Hi All, I'm doing this again since I see the list is active right now. If you have ancestors that may be in Colonial CT, they can be found at the Colonial Connecticut Records Site: http://www.colonialct.uconn.edu/ P.S. For some, it is hard to get into the site. I try to go into it with a lower browzer with the ads off rather than on. Ellen Baker Washington State

In a message dated 7/18/02 4:27:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, p.v.shaw@verizon.net writes: > I recently purchased this book through e-Bay on the Pilgrims, > first published in 1945. Does anyone know anything about this > book and whether any of the information in it is authentic? -- Dear Polly: The book "Saints and Strangers" was my first real introduction to Plymouth Colony history, and it is very dear to my heart. I hope you take great pleasure in it. However, please keep in mind that it was written over 55 years ago, and new information has come to light since then. May I respectfully suggest, " Plymouth Colony: It's History and People, 1620-1691" by Eugene Aubrey Stratton". Regards, Rick Turner "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."---The Declaration of Independence "I love the word 'friends'. It means so much, for we are, and should be, friends for the glory of God and the salvation of the world."---Alice C. Winslow (1856-1927), 1913

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Polly Shaw [mailto:p.v.shaw@verizon.net] ***Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:23 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Saints and Strangers *** *** ***I recently purchased this book through e-Bay on the Pilgrims, ***first published in 1945. Does anyone know anything about this ***book and whether any of the information in it is authentic? -- ***Polly (born a sceptic) Polly, Eugene Aubrey Stratton, author of the highly esteemed _Plymouth Colony: Its History and People_is on your side. He speaks of Willison's book saying, "George E. Willison's 1945 popular book Saints and Strangers, which was written by a Rhodes scholar who could and did do a considerable amount of good research to write his book, and then vitiated it by throwing it together in an undocumented hodgepodge of fact and fiction so intermixed that it would be difficult for even a trained scholar to extricate the one from the other." [Eugene Aubrey Stratton, _Plymouth Colony: Its History and People 1620-1691_ (Salt Lake City, Utah, Ancestry Publishing, 1986) page 1. So Stratton's opinion seems to be that there is much of merit in the book, but one has to be careful to doublecheck. In my own experience I find that Willison connects my ancestror Richard Wright, who married Hester Cooke, to the William Wright who came to Plymouth on the _Fortune_, claiming William is Richard's father. There is in fact no documented connection or really any reason to think there ever will be. That seems to be the kind of thing that troubles Stratton

I recently purchased this book through e-Bay on the Pilgrims, first published in 1945. Does anyone know anything about this book and whether any of the information in it is authentic? -- Polly (born a sceptic) -- Polly Shaw Office: 703-549-9292 x259 Northern Virginia MailTo:polly@pollyshaw.com Web: http://www.pollyshaw.com Outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2002

There seems to be a large amount of conflicting information regarding Hannah, the wife of William Soule (bef. 1671 - 1723). Some have her listed as Hannah Brewster and refer to two other husbands of Hannah Brewster, to wit: John Thompson and Samuel Starr. Does anyone know who Hannah, the wife of William Soule was? Any idea why there seems to be so much confusion regarding her? Steve Ferriss in Storrs, Connecticut

