On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:23:50 EDT Dickinsonadams@aol.com writes: > Is there a Mayflower connection in the Nathaniel Dickinson lineage? I don't see anyone in "Mayflower Marriages" that matches your line. The are a few Dickensons (spelled with an "e" in place of the "i") but there aren't any matches. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Is there a Mayflower connection in the Nathaniel Dickinson lineage? Thank you in advance for any information. Nathaniel Dickinson was the emigrant ancester. He was b. abt. 1600 and d. 16 June 1676. He married Anna GULLl. This is my lineage: One of the children of Nathaniel and Anna was Nehemiah Dickinson, b. abt. 1644 in Wethersfield, CT, m. 1671 Mary COWLES, d. 9 Sept. 1723 in Hadley, MA. Nathaniel Dickinson, b. 23 Aug. 1689, m. Dec. 1713 Hannah SMITH, daughter of Luke Smith, d. 1719 Moses Dickinson, b. 1718, m. Thankful SMITH, daughter of Chileab Smith, d. 9 April 1803 in Amherst, MA Medad Dickinson, b. 9 June 1755, m. 1) Sally Smith 2) Sally Morton, 3) Esther DICKINSON (my line), d. 23 Dec. 1825 Aaron Dickinson, b. 5 July 1802 in Amherst, MA, m. 1) Sarah Miller, 2) Abigail TEMPLE (my line), d. 3 March 1874. Rev. George Lyman Dickinson, b. 30 Aug. 1846, m. 1) Emma Cutler, 2) Lillian Selina NYE (my line), d. 8 Sept. 1917. Edward Samuel Dickinson, Sr., b. 24 Jan. 1896, m. 9 Sept. 1916 Eva May PARSONS, d. 9 Jan. 1969. Edward Samuel Dickinson, Jr., b. 24 July 1917, m. 7 Feb. 1942 Ruth Catherine DAYTON, d. 13 May 1975. Emily Ruth Dickinson-Adams, b. 6 Feb. 1950, m. 21 Oct. 1972 Roger Gilbert Adams, Jr.

I subscribe to a list from shagmail.com called Time Capsules. This was included in today's mailing: On this date in 1620, Dutch pilgrims left for America. Their ship -- called the "Speedhaven" -- set sail from Delfshaven, Holland. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was the Speedwell? Karen Flanders Eddy

In a message dated 07/22/2002 5:58:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, c2bjm58@yahoo.com writes: << And they had mentioned is another form of information that could be used is a census record . >> I had a problem with one generation - born 1813 in New York with no birth records, died in Arizona 1885 with no death records. I was able to submit a church membership record of family along with Federal census'. Sheila, descendant of Wm. Brewster through Patience Prence.

