***-----Original Message----- ***From: Joanne Hunt [mailto:ajh2@adelphia.net] ***Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:21 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: Re: [MFLR] William White of the Mayflower *** *** ***I am a descendant of Resolved White and Judith Vassell, but this is the ***first news I have heard that the origins of William White had been found. ***Where did you find this info? ***Joanne Hunt ***Litchfield, NH Joanne, If you look again at the message (which, by the way, came to us courtesy of the message boards--did you reply to the individual who posted it?) you will find the words "Ancestral file" sprinkled throughout. I know the Ancestral files are held in low esteem by some, but as a believer in "choice in genealogy" I always look there first. But before something gets started--I really do use the Ancestral files as probably all of us do for leads, and I have the deepest respect and gratitude for the work of the LDS volunteers and the magnificent resources of the Family History Library which they make available freely to all.

I am a descendant of Resolved White and Judith Vassell, but this is the first news I have heard that the origins of William White had been found. Where did you find this info? Joanne Hunt Litchfield, NH

Help: I have been trying to get the genealogy correct on this. I have an ancestor named Perkins Raymond who was born in 1779 in Plymouth his parents were Ezekiel Raymond and Sarah Perkins.. I have been trying to find out more about Sarah Perkins .. Not sure if she is the one who is descended from Miles Standish or not.. Any and all help would be helpful and apprecited Barbara --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/178 Message Board Post: Looking to fix this family tree and expand my family line to the Mayflower Any help is appreciated. Descendants of Thomas White Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 WHITE was born 1525, and died October 14, 1579. He married <UNNAMED> Bet. 1541 - 1545 in Newtown Parish, Bingham, Nottingham, England. She was born Abt. 1525. Child of THOMAS WHITE and <UNNAMED> is: 2. i. ALEXANDER2 WHITE, b. 1550, Stourton, Le Steeple, Notinghamshire, England; d. May 06, 1596, Sturton, Nottinghamshire, England. Generation No. 2 2. ALEXANDER2 WHITE (THOMAS1) was born 1550 in Stourton, Le Steeple, Notinghamshire, England, and died May 06, 1596 in Sturton, Nottinghamshire, England. He married ELEANOR SMITH in Of Sturton-Le-, Steeple, Nottingham, England. She was born Abt. 1546 in Of Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng, and died in Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England. More About ALEXANDER WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-GP Burial: 1596, , , Nottinghamshire, Eng Christening: Newton Parish More About ELEANOR SMITH: Ancestral File Number: 8505-HV Burial: , , Eng Christening: Or, Welbourne, Lincs, Eng Children of ALEXANDER WHITE and ELEANOR SMITH are: i. CATHERINE3 WHITE, b. Abt. 1565, Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England; d. May 16, 1621, Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England. More About CATHERINE WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-FJ ii. CHARLES WHITE, b. 1575, Stourton Le, Steeple, Notts, Eng; d. 1633. Notes for CHARLES WHITE: Mayflower Arrival More About CHARLES WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-PW iii. ROGER WHITE, b. 1578, Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng. More About ROGER WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-Q3 iv. BRIDGET WHITE, b. 1579, Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England; d. 1643, Leyden, Holland, Netherlands. More About BRIDGET WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-NQ v. THOMAS WHITE, b. Abt. 1581, Sturton, Nottingham, England. More About THOMAS WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 23Q6-030 vi. CATHERINE WHITE, b. Abt. 1582, Sheffield, , England. More About CATHERINE WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 16WQ-9LJ vii. CHARLES WHITE, b. Abt. 1584, Sheffield, , England. More About CHARLES WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 16WQ-9FH 3. viii. FRANCES WHITE, b. 1585, Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng; d. 1636, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England. ix. EDWARD WHITE, b. 1588, Stourton Le, Steeple, Notts, Eng. More About EDWARD WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-TL x. JANE WHITE, b. 1589, Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottingham, England. More About JANE WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-VR 4. xi. WILLIAM WHITE, b. November 10, 1591, Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands; d. February 21, 1620/21, Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. Generation No. 3 3. FRANCES3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born 1585 in Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng, and died 1636 in Rotherham, Yorkshire, England. She married FRANCIS JESSOP Abt. 1605 in Strtn Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England, son of RICHARD JESSOP and ANN SWIFT. He was born November 13, 1569 in Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England, and died Aft. 1624. More About FRANCES WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-R8 Burial: Abt. 1836, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England More About FRANCIS JESSOP: Ancestral File Number: FBX0-M9 Burial: Sheffield, York, England Child of FRANCES WHITE and FRANCIS JESSOP is: 5. i. JOHN4 JESSEP, b. 1602, England; d. Abt. 1638, Weathesfield, Hartford, Conn. 4. WILLIAM3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born November 10, 1591 in Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died February 21, 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. He married SUSANNA FULLER February 11, 1611/12 in Leyden, Holland. She was born January 15, 1592/93 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England, and died October 01, 1680. Notes for WILLIAM WHITE: Arrived on the mayflower More About WILLIAM WHITE: Ancestral File Number: FWQJ-0R Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts Emigration: Mayflower Children of WILLIAM WHITE and SUSANNA FULLER are: 6. i. RESOLVED4 WHITE, b. 1615, Grenn Aley, Leyden, Holland; d. Aft. September 19, 1687. ii. PERIGRINE WHITE, b. Bet. December 07 - 10, 1620, On Mayflower in Provincetown Harbor, Plymoth, MA; d. Bet. July 20 - 22, 1704, Marshfield, MA; m. SARAH BASSETT, Bef. March 06, 1648/49; b. Abt. 1626. Notes for PERIGRINE WHITE: Born on board the Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor. First Documented Birth in America. (Another baby was born on the Mayflower Voyage called Oceana ...) Generation No. 4 5. JOHN4 JESSEP (FRANCES3 WHITE, ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born 1602 in England, and died Abt. 1638 in Weathesfield, Hartford, Conn. He married JOANNA KERRICH 1624 in , Leiden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands. She was born 1604 in Leiden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died Aft. 1648 in , Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut. More About JOHN JESSEP: Ancestral File Number: 8TX6-6Q More About JOANNA KERRICH: Ancestral File Number: 8TX6-7W Children of JOHN JESSEP and JOANNA KERRICH are: i. JOHN5 JESSUP, b. 1624, Leyden, Holl; d. Long Island, New York. More About JOHN JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 122J-SHS ii. EDWARD JESSUP, b. Bet. 1624 - 1635, Of, Fairfield, Fairfield, Conn.; d. August 06, 1666, Fairfield, Fairfield, Conn.. More About EDWARD JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 8TX1-F8 iii. ELIZABETH ANN JESSUP, b. 1628, Of Newtown, Queens, New York. More About ELIZABETH ANN JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 4V9L-ZB iv. JESSUP, b. Abt. 1630, <Of, Fairfield, Fairfield, Conn.>. More About JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 9MZP-RG v. JOHANNA JESSUP, b. Abt. 1630; d. 1679, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, New York; m. JOHN BURROUGHS, 1650, Weathersfield, Hartford, Conn.; b. Bet. 1611 - 1612, Barnstable, Devonshire, England; d. August 1678, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, NY. More About JOHANNA JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: KJKV-PM More About JOHN BURROUGHS: Ancestral File Number: KJKV-NG Burial: 1678 vi. ELIZABETH JESSUP, b. Abt. 1634; d. New York; m. JOHN BURROUGHS, 1664, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, New York; b. Bet. 1611 - 1612, Barnstable, Devonshire, England; d. August 1678, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, NY. More About ELIZABETH JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: M4JC-QV More About JOHN BURROUGHS: Ancestral File Number: KJKV-NG Burial: 1678 vii. JOHN JESSUP, b. Abt. 1635, Wethersfield, Hartford, Ct. More About JOHN JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: W6FP-DM 6. RESOLVED4 WHITE (WILLIAM3, ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born 1615 in Grenn Aley, Leyden, Holland, and died Aft. September 19, 1687. He married (1) JUDITH VASSALL November 05, 1640 in Scituate, MA. She was born 1620. He married (2) ABIGAIL LORD October 05, 1674 in Salem, MA. She was born Bet. 1615 - 1654. Children of RESOLVED WHITE and JUDITH VASSALL are: i. WILLIAM5 WHITE, b. April 10, 1642, Scituate, MA. ii. JOHN WHITE, b. March 11, 1643/44, Scituate, MA. iii. SAMUEL WHITE, b. March 13, 1645/46, Scituate, MA. iv. RESOLVED WHITE, b. November 14, 1647, Scituate, MA. v. ANNA WHITE, b. June 04, 1649, Scituate, MA. vi. ELIZABETH WHITE, b. June 04, 1652, Scituate, MA. vii. JOSIAH WHITE, b. September 29, 1654, Scituate, MA. Les

Cathy, Terrific subjects. Wish I were there to take your course. You are the kind of teacher who stimulates her students. Keep up the good work! Hugh Busey

Hi All, I am back from my trip to Plymouth and what a great experience. We visited Plymouth Plantation,the Mayflower,the Rock, Brewster Park, Jenney Grist Mill , Buriel Hill, and the Mayflower Society House. The Mayflower Society House was just beautiful and we should all be very proud of it. At Brewster Park I saw the momument dedicated to Samuel & John Eddy of whom I'm descended and we stayed at the Zachariah Eddy B&B in Middleboro and also visited the Eddy Homestead in Middleboro. It sure all brought a great sense of history to me to be walking on the land that my ancestors did. Thank-you for all your suggestions as to what to see. We spent the week there and enjoyed every minute of it. Judi(Myles Standish,John Alden,Samuel Eddy.)

