1. Anna Small m. Henry Dyer Libby, Charles T., "The Ossipee Townships - Deposition of Anna Dyer," NEHGR, 35:4 (Oct 1881) shows she was the daughter of Daniel Small and Abigail Snow. See also, Underhill, Lora Altine Woodbury, "Descendants of Edward Small of New England and the Allied Families," 1:156; Gray, Ruth & Joseph Crook Anderson (Editors), "Maine Families in 1790," 3:76. 2. Daniel Small Underhill, "Descendants of Edward Small," 1:154-156 and Austin, John D., "Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Family of Stephen Hopkins" (Volume Six), p. 21. 3. Abigail Snow Underhill, "Descendants of Edward Small," 1:154-156 and Austin, John D., "Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Family of Stephen Hopkins" (Volume Six), p. 21. Also, Smalley, Matthew Flemming, "John Smalley and His Descendants in America," p. 16. 6. John Snow 7. Mary Smalley 12. Nicholas Snow 13. Constance Hopkins 26. Stephen Hopkins 27. Mary The last three generations are documented in Austin, John D., "Mayflower Families through Five Generations: Family of Stephen Hopkins" (Volume Six); See also Johnson, Caleb, "The True Origin of Stephen Hopkins of the 'Mayflower'," The American Genealogist, 73:3 (Jul 1998); Smith, Leonard H., "Cape Cod Library of Local History and Genealogy," 1:524 in addition to the above cited books by Underhill and Smalley. Hal Bradley

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) SEESIDE@webtv.net (Robert Poules) writes: > I understand Anna Smalls ancestry goes back to Stephan Hopkins > Mayflower > passenger and that Elizabeth Simonton-'s ancestry goes back to John > Howland and his wife Elizabeth Tillery. Do you have any dates and places for either woman? A quick check of my Mayflower sources shows a few possibilities for the former and none for the latter. Also, what sources show Mayflower ancestry for them? If they are web sites please give the URLs. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

My father's paternal ancestry goes back to Dr. William Dyer of Tauro of whom I have found much information on the New England Dyer's pages. My line goes Henry Dyer md Ann Small >son Henry Dyer md. Sarah Ridley>son Henry md. Elizabeth Simonton>son Ruben md.Ann Witten>son George Washington Dyer md. Eleanor Ray etc. I understand Anna Smalls ancestry goes back to Stephan Hopkins Mayflower passenger and that Elizabeth Simonton-'s ancestry goes back to John Howland and his wife Elizabeth Tillery. My question is has anyone been accepted to the Mayflower Society throught these lines. Silvia (Dyer) Poules

Candy Hughes wrote: ***(still a mystery to me; I'd like to know the "solid reason" ***for the Hinckleys to pick that name. The only other ***Nymphas in my database was born in the same era, ***so it might have been derived from a book, newspaper, ***or unrelated person of the time; I know many children ***were named after a doctor or minister or neighbor, or ***the commanding officer of a military unit) *** ***Nymphas' mother was Lydia Phinney, Hi Candy, Ebenezer Goodspeed and Lydia Crowell had dau's Reliance Goodspeed, grandmother of Nymphas Hinckley, and Lydia Goodspeed, mother of Nymphas Marston. Anything there, or is that the one in your database? Nymphas is a biblical name, but you're right, it doesn't seem to have been too common. There was a sequence of Nymphas Marstons, I think. I don't know anything about these people, I was just interested in the name.

Mark writes: "I'm sure that each of them was picked for solid -- and, in many cases, deeply theological -- reasons." and he is eminently correct. It's not so much that I judge these names to be "weird", as celebrate that they are different from the "standard twelve authorized names" that I was facetiously complaining about on the list a couple of years ago. I rejoice when I come across unusual names, especially when they show up in a possible Mayflower line, for then I can be more certain that I have the correct person in the correct place; sorting through the multiplicity of, say, Hannah Snows, or Nathaniel Mayos, and trying to find out if Mercy Brown, Mary Brown, Molly Brown, and Polly Brown are all referring to the same person (or four, or six, or eight) can be fun ... only sometimes it seems more like work these unusual names also serve as a marker, for they may recur a generation or two later, and they may "cross" from one surname to another -- backtracing ancestors by analyzing the naming patterns of the children is an art rather than a science, but it has led some of our esteemed researchers to records that they might otherwise have missed -- when, for example, "Nymphas" as a given name suddenly shows up in a family, I scrounge around to find out where it came from and why there is suddenly a child with this name (still a mystery to me; I'd like to know the "solid reason" for the Hinckleys to pick that name. The only other Nymphas in my database was born in the same era, so it might have been derived from a book, newspaper, or unrelated person of the time; I know many children were named after a doctor or minister or neighbor, or the commanding officer of a military unit) Nymphas' mother was Lydia Phinney, and there's a possibility of a Warren line there; his father's family descends from the "wrong" Soule ... Candy (now ready to get back to more specifics on Mayflower lines)

