My father was William Bradford born 3 Sep.1916 in Washington D.C. If anyone has any information I would appreciate it.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/168 Message Board Post: Well, My Grandfather is Leo White born in Hancock, Stevens Co, Minn. I have always been told that my family decends from the Whites on the Mayflower, but like most of you I can't connect. The latest connection that I have is Peter White, born 1760 in Warwick RI; Father of Phillip White, born 1785 in Warwick RI, who married Mary Gorton. They had a son David Gorton White, born 1819 in Senica NY. Does anyone have anything that may connect. Thanks for the help Dawn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BRADFORD, BREWSTER, MCCORMACK, MCROBERTS, COLLIER, CLARK, RATHWELL, EDWARDS, WAITE, SMITH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/167.1 Message Board Post: Karen, How do Peter and Mary connect to the Mayflower? I'm trying to find information about, all and any, of the passengers, especially the ones that might be related to the Bradfords, Brewsters, Howlands, Tilleys, and Aldens. Patricia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Munson, Peter And Mary Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/167 Message Board Post: Looking for relatives of Peter and Mary Munson from Jonkoping Sweden. Don't know if its the town or county. Their son John came illegally to the U.S. in middle to late 1800's. He was born June 8, 1848. Have contacted a college student to see if there were any records but are none so need to hear from relatives from Sweden to get info and will share what info I have with them. Also a daughter came to U.S. at a later date around the Chicago area and was a seamstress. Hope someone can help me. Theres a huge family over here wanting to know about our family in Sweden.

In a message dated 7/5/2002 7:33:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ChristieTrapp@aol.com writes: << Vol. 29, page 29 Vol. 31, page 14 Vol. 34, page 67 >> Somehow a second message got transmitted today requesting a lookup for these Mayflower Descendant volumes and pages -- PLEASE IGNORE as I have already received a couple of responses. Therefore, there is no need to reply to the message dated July 5, 2002. Sorry folks. Christie Trapp

Steve asked: > Please direct me in establishing a line to John Howland (and Elizabeth Tilley) via their daughter Lydia? > > My line is: > John Howland m Elizabeth Tilley > Lydia Howland m James Brown > Jabez Brown m Jane Unknown > Hezekiah Brown m Joanna Bosworth > Nathaniel Brown m Lucy Russell > Chloe Brown m Joel Stone > etc.... > > Perhaps there are some on-line resources dedicated to their children's descendants who are not treated elsewhere (I did see a published Howland genealogy but for only two of their children)? Any suggestions for published material? ________________ Steve, The first thing you should do is send a synopsis of your line to Plymouth and have them search for a well documented paper. (Send it along with $5 to General Society of Mayflower Descendants, P.O.Box 3297, Plymouth MA 02361.) If they find a previously approved, well documented paper that matches yours they will send you a copy and you can use the sources from that paper up to the point where your lines branch off. This step could take care of your first 5-7 generations if successful. Also, you should be looking primarily at vital records wherever possible. For example, the Browns resided at Swansea, therefore use the Swansea vital records to prove all events that occurred there. If you don't have these, let me know and I'll provide the source citations for you (if you send me the dates, etc.). Check out the web site below where you will find info on the documentation requirements (applicable to each state society) and as well, a link to the web site for the Mayflower FAQ. Susan E. Roser, Historian,Governor Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

Please direct me in establishing a line to John Howland (and Elizabeth Tilley) via their daughter Lydia? My line is: John Howland m Elizabeth Tilley Lydia Howland m James Brown Jabez Brown m Jane Unknown Hezekiah Brown m Joanna Bosworth Nathaniel Brown m Lucy Russell Chloe Brown m Joel Stone etc.... Perhaps there are some on-line resources dedicated to their children's descendants who are not treated elsewhere (I did see a published Howland genealogy but for only two of their children)? Any suggestions for published material? Thank you for any direction/assistance. Steve Ferriss in Storrs, Connecticut

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:52:42 -0400 "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> writes: > A few days ago Dale asked if I knew of any other articles which dealt > with the MF vol.3 book on the Soule family. > snip < > there was another article dealing with the Soule MF book - by George > McCracken in TAG [1981]:57-58. I have not read the article so don't > know its contents. Susan - Thank you very much. I just noted the presence of the article in passing - I see by my reference index that I was in that volume for Bierbrier's article on Abraham Shaw. I will definitely have to read it especially because it was written by McCracken Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/166.1 Message Board Post: Hi Sally, Try this link. I have the much of the same information and came from the same line. After Mercy Gorham and George Denison I come through Joseph Denison. Good luck to you, Arlene http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/allen/Web%20Cards/WC12/WC12_046.HTM

