What interesting reading this morning - thank you all. Gotta jump in with my 1 1/2 cents. I can't speak with as much authority - I'm just starting my genealogy - but I can offer what I've been given by a cousin and a very kind soul at the list, on what is my line of Snow's in NS. According to A History of Barrington Township and Vicinity, Shelburne County, NS 1604-1870 by Edwin Crowell, M.A., D.D. Yarmouth, NS. <No date in front but August 1923 in (missing word/words?) add by Rev. Edwin Crowell, Yarmouth, NS> p. 574 Joshua Snow moved to Roseway soon after the settlement of Barrington where he had lot No. 38 at the Head. In 1785 he shared in the Grant of 4700 acres on the west side of Roseway and between that port and Cape Negro to the following... (goes on to name several people - as I'm hand typing this, I'll omit, but if anyone wants or needs the names, please let me know) Further -- Joshua Snow, gr. (grantee) b. 1735 m. Mary d. Eleazar Doane, Roseway, was son of Jabez Snow of Eastham. (And, if I'm on the right track, this is the third Jabez in the line - I haven't confirmed with the Mayflower folks yet). This line continues for me, in NS, with Warren Snow, Mary Ann Snow, Charles Lamrock, Harry H. Lamrock, Jean Lamrock -- my mother and born in MA. - me - born in Phila.. As a little side chuckle - I'd thought my paternal side would lead to the Mayflower - so far they're all in NJ - and was quite surprised to find my maternal side being the Mayflower connection - all in NS - thru Snow, Church, and Warren. Interested to see more discussion -- Terri

***-----Original Message----- ***From: LeeTodo@aol.com [mailto:LeeTodo@aol.com] ***Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:25 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Re: (MFLR) Richard Warren Line ***if someone sees a problem with this line that I missed. *** ***Richard Warren ***Mary Warren - Robert Bartlett ***Mary Bartlett Foster - Jonathan Morey ***Jonathan Morey - Hannah Bourne ***Thankful Morey - Thomas Swift ***Thankful Swift - Nathanael Wing Jr. ***Olive Wing - Enoch Swift Jr. *** ***Thanks, ***Lee I replied a little while ago citing the Bartlett MFIP. To expand a bit, _Mayflower Descendant_13:33-4, "Plymouth , Mass, Vital Records" has the family of Thomas Swift and wife Thankful, and the list concludes with "The above named Thankful Swift ye Daughter deceasd abot May 26, 1754." This is the record cited by Robert S. Wakefield in the Bartlett MFIP. However, there is an article in the NEHG Register by Lydia Brownson and Maclean McLean (125:248) which in a footnote speaks of Thankful Swift and Nathaniel Wing (and cites this same Mayflower Descendant article which says she died a year before the marriage!). It identifies her as the Thankful you have. I cannot explain this and I have a thunder storm coming over me right now and have to unplug the computer--sorry to be so abrupt with the information. Maybe you have found an explanation for this seeming inconsistency, or maybe it's something to look into further. Good luck.

***-----Original Message----- ***From: LeeTodo@aol.com [mailto:LeeTodo@aol.com] ***Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:25 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Re: (MFLR) Richard Warren Line *** *** ***I am currently working on the following line for my husband. I ***have some of ***the needed documentation and am waiting for others to arrive. ***Meanwhile I ***thought I would check and see if anyone else has the same or ***similar line OR ***if someone sees a problem with this line that I missed. *** ***Richard Warren ***Mary Warren - Robert Bartlett ***Mary Bartlett Foster - Jonathan Morey ***Jonathan Morey - Hannah Bourne ***Thankful Morey - Thomas Swift ***Thankful Swift - Nathanael Wing Jr. ***Olive Wing - Enoch Swift Jr. *** ***Thanks, ***Lee I'm short of time and can't check further than this at the moment--the line down to Thankful Swift agrees with the Robert Bartlett MFIP. However that MFIP says Thankful died at age 16. The MFIP stops there--I have no idea whether this is a problem--that is, whether she had a child before she died.