--part1_113.1467a34e.2a62d5c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, this is a message I sent to the seller. It would be wonderful if the family societies could get the documents relating to their ancestor! Gail --part1_113.1467a34e.2a62d5c8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <gailsline@aol.com> Received: from rly-xg04.mx.aol.com (rly-xg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.201]) by air-xg03.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXG32-0714091045; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:10:45 -0400 Received: from mx15.sjc.ebay.com (mxpool08.ebay.com [66.135.197.14]) by rly-xg04.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG49-0714091034; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:10:34 -0400 Received: from cellphone.sjc.ebay.com (cellphone.sjc.ebay.com [10.6.43.13]) by mx15.sjc.ebay.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g6EDAjsf004120 for <gailsline@aol.com>; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:10:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200207141310.g6EDAjsf004120@mx15.sjc.ebay.com> To: gailsline@aol.com From: gailsline@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2121153872 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:10:45 PDT X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I was just reading your unbelievable treasure trove of old manusrcipts. Unfortunately I cannot afford them. I do have a suggestion though. If the reserve is not met and they don't sell, I would list them individually. In addition to the General Society of Mayflower Descendants, there are the family societies for each Mayflower passenger as well as early folks of Plymouth. There is the Winlsow Society, Billington Society, Eaton Society, Howland Society, Cooke Society etc etc. You get the idea. These societies probably cannot afford the whole group, but probably could afford and be willing to spend for their particular ancestors. You should also include the family name in the description as I always search by their name and have bought several wonderful old items. Thank you. Gail Adams -------------------- Question from: gabids Title of item: Original Colonial Plymouth 17th Century Docs Seller: universityarchives02 Starts: Jul-10-02 18:59:46 PDT Ends: Jul-20-02 18:59:46 PDT Price: Currently $7,600.00 To view the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2121153872 Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com --part1_113.1467a34e.2a62d5c8_boundary--

These appeared on the Huydson Riber roots list: Resent-Sender: NY-HUDSONRV-L-request@rootsweb.com Otsego County Town government Milford 75-43-1 Record book 1796-1848 Springfield 74-22-1 Record book 1796-1846 Unadilla 74-11-1 Record book 1796-1860; Highway records 1819-56; Assessment rolls 1831-48; Poormasters' accounts 1793-1828 Village government Cooperstown 75-24-1 Record book 1855-80; Census 1898 -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA

going for $7,500 as of 1:45 pm ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [MFLR] interesting Mayflower item on ebay > Item # 2121153872 on Ebay names several mayflower personalities, including my > ancestors, the Cushman men. Thought subscribers to this list would be > interested. Sale ends July 20th. Wish I had enough money to buy it! > > Original Colonial Plymouth 17th Century Docs > A highly important and rarely seen group of fourteen 17th Century document > from Plymouth (Plimouth) Massachusetts. The growth of the New World! > 1669 Town of Plimouth - Agreement Manuscript Document signed, 1p. > 8-1/2"x12-1/4", "An agreement of Several of ye Neighbors living at and about > Rockey Nooke in the Township of Plimouth respecting ye bounds of their > lands..." being a copy of the original document of 1669 signed by Jacob > Cooke, Edward Gray, and Francis Combes with their "x" mark. This is a signed > 1703/4 scribal copy, "Saml Sprague Keeper of ye sd records." 1682 New > Plymouth Division of Land Manuscript Document Signed, one page, folio, > Plymouth, March 14, 1682, being a division of Edward Gray's land, including > "little house by the watterside". Between Dorothy Gray and John Gray, for the > land "from the seaside to the King's Road or Highway...northerly side of the > Great Rock..." Signed twice each by Ephraim Morton and John Tomson. Nathaniel > Morton docketing. Staining, some text loss at bottom of page, else Good. 1683 > Plymouth -Edward Gray - Division of Land Manuscript Document Signed, one > page, oblong octavo, Plimouth, March 29, 1683, being a division of Edward > Gray's land. Signed by Dorothy Gray [widow] and John Gray [son]. Witnessed by > Ephraim Morton, Ephraim Tinkham, with his "ET" mark, Isaac Cushman and John > Bryant Junr. Split at vertical fold, else Good. 1684 Plimoth, Land of Edward > Gray Manuscript Document Signed, one page, quarto, Plimouth, October 28, > 1684, regarding land of Edward Gray at Shawamot. Signed by Nathaniel Morton, > with a few additional lines in his hand. 1685 [Plymouth] Estate Recpt. Edward > Gray Manuscript Document Signed, one page, octavo, [Plymouth] October 30, > 1684, being a receipt pertaining to the estate of Edward Gray. Signed by > Dorothy Gray, as Administrator. Witness signatures of Nathaniel Thomas and > Stephen Sloss. 1686 New Plymouth Thomas Faunce Autograph Document Signed, > Thomas Faunce, one page oblong quarto, being a 1686 transcript of 1666/7 > record of bounds of Benjamin Eaton's land, formerly George Clark's and > betwixt Francis Billington and the lots that were John Cooke's, near "the > Swamps called Bradfords Marsh." Light staining, and fold separations, else > VG. Thomas Faunce (c.1647-1745/46) Son of John Faunce who came to the Colony > of the ship Anne, 1623. Plymouth Town Clerk, 1685-1723; Last ruling elder of > the First Church of Plymouth. It was at teary eyed Elder Faunce, who in 1741 > at the age of 95, identified the rock where the Pilgrims landed - known today > as Plymouth Rock. 1686 Plimouth Thomas Faunce - Land of John Gray & Caleb > Cooke Autograph Document Signed, "Thomas Faunce", one page, octavo, March 3, > 1685/6, being a period transcript of the bounds between land of John Gray and > Caleb Cook. VG. > 1688/89 Plimouth - Quit Claim - Edward Gray to John Gray Autograph Document > Signed, one page, folio, "Town of Plimouth", March 4, 1688/89, Quit Claim, > Edward Gray to John Gray, pertaining to father Edward Gray's estate. Signed > by Edward Gray with wax seal. Witnessed by Samuel Sprague and Ephraim Colle. > Staining, else VG. Edward Gray (1629-1681) Arrived at Plymouth c. 1643. > Merchant and one of the wealthiest colonists. Served as Deputy, 1676-79. In > 1677 was a member of a committee respecting debts due the colony and to > balance accounts between towns following King Philip's War. Married #1 Mary > Winslow, niece of Governor Edward Winslow. Married #2 Dorothy Lettice. The > headstones of Edward Gray and his wife, Mary, are the oldest still standing > in Burial Hill, Plymouth, Massachusetts. 