Mimi: I had also come across the same problem. I had been unable to find a birth record of my grandmother. I had e-mailed the Mayflower Association in Boston . And they had mentioned is another form of information that could be used is a census record . This would show who her/his parents were and the age of that person, and who the parents were. Hope this helps.. Barbara Miriam Barker <mimi.barker@mindspring.com> wrote: I sent the below two days ago, but it hasn't shown up on the list yet, so I'm sending it again. I hope it gets through this time. I've been lurking on this list for a little while, reading and learning, and I think I'm ready to pose a few questions now. I'm fairly new to genealogy, that is, to doing it properly. I've been dabbling in it for a few years, mostly gathering family lore and putting together a family tree with little or no documentation, at least very few primary sources. Now I'm pursuing membership in the Mayflower Society as a gift for a sister's landmark birthday, and finding out that I have barely scratched the surface in putting our family tree together the way it ought to be done! After contacting the Society, I started by gathering primary source documents for the most recent generations. Today I received a letter back from the state where I was sure one of my grandmothers was born, stating that no record of her birth had been found. The search goes on, but it did raise the question for me, what if I CAN'T find a birth certificate or official record for her (or someone else in my line)? What other options do I have that would be acceptable? Anyone who has been done this road and has some words of wisdom to share? Do the options get wider as I get further away from myself? I'm fairly certain that I have at least three (actually four) lines of descent by which I could claim membership in the Society (assuming that I can prove them). I have contacted the Society about two of the three lines (I didn't have the info on the third and fourth yet) to see if other descendants had applied for membership, and found out that both lines are proved to the fifth generation. Which is great but doesn't get me much farther ahead since I knew that the Society had already proved the first five generations anyway. I still have high hopes for that third and fourth routes. And it occurred to me that someone on this list might know something about some of these generations beyond the fifth. All this to say that I am wondering if anyone can point me to some good, reliable secondary sources. I have the silver and pink books already, but am wondering about less well known sources such as family or regional histories, and how to find out how much confidence to put in any given source. I don't mind doing my own research, and am looking forward to it, but would love a few pointers to help me know where best to spend my time. Also, does anyone spot any glaring errors in any of the following, or misspellings? Thanks for your help. Here are the lines of interest up to my grandparents: 1. Richard WARREN Abigail WARREN -- Anthony SNOW Alice SNOW -- Robert BARKER Caleb BARKER -- Ann CARR John BARKER -- Grace TURNER Caleb BARKER -- Illathera HOWLAND Benjamin Howland BARKER -- Anne JOHNSON Jacob Johnson BARKER -- Mary Jane RICHARDSON George Washington BARKER -- Catherine Boodry HOAR Miles Standish BARKER -- Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS 2. William BREWSTER Patience BREWSTER -- Thomas PRENCE Mercy PRENCE -- John FREEMAN Edmond FREEMAN -- Sarah MAYO Mary FREEMAN -- Samuel HINCKLEY Seth HINCKLEY -- Thankful ATWOOD Mercy Nancy HINCKLEY -- Benjamin WHITNEY Isabella WHITNEY -- Increase BLETHEN Sarah BLETHEN -- Thaddeus RICHARDSON Mary Jane RICHARDSON -- Jacob Johnson BARKER George Washington BARKER -- Catherine Boodry HOAR Miles Standish BARKER -- Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS 3-4. William BREWSTER Patience BREWSTER -- Thomas PRENCE Mercy PRENCE -- John FREEMAN Edmond FREEMAN -- Sarah MAYO Experience FREEMAN -- Thomas GROSS Freeman GROSS -- Susanna DEMING Experience GROSS -- Thomas ENSIGN Freeman ENSIGN -- Mary Ann BRUCE Eliza ENSIGN -- Miles NORTHRUP Sarah NORTHRUP -- George Washington PHILLIPS Iva Imogene PHILLIPS -- Euler Newton HOPKINS Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS -- Miles Standish BARKER Ione Imogene HOPKINS -- Lynn Elmer BARKER Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS (The last few lines here reflect two sisters, Iva and Hattie Phillips, whose children (first cousins) married each other.) --- Mimi Barker ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better

