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    1. [MFLR] Thank you
    2. Terri
    3. Dale, thanks a bunch for the abbreviation explanation - I've wondered. Marty, let me know what you get for the kids. While I'm here, is there anywhere to check on new "finds" concerning our Mayflower relatives? I'm still trying to figure out the Lillis BOWEN - Charles CHURCH thing and thus clear up my Fannie CHURCH. Thanks everyone, Terri

    06/23/2002 02:23:49
    1. Re: [MFLR] What does intention mean?
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:13:24 -0400 "Mark & Joyce" <mj2ewe@bright.net> writes: > I was wondering if someone could explain the following phrase: > > >The marriage entry indicates that there is no record of an > > intention... Joyce - In colonial New England couples were required to publicise their intent to marry, or "marriage intention" (in other parts of the world sometimes called "marriage banns"). The intention had to posted in a designated public place, entered in the town record book, or announced at a public gathering such as a church service. If there were no valid objections to the marriage it could take place, usually two or three weeks after the intention, depending on the year and location. This prevented people such as the underaged and indentured servants from marrying without permisiion. Intentions were not always followed by a marriage. Sometimes that was due to a valid objection, sometimes the couple got cold feet - here's an example from West Bridgewater Vital Records, p. 162, that might be cold feet: PACKARD, Susan, Mrs., and Richmond Carr, int. Aug. 1, 1841. "Publishment taken down Aug. 14th 1841 by Mrs. Susan Packard, one of the parties -" (int. is the abbreviation for a marriage intention). Sometimes the posting of an intention was done without the knowledge or consent of the parties. Here's an example from Brockton Vital Records, p. 267: PHILLIPS, Francis and Olive Warren of Abington, int. Apr. 24, 1831. "This publishment put up without the consent of the parties, by the finesse of some villain, counterfeiting Phillips's name - Taken down April 26, 1831." In order to perplex genealogists of our time the crafty town clerks of yore often neglected to record which intentions were not followed by a marriage. <grin> Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/23/2002 01:45:19
    1. [MFLR] What does intention mean?
    2. Mark & Joyce
    3. Hi all, I was wondering if someone could explain the following phrase: >The marriage entry indicates that there is no record of an intention and >............ >There is no birth record for either in Norton VR, and the marriage entry >there says that they were both of Taunton, again with no intention. I hadn't seen it mentioned like this before and was kinda curious as to what it meant. Thanks, Joyce

    06/23/2002 12:13:24
    1. [MFLR] Nathaniel Gould/Mary Makepeace
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/165 Message Board Post: MF5 Vol. 19 Thomas Rogers, lists the children of Nathaniel Gould and Mary5 Makepeace on page 169. Have any lines through these children been accepted by the GSMD? Children: William, Nathaniel, Mary, John, Seth and Phebe

    06/23/2002 12:45:53
    1. Re: [MFLR] Experience Mitchell-Experience Cooke
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 02:17:10 EDT ESnively@aol.com writes: > So it looks like this unusual name (in today's world anyway), > "Experience" > was either male or female. Is this correct or am I confused? Esther - It would seem so. I've seen a few other examples of unusual names used for both sexes. BTW, while we're on the subject of Experience Mitchell, you folks may know that for many years Mayflower lines from all children of Experience were accepted for Francis Cooke descent, but that has not been the case in recent years. To find out why see "Not All the Children of Experience Mitchell Are Mayflower Descendants" by Robert S. Wakefield, The American Genealogist, v. 59, pp. 28-31. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/22/2002 11:15:48
    1. [MFLR] Experience Mitchell-Experience Cooke
    2. In a message dated 06/22/2002 10:02:43 PM, MAYFLOWER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >In the Mayflower 5 Generations of Francis Cooke, and in other sources I >have gathered, William Landon was married to Experience Cooke. Hi All, My 8 G Grandfather was Experience Mitchell (a male) who married Jane Cook, daughter of Francis Cooke. Marty Landon Zielke has an ancestor named Experience Cooke who is obviously a female if she was married to William Landon. (I doubt they had same sex marriages in those days.) So it looks like this unusual name (in today's world anyway), "Experience" was either male or female. Is this correct or am I confused? Esther Snively in San Jose, California