Bill was interested in the passenger lists for the ship "Blessing" and since I found a Mayflower passenger on the first list, and his future wife on the 2nd list, I thought those on the list descended from Richard More might be interested. Apparently Richard went back to England sometime after the 1627 Cattle Division and returned in 1635. Christian Hunter is listed on the 2nd list - he married her the following year, 20 Oct. 1636. Passenger lists are as follows: (Note that the lists are not dated, but appear with those for 1635.) ["Passengers To America, ed. Michael Tepper, GPC, 1988, pg.30 (1st list), 34-5 (2nd list). Also - I compared the following lists with those found in "The Original Lists Of Persons Of Quality...", ed. by John C. Hotten, GPC, 1976, pg.93-4 (1st list), 108 (2nd list).] "Theis vnder written names are to be transported to New England imbarqued in the Blessing Jo: Lecester Mr. the p'ties having brought Cert. from the minister and Justices of their conformitie being no Subsedy men, tooke ye oaths of Alleg: and Supremacie: Willm Cope 26 Richard Cope 24 Thomas King 21 Jo: Stockbridge 27 Robert Saiewell 30 Wm Brooke 20 Gilbert Brooke 14 Nathaniell Byham 14 Jo: Wassell 10 W. Vassall 42 [Hotten says "Wm."] Rich: More 20 Robert Turner 24 Eliza: Holly 30 Ann Vassall 6 Margaret Vassall 2 Mary Vassall 1 Elizabeth Robinson 32 Sara Robinson 1 1/2 Nico: Robertson 30 Jo: Mory 19 Charles Stucbridge 1 James Saiewell 1 [Hotten says 1 1/2] Jo: Robinson 5 Ann Stockbridge 21 Suzan Saiewell 25 Ann Vassall 42 Suzan King 30 Judith Vassall 16 Sarah Tynkler 15 ffra: Vassall 12 [Hotten says "Fra."] Thomazin Munson 14 Kat: Robinson 12 Mary Robinson 7 Robt Onyon 26 2nd List: "Theis vnder written names are to be transported to N. England imbarqued in the Blessing, John Lester Mr. the p'ties have brought Cert: from the ministers and Justices of their conformitie in Religion and that they are no Subsedy men. Jo: Jackson fisherman 40 Margaret Jackson 36 John Jackson 2 Jo: Manifold 17 John Burules 26 [Hotten says "Burles"] Jo: ffitch 14 [Hotten says "Fitch"] Nico Long 19 Christian Buck 26 Barnabie Davies 36 Suzan Daues 16 [Hotten says "Danes or Daues"] Robert Lewes 28 Eliz: Lewes 22 Edward Ingram 18 Henry Beck 18 Jo: Hathoway 18 Jo: Brigges 20 Robt. Lewes 28 Richard Sexton 14 Mary Hubbard 24 Mary Sprall 20 [Hotten says "Spratt"] Rich. Hallingworth 40 Suzan Hallingworth 30 Christian Hunter 20 Eliz: Hunter 18 Tho: Hunter 14 Wm Hunter 11 Wm Hollingworth 7 Rich Hallingworth 4 Suzan Hallingworth 2 Eliz: Hallingworth 3 Tho: Trentum 14 Tho: Bigges 13 [Hotten says "Bigg's"] Jo: Brigges 20 [Hotten says "Brigg's"] Eliz: Lewes 22 _________________ Susan. www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> To: "'Susan E. Roser'" <roser@iprimus.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: RE: [PLY/MA] Ship Blessing Susan, I would very much like copies of the complete passenger lists. The ship Blessing is first mentioned in the 1620s. The last mention is after 1700 which is quite a few years for one ship. There may have been two ships named Blessing. Thus, my interest in a description of the Blessing. I know that one ship Blessing was registered out of Plymouth, Devon and worked Devon's western coast. I'm probably telling you more than you are interested in knowing but over the last 12 or so years I have gathered and compiled a rather extensive listing of English Churchill families. Two or three years ago I got the idea of assembling a list of English John Churchills who were of an age to be the John Churchill of the Plymouth Colony. I then began researching each one. In researching a Devon John Churchill (number 8 of 10), I have found indicators that he could be John of Plymouth. Early to mid 17th century the area in which he lived was a hotbed of non-conformist activity. Churchills in the area are documented as non-conformists. Some of these non-conformists were of the very type that later came to be called Congregationalists. (They were Calvinists but not Anabaptist.) This John is related to both Martins and Clarks and the Martins are specifically those who settled at Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony. There are Alice Martins who could be the Alice Martin of the Plymouth Colony wife of George Clark. I am currently trying to determine exactly when the Robert Martin who first settled at Rehoboth actually arrived and exactly who was in his party. I am also interested in his brothers Isaac and Abraham. Basically I want to identify family members and associated people at Rehoboth who may have been with the group or associated with non-conformist activity. I have learned that the ship Blessing may have been Captained for a time by Richard Martin, Robert's youngest brother. Later in time this Richard himself received his brother's land at Rehoboth as heir and settled there. This Richard died at Rehoboth 2 Mar 1694/5. Regards, Bill Churchill -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. Roser [mailto:roser@iprimus.ca] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:12 AM To: churchil@koyote.com Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Ship Blessing Bill, I can transcribe the pages for you if it's the passenger lists you're interested in. There is no description of the ship - the book I cited just has passenger lists. Susan. www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Churchill" <churchil@koyote.com> To: "'Susan E. Roser'" <roser@iprimus.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: RE: [PLY/MA] Ship Blessing Susan, Thank you so much. I don't have listings for 1635. I very much appreciate any information you may provide. I'm looking for the complete passenger listings so that I can bounce them against selected Devon England parish registries. However, of particular interest are any Martins or Clarkes and deaths in route. Do you have the ports of embarkation in England? What were the dates of the two lists? I'm also looking for a description of the Blessing. Regards, Bill Churchill USA -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. Roser [mailto:roser@iprimus.ca] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:45 PM To: MAPLYMOU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PLY/MA] Ship Blessing Does anyone on the list have information about a ship named “Blessing” that operated out of Plymouth, Devon, England circa mid 17th century? _________________ I have found two passenger lists for the ship "Blessing", both dated 1635. (From the book "Founders of New England" by Tepper. Who are you looking for? Susan E. Roser. www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

