, Bedfordshire, Henry's first cousin Abraham Samson was baptized. This was possibly the immigrant Abraham Sampson of Duxbury. I have seen no evidence to contraindicate that possibility, but I have seen no evidence that establishes that the Campton Abraham was indeed the immigrant. For additional discussions of the Bedfordshire Samsons and of Abraham and his descendants see "The Early Sampsons" by Mrs. John E. (Rachel) Barclay, The American Genealogist, v. 28, pp. 1-11; "Henry Sampson's Paternal Grandfather" by Robert Leigh Ward, The American Genealogist, v. 56, pp. 141-143; and "The Daughters of Abraham(1) Sampson (born 1614?) of Duxbury MA" by Robert S. Wakefield, The American Genealogist, v. 63, pp. 207-210. As a side note, a great-great-granddaughter of Abraham was Deborah Sampson who disguised herself as a man and fought in the Revolutionary War as "Private Robert Shurtleff." She was aided in receiving a soldier's pension by Paul Revere. A number of articles have been written about Deborah. For starters I suggest "The Saga of 'Private Shurtleff': A Mayflower Connection with a Twist" by Robert C. Thompson, The Mayflower Quarterly, v. 65, pp. 265-268; as well as an article about her father, "The Secret Life of Jonathan Sampson" by Barbara Lambert Merrick, The Mayflower Quarterly, v. 48, pp. 172-177. Deborah Sampson was also a descendant of William Bradford, Myles Standish and John Alden. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Barbara, Go to the following site and follow the instructions on how to send 5.00 to the Mayflower Society along with what you think your line might be and they will check to see if someone else has proven any part of the line and will send you a copy with the sources for your own line. It worked for me! http://www.sail1620.org/society/membership/lineage.html Priscilla

Hello Listers, I am trying to reconstruct my grandmother's Pilgrim genealogy which was stolen from her home. I will start with: CHANDLER, Nathaniel Lewis., b. Dec 24,1803, Duxbury,MA; Married Sally W. SAMPSON in 1827.I believe she was the daughter of Perez H.SAMPSON and Sally (WESTON) CHANDLER, Asa, b Nov 10, 1771, Duxbury,MA, father of above Nathaniel, married Dianna SIMMONS of Kingston, MA. CHANDLER, Asa, b 1738, Duxbury, MA; married Martha (DELANO), father of the above Asa. CHANDLER, Phillip, b 1702, Duxbury,MA mareried Rebecca (PHILLIPS) father of above Asa CHANDLER, Joseph,DUxbury, MA** married Martha (HUNT) father of above Phillip CHANDLER, Joseph,Duxbury, MA; married Mercy ( In one place I saw her as Mercy Standish but I haven't found anything to verify that) father of above Joseph CHANDLER, Edmund, immigrated 1633 Duxbury,MA ***************************************************************************************** This is where I get very confused <grin> ***************************************************************************************** CHANDLER, Benjamin, brother of Joseph(1) and son of above Edmund, married Elizabeth Buck and had daughter Keturah. CHANDLER, Keturah married Abraham(3) SAMPSON SAMPSON,Abraham(3), son of Abraham(2) and Lorah STANDISH SAMPSON, Abraham(2) son of Abraham(1) SAMPSON and ____Nash SAMPSON, Abraham (1) arrived 1629 brother of Mayflower Pilgrim HenrySAMPSON STANDISH, Lorah above wife of Abraham(30 was the daughter of Alexander STANDISH and Sarah (ALDEN) STANDISH, Alexander , son of Myles Standish and Barbara_____ STANDISH, Mylies - MAYFLOWER Pilgrim ALDEN, Sarah above wife of Alexander STANDISH, daughter of John ALDEN and Priscilla MULLINS both of whom were MAYFLOWER Pilgrims ****************************************************************************************** STANDISH, Mercy and Lydia were sisters of above Lorah. All three married SAMPSON's and I believe Mercy married Caleb SAMPSON, son of Henry SAMPSON and Ann (PLUMMER) and Lydia married Issac SAMPSON brother of above Abraham (3) ****************************************************************************************** SIMMONS, Moses - married Rachel SAMPSON daughter of above Caleb SAMPSON ****************************************************************************************** I am trying to connect the ALDEN's, STANDISH's, SIMMONS', SAMPSON's etc to the Nathaniel Lewis CHANDLER and Sally W. (SAMPSON) mentioned at the start of this. If you are confused.... I know what you are going through<grin> Thanks for any help you can give me. Barbara