I am currently working on the following line for my husband. I have some of the needed documentation and am waiting for others to arrive. Meanwhile I thought I would check and see if anyone else has the same or similar line OR if someone sees a problem with this line that I missed. Richard Warren Mary Warren - Robert Bartlett Mary Bartlett Foster - Jonathan Morey Jonathan Morey - Hannah Bourne Thankful Morey - Thomas Swift Thankful Swift - Nathanael Wing Jr. Olive Wing - Enoch Swift Jr. Thanks, Lee

John, Although you addressed your question to Pamela, I'm going to jump in here and answer and then go back to work cleaning out my house in preparation to move. For the 26 years that I have been involved with the Mayflower Society as an Historian on one level or another, the Silver Books have ALMOST ALWAYS been fully accepted by the Historian General, without any further documentation being submitted, UNLESS new information has surfaced which negates what is published in them. Right now, since the old volumes 1 and 2 have been completely re-researched (if there is such a word) and republished under different volume numbers, MF1 and MF2 really should not be used as references for any lineage papers, although you may still find them in various libraries who haven't up-dated their collection. However, if the old books are the only ones you have access to, cite them and we'll change the references to the new books in the Historian General's office. The same is true of MF Vol. 3 (Soule) although we are still accepting that to some extent. That should be used with the new Soule "MFIPs" (pamphlets) which provide better information than the original MF3. Once a new Silver book is published on George Soule, then MF 3 will also be completely obsolete. Often, State Historians will take care of these problems for you and you won't even have to worry about it. The problem you MAY run into is when a person is shown as a "possible" child or even a "probable" child in any of the Silver books. There is no solid documentation that has been found by the Prime Researchers that can be cited, although circumstantial evidence seems to be pointing in that direction. These people cannot be positively attached though the use of vital, church, probate, land or other records where the families resided or are known to have died. However, if the residence of some of these people cannot be discovered, further research cannot be done. Sometimes, an applicant will have information about where they migrated to and be able to provide good supporting evidence for possible or probable children. Without that additional proof, children marked "possible" are not likely to be accepted even though they are shown in the Silver Books and those marked "probable" may still be very "iffy!" (Mrs.) Bette Innes Bradway Assistant Historian General, et. al.

Dear John, Your basic concern/question is frequently asked, and I shall refer you to several URLs which you will find extremely helpful. http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm http://members.aol.com/calebj/mayflower.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~canms/applicat.html It is not essential to spend your hard earned dollars to buy one or more of the GSMD 'silver books' for they can be found in major genealogical libraries, and/or acquired through inter-library loan. However, many do choose to buy them. I do urge you to make use of the "Proposed Application Review Form" found at: http://www.mayflower.org/apform.htm which you can mail (along with a check for $5) to either your State Historian or the GSMD in Plymouth, MA. Susan Roser writes the following on her website: "A synopsis form can be printed from the General Society’s site (where you will also find their address) and should be filled out (Mayflower passenger #1) and sent along with $5 (U.S.). If a previously approved, well documented paper is found, you will be sent a copy, and will be able to use the data & sources from that paper, up to the point where your lines branch off, which means your documentation efforts will begin at this point. If the search proves successful, this could be extremely beneficial and cut down on the number of generations you will have to document." Best regards, Pam Sears John A Hansen wrote: > > Dear Pamela: > > <snip> > > The question of documentation and references is crucial especially for > any Society such as the Mayflower. However, sometimes there is a > point to be made that one needs some direction and hints ( hypothesis) > in order to go in some direction for their research. I took the original > questions as being in that light. I would agree totally that the > Silver books should be the first stop. The few dollars of cost > as compared to the thousands and thousands of hours of research > that went into these is the bargain of the century!!!. > > Do you happen to know if there has been a change in policy regarding > the accepting of the documentation in the Silver books as proof. In > other words can the Silver books be quoted as the documentation on > a certain line? At one time that was not the case and independant > certified copies had to be supplied with the application. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best Regards > John A Hansen > > > > > > > 1. Let me point out that no one (with one possible exception) has cited > > any source(s) for the above information :-). > > <snip> > > > 3. The standard reference for Stephen Hopkins is the "silver book" > > published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants: "Mayflower > > Families Through Five Generations: Family of Stephen Hopkins" by John D. > > Austin, F.A.S.G. Vol. 6. [My copy is the 2nd edition, 1995].

