I found the following reference in "Early History of the Thorn Family" stating that Penelope Coles was the great granddaughter of John Howland of the Mayflower: Mayflower Index V 1-2 pp 236, 378, 404, 842, V 3 p 171. First question: What is the Mayflower Index? I do not think this is the "silver books" I see mentioned. Second question: Does anyone have information to continue the line after Penelope Coles: John Howland Elizabeth Howland married 2nd John Dickinson (some say Dickerson) Elizabeth Dikinson married Caleb Wright Elizabeth Wright married Joseph Coles Penelope Coles married Thomas Thorn Elizabeth Thorn married Zeno Carpenter Daniel Carpenter married Sarah Merritt Daniel Carpenter married Mary Phebe Carpenter married William Goodday Thanks for any advice! Marianne Gaertner

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Creelman30@aol.com [mailto:Creelman30@aol.com] ***Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:14 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] William Birch Reed *** *** ***He was born Snowhill, Worchester County, Mass. 23 Aug. 1767. He ***was killed ***at Orrington, Maine, by a cannonball fired from the English Sloop of war ***Sylph commanded by Corrodore Barry Sept. 3, 1814. ***This is from the records of the Riverside Cemetary where he and his wife ***Elizabeth are buried, in N. Bucksport, Maine. His son, Capt. ***Littleton Reed ***and wife Cynthia Lewis (Lewes) and their descendants are also ***buried there. ***I have seen the graves. ***I need to know his and her parents. (William's) The usual brick wall! ***Any help would be much appreciated. ***Jan If you haven't seen this webpage you might be interested--scroll down when you get there. http://www.angelfire.com/or/aleonc/out29.html

He was born Snowhill, Worchester County, Mass. 23 Aug. 1767. He was killed at Orrington, Maine, by a cannonball fired from the English Sloop of war Sylph commanded by Corrodore Barry Sept. 3, 1814. This is from the records of the Riverside Cemetary where he and his wife Elizabeth are buried, in N. Bucksport, Maine. His son, Capt. Littleton Reed and wife Cynthia Lewis (Lewes) and their descendants are also buried there. I have seen the graves. I need to know his and her parents. (William's) The usual brick wall! Any help would be much appreciated. Jan

Has anyone ever seen a likeness of George Soule, Mayflower Passenger? Dianna Saario Digging up Roots

Thanks for your reply Robert :-) Tina -----Original Message----- From: Robert L. Ward [mailto:rlward1@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:11 PM To: Tina Dunn; MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MFLR] Leonard/Dodge Tina and all, At 10:33 AM 8/21/02 -0400, Tina Dunn wrote: >As I am descended from both the Bridgewater and the Taunton Leonards via a >marriage of cousins, I would be interested in what you find about them >possibly being part of a Mayflower line. The Bridgewater LEONARD family is descended from James CHILTON of the "Mayflower". The immigrant, Solomon LEONARD, married Sarah CHANDLER, daughter of Roger and Isabella (CHILTON) CHANDLER, and granddaughter of James CHILTON. For details, see the Silver Book for Chilton. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Genealogical Research 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 http://www.rlward.com/ <info@rlward.com>

Tina and all, At 10:33 AM 8/21/02 -0400, Tina Dunn wrote: >As I am descended from both the Bridgewater and the Taunton Leonards via a >marriage of cousins, I would be interested in what you find about them >possibly being part of a Mayflower line. The Bridgewater LEONARD family is descended from James CHILTON of the "Mayflower". The immigrant, Solomon LEONARD, married Sarah CHANDLER, daughter of Roger and Isabella (CHILTON) CHANDLER, and granddaughter of James CHILTON. For details, see the Silver Book for Chilton. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Genealogical Research 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 http://www.rlward.com/ <info@rlward.com>