I've been lurking on this list for a little while, reading and learning, and I think I'm ready to pose a few questions now. I'm fairly new to genealogy, that is, to doing it properly. I've been dabbling in it for a few years, mostly gathering family lore and putting together a family tree with little or no documentation, at least very few primary sources. Now I'm pursuing membership in the Mayflower Society as a gift for a sister's landmark birthday, and finding out that I have barely scratched the surface in putting our family tree together the way it ought to be done! After contacting the Society, I started by gathering primary source documents for the most recent generations. Today I received a letter back from the state where I was sure one of my grandmothers was born, stating that no record of her birth had been found. The search goes on, but it did raise the question for me, what if I CAN'T find a birth certificate or official record for her (or someone else in my line)? What other options do I have that would be acceptable? Anyone who has been done this road and has some words of wisdom to share? Do the options get wider as I get further away from myself? I'm fairly certain that I have at least three (actually four) lines of descent by which I could claim membership in the Society (assuming that I can prove them). I have contacted the Society about two of the three lines (I didn't have the info on the third and fourth yet) to see if other descendants had applied for membership, and found out that both lines are proved to the fifth generation. Which is great but doesn't get me much farther ahead since I knew that the Society had already proved the first five generations anyway. I still have high hopes for that third and fourth routes. And it occurred to me that someone on this list might know something about some of these generations beyond the fifth. All this to say that I am wondering if anyone can point me to some good, reliable secondary sources. I have the silver and pink books already, but am wondering about less well known sources such as family or regional histories, and how to find out how much confidence to put in any given source. I don't mind doing my own research, and am looking forward to it, but would love a few pointers to help me know where best to spend my time. Also, does anyone spot any glaring errors in any of the following, or misspellings? Thanks for your help. Here are the lines of interest up to my grandparents: 1. Richard WARREN Abigail WARREN -- Anthony SNOW Alice SNOW -- Robert BARKER Caleb BARKER -- Ann CARR John BARKER -- Grace TURNER Caleb BARKER -- Illathera HOWLAND Benjamin Howland BARKER -- Anne JOHNSON Jacob Johnson BARKER -- Mary Jane RICHARDSON George Washington BARKER -- Catherine Boodry HOAR Miles Standish BARKER -- Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS 2. William BREWSTER Patience BREWSTER -- Thomas PRENCE Mercy PRENCE -- John FREEMAN Edmond FREEMAN -- Sarah MAYO Mary FREEMAN -- Samuel HINCKLEY Seth HINCKLEY -- Thankful ATWOOD Mercy Nancy HINCKLEY -- Benjamin WHITNEY Isabella WHITNEY -- Increase BLETHEN Sarah BLETHEN -- Thaddeus RICHARDSON Mary Jane RICHARDSON -- Jacob Johnson BARKER George Washington BARKER -- Catherine Boodry HOAR Miles Standish BARKER -- Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS 3-4. William BREWSTER Patience BREWSTER -- Thomas PRENCE Mercy PRENCE -- John FREEMAN Edmond FREEMAN -- Sarah MAYO Experience FREEMAN -- Thomas GROSS Freeman GROSS -- Susanna DEMING Experience GROSS -- Thomas ENSIGN Freeman ENSIGN -- Mary Ann BRUCE Eliza ENSIGN -- Miles NORTHRUP Sarah NORTHRUP -- George Washington PHILLIPS Iva Imogene PHILLIPS -- Euler Newton HOPKINS Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS -- Miles Standish BARKER Ione Imogene HOPKINS -- Lynn Elmer BARKER Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS (The last few lines here reflect two sisters, Iva and Hattie Phillips, whose children (first cousins) married each other.) --- Mimi Barker

I sent the below two days ago, but it hasn't shown up on the list yet, so I'm sending it again. I hope it gets through this time. I've been lurking on this list for a little while, reading and learning, and I think I'm ready to pose a few questions now. I'm fairly new to genealogy, that is, to doing it properly. I've been dabbling in it for a few years, mostly gathering family lore and putting together a family tree with little or no documentation, at least very few primary sources. Now I'm pursuing membership in the Mayflower Society as a gift for a sister's landmark birthday, and finding out that I have barely scratched the surface in putting our family tree together the way it ought to be done! After contacting the Society, I started by gathering primary source documents for the most recent generations. Today I received a letter back from the state where I was sure one of my grandmothers was born, stating that no record of her birth had been found. The search goes on, but it did raise the question for me, what if I CAN'T find a birth certificate or official record for her (or someone else in my line)? What other options do I have that would be acceptable? Anyone who has been done this road and has some words of wisdom to share? Do the options get wider as I get further away from myself? I'm fairly certain that I have at least three (actually four) lines of descent by which I could claim membership in the Society (assuming that I can prove them). I have contacted the Society about two of the three lines (I didn't have the info on the third and fourth yet) to see if other descendants had applied for membership, and found out that both lines are proved to the fifth generation. Which is great but doesn't get me much farther ahead since I knew that the Society had already proved the first five generations anyway. I still have high hopes for that third and fourth routes. And it occurred to me that someone on this list might know something about some of these generations beyond the fifth. All this to say that I am wondering if anyone can point me to some good, reliable secondary sources. I have the silver and pink books already, but am wondering about less well known sources such as family or regional histories, and how to find out how much confidence to put in any given source. I don't mind doing my own research, and am looking forward to it, but would love a few pointers to help me know where best to spend my time. Also, does anyone spot any glaring errors in any of the following, or misspellings? Thanks for your help. Here are the lines of interest up to my grandparents: 1. Richard WARREN Abigail WARREN -- Anthony SNOW Alice SNOW -- Robert BARKER Caleb BARKER -- Ann CARR John BARKER -- Grace TURNER Caleb BARKER -- Illathera HOWLAND Benjamin Howland BARKER -- Anne JOHNSON Jacob Johnson BARKER -- Mary Jane RICHARDSON George Washington BARKER -- Catherine Boodry HOAR Miles Standish BARKER -- Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS 2. William BREWSTER Patience BREWSTER -- Thomas PRENCE Mercy PRENCE -- John FREEMAN Edmond FREEMAN -- Sarah MAYO Mary FREEMAN -- Samuel HINCKLEY Seth HINCKLEY -- Thankful ATWOOD Mercy Nancy HINCKLEY -- Benjamin WHITNEY Isabella WHITNEY -- Increase BLETHEN Sarah BLETHEN -- Thaddeus RICHARDSON Mary Jane RICHARDSON -- Jacob Johnson BARKER George Washington BARKER -- Catherine Boodry HOAR Miles Standish BARKER -- Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS 3-4. William BREWSTER Patience BREWSTER -- Thomas PRENCE Mercy PRENCE -- John FREEMAN Edmond FREEMAN -- Sarah MAYO Experience FREEMAN -- Thomas GROSS Freeman GROSS -- Susanna DEMING Experience GROSS -- Thomas ENSIGN Freeman ENSIGN -- Mary Ann BRUCE Eliza ENSIGN -- Miles NORTHRUP Sarah NORTHRUP -- George Washington PHILLIPS Iva Imogene PHILLIPS -- Euler Newton HOPKINS Hattie Elvira PHILLIPS -- Miles Standish BARKER Ione Imogene HOPKINS -- Lynn Elmer BARKER Lynn Elmer BARKER -- Ione Imogene HOPKINS (The last few lines here reflect two sisters, Iva and Hattie Phillips, whose children (first cousins) married each other.) --- Mimi Barker