    06/22/2002 08:17:10
    1. [MFLR] MFLR 1920 Celebration
    2. Stephen, It's been a while but I wrote to the Pennsylvania Mayflower Society, The Pilgrim Society and I think, the General MFR Soc. with neg. results. I was just wondering if there were still some of those invitations floating around. Josephine Boehm Vonderloh had been living in Canada since 1912. The relatives presumed that she was descended from the 'Pilgrim Fathers'. Thanks. Roseline

    06/22/2002 06:40:16
    1. Re: [MFLR] Re: MAYFLOWER-D Digest V02 #133
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:03:00 -0400 "Joan C. Miller" <jrm107@juno.com> writes: > We have a Mary Turner, b.ca 1709; mar. Jan 1729 Benjamin Pratt The marriage entry indicates that there is no record of an intention and that the marriage took place in Norton. Although the marriage record says that they were both of Taunton there is no corresponding birth for either in Taunton VR. There don't seem to be pertinent death entries in Taunton. There are undoubtedly many missing entries because of the 1838 fire that destroyed the town records. There is no birth record for either in Norton VR, and the marriage entry there says that they were both of Taunton, again with no intention. There don't seem to be pertinent death entries in Norton. The only other Bristol County VR that I have at hand is Attleborough, but there's no joy there. I don't think the Bridgewaters do any good - Mitchell has only a paragraph on Turner. I'm quite familiar with the Bridgewater Pratts. I don't have any of the Bridgewater VRs at hand but I have, I think, all of the early Bridgewater Pratts in my database and can't find an appropriate Benjamin there or in Mitchell. There are possibilities for Mary's birth in Plymouth County, but hers is a not uncommon name. A number of Marys were born in Scituate, including one in 1706 and another in 1709. That's a ways away from Taunton and Norton, though. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/22/2002 02:12:17
    1. [MFLR] 1920 celebration
    2. Hi listers Since the list ia busy and entertaining at this point I thought I would throw out a line and see what I can catch. Can anyone tell me what criteria was used to send out invitations to the 300th anniversary of the Mayflower in 1920? Josephine Boehm Vonderloh, then living in the province of Saskatchewan in Canada, received such an invitation. It was then presumed that she was descended from the Mayflower through some Ramseys. I tried the Pilgrim group but got nowhere. Just wondered if anyone else has had such an invitation with or without MFR ancestry and they dealt with it. Thanks. Roseline in Canada

    06/22/2002 07:56:19
    1. [MFLR] Re: MAYFLOWER-D Digest V02 #133
    2. Joan C. Miller
    3. My Grandmother was a West. This line includes surnames, Chapman; Tyler;Dexter;Presbury;Look; and if correct Margaret Reeves who married Francis West. I don't think there's documentation to prove Francis West connects to the Mayflower. Am I right? His son, Dr.Thomas West, b.1646; mar Elizabeth (?). We've never found her maiden name. Also, I would like to share that my West line through Chapman connect with Myles Standish; William Mullins; John Alden; Henry Sampson; George Soule; Francis Cooke. And William Pabodie and Simmons. I'm not sure about a few others. If I have any thing anyone would like, be happy to share. Our line is documented through Myles Standish. We have a Mary Turner, b.ca 1709; mar. Jan 1729 Benjamin Pratt who was styled a Capt. Their Bristol Cty Marriage record states Mary Turner was of Taunton. Their children married surnames: Brintnell; Hoges; Williams; Billings; and Dean. Would anyone have information to document the ancestry of Mary (Turner) Pratt? Is it possible her line is from Plymouth County area? I wonder if anyone has any Plymouth County records to look for a Mary Turner b.ca.1709. Thank you. Joan Reed Miller On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:00:45 -0600 MAYFLOWER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:

    06/22/2002 04:03:00
    1. RE: [MFLR] Some Notes on Periodical Sources
    2. Harlow Chandler
    3. ***NGSQ - The National Genealogical Society Quarterly. Published by the ***National Genealogical Society at Washington DC since 1912. It is a ***prestigious publication containing a wealth of articles written by the ***nation's foremost genealogists. *** Thanks for the list, Dale. This one is also available on CD (FTM # 210) as well as online for a fee at GenealogyLibrary.com.