Hi, I am very interested in the Leonard/Dodge connection you mentioned. I have some info on "A" Johnathan Leonard and "A" Sarah Dodge (not as a couple). First; If it would help you to possibly rule a Johnathan out, I have the following info on a Johnathan Leonard descended from Solomon; Johnathan (Joseph3, Jacob2, Solomon1) b. July 29, 1734 in Bridgewater; d. 1804 m. 1758 to Martha Washburn, daughter of Benjamin Washburn and Martha Kingman. This Johnathan had a twin named David who spent some time in Nova Scotia in the 1750's and married Mary Hall from Taunton. I am descended from David. This info is from "Memorial of William Spooner, 1637 and of his Descendants to the Third Generation; of his Great Grandson, Elnathan Spooner and of his Descendants, to 1871." by Thomas Spooner - Appendix B "Leonard Family" Note: Mr. Spooner was married to 2 Leonard sisters(one after the first died)hence his interest in the line. The same info is contained in a handwritten copy of Leonard family bible entries from the family bible of Rev. Zenus Lockwood Leonard. Copy made by Rev. Francis Whitefield Emmons (married to Rev. Leonard's daughter)Feb. 20, 1865 for Mr. Spooner's use in his complied geneology. Second; In my Dunn line from Annapolis I have the following re; a Sarah Dodge descended from Richard More; Susanna Knowlton (Susanna Dutch3, Susanna More2,Richard More1)b. March 16, 1714 in Wenham MA; d. June__1788 in Granville,Annapolis, NS m. on March 30, 1739 to Capt, Josiah Dodge. Children: Josiah, SUSANNA, Rhoda, SARAH, Asahel, Benjamin, Phebe, Eunice, and Mary. I am descended from Susanna Dodge who married Isreal Fellows, their daughter Susanna married Edward Dunn. Is your Sarah Dodge the sister of my Susanna Dodge? Suggestion for you - the Dunns started out in Barnstable, MA along with the Chase, Kelley, and Baker families - ALL of whom ended up going to Annapolis,NS by about 1765 and living near each other mostly in and near Granville. You might want to take a look at the Barnstable area for evidence of your Leonards' earlier roots as a fair number of families that went to Granville,NS seem to have "landed" there first. As I am descended from both the Bridgewater and the Taunton Leonards via a marriage of cousins, I would be interested in what you find about them possibly being part of a Mayflower line. I hope some of this is useful to you. Tina Dunn -----Original Message----- From: Keith Lightizer [mailto:klightizer@speedline.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 10:08 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Leonard Dear Listmembers, I am looking for the parents of Jonathan Stewart Leonard, born in Lyme, Connecticutt in 1741. He married Sarah Dodge(b. 24 May 1749, Lunenberg, Worcester Co., Mass.) on 1 Nov 1764, in Granville, N.S. Sarah Dodge is the great great granddaughter of Richard More of the Mayflower. He would have immigrated to Nova Scotia with the New England Planters 1760-1764. The History of the county of Annapolis says about him;"He was at one time possessed of 1000 acres of the best land in the township of Granville, which he disposed of at the time of the arrival of the Loyalists and removed to the Paradise District, where he built one of the first sawmills in the township, and died in 1812(May 4). It is probable he served in the expedition against Louisburg in 1758." I have seen his parents listed as Joseph Lenord and Hannah Jennings in various family trees on the internet but none of them list any sources for their information. The History of the county of Annapolis also gives two possible ancestors for him. They were both from Wales, Solomon Leonard who was with the pilgrams in Leyden and Thomas Leonard an early immigrant from Pontypool who settled in Taunton, Mass. I would be grateful for any help you could give me....Keith Lightizer

thank you, Wilfred, good to have the information and nice to have it in the list archives also, for the next person who needs to sort out which Benjamin is which Candy ------------------ "ABIGAIL HOPKINS (Giles (2), Stephen (1)) b. Yarmouth in Oct. 1644; d. prob. Eastham." "She m. Eastham 23 May 1667 WILLIAM MERRICK, b. prob. Duxbury 15 Sept. 1643, as rec. by Plymouth Colony on Eastham register; d. Harwich 30 Oct. 1732 in 90th yr. Bur. Brewster Cem.; son of William and Rebecca (Tracy) Merrick; he m. (2) after 22 April 1691 Elizabeth (___) Snow, wid. of Jabez Snow." (page 23, see source below) "BENJAMIN MERRICK b. Eastham in 1674; d. prob. Harwich bet. 13 Aug. 1743 and 24 May 1749." "He m. (1) Rebecca Doane; dau. Of Daniel Doane of Eastham and his unidentified first wife." (etc.) (page 91) Source (Silver Book): John D. Austin, F.A.S.G. "Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Volume Six, Third Edition, Stephen Hopkins" (Plymouth, Mass.: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2001) Hope this helps, Wilfred ______________________________