I have re-read my post and I am sorry that I didn't make myself more clear. I have reason to think that some of my relatives may have been members of the Mayflower Society and if there was a list of members,, I would recognize the names of my relatives and is it possible to use their information for my membership and expand the lineage as required? Among the names would probably be CHANDLER, HUNT, DELANO,HOWLAND, among others. Barbara

I am pretty sure I have ancestors of several Mayflower Families. Is there a list of approved lineage that I could use and I could pick up from where my line may diverge ? Thank you Barbara (ALDEN,STANDISH,SIMMONS,SAMPSON, and others}

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/164.1 Message Board Post: I don't know about Francis Cooke, but my GURNEYS descend from Isaac ALLERTON'S daughter, Remember, who married Moses Maverick. Their daughter, Remember Maverick, married Edward Woodman. Their daughter Remember Woodman m. Thomas Perkins. Their daughter, Mary Perkins of Hingham, Massachusetts, b. 27 Mar 1700, m. 10 June 1718, Joseph GURNEY, b. 7 Mar 1697/8 Weymouth, Masssachusetts to Zachariah and Mary (Benson) Gurney. Zachariah GURNEY was b about 1660 in Weymouth, son of Richard and Rebecca (Taylor) GURNEY. This Richard was b. about 1630 in England, probably the son of John GURNEY who was known to have settled in Weymouth and Braintree, Massachusetts before 1641. Most likely, your Elijah descends from the Gurney family origiating in Weymouth. All the above information on the Gurneys is from The Gurney Family From Aaron to Zuinglius - A Genealogical Dictionary, Revised and Expoanded Edition by Jean Gurney Rigler, Honolulu, Hawaii 1994

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/164 Message Board Post: I was told by several that Gurneys descend from Francis Cooke's line. I have found a few papers in local history books saying that my ggg Elijah Sortor Gurney is a descendant of Francis Cooke but I don't know if this is true. If you know anything I'd appreciate your help. This line has got me stuck. I can't find anything on Elijah Gurney's parents. I do know that Elijah was a state rep. for Missouri in the 1880s. Any help appreciated, Cassie Townsend@Cameron.net

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:32:11 EDT Aasparagus00@aol.com writes: > I recently purchased the silver book "Mayflower Families Through > Five > Generations" volume six, third edition on Stephen Hopkins. > Can someone tell me why, on page 7, the daughter of Constance > Hopkins, > Constance, married to Daniel Doane, was not assigned a number. Joan - We do not know from primary sources the given names of three of the twelve Snow children. We know that there were twelve children living in 1650 because Governor Bradford, writing apparently in that year, tells us so (Of Plymouth Plantation). We have, however, only been able to determine the names of nine. The remaining three could be either sons who died before their father and are therefore not named in his will, or daughters (none of the Snow daughters are called by name in their father's will). The only authority for naming Daniel Doane's 1st wife Constance as a daughter of Nicholas Snow and Constance Hopkins is a notebook on Eastham families kept by Joseph Paine, Town Clerk and historian of Harwich. Paine mentioned individuals from whom he received information, but did not mention the source for this item. See the note on v. 127, pp. 101-102 in "The Godfreys of Chatham, Mass.," by Elizabeth Pearson White, NEHGR, v. 126, pp. 235-239; v. 127, pp. 40-48, 96-102; Correction: v. 127, p. 180. As far as I know the GSMD still does not accept submissions through this line as there is no other evidence for it. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