***-----Original Message----- ***From: mdixon1918@aol.com [mailto:mdixon1918@aol.com] ***Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:26 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: Re: [MFLR] unusual names with links to Mayflower ***You think those names are weird? I'm sure that each of them was ***picked for solid -- and, in many cases, deeply theological -- reasons. *** ***I, on the other hand, have a cousin who named her daughter Raven ***because that was the name of her favorite soap opera star. *** ***Which do you think our descendants will consider the most strange? *** ***Mark But even that is not really new. In the middle of the eighteenth century Samuel Richardson's _Clarissa Harlowe_ was published in several volumes (I think it is the longest English novel). The title page tells us that the novel is a precautionary tale, teaching "the Distresses that may attend Misconduct both of Parents and Children in relation to Marriage," and then proceeds to tell the story of a young woman born into a wealthy family who runs off with Robert Lovelace, is wooed, imprisoned, drugged, raped, and dies of shame. Yet Clarissa Harlowe was a name given to young women in New England in the early nineteenth century, the most notable I suppose being Clarissa Harlowe Barton, born in North Oxford, MA, on Christmas Day 1821, who is known to us as Clara Barton, "angel of the battlefield" and founder of the American Red Cross. There's an essay by Daniel Hackett Fischer called "Forenames and the Family in New England: An Exercise in Historical Onomastics" which is found in the collection _Generations and Change: Genealogical Perspectives in Social History_(Macon, GA, Mercer University Press, 1986) edited by Taylor & Crandall which has many fascinating insights into the naming practices of the people of New England. Fischer also mentions that in the nineteenth century, "Americans in Europe were appalled to discover that the naming of children was elaborately regulated by the state. In France a revolutionary decree restricted choices to forenames in the Saint's Calendar, and those of ancient heroes. Until the mid-twentieth century, French bureaucrats solemnly compiled lists of authorized names...Similar state controls existed in Germany and other European nations. The unfettered freedom to name one's child in one's own way, which Americans take for granted, is not normal in the world." (pp 232-3)

In a message dated Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:04:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, av8ryx@yelmtel.com writes: "Shearjashub" Etc. You think those names are weird? I'm sure that each of them was picked for solid -- and, in many cases, deeply theological -- reasons. I, on the other hand, have a cousin who named her daughter Raven because that was the name of her favorite soap opera star. Which do you think our descendants will consider the most strange? Mark

LOL, Candy, those were good. Now, if I can just find that so-called Mayflower line for my Rhoda Manchester, then we can add her hubby Epaphroditus Lavare to that list. Karen Flanders Eddy

in working out my Mayflower lines, I have come across what seems like thousands of Elizabeths, Samuels, Williams, Sarahs, Abigails and especially Johns every so often, though, I find an oddity I have also done a lot of online looking, using various "search" functions, and am delighted when the result is less than a thousand returns, more than two so I wonder if anyone else would like to post some of these unusual names, or combination of names, that belong to someone in a Mayflower line, whether known to be proven or only probable that way, they'll be in the archives, for someone looking for information on that line (and to protect privacy, nobody born more recently than 1900?) my candidates: Zelotas Arey b. 31 May 1724 (Brewster) Perez Bangs b. 20 Feb 1735/6 (Howland, Warren) Baraciah Bassett b. 2 Mar 1703/4 (Howland) Zenas Cook b. 1769 (Hopkins) Consider Cooke (Cooke, Hopkins) Barzilla Delano (Alden, Doty, Standish) Etherlinda Dix b. 1867 (Hopkins) Sejanus Mayo b. 19 Jul 1813 (Hopkins) Zaresh Rudd b. 21 May 1746 (Brewster) Celanah Wadsworth (Bradford, Brewster) I wish I could use Shearjashub Bourne or Luxena Friend or Garvenus Grindle or Stattirah Hearl or Zerubbable Hunniwell or Picterine Augusta Marcyes or Penial Scribner or Orange Seelye or Abovehope Willard -- but I can't find a Mayflower line for any of them nor for my favorite couple Darling Huntress and Love Hearl Candy