In a message dated 8/31/02 1:10:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cboyle@ViaFamily.com writes: << Currently, I am investigating the role of the different religious groups and the role that they played in the shaping of the colony. I am particularly interested in the following groups: >> Cathy, and all..... If you haven't read it yet, I like.... Albion's Seed, by David Hackett Fischer There are sections on religion for several areas of the country, including New England. Dianne

on 8/31/02 5:43 PM, Harlow Chandler at chandler@firstva.com wrote: > I am wondering where Mehitable WORMALL, wife of Christopher WADSWORTH ended > up. > > According to a MD article (MD 43:156) in 1993, Mehitable, who had been > thought to be the daughter of Josiah Wormall and Patience Sherman, was being > considered by Peter B. Hill to be instead the dau. of an older Josiah > Wormall and Remember Browne in the then current Doty MFIP. > > Would someone who has the Doty silver book through Desire which was > published after 1993 be willing to check whether Mehitabel is now listed as > a daughter of Josiah and Patience (SHERMAN) WORMALL? Vol 11, part 2 (Edward Doty silver book) [p 21] "Mehetable and Ebenezer Wormall appear to have been too old to have been the children of Josiah and Patience (Sherman) Wormall, as they are sometimes listed: they are more probably the sister and brother of Josiah Wormall. Note that Mehetable and Ebenezer are not mentioned in Josiah's will." [p20] Josiah Wormall's parents are given as "Josiah and Remember (BROWN) WORMALL." By the way, while looking for the WORMALLs in my copy of the book I discovered the final surname in the index is WOOD, the WORMALLs aren't there. Do I have a defective copy or is this the case for every copy? Wilfred

I am wondering where Mehitable WORMALL, wife of Christopher WADSWORTH ended up. According to a MD article (MD 43:156) in 1993, Mehitable, who had been thought to be the daughter of Josiah Wormall and Patience Sherman, was being considered by Peter B. Hill to be instead the dau. of an older Josiah Wormall and Remember Browne in the then current Doty MFIP. Would someone who has the Doty silver book through Desire which was published after 1993 be willing to check whether Mehitabel is now listed as a daughter of Josiah and Patience (SHERMAN) WORMALL? Thanks. Harlow

My Thomas STARR had a quirky sense of humor when naming his children: Jehosaphat Comfort Nostrength Moregift William Mercy Constant Suretrust Thomas Standwell TruthShallPrevayl Joyfoole Constante Anne Mary Beloved I wish I had been a fly on their wall during the name selections! They cause some fun speculations... Was "Jehosaphat!" the first word out of Mom's mouth after a long labor?! Was "Nostrength" a sickly baby? Can you imagine standing in the doorway and calling "TruthShallPrevayyyyyyyyl! Dinner's ready!" ? No wonder my ancestor, Thomas's son Comfort, named his children plain names! And Bette, will transcripts of your talk be available? I descend from the ALDEN/MULLINS line and won't be at the Fuller Family Association dinner, but I would really like to read the talk you are giving! Lynn

Hi! First, my thanks to all who helped last year with suggestions on Plymouth Colony books and information about our ancestors. Your contributions helped to make our Early American History course come alive. My sons thoroughly enjoyed examining the lives of their ancestors and the roles that they played in shaping Plymouth Colony (or not in some cases). Currently, I am investigating the role of the different religious groups and the role that they played in the shaping of the colony. I am particularly interested in the following groups: 1. Puritans 2. Quakers 3. The Wampanoag tribe 4. Familists 5. Baptists 6. Separatists 7. Anglicans 8. Any other group not listed here. We are looking for any laws made concerning religion, any punishments concerning religion and why these punishments were given, how these punishments were received by those accused and by those in the community, the belief systems of the groups, why different churches/religious groups were formed in the colony, how the belief systems of the various groups effected their social structure/family life, etc. Any info is greatly appreciated. Our Mayflower ancestors are Richard Warren and Elizabeth (through Elizabeth) and Elizabeth Tilley and John Howland (through both Desire and Hope). Any info regarding our ancestors, especially as it pertains to the above research, is also welcome. Any help would be greatly appreciated. IHG, Cathy Boyle