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Cynthia [mailto:NewEnglanders1620@samnet.net] ***Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 9:33 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Mayflower / Plymouth Colony ancestors **** have a Mary Newland that married Henry Howland, does anyone *** know her parents ? , married 1624 at Duxbury. ***=============================== ***Cynthia Hi Cynthia, I have no knowledge of this other than what I have read in a _National Genealogical Society Quarterly_ article. In NGSQ 75:105ff there is an article by Robert Wakefield and Robert Sherman ("Henry Howland of Duxbury, Massachusetts, 1633") which states. "Although this wife is called Mary Newland by several writers, no evidence for her surname has been located in a contemporary record." (NGSQ 75:105") Also, according to the article, the marriage was "probably" in England. I noticed that Anderson's GMB cites this article, so as recently as 1995 it appears there had been no change. I know nothing about what may have happened since then. Harlow

My Mayflower and/or Plymouth Colony ancestors are: -- * Richard Church (have 2 lines here with Elizabeth Warren] Hingham * Keith [Rev. James]..Easton * Thomas Manley, Easton area * John Field, [dau Lydia marr.Thomas Manley] * Anthony Everdon of Providnce RI, 1645 * Robert Dunbar...Scotland and Hingham * James, Hugh-2 Cole * Richard Foxwell and Anne(Shelly?) * Richard Warren..Plymouth * Samuel Thaxter ..Hingham [mar.Abigail Church,1666] * Thomas Hayward...Bridgewater [dau Susannah mar.David3Dunbar,1738] * Arthur Howland [brother of Henry and John] * Zacheus Butts mar. Sarah Cornell * ___Rarden or Barden,...anyone have info?, probably in Swansea,Ma area she married Isaac5 Cole betw. 1770-1772 ============================ Hubby's are: -- * Henry Samson / Sampson, Plymouth...later Duxbury] * Robert Sprout [married Eliz.2 Samson,1661] Middleboro area * Anne Plummer.....who are her parents ? she married Henry Samson,1635/6] * Thomas Oldham [ married Mercy Sprout3,1683] Scituate area...parents? * Henry Howland [brother of John of Plymouth] * John Wing [wife was a Dillingham, father Edward ?] cape area * Samuel Tilton [of Lynn,Mass and Cape Cod area, father William?] * Paul Seares [Barnstable area] * John Young [ married Abigail Howland, dau of Henry] * ____Davis [dau Sarah,married Joseph Young 1679] * have a Mary Newland that married Henry Howland, does anyone know her parents ? , married 1624 at Duxbury. =============================== Cynthia administrator for: Ma-Bay-Colony-L@rootsweb.com search the archives of MBC http://archiver.rootsweb.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Upgrade Outlook - Add COLOR to your Emails

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Howard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/169 Message Board Post: I am trying to prove just EXACTLY who were the right parents of Irene Howard. I have 2 birth dates..1728 & 1752. 2 sets of parents..Thomas Howard & Sarah Standish & Thomas Howard (their son) & Mary Pember. I think the second set is right, but can't seem to PROVE it. Does anyone have access to the book that goes beyond the 5 generations to the next 1 or 2? I greatly appreciate any & all help. Thank you...Teri Anderson...