Dear Kathy, Meagan, Leslie & Charlie, Most of the following were posts to the Mayflower Descendants Message Boards, but all were 'gatewayed' to the Mayflower Mail List. Since I have seen no replies to any of them, I shall try to address all issues. On 2 Mar 2002, Kathy Evanson posted the following to the Mayflower Descendants Message Boards: > I am a descendant of Stephen Hopkins' daughter, Constance and John Snow>Rebecca Snow and Benjamin Small(ey)>Rebecca Small & Ebenezer Woodworth and on down the line. I am new to the list and would appreciate any help anyone could give on whether the Woodworths of America, descendants of Walter Woodworth of Scituate book by Jeanette Behan has been accepted by the Mayflower Society. If so, it would greatly reduce the amount of proof I would need to acquire. > > Thank you! Kathy Evanson > On 8 May 2002, Meagan Swartly added the following: > Hiya Kathleen, > I wanted to see how we were related so i adde the info you posted in your last message to my family > tree maker. So you are my half 11th cousin. I am descended from Stephen through his second wife > Elizabeth Fisher, and there daughter Damaris(2) who married Jacob Cooke (son of Francis Cooke of > Mayflower). Contact me at megs_222000@yahoo.com . > Thanks, > Meagan On 15 Aug 2002, Leslie posted the following: > Hi i am also so related to Stephen Hopkins, Through the Snow's. Constance Hopkins and Nicholas Snow's son Jabez Snow. I have a little in on the Snow family if you need anything please let me know.pretty well all the Snows from this line (Jabez) are from N.S. > > Leslie > And, on 16 Aug 2002, Charlie Bearse added: > Hi Leslie, > I believe I also have a similar line to Stephen Hopkins through your > Jabez Snow, who married Elizabeth Smith. I believe their daughter, Sarah Snow > married Henry Young, and THEIR daughter Elizabeth Young married Zephon Ames, > my gggggg grandfather. Do you , by any chance, have them in your database?? > > Charlie B > > Charlie Bearse 1. Let me point out that no one (with one possible exception) has cited any source(s) for the above information :-). 2. Even though all of the above concern Mayflower Passenger Stephen Hopkins, no one has bothered to change the subject line in order to reflect their specific ancestral concerns/questions (?). 3. The standard reference for Stephen Hopkins is the "silver book" published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants: "Mayflower Families Through Five Generations: Family of Stephen Hopkins" by John D. Austin, F.A.S.G. Vol. 6. [My copy is the 2nd edition, 1995]. 4. Kathy: John D. Austin cites the following source regarding the Woodworth family: "Woodworth family of America" by James R. Pierce, et ano. (1975). I don't know how this differs from the one you asked about that was authored by Jeanette Behan. However, you will find a discussion of Ebenezer Woodworth and his marriage to Rebecca Small on pp 295-296 in the "Hopkins silver book" (Generation 5). At this time, the family was of Lebanon, New London, CT, although some did remove to Nova Scotia. 5. Meagan: I'm not sure if there was a question in your post, so I cannot add anything for you specifically. But, yes, Damaris Hopkins and her marriage to Jacob Cooke is discussed on pp 13 & 14 in the "Hopkins Silver book" (Generation 2). 6. Leslie: According to the Hopkins 'silver book,' most of the descendants of Jabez Snow (5th generation) were still living in Eastham or Harwich (see pp 325-341), although the family of Solomon Kenwrick did remove to Barrington, NS. I'm sure we'd all be interested in learning about your Snows who were "all of NS." 7. Charlie: Sadly, the Hopkins "silver book" does not positively identify the surname of the wife of Jabez Snow, but merely says: "It has been suggested that Elizabeth (his wife) was the dau. of that name b. at Hingham in September of 1648 to Ralph Smith." Further research would be required in order to prove this theory. And, it has not been satisfactorily proven that Sarah (b. 16 or 26 Feb. 1673 and recorded at Eastham) [MD 5:22] Snow is the girl who married (1st) Henry Young and (2nd) Jonathan Sparrow. According to Bowman, it was "very likely" [Hopkins p 23], and Austin continues thus: "If so, this Sarah d. 28 Nov 1746, ae. 73, bur. Orleans, and is the mother of five Young and two Sparrow children." Again, further research would be necessary in order to prove this relationship. Hoping to have been of some assistance, Pam Sears GASP