A few days ago Dale asked if I knew of any other articles which dealt with the MF vol.3 book on the Soule family. I was aware of only the following: TG 1 [1980]: 229, ["Mayflower Families To Date: A > > Critical Examination", by Neil D. Thompson, F.A.S.G.]. I have been in touch with the Editor of TAG and Dale was correct, there was another article dealing with the Soule MF book - by George McCracken in TAG [1981]:57-58. I have not read the article so don't know its contents. Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

Dale asked me a few days ago if I knew of any other article, likely printed in TAG (The American Genealogist) which did a review of the MF books, in particular, the Soule MF, vol. 3. I was aware of only the following: TG 1 [1980]: 229, ["Mayflower Families To Date: A Critical Examination", by Neil D. Thompson, F.A.S.G.] . I have checked with the Editor of TAG and Dale was correct, there was indeed another article which was written by George McCracken in TAG [1981]: 57-58. I have not read the article so do not know its contents. Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HOWLAND, GORHAM, DENISON, WILLIAMS, LADD Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/166 Message Board Post: Looking for more info on Desire Howland who marr John Gorham. Their dau, Mercy Gorham marr George Denison. Their dau, Desire Denison marr John Williams, son Wm Williams, son John Williams, son Elias Williams, dau, Harriet Williams who married Noyes Ladd...down to me. I don't have all the names, dates, or info. Is there anyone else who has this info and anyone from the same line? Thanks Sally sjhathaway@aol.com

***I was wondering if someone who has the set or access to the set ***could do a ***lookup and provide a correct citation; i.e., author, name of article, ***publisher of the Mayflower Descendants and the date the volume ***was published. *** Hi Christie, Here's what I found. ***Vol. 29, page 29 "Sandwich, Mass., Vital Records," transcribed by George Ernest Bowman 1931 ***Vol. 31, page 14 "Barnstable, Mass., Vital Records" (Bowman) 1933 ***Vol. 34, page 67 "Harwich, Mass., Vital Records" (Bowman) 1937 MD was published by the Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants, Boston, but I wouldn't have used that myself for a periodical citation, so I may not be providing what you need. Here's the form the MLA (Modern Language Association) suggests, "Each periodical entry must include author’s name (when shown), title of article, periodical name and page numbers. Journal citations should also include the volume and issue number, and the publication year. For magazine and newspaper citations, omit the volume and issue number and include the complete date."