I have found more information on Elizabeth (GIBBS) Muxom which supports the statement she was the daughter of Job Gibbs & Judith Bates. On page 54 of the published Wareham Church Records, taken from page 62 of the original records, shows deaths for 1791 as follows: "8 Elisabeth Muxham died of a numb palsy Sep. 17 -- AE 86th" Elizabeth, daughter of Job & Judith was born 15 AUG 1706. Today we would call Elizabeth age 85 at the time of her death. However, when she died (in 1791) it was the custom to say in her 86th year. It appears that Elizabeth was about 45 years old when her last child was born. While rare, it was more common for a woman to have had their last child at age 45, then at age 34 [the age Elizabeth Gibbs, daughter of Thomas Gibbs & Joanna Swift was]

I've had interesting conversations off-list with subscribers regarding documentation of sources for web pages. Folks have found a number of ways to partially automate the production of a site with source references, but I haven't yet seen anything that I think would help with the format I've chosen. I'm using a modified Register format, with inline source abbreviations hotlinked to expanded source information (inspired by recent Five Generations books and the online edition of "The Great Migration Begins"). If you would like to see the format I'm using, be my guest. Be aware that this is very much a work in progress and is not yet "public." In order to keep this on topic <grin> I'll point you to what I'm working on for the Washburn family - John^2 Washburn married Elizabet Mitchell (grand-daughter of Francis Cooke of the Mayflower). http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/oldcolony/genealogy/washburn1.html Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

You gotta love our diversity! And now, is anyone else having a "problem" with the GEN-MASS. list -- I've gotten 18 messages from it this morning in a period of a half hour? It's no biggie - just curious - wondering what's going on? Terri

In a message dated 7/19/02 7:25:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, radiotest@juno.com writes: << Perhaps that is because citing volume and page requires a) detailed source citations in one's database and b) lots of hand-writing or hand-editing of HTML code. >> Hi Dale ~ I put the source info in my FTM program....you can add page #s, text etc.....when I make a genealogy report, I export it ,as an ASCII file, to a folder I made called Genfiles in the C drive......then I can copy and paste to e-mails.....cut out the living, leave the "end notes" that give sources or not.... My daughter is still teaching me html, but I think you could just put the html tags at the beginning and end of the text and have the whole thing done.....please correct me if I'm wrong! I have one online, without *all* the sources, at: <http://members.aol.com/dashmom/hubbard.html> Dianne

Susan, I think your soapbox was an unfair response to a simple and entirely appropriate question. It's arrogant of you to presume that everyone has or should have your knowledge of, or access to, the "accepted" sources in Mayflower genealogy. For most newbies, including myself, it can be very difficult to discern which sources are reliable and which are not. The theory that William's wife was Hannah Brewster was (first?) proposed in Ridlon's genealogy of the Soule family, which the Mayflower Society itself used as a reference in its Soule Silver book. Let's keep this an "open" forum where ANYONE with questions can post without fear of petty criticism. roser@iprimus.ca writes: > > There seems to be a large amount of conflicting information regarding > Hannah, the wife of William Soule (bef. 1671 - 1723). > > > > Some have her listed as Hannah Brewster and refer to two other husbands of > Hannah Brewster, to wit: John Thompson and Samuel Starr. > > > > Does anyone know who Hannah, the wife of William Soule was? Any idea why > there seems to be so much confusion regarding her? > ________________________ > > I'm not sure where you are getting your info from, but there is no > conflicting data or confusion over Hannah ( ) Soule or Hannah (Brewster) > Starr. > > The identity of the wife of William Soule is unknown and has been unknown > as far back as the 1980 Soule MF 5 generation silver book. It remains > unknown > today in the Soule MFIP books. > > The Hannah Brewster who married Samuel Starr is the daughter of Jonathan2 > Brewster (William1). She m. 2nd, James Morgan. (There was no John Thompson > involved.) > ____________________ > > Now for the soapbox: > > It would be of tremendous help to give the source when stating there is > conflicting data so that those who read the data we submit can evaluate > it's reliability. A check of the LDS site shows this is where the above > data came from. The fact that in this case, Mayflower research does not > agree with the data found at the site, does not mean there is conflicting > data, it means that like a great deal of the data found in the Ancestral > Files, it is old, unproven and unreliable. To say it is conflicting is > actually misleading and leads people to think there is some question about > the line - when there hasn't been a question for years, if ever. > > Wouldn't it be much better to say for example, I found this data at the LDS > site - how reliable is it? > > Susan E. Roser > www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