    06/22/2002 03:13:43
    1. Re: [MFLR] Experinece Cooke
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 05:10:23 -0500 "M.L. Zielke" <mlzielke@core.com> writes: > I am off to Ebay to sell the children, and give away the husband. Marty - You put that correctly - the kids are worth some money but a used husband might be hard to even give away unless he's rich or looks like Tom Cruise, and if he were either of those you'd want to keep him. <grin> Is this Experience, daughter of Elisha(5) Cooke and Rebecca Egerton, born 08-Aug-1751 possibly Halifax? If so, we have some common ancestry - I'm also descended from Jacob(3) Cooke and Lydia Miller, but through their son John. Bowman had a penciled note in his records that she was not named in her father's 25-Jan-1799 will and did not show a marriage. A search of NEHGR yields nothing germane. My sources are almost exclusively for New and Old England. I plan to get to the Roanoke City Library within a week, and they have quite a few Pennsylvania resources I can check. I have your message tucked away on the laptop for reference. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/22/2002 02:35:26
    1. [MFLR] Some Notes on Periodical Sources
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. For those on the list who might not be familiar with some of the sources cited in messages here I thought I'd give a brief list of some periodicals that have published important articles on Mayflower (and related) families and the abbreviations for them that are often used in reference notes. MD - The Mayflower Descendant. Edited by George Ernest Bowman, founding secretary of the Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1899-1937. Revived by the MSMD in recent years. Contains mostly primary sources such as vital and church records, wills and deeds. In Five Generations publications you will often see vital records cited from MD rather than from a corresponding vital records volume published by NEHGS or others. This is not elitism - the MD records are literal transcriptions of town record books which can provide genealogical information that is lost in the alphabetized NEHGR volumes. Available on CD-ROM. PN&Q - Pilgrim Notes and Queries. Five volumes supplemental to MD, edited by George Ernest Bowman and published between 1913 and 1917. MQ - The Mayflower Quarterly. Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at Plymouth since 1935. It contains articles on Pilgrim genealogy, history, literature, arts and culture, as well as Society news and proceedings. NEHGR - The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Published by the New England Historic Genealogical Society at Boston quarterly since 1847. It is the oldest genealogical periodical in the nation. Available on CD-ROM (and online to members). Most of the articles pertaining to Mayflower families were republished by Genealogical Publishing Co. under the editorship of Gary Boyd Roberts in "Mayflower Source Records" and the 3-volume "Genealogies of Mayflower Families." All 4 volumes are available on one CD under the latter title. NGSQ - The National Genealogical Society Quarterly. Published by the National Genealogical Society at Washington DC since 1912. It is a prestigious publication containing a wealth of articles written by the nation's foremost genealogists. TAG - The American Genealogist. Founded by Donald Lines Jacobus at New Haven CT in 1922, it expanded from a Connecticut-oriented journal to one concentrating mainly on colonial American families. I consider it the premier independent genealogical journal in the country. It has published many important articles on Mayflower families by the finest researchers, including Fellows of the American Society of Genealogists (F.A.S.G.) and others involved in the Five Generations Project. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/22/2002 02:30:29
    1. [MFLR] Experinece Cooke
    2. M.L. Zielke
    3. I have always learned so much from the posts on this list....and Dale's post was no exception. It seems the key to successful genealogy is to be single and have a significant amount of cash. I am off to Ebay to sell the children, and give away the husband. Now on to more serious business. I am a bit stumped by one of my connections. In the Mayflower 5 Generations of Francis Cooke, and in other sources I have gathered, William Landon was married to Experience Cooke. Experience descends from both Francis Cooke and Stephen Hopkins. I have not been able to find any information on her at all, except what is in VanWoods book on Francis Cooke. Zip, zero, nada. I know where she was born, and her lineage, but cannot find any record of her marriage to William (supposedly in Loyalsock Township, PA), where she died, or is buried. If anyone has any information on her, I would certainly enjoy hearing from you. Thanks, Marty Landon Zielke