In using the same source for more than one generation, such as a family Bible, is one set of copies adequate or do I need to send complete sets of copies for each generation? Thank you. Ed Herron

I have several citations in my records that I made several years ago. Due to a conversion from PAF 2.31 to 4.0, a lot of my records became scrambled. I am in the process of updating my records and I noted that I have several mentions to the Mayflower Descendants volumes with just the volume and page number only. I know that what I have would be sufficient enough to locate the article, but I would like to have a more definitive detail for what I found. I was wondering if someone who has the set or access to the set could do a lookup and provide a correct citation; i.e., author, name of article, publisher of the Mayflower Descendants and the date the volume was published. Vol. 29, page 29 Vol. 31, page 14 Vol. 34, page 67 Thanks. Once I know the names of these three articles I can then update my source notes with more details and perhaps even locate the article if I happened to have made a copy. Christie Trapp

I said previously: > > I get uneasy when the MF or MFIP books say children are "likely" or when > > they state there is no proof. Does this mean the line is accepted or not? > > I have had cases with applicants where the lines have and have not been > > accepted. In this case, there is no note saying that the line needs more > > proof before being accepted, so I'm assuming that the Soule researcher is > > satisfied with the line. Dianne asked: > Is there a rule of thumb about the Society's acceptance of lines through > "question mark children" in the silver books? > > I'm wondering particularly about Obadiah Chase, 6th generation (probably) > from Stephen Hopkins (Stephen1 > Giles2 > Stephen3 > Mary4 > Thankful5 Maker > > ?Obadiah6 Chase). He and 5 siblings are listed (MF: Stephen Hopkins, 2nd ed, > p.406) with question marks and a reference to the Chase genealogy in the New > England historical & genealogical register. Their oldest brother is not > questioned, as his birth was recorded at Yarmouth. > > Anybody have any insight here? > ______________________________ Dianne, Have just returned from a few days away and am late answering your question. It has been my experience as a state Historian that when it comes to question marks accompanying the names of children in the MF silver books that the line is not yet proven to the satisfaction of the society. To find out for sure, I suggest that you write directly to Plymouth, cite the Chase family in MF 6:372 (3rd ed.) and ask whether or not the line would be accepted if you were to submit it. It never hurts to ask! Susan E. Roser, Historian Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

A number of years ago -- when I knew nothing about genealogical research -- an individual told me that I might need to contact the "Mayflower Cousins." Then I lost track of this individual. I know a bit more about genealogy now, but have never run across the "Mayflower Cousins." Does anyone know if there is such a group? And, if so, what would be the advantage of contacting them? Thanks much! And thanks to all of you who provide so much information, particularly about various research resources. Mary Ann Kosmas Minneapolis, MN

Dale, Once again you provide a valuable link. I was not aware of USIGS, but there are a number of hard-to-find volumes and other documents on that site. I was able to get back to the root or base site at http://www.usigs.org/library/books/. Quite helpful. THANKS!! Rick Stetson -----Original Message----- From: Dale H Cook [mailto:radiotest@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:14 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Fall River Vital Records On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:51:25 -0600 "Ginny Core" <vcore@tctwest.net> writes: > I am searching for information on people who lived in Fall River, > Troy, > Freetown from the early 1700's to the middle 1800's. Ginny - I can suggest an online source. Scans of what appears to be the manuscript of Mary Phillips Herbert's "Freetown, Massachusetts, Marriage Records, 1686-1844," (published 1934) are online at: http://www.usigs.org/library/books/ma/Freetown1934/ They are .tif files, so you will need a tif viewer to read them. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA ______________________________

US CENSUS 1850, MAINE,SOMERSET, HARTLAND Roll 268 Page 27 Gideon Soule 59 M born Mass. Lydia Soule 62 F born ME Louiza ' ' 30 F born ME Abram L " " 26 M born ME Evalene A " 20 F born ME Roxanna J Flanders 7 F born ME John Kirby 4 M born ME Next door: David Soule 45 M born ME Clarissa Soule 43 F born ME Aurilla 19 F born ME William 17 M born ME Lorenzo 9 M born ME Ranson 6 M born ME Rachel 82 F born Mass. I believe this shows that Rachel,82, is living in the home of her son David. Her eldest son, Gideon, lives next door. Rachel Dillingham married William6,(Gideon5, Gideon4,Moses3,John2, George1) Soule Jan 1791, Hailfax and Bridgewater VRS. According to Census Gideon, above was born in MA. William, 17, above was my great grandfather. His death certificate gives his father David Soule, his mother, Clarissa Hopkins. I hope this will help someone. Lucy Severance Carroll lucycarroll@cox.net