Dear Pamela: Thanks for your so very prompt reply ! Thanks also for the referral to the various URL's. I had previously been to those sites and that was what created the basic question to start with :-). If you take the case of a John Doe that is a descendant of John Alden. But there has been no Mayflower application from anyone in his/her particular line before. So there is no previous applications from someone in the 5th generation below John Alden that pertains to the line of John Doe. Not every descendant of John Alden in the Silver books has been used as a gateway ancestor. So my question remains: When a person submits the application to the Historian , will the Silver Books alone be sufficient proof that this line of ancestors is properly documented? The way I read your answer and the FAQ infers, the answer to my question is still NO. Thanks again for your reply. Best Regards John A Hansen > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela J. Sears [mailto:pjsears@stratos.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:55 AM > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Hopkins>Snow>Small>Woodworth relatives > > > Dear John, > > Your basic concern/question is frequently asked, and I shall refer you > to several URLs which you will find extremely helpful. <snip> > "A synopsis form can be printed from the General Society’s site (where > you will also find their address) and should be filled out (Mayflower > passenger #1) and sent along with $5 (U.S.). If a previously approved, > well documented paper is found, you will be sent a copy, and will be > able to use the data & sources from that paper, up to the point where > your lines branch off, which means your documentation efforts will begin > at this point. If the search proves successful, this could be extremely > beneficial and cut down on the number of generations you will have to > document." > > Best regards, > Pam Sears >

Dear Pamela: <snip> The question of documentation and references is crucial especially for any Society such as the Mayflower. However, sometimes there is a point to be made that one needs some direction and hints ( hypothesis) in order to go in some direction for their research. I took the original questions as being in that light. I would agree totally that the Silver books should be the first stop. The few dollars of cost as compared to the thousands and thousands of hours of research that went into these is the bargain of the century!!!. Do you happen to know if there has been a change in policy regarding the accepting of the documentation in the Silver books as proof. In other words can the Silver books be quoted as the documentation on a certain line? At one time that was not the case and independant certified copies had to be supplied with the application. Thanks for your time. Best Regards John A Hansen > > > 1. Let me point out that no one (with one possible exception) has cited > any source(s) for the above information :-). <snip> > 3. The standard reference for Stephen Hopkins is the "silver book" > published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants: "Mayflower > Families Through Five Generations: Family of Stephen Hopkins" by John D. > Austin, F.A.S.G. Vol. 6. [My copy is the 2nd edition, 1995].