I recently purchased the silver book "Mayflower Families Through Five Generations" volume six, third edition on Stephen Hopkins. Can someone tell me why, on page 7, the daughter of Constance Hopkins, Constance, married to Daniel Doane, was not assigned a number. She is the child marked (x) number 10 with with a note from Josiah Paine, town clerk and historian of Harwich. This Doane line seems entirely omitted...comments please. Joan Rose

I am wondering about Jacob Reed, he is No. 194 in Francis Cooke of the Mayflower, through five generations. On Page 225. He is 4th generation.(Esther3 Tomson,Mary2 Cooke,, Francis1) I am quoting fropm the book."Jacob married (1) probably in Abington to Sarah (Hersey?),possibly the one born in Hingham on 26 September 1692, died probably in Abington after 1 March 1731 and before 21 december 1732, daughter of of William and Sarah(Langer)(May)Hersey." The Langer name could also be Langlee, I also got the "Histories on Hingham genealogies" by George Lincoln, on Page 300, it says that Sarah Hersey of Hingham, probably married Jacob Reed Of Weymouth. I would like a further clarification of this relationship? As I am a descendant of said Jacob Reed. Yours truly, Scott Mckay

Thank you, Harlow and Craig, for passing along this valuable opportunity. I ordered both of them yesterday. I agree that in general "commercials" should be avoided, but there are always valid reasons for making occasional exceptions, and you both worded your messages very well to explain why. Some subscribers to the Mayflower list are probably retired on reduced income (like myself), who wait for sale prices before buying (like myself)... or we don't buy at all, so it's wonderful to be made aware of these fleeting opportunities. Again, my thanks. Keep up the good work. Marty Irons life member SOMD (NY) via BREWSTER

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/163 Message Board Post: I am working on my line from Francis Cooke/Jane Cooke/Elizabeth Mitchell/Joseph Washburn/Hepsibah Washburn/Anne Leach/Hepzibah Packard/Sarah Morton and this is where I have a problem. Has anyone else worked this line? Can anyone offer help with documentation of the husband of Sarah? Is the Sarah Morton who married Joseph Westgate 1806 ( documented in Middelborough and Wareham town records) this same Sarah Morton, daughter of Seth and Hepzibah (Packard) Morton? Thanks for any help that can be offerred! Susan Platt

Greetings! Regular list contributor Harlow Chandler sent me the following message, and while we generally stay away from "commercials" on the Mayflower list, I agreed with Harlow that the following two items which are on sale at Genealogy.com would be wonderful additions to any Mayflower researchers library. The links are included in the message below. Now if we could only persuade them to give us a commission for every unit they sell to Mayflower list members..... Craig Rich crich@macatawa.org http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/ Genealogist, Listowner: MAYFLOWER-L and RICH-L mailing lists Michigan State Representative - Rich Family Association -----Original Message----- From: Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> To: MAYFLOWER-admin@rootsweb.com <MAYFLOWER-admin@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 15, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: CD sale Craig, There are a couple of CDs on sale (half price) at Genealogy.com (Family Tree Maker) which are basic for Mayflower research and which listmembers might be interested in. If you think a notice about them belongs on the list, perhaps you could forward this. One is the _Mayflower Descendant_ 2 CD set at about $25 now, and the other is a CD which includes the Cape Cod Library series--all 108 pamphlets. (at about $15). Mayflower Descendant: http://www.genealogy.com/203cd-rom.html?priority=4050218 Cape Cod Library, etc. http://www.genealogy.com/194cd-rom.html?priority=4050218 Best wishes, Harlow

This is an e-mail to answer Andrew, but I thought I would send it to all of you in case there are any Howlands out there--to let you know what we are up to and about the Howland Quarterly. Andrew, it is a publication published by the Pilgrim John Howland Society that comes out four times per year. It gives all the news of the Howland Society, what members are up to, guest writers etc. We are a very active group. We meet every Aug. in Plymouth (except every third year it is in early Sept. to coincide with the meeting of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants.) We have over 1400 members. At least 120 will come to Plymouth. They live in 48 states, Canada, Nova Scotia, Spain, etc. This year's meeting will be special as a group of "Cuban Howland's" will be joining us. (A Howland descendant moved to Cuba in 1818 and now several are back in America!!) We sponsor an archeaological dig at Rocky Nook, home of John & ELizabeth from 1638-1672/3 when John died. We own Howland House in Plymouth, owned by son Jabez. We are building a shallop at Plimoth Plantation to sail up the Kennebec River next summer just as John did to set up a trading post near what is now Augusta. Every few years we sponsor a trip to Europe to see pilgrim sights. So, if you are a Howland, get your proofs together and join us! Lots of activities. Thanks for asking! Gail Adams Editor of the Howland Quarterly