Dear Listmembers, I am looking for the parents of Jonathan Stewart Leonard, born in Lyme, Connecticutt in 1741. He married Sarah Dodge(b. 24 May 1749, Lunenberg, Worcester Co., Mass.) on 1 Nov 1764, in Granville, N.S. Sarah Dodge is the great great granddaughter of Richard More of the Mayflower. He would have immigrated to Nova Scotia with the New England Planters 1760-1764. The History of the county of Annapolis says about him;"He was at one time possessed of 1000 acres of the best land in the township of Granville, which he disposed of at the time of the arrival of the Loyalists and removed to the Paradise District, where he built one of the first sawmills in the township, and died in 1812(May 4). It is probable he served in the expedition against Louisburg in 1758." I have seen his parents listed as Joseph Lenord and Hannah Jennings in various family trees on the internet but none of them list any sources for their information. The History of the county of Annapolis also gives two possible ancestors for him. They were both from Wales, Solomon Leonard who was with the pilgrams in Leyden and Thomas Leonard an early immigrant from Pontypool who settled in Taunton, Mass. I would be grateful for any help you could give me....Keith Lightizer

on 20/8/02 20:26, Patricia Kelley-Staab at pakelle@citlink.net wrote: >> now I'm confused -- who were the parents, and what >> are the dates, of the Benjamin Merrick/Myrick who >> married Rebecca Doane daughter of Daniel Doane >> and his unknown/unproven first wife ? > > Candy > > I have his mother as Abigail HOPKINS born 1644 in Yarmouth, married 23 May > 1667 in Eastham ,MA. I have his father as William MERRICK born 15 Sep 1643 > in Eastham, died 30 Oct 1732. I have Benjamin born 1674 in Eastham MA and > died 30 Oct 1732 in ?? BUT I forgot to add my source notes into my program > so I can't remember where I got this. Am hoping someone on the list might > confirm this with a source. > > Pat Kelley-Staab ________________ "ABIGAIL HOPKINS (Giles (2), Stephen (1)) b. Yarmouth in Oct. 1644; d. prob. Eastham." "She m. Eastham 23 May 1667 WILLIAM MERRICK, b. prob. Duxbury 15 Sept. 1643, as rec. by Plymouth Colony on Eastham register; d. Harwich 30 Oct. 1732 in 90th yr. Bur. Brewster Cem.; son of William and Rebecca (Tracy) Merrick; he m. (2) after 22 April 1691 Elizabeth (___) Snow, wid. of Jabez Snow." (page 23, see source below) "BENJAMIN MERRICK b. Eastham in 1674; d. prob. Harwich bet. 13 Aug. 1743 and 24 May 1749." "He m. (1) Rebecca Doane; dau. Of Daniel Doane of Eastham and his unidentified first wife." (etc.) (page 91) Source (Silver Book): John D. Austin, F.A.S.G. "Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Volume Six, Third Edition, Stephen Hopkins" (Plymouth, Mass.: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2001) Hope this helps, Wilfred

> now I'm confused -- who were the parents, and what > are the dates, of the Benjamin Merrick/Myrick who > married Rebecca Doane daughter of Daniel Doane > and his unknown/unproven first wife ? Candy I have his mother as Abigail HOPKINS born 1644 in Yarmouth, married 23 May 1667 in Eastham ,MA. I have his father as William MERRICK born 15 Sep 1643 in Eastham, died 30 Oct 1732. I have Benjamin born 1674 in Eastham MA and died 30 Oct 1732 in ?? BUT I forgot to add my source notes into my program so I can't remember where I got this. Am hoping someone on the list might confirm this with a source. Pat Kelley-Staab