1689 [Plymouth Co.] Deed, Samuel > Little & Wife Sarah Manuscript Document Signed, one page, 15"x12", > "Marshfield, in the County of Plimouth", January 15, 1689, being a deed of > Samuel Little and his wife Sarah to John Gray. Signed by the Littles with > seals. Witnessed by John Barkor and Rachal Newcom. Also signed by Nathaniel > Thomas who adds a few lines. Fold splitting, else Good to VG. Nathaniel > Thomas (1643-1718) Born in Plymouth, the son of Captain Nathaniel Thomas > (1606-1675) Served in King Philip's War as captain of a company of Light > Horse troops. For 23 years, Judge of the County Court; 16 years, Judge of the > Probate Court; Register of Probate, 1686-1693; and 6 years a Judge of the > Superior Court of Plymouth 1693 Plymouth.Will of Ephraim Morton Manuscript > Document Signed, 2-1/2 pp. folio, Plymouth, November 2, 1693, being a will of > Ephraim Morton who "being weak of body through sickness yet of disposing > memory & understanding...ordain these presents to be my last Will & > Testament..." Docketed "A true copy examined by Nathl Thomas Register." Light > staining, else VG. Ephraim Morton (1623-1693) Born on the ship Anne en route > to Plymouth. Probably adopted by his uncle Governor William Bradford. > Representative of the Plymouth General Court, 1657-1685. In 1671 became a > member of the Council of War, including the time of King Philip's War. Served > as Sergeant/Lieut. in a Plymouth Military Co. Magistrate of the Colony, 1683. > A Deacon of Plymouth Church, 1669-1693. 1693 Plymouth Estate Inv. of Lt > Ephraim Morton Manuscript Document, one page, folio, "An Inventory of the > Estate of Lieut. Ephraim Morton late of Plymouth deceased taken & apprized > the first day of November 1693.." Fascinating list of materials belonging to > Morton's estate. Verso is docketed "A true copy examined by Nathl Thomas > Register." Staining, else VG. 1694 Plimouth Deed Capt. Joseph Howland to John > Gray Manuscript Document Signed, one page, oblong folio, Plimouth, July 17, > 1694, being a deed between Captain Joseph Howland and John Gray "in > consideration of the full & just sum of fifteen pounds...[land] off Rockey > Nooke in Plimouth..." Signed by Joseph Howland. Witnessed by James Winslow, > Joseph Southworth. Docketed by Samuel Sprague on verso. Complete clean fold > split at vertical fold, some staining, else VG.1700 Township of Plimouth - > Deed James Winslow Manuscript Document Signed, one page, large folio, "Town > of Plimouth", September 5, 1700, being a deed between James Winslow and John > Gray, for 2/3rds of an acre of land for forty shillings. Signed by James W > inslow, with wax seal. Witnessed by John Colle, and Nathaniel Clark, also > signed by William Bradford, Justice of the Peace, with a few additional lines > in his hand. Docketed by Samuel Sprague. Light stains and fold separations, > else VG. William Bradford (162-1703/4) Born in Plymouth, son of Governor > William Bradford. Deputy Governor of Plymouth Colony 1682-6 and 1689-91. > Member of Governor Andro's Council in 1687. Chief military officer of > Plymouth Colony. Served as Major Commander-in-Chief of the Plymouth forces at > the Great Swamp Fight, 1675, the bloodiest battle of King Philip's War.1700 > Town of Plimouth Deed Benjamin Eaton Sr. & jr. Manuscript Document Signed, > one page, large folio, "Town of Plimoth", December 17, 1700, in part: > "Benjamin Eaton Senr & Benjamin Eaton Junr...in consideration of the sum of > Ten Pounds in Currant money of New England to us or one of us in hand by John > Gray of Plimouth...[purchase] ten acres ...between Francis Billington lott & > The lott that was John Cooper..." Signed by Benjamin Eaton Sr., his mark "X", > and Benjamin Eaton, Jr., both with their seals. Also signed by William > Bradford, Justice of the Peace, with three lines in his hand, and docketed by > Samuel Sprague. VG. Benjamin Eaton Sr. (1627-1711/12) Born in Plymouth, the > son of Mayflower passenger, Francis Eaton (1596-1633) > > Carolyn > Remember, you have a friend in Oklahoma! > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >

Item # 2121153872 on Ebay names several mayflower personalities, including my ancestors, the Cushman men. Thought subscribers to this list would be interested. Sale ends July 20th. Wish I had enough money to buy it! Original Colonial Plymouth 17th Century Docs A highly important and rarely seen group of fourteen 17th Century document from Plymouth (Plimouth) Massachusetts. The growth of the New World! 1669 Town of Plimouth - Agreement Manuscript Document signed, 1p. 8-1/2"x12-1/4", "An agreement of Several of ye Neighbors living at and about Rockey Nooke in the Township of Plimouth respecting ye bounds of their lands..." being a copy of the original document of 1669 signed by Jacob Cooke, Edward Gray, and Francis Combes with their "x" mark. This is a signed 1703/4 scribal copy, "Saml Sprague Keeper of ye sd records." 1682 New Plymouth Division of Land Manuscript Document Signed, one page, folio, Plymouth, March 14, 1682, being a division of Edward Gray's land, including "little house by the watterside". Between Dorothy Gray and John Gray, for the land "from the seaside to the King's Road or Highway...northerly side of the Great Rock..." Signed twice each by Ephraim Morton and John Tomson. Nathaniel Morton docketing. Staining, some text loss at bottom of page, else Good. 1683 Plymouth -Edward Gray - Division of Land Manuscript Document Signed, one page, oblong octavo, Plimouth, March 29, 1683, being a division of Edward Gray's land. Signed by Dorothy Gray [widow] and John Gray [son]. Witnessed by Ephraim Morton, Ephraim Tinkham, with his "ET" mark, Isaac Cushman and John Bryant Junr. Split at vertical fold, else Good. 1684 Plimoth, Land of Edward Gray Manuscript Document Signed, one page, quarto, Plimouth, October 28, 1684, regarding land of Edward Gray at Shawamot. Signed by Nathaniel Morton, with a few additional lines in his hand. 1685 [Plymouth] Estate Recpt. Edward Gray Manuscript Document Signed, one page, octavo, [Plymouth] October 30, 1684, being a receipt pertaining to the estate of Edward Gray. Signed by Dorothy Gray, as Administrator. Witness signatures of Nathaniel Thomas and Stephen Sloss. 1686 New Plymouth Thomas Faunce Autograph Document Signed, Thomas Faunce, one page oblong quarto, being a 1686 transcript of 1666/7 record of bounds of Benjamin Eaton's land, formerly George Clark's and betwixt Francis Billington and the lots that were John Cooke's, near "the Swamps called Bradfords Marsh." Light staining, and fold separations, else VG. Thomas Faunce (c.1647-1745/46) Son of John Faunce who came to the Colony of the ship Anne, 1623. Plymouth Town Clerk, 1685-1723; Last ruling elder of the First Church of Plymouth. It was at teary eyed Elder Faunce, who in 1741 at the age of 95, identified the rock where the Pilgrims landed - known today as Plymouth Rock. 1686 Plimouth Thomas Faunce - Land of John Gray & Caleb Cooke Autograph Document Signed, "Thomas Faunce", one page, octavo, March 3, 1685/6, being a period transcript of the bounds between land of John Gray and Caleb Cook. VG. 1688/89 Plimouth - Quit Claim - Edward Gray to John Gray Autograph Document Signed, one page, folio, "Town of Plimouth", March 4, 1688/89, Quit Claim, Edward Gray to John Gray, pertaining to father Edward Gray's estate. Signed by Edward Gray with wax seal. Witnessed by Samuel Sprague and Ephraim Colle. Staining, else VG. Edward Gray (1629-1681) Arrived at Plymouth c. 1643. Merchant and one of the wealthiest colonists. Served as Deputy, 1676-79. In 1677 was a member of a committee respecting debts due the colony and to balance accounts between towns following King Philip's War. Married #1 Mary Winslow, niece of Governor Edward Winslow. Married #2 Dorothy Lettice. The headstones of Edward Gray and his wife, Mary, are the oldest still standing in Burial Hill, Plymouth, Massachusetts. 1689 [Plymouth Co.] Deed, Samuel Little & Wife Sarah Manuscript Document Signed, one page, 15"x12", "Marshfield, in the County of Plimouth", January 15, 1689, being a deed of Samuel Little and his wife Sarah to John Gray. Signed by the Littles with seals. Witnessed by John Barkor and Rachal Newcom. Also signed by Nathaniel Thomas who adds a few lines. Fold splitting, else Good to VG. Nathaniel Thomas (1643-1718) Born in Plymouth, the son of Captain Nathaniel Thomas (1606-1675) Served in King Philip's War as captain of a company of Light Horse troops. For 23 years, Judge of the County Court; 16 years, Judge of the Probate Court; Register of Probate, 1686-1693; and 6 years a Judge of the Superior Court of Plymouth 1693 Plymouth.Will of Ephraim Morton Manuscript Document Signed, 2-1/2 pp. folio, Plymouth, November 2, 1693, being a will of Ephraim Morton who "being weak of body through sickness yet of disposing memory & understanding...ordain these presents to be my last Will & Testament..." Docketed "A true copy examined by Nathl Thomas Register." Light staining, else VG. Ephraim Morton (1623-1693) Born on the ship Anne en route to Plymouth. Probably adopted by his uncle Governor William Bradford. Representative of the Plymouth General Court, 1657-1685. In 1671 became a member of the Council of War, including the time of King Philip's War. Served as Sergeant/Lieut. in a Plymouth Military Co. Magistrate of the Colony, 1683. A Deacon of Plymouth Church, 1669-1693. 1693 Plymouth Estate Inv. of Lt Ephraim Morton Manuscript Document, one page, folio, "An Inventory of the Estate of Lieut. Ephraim Morton late of Plymouth deceased taken & apprized the first day of November 1693.." Fascinating list of materials belonging to Morton's estate. Verso is docketed "A true copy examined by Nathl Thomas Register." Staining, else VG. 1694 Plimouth Deed Capt. Joseph Howland to John Gray Manuscript Document Signed, one page, oblong folio, Plimouth, July 17, 1694, being a deed between Captain Joseph Howland and John Gray "in consideration of the full & just sum of fifteen pounds...[land] off Rockey Nooke in Plimouth..." Signed by Joseph Howland. Witnessed by James Winslow, Joseph Southworth. Docketed by Samuel Sprague on verso. Complete clean fold split at vertical fold, some staining, else VG.1700 Township of Plimouth - Deed James Winslow Manuscript Document Signed, one page, large folio, "Town of Plimouth", September 5, 1700, being a deed between James Winslow and John Gray, for 2/3rds of an acre of land for forty shillings. Signed by James W inslow, with wax seal. Witnessed by John Colle, and Nathaniel Clark, also signed by William Bradford, Justice of the Peace, with a few additional lines in his hand. Docketed by Samuel Sprague. Light stains and fold separations, else VG. William Bradford (162-1703/4) Born in Plymouth, son of Governor William Bradford. Deputy Governor of Plymouth Colony 1682-6 and 1689-91. Member of Governor Andro's Council in 1687. Chief military officer of Plymouth Colony. Served as Major Commander-in-Chief of the Plymouth forces at the Great Swamp Fight, 1675, the bloodiest battle of King Philip's War.1700 Town of Plimouth Deed Benjamin Eaton Sr. & jr. Manuscript Document Signed, one page, large folio, "Town of Plimoth", December 17, 1700, in part: "Benjamin Eaton Senr & Benjamin Eaton Junr...in consideration of the sum of Ten Pounds in Currant money of New England to us or one of us in hand by John Gray of Plimouth...[purchase] ten acres ...between Francis Billington lott & The lott that was John Cooper..." Signed by Benjamin Eaton Sr., his mark "X", and Benjamin Eaton, Jr., both with their seals. Also signed by William Bradford, Justice of the Peace, with three lines in his hand, and docketed by Samuel Sprague. VG. Benjamin Eaton Sr. (1627-1711/12) Born in Plymouth, the son of Mayflower passenger, Francis Eaton (1596-1633) Carolyn Remember, you have a friend in Oklahoma!