    06/21/2002 11:10:23
    1. Re: [MFLR] Alden, Standish,Simmons etc
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:38:48 -0400 "Harlow Chandler" <chandler@firstva.com> writes: > With Dale looking into this you should know a lot > more soon. (Where does he get all his wonderful toys?) Harlow - For many years of my career I (a lifelong bachelor) had sufficient discretionary income to purchase reference books. I also spent a lot of money on photocopies of significant articles. The local library has long runs of NEHGR, NGSQ, TAG, MQ and other journals, and I sometimes travel to the NC State Library in Raleigh which has much more of value to a New England researcher. As an NEHGS member I have borrowing privileges from their 30,000+ volume circulating library, privileges at their 200,000+ volume library in Boston (on my trips there every 2 to 3 years) and members-only access to sources on their website, including every issue of the Register (which has been published quarterly since 1847). I also utilize extensive New England census records on microfilm at the local library and, of course, can rent films at the local Family History Center that, among other things, provide transcriptions of English church records. I order certified photocopies of vital records from towns and cities, and copies of deeds and probate files from county courthouses (I have sitting next to me a photocopy of two pages from a Plymouth County deed book from 1796). I like good sources, I do, I do. <grin> Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/21/2002 06:18:35
    1. [MFLR] Re: West/Samson; Duxbury
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:14:12 -0400 Bruce Bardes <bpbgene@fuse.net> writes: > I think that her parents > were Richard WEST/WASTE and Mary > SAMSON/ SAMPSON. There was such a marriage 26 Oct 1693 in Duxbury, > according to Duxbury VRs, cited in IGI ... Bruce - The entry in Duxbury VR, p. 327, reads: "WASTE (see West), Richard and Mary Samson, Oct. 26, 1693.* P.C.R." The asterisk indicates that there is no marriage intention on record, and "P.C.R." indicates that the marriage record comes from Plymouth County records, not Duxbury Town records. > In meteorological terms, the ancestry of Richard WEST is heavy > overcast. The Pedigree Resource > File has several entries that list his parents as Francis (John) > WEST and Susannah SOULE; Richard was > born in 1663 in N. Kingston, RI. Did Susannah descend from George > SOULE? And who were Francis WEST's > parents? Robert S. Wakefield, in "The Daughters of Abraham(1) Sampson (born 1614?) of Duxbury MA" (TAG, v. 63, pp. 207-210), mentioned the North Kingston RI ascription, but noted that the Plymouth County marriage record did not indicate that Richard was from out-of-town and that there was a West family in Duxbury at the time. This was the family of Francis West (see "Francis West of Duxbury, Mass., and Some of His Descendants" by Edward E. Cornwall, NEHGR, v. 60, pp. 142-151). The Cornwall article does not list a Richard of the right age however, but notes that a son of that name had been ascribed to Francis "it would seem without good reason" (and a son Richard is not listed by Francis' great-grandson Judge Zebulon West). > What is pea soup fog is the ancestry of Mary SAMSON. I'd guess > that she was born about 1670, but > to whom, and where? Is there any evidence to show that she was > descended from either Abraham Sampson > or Henry Samson? In the aforementioned article Wakefield assigned this Mary as probably the last child of Abraham by his second wife, since her birth before 1676 seems too early for one of Abraham's sons, it does not seem possible for her to be a widow of one of those sons, and there is no place for her in Henry Samson's family. I don't know if this helps - these are the only references that come to my hand, and I've done no research on Richard or Mary. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/21/2002 05:22:43
    1. RE: [MFLR] Alden, Standish,Simmons etc
    2. Harlow Chandler
    3. ***-----Original Message----- ***From: BA Young [mailto:scanbar@prodigy.net] ***Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:48 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Alden, Standish,Simmons etc *** *** ***Hello Listers, *** ***I am trying to reconstruct my grandmother's Pilgrim genealogy ***which was stolen from her home. ***I will start with: *** ***CHANDLER, Nathaniel Lewis., b. Dec 24,1803, Duxbury,MA; Married ***Sally W. SAMPSON in 1827.I believe she was the daughter of Perez ***H.SAMPSON and Sally (WESTON) Hi Barbara, The 1850 census (Duxbury) has Sally W., wife of Nathaniel L. Chandler, as age 44, which would mean a birth year of about 1806. Yet Duxbury VR p. 142 has Sally W., dau. Perez H. and Sally Sampson b. Sep. 30, 1812. Furthermore Kingston VR p. 274 has marriage of Sally W. Sampson and Nathaniel L. Chandler of Duxbury, Jan. 4, 1827. Perhaps you know the Duxbury VR is wrong, or perhaps I have the wrong people, or perhaps the meds from my medical procedure this morning are still working and I'm even loopier than usual. Do you have more on that so that we'll know whether to try to follow up with Perez? Also you have mentioned a marriage of Keturah Chandler (dau. Benj.) and Abraham Sampson (son Abraham and Lorah Standish Sampson). I don't know if that's an important part of what you're doing, but I think that should be Nathaniel, another of Lorah's sons--see MD 9:108 for instance. It's hard to imagine that there are not several Mayflower lines connected to this Chandler line. With Dale looking into this you should know a lot more soon. (Where does he get all his wonderful toys?)