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/177.1 Message Board Post: Dear All: There are some corrections and clarifications that are necessary to my earlier message regarding the documentation for the Mayflower line. I have included selected parts of an email from Mrs Bette Bradway that contains those corrections and my comments and clarifications on them. The posting is done with gracious permission of Mrs Bette Bradway. Best Regards John A Hansen > -----Original Message----- > From: Bette Bradway [mailto:bibcg@nycap.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:30 AM > To: jahansen@qwest.net > Subject: Re: Mayflower Documentation > > > Dear Mr. Hansen, <snip> > However, I felt compelled to contact you because am concerned that you are > taking some of the things that Susan Roser and I have posted on > "MFLR" and,in the process of abstracting our postings for the "Mayflower > Descendants List" you have made what appears (at least to me, perhaps to > others as well) to be a misstatement. > > In the second paragraph of your 19 Aug posting you speak "using the > Mayflower Silver books as the documentation for those LAST" (caps mine) "5 > to 8 generations." It is the FIRST five generations that you can use the > Silver books for and they normally will NOT go any further than > the birth of the 6th generation. (Occasionally, a marriage of a 6th > generation person will be given.) This will probably take the > information up to about the middle 1700s, although some larger > families may have information beyond that point, as will the younger > children of younger children, etc.. (With lines where we are working > with the youngest children in each generation, those generations often > take a longer span in years to get to the 5th generation. > Sixth generation descendants of the Mayflower Passengers can be born in as > early as about the 1720s to as late as 1760s, possibly even sometimes the > 1770s with some very large individual families.) > > No-one has even suggested that the Silver books would take anyone > as far as the 8th generation! I think that you probably should consider > correcting that statement somehow or many people are going to be > totally confused by your posting. JAH I was looking at the 8 generation study as listed on the Alden Kindred home site. There is no assurances that this is accurate. However, it is a good guideline about the potential descendants. > > Perhaps to clarify - with Mayflower Society applications, all applications > begin with the Passenger as Number 1. I think what you are calling the > "last" 5-8 generations are the ones that are actually in the MIDDLE of the > lineage (and you're correct that they are often the harder generations to > document). The actual "last" generations on Mayflower > applications would be those people born or living from about the > late 1800's coming forward to the > applicant. Most current applicants to the Society are now in the 10th to > 14th, and sometimes even the 15th generation, of any Mayflower line. The > fact that we begin our lineage applications with the Mayflower > Passenger and come FORWARD in time may be confusing you, as most > other lineage societies begin their applications with the APPLICANT > and go backward to the eligible ancestor. > > As far as obtaining help from the Society is concerned by > requesting copies of previously filed lineage papers > (Susan's suggestion, but one I have previously made myself), > I hasten to mention that you should tell your list > readers that they must be VERY PATIENT waiting for responses. > The Society Office has a very small staff, almost all of whom work only > part-time and a few (very few!) volunteers. There are usually only one > or two people who can answer these requests and then it is when > they have the "time available" from other duties. We get MANY > requests for copies of lineage papers. They are filled in the order > they are received, State Historians who make similar > requests (in order to help actual applicants with lineage paper > completion) will take priority and all others will simply have to > wait their turns. This can sometimes take months to accomplish. JAH This priority handling by the local state historian would be another advantage of sending in the preliminary application to the local state chapter and starting the process. > > Right now, the Society and Staff are "gearing up" for the > Triennial General Congress which begins about the 6th of September > and continues into the 11th or 12th (depending on when people > arrive to attend additional functions and meetings that also are > scheduled during this time). Many of our members will > come early and/or stay late to do research in the Library in and > around the various meetings they will be attending. In short, the > Office and Library will be absolutely INUNDATED with people > in another couple of weeks and it is highly unlikely that ANY > requests for lineage paper copies will be completed during that time. > <snip> > > Bette Innes Bradway, > Assistant Historian General

now I'm confused -- who were the parents, and what are the dates, of the Benjamin Merrick/Myrick who married Rebecca Doane daughter of Daniel Doane and his unknown/unproven first wife ? (and any other information on the Doane or Merrick families you care to add) since I don't have access to the MFIP, could some kind soul look this up for me? I find that my information is only partly sourced, and poorly sourced at that I checked the archives and didn't find what I needed there either Candy (not my line, but trying to keep my database as accurate as I can)

In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:01:53 PM Central Daylight Time, MAYFLOWER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > From: "Joanne Hunt" <ajh2@adelphia.net> > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > > I am looking for a transcription of the will of Samuel Brewster, b. c. > 1697, son of William Brewster and Patience Read, of Lebanon, CT. I cannot help you with information about the will of Samuel Brewster, but wonder if you could give me more information about the parentage, etc. of Patience Read. Thanks so much, Carol Reed Kennedy