I'm trying to identify the parents of the Joseph PERRY who married (probably as this third wife) Abigail FORD of Marshfield (int. 1757). I believe them to be Joseph PERRY and Mercy LEACH, who m. in Scituate in 1714. They had a son Joseph in 1719, who would be about the right age to have had three wives and several children--all recorded in Scituate/Marshfield--by 1757. It's impossible, so far, to say that in each instance, it's the same Joseph Perry marrying, but all the marriages, wives' deaths, births and deaths of children, fit beautifully date- and location-wise, so it's quite possible that the data refer to the same man. However, there are also at least two "competing" Joseph Perrys to consider: Joseph Perry (twin of Benjamin), born 13 Oct 1733 in Plymouth to Abner and Josanah Perry AND Joseph Perry, "ch. W[illia]m dec'd 'Late' of Freetown, bp. June 11, 1732. C.R.2." (Scituate Births) Does anyone know of any facts that would eliminate any of these Josephs from being Abigail Ford's husband? Both of the latter two would seem too young to have had two wives already--and I'm pretty sure that Abigail was the third wife, although the evidence is not absolute. Elimination of these other Josephs would be a big plus. Does anyone know of any OTHER Joseph Perry of the right age and place that I've missed? I'd be most grateful for any help/advice. Kendall Mellem jimell@swbell.net