I would have to agree with Susan - I don't see any conflict here. I looked at all seven of the sites that Steve mentioned. The first four did not cite sources. The fifth cited a family history for the marriage of William Soule and Hannah Brewster: G.T. Ridlon Sr., History, Biography and Genealogy of the Families Named Soule, Sowle and Soulis, Journal Press, Lewiston, Maine, Volume I, This book is the second volume of the history and genealogy of the Soule, Sowle and Soulis families of Connecticut., 1926, ONLY FIVE HUNDRED COPIES PRINTED. I am not familiar with this work and do not know whether or not it in turn cites a primary source for the marriage. The web site does not specify which page of the genealogy that information comes from. The sixth site did not cite sources. The seventh site has "REFERENCE: 12332" under the names of both William Soule and Hannah Brewster, but it is not hotlinked or footnoted so I have no idea what "REFERENCE: 12332" is. By contrast the work that Susan cited (MF 5) does document its sources. Now for my soapbox <grin>... There are precious few web sites that cite a source for each item of information. There is a very tiny subset of those that cite volume and page for each item in the way that any major genealogical journal does. Perhaps that is because citing volume and page requires a) detailed source citations in one's database and b) lots of hand-writing or hand-editing of HTML code. I can speak from the experience of my work on my own nascent genealogy site. I export each family from my database to RTF format with full footnotes for the citations, and massage it by hand to hotlink each item of information to its source, citing volume and page. It is a great deal of work, requiring about 15 hours to produce a 30k page for the second generation of one family. I have not found any tools that can partially automate the process while providing detailed source citations. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Could some kind soul scan and email me a copy of the page of the George Soule information from the Silver Book on Mayflower Families? I copied every page that I needed but that one! Yucky on my part. I believe it is page one. I have the page with John Soule and Rebecca Simmons information. Thank you in advance. Dianna