    06/21/2002 08:38:48
    1. [MFLR] West/Samson; Duxbury
    2. Bruce Bardes
    3. Hello Dale -- I'm trying to clear away some of the cloud regarding Susanna WEST and her parents. Susanna married Ephraim COLE 2 Mar 1724/5 in Duxbury, according to Duxbury VRs, cited in IGI. I believe that Susanna was born about 1695, probably in Duxbury. I think that her parents were Richard WEST/WASTE and Mary SAMSON/ SAMPSON. There was such a marriage 26 Oct 1693 in Duxbury, according to Duxbury VRs, cited in IGI. So far, this information is only partly cloudy. In meteorological terms, the ancestry of Richard WEST is heavy overcast. The Pedigree Resource File has several entries that list his parents as Francis (John) WEST and Susannah SOULE; Richard was born in 1663 in N. Kingston, RI. Did Susannah descend from George SOULE? And who were Francis WEST's parents? What is pea soup fog is the ancestry of Mary SAMSON. I'd guess that she was born about 1670, but to whom, and where? Is there any evidence to show that she was descended from either Abraham Sampson or Henry Samson? I'd appreciate any help you can provide. Bruce Bardes Cincinnati Dale H Cook wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:47:42 -0400 "BA Young" <scanbar@prodigy.net> > writes: > > > I am trying to reconstruct my grandmother's Pilgrim genealogy which > > was stolen from her home. > > Barbara - > > I'll sit down with your list this weekend for a close look and see what > references I can suggest. I did notice one error that isn't really > germane to Mayflower descent but which has persisted in print and on the > web: > > > SAMPSON, Abraham (1) arrived 1629 brother of Mayflower Pilgrim > > HenrySAMPSON > > After quite a bit of reading about these two (although I have no known > descent from either) I have found nothing to convince me of a provable > relationship between Henry Samson and Abraham Sampson. (Note to those new > to these two families - the surnames of these two distinct families are > generally, but not always, spelled in records the way I spelled them > here). > > I think I can safely say that it is generally accepted that Henry was > baptized in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England on 15-Jan-1603/04. See "English > Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper" by > Robert Leigh Ward, The American Genealogist, v. 52, pp. 198-208. The > evidence presented there showing the origins of the Mayflower passengers > bearing those three surnames is, I believe, absolutely convincing. The > records cited in that article explain the relationship between Edward and > Ann Tilley and the "cousins" (as Bradford wrote) that they brought with > them on the Mayflower, the children Henry Samson and Humility Cooper > (Cowper). > > On 14-Aug-1614 in the nearby parish of Campton, Bedfordshire, Henry's > first cousin Abraham Samson was baptized. This was possibly the immigrant > Abraham Sampson of Duxbury. I have seen no evidence to contraindicate > that possibility, but I have seen no evidence that establishes that the > Campton Abraham was indeed the immigrant. For additional discussions of > the Bedfordshire Samsons and of Abraham and his descendants see "The > Early Sampsons" by Mrs. John E. (Rachel) Barclay, The American > Genealogist, v. 28, pp. 1-11; "Henry Sampson's Paternal Grandfather" by > Robert Leigh Ward, The American Genealogist, v. 56, pp. 141-143; and "The > Daughters of Abraham(1) Sampson (born 1614?) of Duxbury MA" by Robert S. > Wakefield, The American Genealogist, v. 63, pp. 207-210. > > As a side note, a great-great-granddaughter of Abraham was Deborah > Sampson who disguised herself as a man and fought in the Revolutionary > War as "Private Robert Shurtleff." She was aided in receiving a soldier's > pension by Paul Revere. A number of articles have been written about > Deborah. For starters I suggest "The Saga of 'Private Shurtleff': A > Mayflower Connection with a Twist" by Robert C. Thompson, The Mayflower > Quarterly, v. 65, pp. 265-268; as well as an article about her father, > "The Secret Life of Jonathan Sampson" by Barbara Lambert Merrick, The > Mayflower Quarterly, v. 48, pp. 172-177. Deborah Sampson was also a > descendant of William Bradford, Myles Standish and John Alden. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI > Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/