I have good news and bad news: I recently spoke with Elizabeth White regarding the next volume-- of the Desc.'s of John Howland through his daughter, Hope Howland Chipman. The bad news is that it will not be complete in 2002. It seems that desc's keep popping up and the volume is now over 1000 pages! Rather than publish it without these new lines, Mrs. White wants the book as complete as possible. I agree, better to take a bit more time and include more descendants. So, good news--more descendants are being proven. Also, vol. 4, those through Howland's daughter Elizabeth, is almost complete, so there will not be much time between the two. I cannot give out Mrs. White's phone number or address, so please do not ask. Thank you. Gail Adams Editor of the Howland Quarterly

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/162 Message Board Post: My grandmother always told me that I was of Mayflower descent. I am having trouble finding the link in the fifth generation of John Howland. This is what my grandmother told me: John Howland m. Elizabeth Tilley; Desire Howland m. John Gorham; Hannah Gorham m. Joseph Whilden; Mary Whilden m. Josiah Crowell; Elishabee Crowell m. James Godfrey. I can not find any record of an Elishabee (sp?) Crowell. I can link my ancestry to James Godfrey, I just can't get past that one link. Can anyone confirm or disprove this information? Thanks, Cathy seafellow1@aol.com

I recently purchased the book "Plymouth Colony Its History and People 1620 - 1691" by Eugene Aubrey Stratton that was run on the Ancestry Specials several weeks ago. It took quite a while to get here - back logged and all that. It's a great book and if any of you didn't get it, I highly recommend you see if you still can. There's tons of very interesting stuff in it! Terri

In a message dated 6/11/02 2:38:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KARENE1@webtv.net writes: > I just got through watching the movie The Plymouth Adventure starring > Spencer Tracy as Captain Jones and Van Johnson as John Alden. For those > of you who have never seen it or who want to record it, it will be shown > again this month on Turner Movie Classics June 17 at 2AM, Eastern time. > > I was a bit disappointed at the major artistic licenses this movie took. > Because of the romantic subplot, it's Bradford who falls overboard, not > John Howland. And although we never see her actually do it, we > understand that Dorothy Bradford jumped overboard because of her torn > love between her husband and Captain Jones. It's also a little funny to > see the obviously painted backdrops in some of the scenes. > > But outside of this silliness, I thought the movie did a good job in > portraying the hardships our ancestors faced while travelling on the > Mayflower. This is a movie I would recommend. Ditto the above recommendation. How much has changed and corrective facts discovered since George F. Willison wrote "Saints and Strangers" in 1945. Regards, Rick Turner "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."---The Declaration of Independence "I love the word 'friends'. It means so much, for we are, and should be, friends for the glory of God and the salvation of the world."---Alice C. Winslow (1856-1927), 1913

I just got through watching the movie The Plymouth Adventure starring Spencer Tracy as Captain Jones and Van Johnson as John Alden. For those of you who have never seen it or who want to record it, it will be shown again this month on Turner Movie Classics June 17 at 2AM, Eastern time. I was a bit disappointed at the major artistic licenses this movie took. Because of the romantic subplot, it's Bradford who falls overboard, not John Howland. And although we never see her actually do it, we understand that Dorothy Bradford jumped overboard because of her torn love between her husband and Captain Jones. It's also a little funny to see the obviously painted backdrops in some of the scenes. But outside of this silliness, I thought the movie did a good job in portraying the hardships our ancestors faced while travelling on the Mayflower. This is a movie I would recommend. Karen Flanders Eddy