In the Scituate VRs, Births p. 293, I find three references to a "William Perry of Freetown." PERRY, Lydia, d. William of Freetown, "& adopted by Elizabeth Tolman wife of Benjam," bp. July 19, 1730. and PERRY, Joseph, ch. W[illia]m dec'd "Late" of Freetown, bp. June 11, 1732. C.R.2. PERRY, Elizabeth , ch. W[illi]m dec'd "Late" of Freetown, bp. June 11, 1732. C.R.2. Does anyone know who this William Perry of Freetown was and/or how he might/might not be connected to the Perrys of Scituate? There were several William Perrys in the Scituate area, and I'm trying to keep them all straight--not an easy task. This William of Freetown is totally unknown to me, but he could have come from the Scituate area--esp. if after his death his children were adopted/baptized there. The Mayflower tie-in is that my Joseph Perry of Scituate, married into a Mayflower line in 1757. (His third wife was Abigail Ford, descendant of Richard Warren.) I'm trying to identify Joseph's parents--but I'll make that a separate query. :-) Help/advice will be greatly appreciated! Kendall Mellem jimell@swbell.net

Hopkins Vol. 6, pg. 73, copywright 1995, states: Issac married Alice, does not say where. Also states; Isaac died bet. 15 May 1745 and 15 Feb. 1748 Duck Creek, Kent Co. DE -------Original Message------- From: XxGenealogyxX@aol.com Date: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:41:06 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Isaac Snow Lookup Could someone tell me what the Stephen Hopkins silver book has on the following Isaac Snow? The ancestral file has him moving to Delaware and married to a woman named Alice, and I'd like to determine if this is accurate. The lineage would be: Stephen Hopkins Constance Hopkins and Nicholas Snow John Snow and Mary Smalley Isaac Snow Thanks Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/

Could someone tell me what the Stephen Hopkins silver book has on the following Isaac Snow? The ancestral file has him moving to Delaware and married to a woman named Alice, and I'd like to determine if this is accurate. The lineage would be: Stephen Hopkins Constance Hopkins and Nicholas Snow John Snow and Mary Smalley Isaac Snow Thanks

Does anyone have any information of Bradfords or McCards in Georgia?

Would anyone know if our Richard Warren who came over on the Mayflower had a brother John Warren who came to Plymouth, MA? Thank you. Joan Reed Miller

Elizabeth Gibbs, daughter of Thomas Gibbs of Sandwich, Mass. and his first wife Joanna Swift, is listed in MF-Richard Warren Vol. 18 (Part 1), page 155. Elizabeth is listed as "b. 8 April 1717". She was baptized at the Sandwich Church on 28 Aug. 1737, along with sister Joanna, half-brother Solomon, and Dorothy, the second wife of Thomas and mother of Solomon. She is also mentioned without a surname in "the will of Thomas Gibbs of Sandwich, husbandman, dated 28 March 1744, proved 9 May 1746". Sorry, I do not have Parts 2 or 3 of Vol. 18. Fred Scott Ithaca, NY