    06/21/2002 04:14:12
    1. Re: [MFLR] Alden, Standish,Simmons etc (Samson/Sampson)
    2. Dale H Cook
    3. On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:56:26 EDT STFKPBF@aol.com writes: > Thanks for providing all those sources on the Sampson/Samson > families! Kathy - You are quite welcome. My interest in Henry Samson comes from the beginning of my genealogical research. My late paternal grandmother, Susan May (Packard) (Cook) Haynes, said that she had Mayflower ancestry. After her death we found her notes, which erroneously and with a gap of a few generations traced a lineage to Henry. Fortunately I've been able to show that she was actually a descendant of Francis Cooke (by three lines), Stephen Hopkins and John Alden, and I'm working on nailing down a difficult Richard Warren line through her. The Samson/Sampson families are interesting and have ties to some of my ancestral families, thus the list of articles I've consulted. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

    06/21/2002 12:35:56
    1. Re: [MFLR] Alden, Standish,Simmons etc (Samson/Sampson)
    2. Thanks for providing all those sources on the Sampson/Samson families! As a descendant of both groups who hasn't quite gotten around to fully researching them yet, I will be interested to check them out. (BTW, I'm sure everyone knows that a couple of generations down the line from both immigrants, the two families DO link up forevermore, with the 1712 marriage of Henry Samson descendant, Penelope, to Abraham Sampson descendant, Abraham...guess that's after the fact however, so it doesn't "count" in determining the relationship between the progenitors, Henry and Abraham.) Kathy In a message dated 6/20/02 10:45:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, radiotest@juno.com writes: > > SAMPSON, Abraham (1) arrived 1629 brother of Mayflower Pilgrim > > HenrySAMPSON > > After quite a bit of reading about these two (although I have no known > descent from either) I have found nothing to convince me of a provable > relationship between Henry Samson and Abraham Sampson. (Note to those new > to these two families - the surnames of these two distinct families are > generally, but not always, spelled in records the way I spelled them > here). > > I think I can safely say that it is generally accepted that Henry was > baptized in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England on 15-Jan-1603/04. See "English > Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper" by > Robert Leigh Ward, The American Genealogist, v. 52, pp. 198-208. The > evidence presented there showing the origins of the Mayflower passengers > bearing those three surnames is, I believe, absolutely convincing. The > records cited in that article explain the relationship between Edward and > Ann Tilley and the "cousins" (as Bradford wrote) that they brought with > them on the Mayflower, the children Henry Samson and Humility Cooper > (Cowper). > > On 14-Aug-1614 in the nearby parish of Campton, Bedfordshire, Henry's > first cousin Abraham Samson was baptized. This was possibly the immigrant > Abraham Sampson of Duxbury. I have seen no evidence to contraindicate > that possibility, but I have seen no evidence that establishes that the > Campton Abraham was indeed the immigrant. For additional discussions of > the Bedfordshire Samsons and of Abraham and his descendants see "The > Early Sampsons" by Mrs. John E. (Rachel) Barclay, The American > Genealogist, v. 28, pp. 1-11; "Henry Sampson's Paternal Grandfather" by > Robert Leigh Ward, The American Genealogist, v. 56, pp. 141-143; and "The > Daughters of Abraham(1) Sampson (born 1614?) of Duxbury MA" by Robert S. > Wakefield, The American Genealogist, v. 63, pp. 207-210. > > As a side note, a great-great-granddaughter of Abraham was Deborah > Sampson who disguised herself as a man and fought in the Revolutionary > War as "Private Robert Shurtleff." She was aided in receiving a soldier's > pension by Paul Revere. A number of articles have been written about > Deborah. For starters I suggest "The Saga of 'Private Shurtleff': A > Mayflower Connection with a Twist" by Robert C. Thompson, The Mayflower > Quarterly, v. 65, pp. 265-268; as well as an article about her father, > "The Secret Life of Jonathan Sampson" by Barbara Lambert Merrick, The > Mayflower Quarterly, v. 48, pp. 172-177. Deborah Sampson was also a > descendant of William Bradford, Myles Standish and John Alden. > > Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI > Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself...but I think I have a right to object to libelous statements about my dog." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt Check out my genealogy web pages! http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/f/e/n/K-Fenton/index.html ~AND~ http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=twigsandbranches Recycle yourself! Tell someone you want to be an organ and tissue donor!

    06/20/2002 11:56:26