I just wanted to post a joint thank you to everybody on this list for their quick response to my query regarding the family number assigned to Joseph Taber in the Cooke MFIP 5th edition. I received several replies within a couple of hours. It was really helpful to me. One post also asked for the reason for the MFIP "Pink Book" after the Mayflower Families "Silver Book" was published. I'm not an expert in this, and I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that The GSMD felt that the Mayflower Families Book on Francis Cooke had some information that did not meet their current standard of proof and/or new materials were found to update the book. Specifically to the family of Joseph Taber, while it was known his will was dated at Dartmouth, it is not certain that he actually died there. In addition, Joseph's first wife is now proven to be Elizabeth Spooner. The Mayflower Families "Silver Book" stated she was PROBABLY Elizabeth Spooner. In short, the GSMD felt that the Francis Cooke line (who had a large posterity) needed a new "Silver Book." Ray P.S. As someone who is doing a five generation project on a Great Migration emigrant [Deborah (BACHILER) Wing, widow of Rev. John Wing] I can personally attest to the years of research and the thousands of hours (and $$) needed to trace one line through five generations. It stands to reason that the GSMD would not release a "free" version of this work on-line.

on 26/8/02 7:40, Raymond Wing at raymond.wing@snet.net wrote: > I would appreciate it if anyone having the Mayflower Families in Progress, > Francis Cooke, 5th ed. (2000) could tell me the family number for Joseph Taber > found on page 103. > > I am assuming that this is still the most recent version of the Cooke MFIP. > > Ray ___________ Hello Ray: I'm not sure whether the Mayflower Families in Progress (2000) is the "most recent version" to be cited or the 1999 Silver Book is the gospel. Here's some stuff from each of them: 1) MFIP: pp 102-103 Joseph Taber appears as Family #128. 2) Mayflower Families vol 12 ("Silver Book"1999 edition) Joseph is on pp 211-213 as Family #180 (in the 1996 edition he's #178). There are differences in the text between the two accounts. For example 2) gives Dartmouth as place of death for Joseph while 1) does not give a place; 1) says Joseph married Elizabeth Spooner while 2) says Joseph married "Elizabeth [possibly Spooner]," Both accounts list the same 13 children with the same birth dates. There is no explanation in the MFIP why a Families in Progress was necessary in 2000 when a new edition of the Silver Book was printed just a year before. Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to why the MFIP 2000 edition was necessary. Cheers, Wilfred

I’m looking for the parents of Mercy WADSWORTH, whose intentions to marry Jesse MAXHAM (Maxim, Muxom, and every imaginable variant) were published Jan. 13, 1797 (MD 30:118) Mercy was “of Plymouth” and Jesse from Wareham. Somewhere I acquired a list of the children of this couple. (My notes say it was in John A. Leppman’s article in TAG vol’s 57-8 on the Maxim family, but I do not find them there now. If anyone can tell me where to find a list of the children I’d be grateful. They might be in Leonard Smith’s _Records of the First Church of Wareham, Mass. 1739-1891.) The list I have includes children Prince Wadsworth Maxim and Zilpha Maxim. A Prince WADSWORTH married a Zilpha ELLIS (descendant of Richard Warren, which is my excuse for asking here), intentions published May 3, 1766 (MD 26:86), and it seems likely to me that my Mercy is a child of this marriage. A Brownson and McLean article, “Lt. John & Elizabeth (Freeman) Ellis” in the NEHG Register 120:274 speaks of Prince Wadsworth and Zilpha Ellis, notes son Christopher and that “there may have been other children.” So it may not be easy to find any other children, but the census of 1790 shows some young people in the household of Prince Wadsworth in Plymouth twp. According to my list of unknown origin of the children of Mercy Wadsworth and Jesse Maxham there was also a child Pelham. Zilpha Ellis Wadsworth, who I believe may be the mother of my Mercy, had a brother Pelham, which is a name I have not seen often. The census of 1830 shows in Wareham a Pelham Maxham (who, if he is the right Pelham, married Huldah HATHAWAY) living next to a Jesse Maxham. The ages of the members of the households seem to fit what I believe I know about the families I’m interested in. Jesse can be tracked through the census—he seems to have ended up in the household of his daughter Eliza and her husband Robert Cole in 1850, and is I believe buried next to them in the East Rochester Congregational Church cemetery. I don’t know if Brownson and McLean couldn’t find other children of Prince and Zilpha Ellis Wadsworth, or just weren’t looking. The only Plymouth twp. VR I have is what was published in MD (and that is also true of the Wareham VR.) If someone happens to have the Plymouth VR and/or WCR and has nothing better to do than check these names I’d be grateful to know if there’s anything there.