In a message dated 8/15/2002 10:30:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, leslie66@hotmail.com writes: > Hi i am also so related to Stephen Hopkins, Through the Snow's. Constance > Hopkins and Nicholas Snow's son Jabez Snow. I have a little in on the Snow > family if you need anything please let me know.pretty well all the Snows > from this line (Jabez) are from N.S. > > Leslie > Hi Leslie, I believe I also have a similar line to Stephen Hopkins through your Jabez Snow, who married Elizabeth Smith. I believe their daughter, Sarah Snow married Henry Young, and THEIR daughter Elizabeth Young married Zephon Ames, my gggggg grandfather. Do you , by any chance, have them in your database?? Charlie B Charlie Bearse Morrisville, PA To Be Remembered May be The Secret To Immortality

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hopkins and Snow Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/133.2 Message Board Post: Hi i am also so related to Stephen Hopkins, Through the Snow's. Constance Hopkins and Nicholas Snow's son Jabez Snow. I have a little in on the Snow family if you need anything please let me know.pretty well all the Snows from this line (Jabez) are from N.S. Leslie

Yes, I use this resource regularly. Unfortunately, he is only up to the letter "H." :-( He has a web site located at www.beekmansettlers.com Thanks for the sugestion! D. --- Hal Bradley <hw.bradley@verizon.net> wrote: > If they moved to Dutchess Co., NY you may want to take a look at > Frank > Doherty's "Settlers of the Beekman Patent, Dutchess County, New York" > (Pleasant Valley, N.Y.: F.J. Doherty, 1990-). The series is not > complete > yet, but if you find Abner and Hannah, sources will be cited that > will > probably save you a lot of time in research. Hope it helps. > > Hal Bradley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise [mailto:hence@rocketmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:46 PM > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Abner Sampson and Hannah Drew > > Thanks very much for all of your effort! > > It is of no surprise that they are missing from the Plymouth Vital > records as I believe that Abner and Hannah relocated to Dutchess > County, NY and then Onondaga County, NY. The records are a bit sparse > and some of the blanks are very frustrating! > > I was hoping, since the Aldren Kindred have some of the children that > they'd have more infomatio than the books in circulation. > > I have seen the third child listed as "Ruth" who married John > Benjamin > Wheeler August 1784 in Dover, NY. > > Both Abner and George (Abner's son) are listed on the 1790 census in > Dutchess County. > > Thanks again for your effort! > > > --- Father John Haldane <father_john@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On page 276 of the Genealogy History and Alliances of the American > > House of > > Delano 1621 to 1899, it notes "Sarah Delano, d Middleboro ? (Davis) > m > > > > Duxbury John Drew son of 1st John and Hannah (Churchill) Drew, b > > Plymouth ? > > 1676" > > > > Sadly, there are no children listed in this book. > > > > In my copy of the Plymouth County VRs, I have this data: > > decembr dd 1758 an intention of marriage between mr Abner Sampson > of > > midleborough and ms hannah drew of Hallifax has been Lawfully > > published > > (Hallifax VRs) > > > > Feby 15 : 1759 abner Samson of middlebo & Hannah Drew of Hallifax > > were > > married by S: Conant > > Susanna Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born > > September 26 1759 1759 > > George Samson Son of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born Feby > > 6th 1761 > > 1761 > > [*]Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his Wife Was born may > > 6th 1764 > > (* The baptismal name was not entered.) > > > > Those are all the records for Plymouth County that I find. > > > > If there were more children, they were either not recorded or were > > not in > > Plymouth county (or the records were lost). > > > > I looked under vaious spellings of Samson, too. > > > > No further clues in my records. :( > > > > Father John > > >From: Denise <hence@rocketmail.com> > > >Reply-To: hence@rocketmail.com > > >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [MFLR] Abner Sampson and Hannah Drew > > >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >In the Silver book on John Alden it lists the following line: > > > > > >John Alden and Priscilla Mullins > > >Rebecca Alden and Thomas Delano > > >Sarah Delano and John Drew > > >Hannah Drew and Abner Sampson > > > > > >In the Middleboro (Middleborough) Vital Records, Abner Sampson and > > his > > >wife Hannah Drew had a girl (who was not named yet) on 6 May 1764. > > > > > >In addition, I believe they had George