Thanks very much for the response. I received two others off the list but none quite so . . um, er, pointed. J You wrote: "Wouldn't it be much better to say for example, I found this data at the LDS site - how reliable is it?" I guess it might have been "better" . had I gathered my information from the LDS site. While I enjoy the genealogy hobby, I have to sandwich my hobby time (like many folks) between many other "conflicting" responsibilities and, as a consequence, I don't often have well-organized notes. I apologize for not listing my references and for creating the circumstances that led you to your erroneous conclusion (that the info was from the LDS site). Below are a few sites (at least one of which mentions Ridlon) . that mention that William Soule married Hannah Brewster. I in no way endorse their conclusion or methods . simply found them while doing a google search . there were many more as well. Ancestry.com has some lines that also include the Soule/Brewster union. We are all well aware of the dual nature of interent information ... some is great and some is garbage. Of course, all of these folks (with the exception, perhaps, of Ridlon) could have gotten their information from the LDS site??? My question was not so much concerning the reliability of the LDS site (or any site) but rather attempted to address: 1) the certainty of anyone's knowledge of an event so long past, (which you answered: no one knows for certain unless your answer is "no one knows the identity but it certainly is not Hannah Brewster?) and mostly 2) the reason for the confusion. As a neophyte to the genealogy hobby, I thought that there may have been some long story about feuding genealogists disagreeing .. Something along the lines of why there is no Silver book on Howland (which I'd still like to know). Again I apologize that my question was framed so poorly that it elicited the soapbox's wrath. I'll be much more careful in the future. You wrote: "The fact that in this case, Mayflower research does not agree with the data found at the site, does not mean there is conflicting data, it means that like a great deal of the data found in the Ancestral Files, it is old, unproven and unreliable." Regarding the denotation of "conflict" (or "data") and whether conflict does not exist when one side of the "conflict" doesn't recognize any validity in the other's argument . well I'll leave that alone . it does sound a bit like the Middle East where much effort is spent on whether one side will "recognize" the rights of the other side to "exist" when they certainly are existing.. these distinctions are for greater minds than mine .. You wrote: "To say it is conflicting is actually misleading and leads people to think there is some question about the line -" If I could "lead people to think" ANYTHING I'd have made millions in marketing. J People think what they want to think. I'm a functionalist (a la Katz) with regard to persuasion. You wrote: ".when there hasn't been a question for years, if ever." I'm certain you mean something like "there hasn't been a 'legitimate' question for years, if ever" or something similar. It is obvious to me that some folks still are "questioning" whether Hannah Brewster was William Soule's wife. I apologize again for (seemingly) touching a nerve. Steve Ferriss in Storrs, Connecticut A few sites mentioned above: http://www.neteasy.com/pages/kawillden/dod/pafg137.htm http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history/allen/Web%20Cards/WC26/WC26_208.HTM http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dasisson/richard/aqwg08.htm http://www.greencity.org/d0000/g0000022.html http://www.krittersnkids.com/gen/Soule/RR01/RR01_005.htm http://www.geocities.com/adashi7/jasonandy.html http://genealogyrogerson.com/html/d0009/g0000083.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan E. Roser To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: [MFLR] William Soule's wife Hannah & Soapbox > There seems to be a large amount of conflicting information regarding Hannah, the wife of William Soule (bef. 1671 - 1723). > > Some have her listed as Hannah Brewster and refer to two other husbands of Hannah Brewster, to wit: John Thompson and Samuel Starr. > > Does anyone know who Hannah, the wife of William Soule was? Any idea why there seems to be so much confusion regarding her? ________________________ I'm not sure where you are getting your info from, but there is no conflicting data or confusion over Hannah ( ) Soule or Hannah (Brewster) Starr. The identity of the wife of William Soule is unknown and has been unknown as far back as the 1980 Soule MF 5 generation silver book. It remains unknown today in the Soule MFIP books. The Hannah Brewster who married Samuel Starr is the daughter of Jonathan2 Brewster (William1). She m. 2nd, James Morgan. (There was no John Thompson involved.) ____________________ Now for the soapbox: It would be of tremendous help to give the source when stating there is conflicting data so that those who read the data we submit can evaluate it's reliability. A check of the LDS site shows this is where the above data came from. The fact that in this case, Mayflower research does not agree with the data found at the site, does not mean there is conflicting data, it means that like a great deal of the data found in the Ancestral Files, it is old, unproven and unreliable. To say it is conflicting is actually misleading and leads people to think there is some question about the line - when there hasn't been a question for years, if ever. Wouldn't it be much better to say for example, I found this data at the LDS site - how reliable is it? Susan E. 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Right on, Susan! Let's FIRST get the facts straight. There is FAR TOO MUCH MIS-information on the various internet sources. Bette Bradway (Assist. Hist. General)

> There seems to be a large amount of conflicting information regarding Hannah, the wife of William Soule (bef. 1671 - 1723). > > Some have her listed as Hannah Brewster and refer to two other husbands of Hannah Brewster, to wit: John Thompson and Samuel Starr. > > Does anyone know who Hannah, the wife of William Soule was? Any idea why there seems to be so much confusion regarding her? ________________________ I'm not sure where you are getting your info from, but there is no conflicting data or confusion over Hannah ( ) Soule or Hannah (Brewster) Starr. The identity of the wife of William Soule is unknown and has been unknown as far back as the 1980 Soule MF 5 generation silver book. It remains unknown today in the Soule MFIP books. The Hannah Brewster who married Samuel Starr is the daughter of Jonathan2 Brewster (William1). She m. 2nd, James Morgan. (There was no John Thompson involved.) ____________________ Now for the soapbox: It would be of tremendous help to give the source when stating there is conflicting data so that those who read the data we submit can evaluate it's reliability. A check of the LDS site shows this is where the above data came from. The fact that in this case, Mayflower research does not agree with the data found at the site, does not mean there is conflicting data, it means that like a great deal of the data found in the Ancestral Files, it is old, unproven and unreliable. To say it is conflicting is actually misleading and leads people to think there is some question about the line - when there hasn't been a question for years, if ever. Wouldn't it be much better to say for example, I found this data at the LDS site - how reliable is it? Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html