At the bottom of Rich Craig's message (and EVERY message that appears on this list - many thanks Craig, for doing that!) is the web page address for the General Society of Mayflower Descendants. Go there and check "Books and More." The full and current list of "Silver Books" (correctly titled "Mayflower Families") and the "MFIPs" ("Mayflower Families in Progress," the 4+ generation pamphlets) can be found there, with the prices and ordering information. "MF 2" (Silver book #2), as well as "MF 1" are both completely obsolete, the families having now been expanded and republished with new volume numbers. The current "MF3" (Soule) will also be obsolete as soon as the new research is completed on that family and it is published in hard-cover. In the meantime, there are the Soule "MFIPs" which contain up-dated information on the family. I might also mention, for those of you who are not members of the "Mayflower Society," that subscriptions to "The Mayflower Quarterly" (free to members) are also available to NON-members at the miniscule price of $10.00 a year for US mailing. This publication contains (in addition to reports, a sales page and other Society business) many articles on Pilgrim History and genealogical articles, many of which pick up specific family lines of descent at Generation 5/6 and carry that SPECIFIC family line for a number of generations further. These articles can be especially helpful when the descendants have moved away from the Plymouth area into other areas, where records may not be easily available. (I'm thinking particularly of NY State, but there are other areas that can be equally difficult!) If you are interested in subscribing, make your check to "GSMD" and send it, with your request for a subscription to the Quarterly, to General Society of Mayflower Descendants, PO Box 3297 Plymouth MA 02361-3297. (ALL mail to GSMD, for any purpose, goes to that PO Box; it is sorted in the office.) Bette Bradway (again)

On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:07:51 -0400 "Rick Stetson" <stetsonr@triad.rr.com> writes: > I've followed your posts in the MAYFLOWER List at Rootsweb for some > time > now. The one below caused me to wonder if there might be a listing > on the > web somewhere of all of the "Silver Books" and their contents by > volume. Rick - You can find information on the available silver books at the GSMD website: http://www.mayflower.org/ > Also, have any/all of the "Silver Books" been made available > anywhere in electronic form? Not that I know of, nor are they likely to be. They all under copyright, so only the GSMD could post them online. Sale of the silver and pink books is a revenue source for the Society and I can't forsee them eliminating part of their potential revenue by posting online versions. I don't begrudge at all what I've paid for my copies <grin>. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

Rick (and Listers) The General Society of Mayflower Descendants has spent a vast number of years and an enourmous amount of money to make these "Silver Books," etc., available to people who are doing research on the Mayflower Families and applying for membership. It is very unlikely that you will ever find them in anything other than book form, until the copyright runs out (and cannot be renewed) and/or the Society has recouped its monetary expenditure. (Mrs.) Bette Innes Bradway, Assistant Historian General

There is a brief, and probably not exactly up-to-date list on this list's FAQ. See it at: http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm Craig Rich Listowner, Mayflower-L Quoting Rick Stetson <stetsonr@triad.rr.com>: > Dale, > > I've followed your posts in the MAYFLOWER List at Rootsweb for some time > now. The one below caused me to wonder if there might be a listing on the > web somewhere of all of the "Silver Books" and their contents by volume. > > Also, have any/all of the "Silver Books" been made available anywhere in > electronic form? Adobe Acrobat format would really be ideal. > > I appreciate your response in advance. > > THANKS!! > > Rick > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through MacNet: http://www.macatawa.org/