and Susanna. > > > > > >On the Alden Kindred of America site they leave the unnamed > daughter > > >unnamed. Does anyone know the name of this daughter of Abner and > > >Hannah? I've searched all of the on-line databases (which access a > > >number of books and journals including Mayflower Descendant, > etc.), > > >Mayflower books and index, etc. > > > > > >Are these three the only children of Abner and Hannah? I also > could > > not > > >locate death information and, because of that, no probate > > information. > > >Any idea where I might look to find additional information? > > > > > >Thank you for your assistance. > > > > > >Denise > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > >Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > > >http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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If they moved to Dutchess Co., NY you may want to take a look at Frank Doherty's "Settlers of the Beekman Patent, Dutchess County, New York" (Pleasant Valley, N.Y.: F.J. Doherty, 1990-). The series is not complete yet, but if you find Abner and Hannah, sources will be cited that will probably save you a lot of time in research. Hope it helps. Hal Bradley -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:hence@rocketmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:46 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Abner Sampson and Hannah Drew Thanks very much for all of your effort! It is of no surprise that they are missing from the Plymouth Vital records as I believe that Abner and Hannah relocated to Dutchess County, NY and then Onondaga County, NY. The records are a bit sparse and some of the blanks are very frustrating! I was hoping, since the Aldren Kindred have some of the children that they'd have more infomatio than the books in circulation. I have seen the third child listed as "Ruth" who married John Benjamin Wheeler August 1784 in Dover, NY. Both Abner and George (Abner's son) are listed on the 1790 census in Dutchess County. Thanks again for your effort! --- Father John Haldane <father_john@hotmail.com> wrote: > On page 276 of the Genealogy History and Alliances of the American > House of > Delano 1621 to 1899, it notes "Sarah Delano, d Middleboro ? (Davis) m > > Duxbury John Drew son of 1st John and Hannah (Churchill) Drew, b > Plymouth ? > 1676" > > Sadly, there are no children listed in this book. > > In my copy of the Plymouth County VRs, I have this data: > decembr dd 1758 an intention of marriage between mr Abner Sampson of > midleborough and ms hannah drew of Hallifax has been Lawfully > published > (Hallifax VRs) > > Feby 15 : 1759 abner Samson of middlebo & Hannah Drew of Hallifax > were > married by S: Conant > Susanna Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born > September 26 1759 1759 > George Samson Son of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born Feby > 6th 1761 > 1761 > [*]Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his Wife Was born may > 6th 1764 > (* The baptismal name was not entered.) > > Those are all the records for Plymouth County that I find. > > If there were more children, they were either not recorded or were > not in > Plymouth county (or the records were lost). > > I looked under vaious spellings of Samson, too. > > No further clues in my records. :( > > Father John > >From: Denise <hence@rocketmail.com> > >Reply-To: hence@rocketmail.com > >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MFLR] Abner Sampson and Hannah Drew > >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) > > > >In the Silver book on John Alden it lists the following line: > > > >John Alden and Priscilla Mullins > >Rebecca Alden and Thomas Delano > >Sarah Delano and John Drew > >Hannah Drew and Abner Sampson > > > >In the Middleboro (Middleborough) Vital Records, Abner Sampson and > his > >wife Hannah Drew had a girl (who was not named yet) on 6 May 1764. > > > >In addition, I believe they had George and Susanna. > > > >On the Alden Kindred of America site they leave the unnamed daughter > >unnamed. Does anyone know the name of this daughter of Abner and > >Hannah? I've searched all of the on-line databases (which access a > >number of books and journals including Mayflower Descendant, etc.), > >Mayflower books and index, etc. > > > >Are these three the only children of Abner and Hannah? I also could > not > >locate death information and, because of that, no probate > information. > >Any idea where I might look to find additional information? > > > >Thank you for your assistance. > > > >Denise > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > >Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > >http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .

Thanks very much for all of your effort! It is of no surprise that they are missing from the Plymouth Vital records as I believe that Abner and Hannah relocated to Dutchess County, NY and then Onondaga County, NY. The records are a bit sparse and some of the blanks are very frustrating! I was hoping, since the Aldren Kindred have some of the children that they'd have more infomatio than the books in circulation. I have seen the third child listed as "Ruth" who married John Benjamin Wheeler August 1784 in Dover, NY. Both Abner and George (Abner's son) are listed on the 1790 census in Dutchess County. Thanks again for your effort! --- Father John Haldane <father_john@hotmail.com> wrote: > On page 276 of the Genealogy History and Alliances of the American > House of > Delano 1621 to 1899, it notes "Sarah Delano, d Middleboro ? (Davis) m > > Duxbury John Drew son of 1st John and Hannah (Churchill) Drew, b > Plymouth ? > 1676" > > Sadly, there are no children listed in this book. > > In my copy of the Plymouth County VRs, I have this data: > decembr dd 1758 an intention of marriage between mr Abner Sampson of > midleborough and ms hannah drew of Hallifax has been Lawfully > published > (Hallifax VRs) > > Feby 15 : 1759 abner Samson of middlebo & Hannah Drew of Hallifax > were > married by S: Conant > Susanna Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born > September 26 1759 1759 > George Samson Son of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born Feby > 6th 1761 > 1761 > [*]Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his Wife Was born may > 6th 1764 > (* The baptismal name was not entered.) > > Those are all the records for Plymouth County that I find. > > If there were more children, they were either not recorded or were > not in > Plymouth county (or the records were lost). > > I looked under vaious spellings of Samson, too. > > No further clues in my records. :( > > Father John > >From: Denise <hence@rocketmail.com> > >Reply-To: hence@rocketmail.com > >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MFLR] Abner Sampson and Hannah Drew > >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) > > > >In the Silver book on John Alden it lists the following line: > > > >John Alden and Priscilla Mullins > >Rebecca Alden and Thomas Delano > >Sarah Delano and John Drew > >Hannah Drew and Abner Sampson > > > >In the Middleboro (Middleborough) Vital Records, Abner Sampson and > his > >wife Hannah Drew had a girl (who was not named yet) on 6 May 1764. > > > >In addition, I believe they had George and Susanna. > > > >On the Alden Kindred of America site they leave the unnamed daughter > >unnamed. Does anyone know the name of this daughter of Abner and > >Hannah? I�ve searched all of the on-line databases (which access a > >number of books and journals including Mayflower Descendant, etc.), > >Mayflower books and index, etc. > > > >Are these three the only children of Abner and Hannah? I also could > not > >locate death information and, because of that, no probate > information. > >Any idea where I might look to find additional information? > > > >Thank you for your assistance. > > > >Denise > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > >http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > >Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > >http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com

On page 276 of the Genealogy History and Alliances of the American House of Delano 1621 to 1899, it notes "Sarah Delano, d Middleboro ? (Davis) m Duxbury John Drew son of 1st John and Hannah (Churchill) Drew, b Plymouth ? 1676" Sadly, there are no children listed in this book. In my copy of the Plymouth County VRs, I have this data: decembr dd 1758 an intention of marriage between mr Abner Sampson of midleborough and ms hannah drew of Hallifax has been Lawfully published (Hallifax VRs) Feby 15 : 1759 abner Samson of middlebo & Hannah Drew of Hallifax were married by S: Conant Susanna Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born September 26 1759 1759 George Samson Son of Abner Samson by Hannah his wife was born Feby 6th 1761 1761 [*]Samson Daughter of Abner Samson by Hannah his Wife Was born may 6th 1764 (* The baptismal name was not entered.) Those are all the records for Plymouth County that I find. If there were more children, they were either not recorded or were not in Plymouth county (or the records were lost). I looked under vaious spellings of Samson, too. No further clues in my records. :( Father John >From: Denise <hence@rocketmail.com> >Reply-To: hence@rocketmail.com >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MFLR] Abner Sampson and Hannah Drew >Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) > >In the Silver book on John Alden it lists the following line: > >John Alden and Priscilla Mullins >Rebecca Alden and Thomas Delano >Sarah Delano and John Drew >Hannah Drew and Abner Sampson > >In the Middleboro (Middleborough) Vital Records, Abner Sampson and his >wife Hannah Drew had a girl (who was not named yet) on 6 May 1764. > >In addition, I believe they had George and Susanna. > >On the Alden Kindred of America site they leave the unnamed daughter >unnamed. Does anyone know the name of this daughter of Abner and >Hannah? I’ve searched all of the on-line databases (which access a >number of books and journals including Mayflower Descendant, etc.), >Mayflower books and index, etc. > >Are these three the only children of Abner and Hannah? I also could not >locate death information and, because of that, no probate information. >Any idea where I might look to find additional information? > >Thank you for your assistance. > >Denise > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at >http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