I want to thank everyone for their replies. I have found this list to be an invaluable resource. Right now I have a little egg on my face. In my message I stated Elizabeth Gibbs was daughter of JOHN Gibbs & Judith Bates. Her father's name was JOB. (That's what happens when you get out of bed because you cannot sleep and try to write a well thought-out message.) ;) One of the arguments I have written in my draft article is the fact that Elizabeth Gibbs, daughter of Thomas & Joanna, was baptised after Elizabeth Gibbs, wife of Samuel Muxom, had her first child. Thanks again for everyone's help Ray Wawebft@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 07/10/2002 8:42:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, chandler@firstva.com writes: << But I'm confused (what's new?). >> Me too! I thought that Elizabeth, the daughter of Thomas and Dorothy Gibbs was baptised with her sibblings on 28 Aug 1737 which would have made "our" Elizabeth Gibbs Muxom already married to Samuel and very unlikely to still be named as Elizabeth Gibbs on a baptismal record. Also, wasn't our Elizabeth from Rochester and not from Sandwich like the Thomas and Dorothy family?? Sheila ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Raymond Wing [mailto:raymond.wing@snet.net] ***Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:00 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Elizabeth Gibbs, wife of Samuel Muxom of Rochester *** *** *** *** Does anyone know whether or not the Society of Mayflower ***Descendant still accepts Elizabeth Gibbs, wife of Samuel Muxom ***of Rochester, as a daughter of Thomas Gibbs & Joanna Swift? She ***is said to have descended from Richard Warren through: Richard, ***Nathaniel, Jane (m. Thomas Gibbs), Thomas Gibbs (Jr.) m. Joanna ***Swift, Elizabeth. *** ***I have found (with the help of others) three different ***contemporary records that indicate that the wife of Samuel Muxom ***was NOT the daughter of Thomas Gibbs & Joanna Swift. She was ***instead a daughter of John Gibbs & Judith Bates. Ray, I am strongly inclined to trust whatever you say, so please do not construe this as a challenge in the slightest. But I'm confused (what's new?). What Judith Bates and John Gibbs is this? The only Judith Bates I have found so far is one who is listed in MD 29:30 as marrying JOB Bates. Then MD 4:106 has a daughter Elizabeth for this couple--that is Job and Judith, born Aug. 15, 1706. I have marriage intentions for Samuel Muxom and Elizabeth Gibbs as Sep. 18, 1736, Rochester VR 2:136. Is that the right couple? This would mean Elizabeth married at age 30. Then I have children born at least until Samuel, Sep. 12, 1748 (Rochester VR 211) and somehow I've also got an Ezra, before June 9, 1751, whatever that means--I don't have a source listed for that. Perhaps it was some article. I respect any desire you have to wait for publication to explain the whole thing, but would you be willing to tell me if I have the right people here? The age for Elizabeth at marriage and for the last birth, whichever that was, is easily possible, but seems a little unusual, so I'm wondering if you've accounted for this not quite anomaly if indeed this is the right set of people. Also, are the dates from MD and the Rochester VR correct (if these are the right people)? I don't believe you'd be saying this if you weren't quite certain, and I don't believe you'd be certain without very good reason, so I'm eagerly awaiting the whole story. But for now, have I got the right people here?

I had heard that in volume 58 of The American Genealogist (TAG) continued tracing some descendants of the Maxim Family. This reference supposedly gave a date of marriage for Samuel Muxom & Elizabeth Gibbs as 11 NOV 1736. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone who has access to TAG if they could look this up for me to verify that this information is accurate as well as to let me know of the page number. Thanks in advance Ray

Does anyone know whether or not the Society of Mayflower Descendant still accepts Elizabeth Gibbs, wife of Samuel Muxom of Rochester, as a daughter of Thomas Gibbs & Joanna Swift? She is said to have descended from Richard Warren through: Richard, Nathaniel, Jane (m. Thomas Gibbs), Thomas Gibbs (Jr.) m. Joanna Swift, Elizabeth. I have found (with the help of others) three different contemporary records that indicate that the wife of Samuel Muxom was NOT the daughter of Thomas Gibbs & Joanna Swift. She was instead a daughter of John Gibbs & Judith Bates. I have drafted a short article for the Mayflower Descendant, but I want to check with others first to make sure I am not "covering old ground." BTW I cannot remember off-hand if Richard Warren has his own 5 generation book or if the most recent edition is still the "In Progress" edition? I do believe the full five generation book has not been published. Ray