Hi all, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harlow Chandler" <chandler@firstva.com> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:44 PM > ***-----Original Message----- > ***From: LeeTodo@aol.com [mailto:LeeTodo@aol.com] > ***Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 6:25 PM > ***if someone sees a problem with this line that I missed. > *** > ***Richard Warren > ***Mary Warren - Robert Bartlett > ***Mary Bartlett Foster - Jonathan Morey > ***Jonathan Morey - Hannah Bourne > ***Thankful Morey - Thomas Swift > ***Thankful Swift - Nathanael Wing Jr. > ***Olive Wing - Enoch Swift Jr. > *** > ***Thanks, > ***Lee > > I replied a little while ago citing the Bartlett MFIP. To expand a bit, > _Mayflower Descendant_13:33-4, "Plymouth , Mass, Vital Records" has the > family of Thomas Swift and wife Thankful, and the list concludes with "The > above named Thankful Swift ye Daughter deceasd abot May 26, 1754." > > This is the record cited by Robert S. Wakefield in the Bartlett MFIP. > > However, there is an article in the NEHG Register by Lydia Brownson and > Maclean McLean (125:248) which in a footnote speaks of Thankful Swift and > Nathaniel Wing (and cites this same Mayflower Descendant article which says > she died a year before the marriage!). It identifies her as the Thankful > you have. I cannot explain this and I have a thunder storm coming over me > right now and have to unplug the computer--sorry to be so abrupt with the > information. Maybe you have found an explanation for this seeming > inconsistency, or maybe it's something to look into further. Good luck. I haven't seen any more on this question here; but thought people might be interested in this web-page and comments therein: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=raywing&id=I2000273 You might want to determine how many Thankful Swifts were available and of the right age in Wareham in 1755. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Dale, I've followed your posts in the MAYFLOWER List at Rootsweb for some time now. The one below caused me to wonder if there might be a listing on the web somewhere of all of the "Silver Books" and their contents by volume. Also, have any/all of the "Silver Books" been made available anywhere in electronic form? Adobe Acrobat format would really be ideal. I appreciate your response in advance. THANKS!! Rick -----Original Message----- From: Dale H Cook [mailto:radiotest@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:21 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] Silver Book #2 On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:01:59 -0700 "Dianna Saario" <dsaario@attbi.com> writes: > Could someone tell me who is respresented by the Silver Book #2. > What are the three names?? Dianna - They are Chilton, More and Rogers. Volume 2 has been supplanted by new volumes benefitting from further research - Chilton and More are in Volume 15 and Rogers in Volume 19. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA ______________________________

I would appreciate it if anyone having the Mayflower Families in Progress, Francis Cooke, 5th ed. (2000) could tell me the family number for Joseph Taber found on page 103. I am assuming that this is still the most recent version of the Cooke MFIP. Thanks in advance. Ray

Time for a gentle reminder.... Unless it pertains to the passengers of the Mayflower, their ancestors and descendants, it does not belong on this list. Thanks! Craig Rich Listowner: MAYFLOWER-L >Cyndy -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia <NewEnglanders1620@samnet.net> To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: [MFLR] Re: I like number 1 ... 3...6..7..8..10 >Mim.... > Ha..ha.... I do like ..1..3...6...7...8...and 10 >now will forward to my friends [girls only]...... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Miriam Taylor-Cotton > > For those in the Ya-Ya sisterhood: > > 1) If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, > it will always be yours. If it doesn't come back, it was > never yours to begin with. But, if it just sits in your > living room, messes up your stuff, eats your food, uses > your telephone, takes your money, and doesn't appear to > realize that you had set it free....... You either > married it or gave birth to it. > > 2) Reason to smile: Every 7 minutes of every day, > someone in an aerobics class pulls a hamstring. > > 3) My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves > completely. > > 4) The best way to forget all your troubles is to wear > tight shoes. > > 5) The nice part about living in a small town: When you > don't know what you're doing, someone else always does. > > 6) Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came > today. > > 7) Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I > regain consciousness. > > 8) Amazing! You hang something in your closet for a > while and it shrinks two sizes! > > 9) They keep telling us to get in touch with our bodies. > Mine isn't all that communicative but I heard from it > the other day after I said, "Body, how'd you like to go > to the six o'clock class in vigorous toning?" Clear as a > bell my body said, "Listen fatty....do it and die!" > > 10) I read this article that said the typical symptoms > of stress are eating too much, impulse buying, and > driving too fast. Are they kidding? That's my idea of a > perfect day. > > > > Send this to seven bright women you know and make their > > > day!!! Or at least make them laugh a little... > > >