For Bette Bradway's talk next Saturday...my favorite is "Truth-Shall-Prevayel" Starr, born 19 December 1604 in Ashford, Kent, England. Reference "Early Starrs in Kent & New England", Hosea Starr Ballou, 1944, pg 25 Quote him...quote me...I don't care, but I wish I could be there to hear your talk to the Fullers, because I have several Fuller lines. Marty Irons PS: Her siblings included Joyfoole, Constant, Comfort, No Strength, Moregifte, Mercy, Standwell and Beloved. PPS: No Strength only lived about 2-1/2 months.

Question! I am scheduled to speak at the Mayflower Fuller Family Assoc. meeting in Plymouth next Saturday evening. I am putting together something that I hope will be humorous, because there is nothing worse than an after dinner speaker who puts everyone to sleep! Would anyone who posted these odd names and comments mind if I used some of them in my talk????? If agreeable to my using them, should I give you credit or let you remain anonymous? Respond DIRECTLY and PRIVATELY, please. Let's not clutter up the list with things like that.... With thanks, Bette Bradway

A descendant of both Hopkins and Brewsters was Irene May Tripp Unfortunately, she did

When "giving thanks," let's remember: Thank Ye The Lord (married to Ralph Shepherd). ========================================= Mayflower line: Richard Warren

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) SEESIDE@webtv.net (Robert Poules) writes: > My line goes Henry Dyer md Ann Small Silvia - MF5G V. 6 (Hopkins) 1st ed., p. 21, has Abigail Snow (John, Constance Hopkins, Stephen) as possibly the Abigail who married Daniel Small (and so possibly the mother of Anna Small). Since this is a suggested identification it probably would need more research before a line would be accepted - I don't have the later editions of MF5G6 - perhaps there is more information in one of them. > Henry md. Elizabeth Simonton In Susan Roser's "Mayflower Marriages" p. 220 I found the marriage of Jonathan Cobb (Hope Chipman, Hope Howland, John) and Elizabeth Vaughn. Her "Mayflower Births & Deaths" 2:145 shows a daughter Elizabeth b. 08-Oct-1712 Middleboro but no marriage to Andrew Simonton is shown in "Mayflower Marriages." I don't have Elizabeth Pearson White's "John Howland of the Mayflower" V. 2 to check this - perhaps someone else on the list does. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WLVA WZZU Lynchburg VA

And don't forget Thankful Gay, (whose 5 ggrandfather was William White),who married John Musick, thus becoming Thankful Musick.......not much of that around today! Their daughter was Easter Musick! It's true, so help me!!

I have Anna Bastard (her father was Joseph Bastard) in my Rumsey line. Anna is the g-grandmother of Jeremiah Rumsey who m. Asenath Doud, and she is from the Mayflower line. And my cousin has Thankful Hooker! TTYS, Dawn Green

Off topic (no known Mayflower link), but I'm going to say it and then butt out... My all-time favorite is Preserved Fish. Bette Bradway

Wow, this discussion sounds more like it's about Dr. Seuss than the Mayflower! There are of course many men and women in all of our Mayflower heritages with names like Barzilla (female) or Barzillai (male), Theophilus and Eliphalet and Jerusha and Ozias. Then there are those names that the first/last combo just kind of rolls off the tongue or makes us laugh -- "Puella Hussey" or "Mehitable Handy Noonan." There's also Yelverton Crowell and Camp Addams and Thankful Watrous and Liberty Bartlett -- no Mayflower connections (yet...I don't think...are there??), but cool names nonetheless! However, the unusually named Mayflower descendant who is nearest and dearest to my heart is my own late father, Cassius Bartlett Barnes, Jr., descendant of Hopkins and Brewster, who was the last in a long line of men named "Cassius" in our family. To distinguish from his father, my Dad was called by his middle name as a child, and so his full first/middle/last name was known to the other kids. Unfortunately for my poor Dad, the schoolyard rhyming possibilities for the name "Cassius Bartlett" are quite obvious -- and thus my brother (his only son) is named Tom! :-) Kathy Fenton Virginia Beach, VA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself...but I think I have a right to object to libelous statements about my dog." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt Check out my genealogy web pages! http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/f/e/n/K-Fenton/index.html ~AND~ http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=twigsandbranches Recycle yourself! Tell someone you want to be an organ and tissue donor!