In the Silver book on John Alden it lists the following line: John Alden and Priscilla Mullins Rebecca Alden and Thomas Delano Sarah Delano and John Drew Hannah Drew and Abner Sampson In the Middleboro (Middleborough) Vital Records, Abner Sampson and his wife Hannah Drew had a girl (who was not named yet) on 6 May 1764. In addition, I believe they had George and Susanna. On the Alden Kindred of America site they leave the unnamed daughter unnamed. Does anyone know the name of this daughter of Abner and Hannah? I�ve searched all of the on-line databases (which access a number of books and journals including Mayflower Descendant, etc.), Mayflower books and index, etc. Are these three the only children of Abner and Hannah? I also could not locate death information and, because of that, no probate information. Any idea where I might look to find additional information? Thank you for your assistance. Denise __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/144.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Fees for joining the General Society of Mayflower Descendants varies by state as each state sets their own fees for application as well as yearly dues. Go the contact site on the Mayflower site, and check with the state in which you wish to join.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Alden, Wheeler, Rudd, Curtis, Packer, Watson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/144.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Just curious, Is there a fee for joining the Mayflower society? I've been all over the site looking for info, and can't find anything, including the afore mentioned 5$ for submitting the "Proposed Application Review Form". Steve

Hi, There are many places in Plymouth to visit. The Pilgrim Museum The Mayflower Society The replica of the Mayflower Plimouth Plantation Leyden St with its old houses also the old homes along Town Brook The statue of the Pilgrim Maiden The Forefather's Monument Actually, there are so many places to go and see, you should get a brochure . You should visit Duxbury, which is just north of Plymouth (with Kingston inbetween). There you will find: The home of John Alden, the cemetery where he and other early settlers are buried The Myles Standish Monument which you will be able to see as you look across Duxbury Bay from Plymouth The site of Myles Standish's home, which is also on Standish Shore where Captain's Hill with the monument is. By the way - you will be able to say you saw (or climbed) to the top of the tallest monument in the world - Myles above the sea!:} There is also the site of Ford's store which was the first department store The site of the first school to have student government. The home of Ezra Weston (King Caesar - the ship builder) and across from the house, the site of the "rope walk". The Duxbury Rural and Historical Society which you would pass going to the Weston house which also belongs to them. You might wish to go to Marchfield, the town just north of Duxbury where you would find the Daniel Webster house. In Kingston, there is the Bradford House. You will also be a short distance from Cape Cod which has its share of historical and other points of interest. Provincetown is at the tip with the Pilgrim Monument - the harbor was the first stop of the Mayflower. There are many points of interst and again, getting brochures would help a great deal as your particular interests are unknown. Have a wonderful trip!! Barbara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Standish, Alden, Eddy Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/176 Message Board Post: I will be traveling to Plymouth soon and I am a member of the Mayflower Society through Myles Standish. I was wondering if you could give me some ideas as to what to be sure and visit while I am there. Thanks