David, At 09:41 PM 8/19/02 -0400, DMMorehous@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have this book in their personal library? I was wondering if >there is a reference to a William Bartlett, born say late 1730s to mid 1740s, >who removed to Montgomery Co., NY in the 1760s? There are a couple of William BARTLETT individuals listed with birth in this time frame, but no mention of any removing to NY. 1. Vol. 18, Part 2, p. 44: William BARTLETT-6, b. 20 Oct 1746, Plymouth, son of Lemuel BARTLETT-5 and Mary DOTY (Robert-4, Joseph-3, Mary-2 WARREN, Richard-1). On 8 Apr 1785, Lemuel BARTLETT of Plymouth, yeoman, deeded to William Bartlett "the second" of Plymouth, trader, all his real estate in Plymouth and elsewhere provided he take care of him and his wife for the rest of their lives. On 5 Dec 1792, William BARTLETT Jr was appointed administrator on the estate of Lemuel BARTLETT of Plymouth, shoresman. 2. Vol. 18, Part 2, p. 47: William BARTLETT-6, b. 15 Feb 1741/2, Plymouth, son of Benjamin BARTLETT-5 and (2) Abigail (PRATT) MORTON (Joseph-4, Joseph-3, Mary-2 WARREN, Richard-1). Nothing further is stated about him. 3. Vol. 18, Part 2, p. 61: The "children of William Bartlett" are included on 1 Nov 1785 as heirs in the division of the estate of Nathaniel BARTLETT-5 (Benjamin-4, Joseph-3, Mary-2 WARREN, Richard-1). Probably this William BARTLETT was dead at that time. He is not listed as a son of Nathaniel, so probably he was a grandson, and son of Thomas BARTLETT-6 (b. 7 Dec 1725, Plymouth, son of first wife Abigail [CLARK] BARTLETT). Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Genealogical Research 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 http://www.rlward.com/ <info@rlward.com>

Does anyone have this book in their personal library? I was wondering if there is a reference to a William Bartlett, born say late 1730s to mid 1740s, who removed to Montgomery Co., NY in the 1760s? Thanks for any help. David Morehouse Hopkins, MN

Hi, If you are a member of the New England Historical Genealogical Society, they have an on-line section for towns of Massachusetts, and they keep adding new ones every week I think that this is the best on-line genealogical repository, they also have a circulating library. For about $60.00 a year. www.NewEnglandAncestors.org I am also a descendent of Richard Gurney, born in Weymouth, Massachusetts in 1630. Yours truly, Scott McKay From: "Ginny Core" <vcore@tctwest.net> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: [MFLR] Searching for a book > I am searching for Vital Records of the town of Freetown MA 1686-1890 > by Helen Gurney Thomas > > Does anyone have information of where I can purchase a copy? > > Thanks, > Ginny Core >

Hi Karla: Go to the General Society web site http://www.mayflower.org/ Click on "Books and More" Scroll down to "Soft Cover Publications" The book you want should be the fourth on the list. My experience with on-line ordering from the General Society has been superb. Great service, packaging and very speedy delivery. Good luck, Wilfred ___________________- on 19/8/02 15:29, Karla Collinsworth at karcoll@charter.net wrote: > I would like to purchase the third one listed, William Brewster Of The > Mayflower And The Fifth Generation Descendants Of > His Daughter Patience2, [2001]. > > Do they have a website where it can be purchased on line? Or if not on > line, what is the cost so I may order it thru the mail. > > Thanks for your help! I was not aware of this booklet. > > Karla

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Karla Collinsworth [mailto:karcoll@charter.net] ***Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:29 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: Re: [MFLR] Brewster MFIP clarification *** *** ***I would like to purchase the third one listed, William Brewster Of The ***Mayflower And The Fifth Generation Descendants Of ***His Daughter Patience2, [2001]. *** ***Do they have a website where it can be purchased on line? http://www.mayflower.org/book.htm

Thank you, Harlow, for your very prompt reply! I have it ordered! Karla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harlow Chandler" <chandler@firstva.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [MFLR] Brewster MFIP clarification > > > ***-----Original Message----- > ***From: Karla Collinsworth [mailto:karcoll@charter.net] > ***Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:29 PM > ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > ***Subject: Re: [MFLR] Brewster MFIP clarification > *** > *** > ***I would like to purchase the third one listed, William Brewster Of The > ***Mayflower And The Fifth Generation Descendants Of > ***His Daughter Patience2, [2001]. > *** > ***Do they have a website where it can be purchased on line? > > http://www.mayflower.org/book.htm