In a message dated 9/5/02 4:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbbullock@earthlink.net writes: > Subj:RE: [MFLR] More on William & Susanna ( ) White > Date:9/5/02 4:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:jbbullock@earthlink.net">jbbullock@earthlink.net</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com">MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > NEHGR 55:415-416 > > "Norfolk Archdeaconry Court, Norwich" > "Register, 1614; folio 259." > " Roberde Fuller, of the parish of Redenhall, yeoman, will dated 19 > May, 1614, proved 31 May, 1614 . . ." > > Includes: > "To daughter Ann Fuller, twenty pounds." > > Also: > "The rest of my chattels to be divided and half to be given to my wife, > the other half among my four children, viz., Edward, Ann, Elizabeth and > Mary Fuller." > > Jim Bullock > Littleton, CO > > How come I don't see the name of Samuel Fuller or Matthew Fuller in this will? Could this be another Fuller than the Mayflower line? Dave from Long Island.

The quoted portion of the will abstract was to answer the question about Ann; it didn't include the entire text. Son Samuel was mentioned separately--he got 15 pounds--but there was nothing about Matthew. Jim Bullock Littleton, CO -----Original Message----- From: DMS59Dart@aol.com [mailto:DMS59Dart@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:58 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] More on William & Susanna ( ) White In a message dated 9/5/02 4:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbbullock@earthlink.net writes: > Subj:RE: [MFLR] More on William & Susanna ( ) White > Date:9/5/02 4:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:jbbullock@earthlink.net">jbbullock@earthlink.net</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com">MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > NEHGR 55:415-416 > > "Norfolk Archdeaconry Court, Norwich" > "Register, 1614; folio 259." > " Roberde Fuller, of the parish of Redenhall, yeoman, will dated 19 > May, 1614, proved 31 May, 1614 . . ." > > Includes: > "To daughter Ann Fuller, twenty pounds." > > Also: > "The rest of my chattels to be divided and half to be given to my wife, > the other half among my four children, viz., Edward, Ann, Elizabeth and > Mary Fuller." > > Jim Bullock > Littleton, CO > > How come I don't see the name of Samuel Fuller or Matthew Fuller in this will? Could this be another Fuller than the Mayflower line? Dave from Long Island. ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .

Well -- to add more confusion to the confusion re: Robert's children [Edward, Samuel and supposly Susannah]- I went into my data and this is what I kept just in case it would turn up correct - ============================= Robert was md twice, He md1) 29 Jan 1572 at Starston, Norfolk, England to Sarah Dunckhorne or Dunthorn her parentage is not known. They were parents of 8 ch all born Redenhall, Norfolk, England 1. Thomas -2) FULLER ch 13 Dec 1573 d 30 May 1659 Redenhall md 1598 Redenhall TO: Anna .......... their son i. Robert 1) FULLER b 1615 d 14 Dec 1688 Dedham, MA md Ann .......... their 2 sons i. Jonathan 2) FULLER b 15 June 1643 Salem, MA d 10 Feb 1709 Attleboro,MA md 14 Dec 1664 Rehoboth,MA TO: Marie Elizabeth WILMOT or WILMARTH they had 11 children - ii. Benoni FULLER 16 June 1646 2. xEdward FULLER [Mayflower] our line ch 4 Sep 1575 d 10 Apr 1621 md 1598 Redenhall TO: Ann [some say HOPKINS???] 3. Ann FULLER bp 22 Apr 1577 bur: 22 Dec 1638 4. John FULLER ..dy, ch 15 Mar 1578 d 10 Feb 1580 5. Samuel FULLER [Mayflower] ch 20 Jan 1580 d 9 Aug / 26 Sep 1633 Plymouth, MA md 3x md1) Alice GLASSCOCK at Leyden md2) Agnes Ann CARPENTER Leyden md3) Bridget LEE Leyden 6. Robert FULLER ch 22 Oct 1581 7. John FULLER 2nd/ch so named ch 25 Mar 1582 died 22 Dec 1608 8. Edmund FULLER ch 19 May 1583 d 19 Aug 1584 Robert md2) abt 1584 to Frances BLACKWELL b 1555 county Norfolk, England she died 1652 at Redenhall...they were parents of 9 ch all born Redenhall, Norfolk, England 9. [1] Sarah FULLER b. 4 Sep 1585 d. ... md 26 Nov 1607 Redenhall TO: James SPAULDING 10 [2] Alan FULLER bp 13 Feb 1585 11 [3] Christopher FULLER b 15 Dec 1588 d 12 July 1590 12 [4] Rose FULLER ch. 22 Dec 1588 13 [5] Elizabeth FULLER ch 29 Nov 1590 d 1614 14 [6] Thomas FULLER ch 31 Oct 1591 15 [7] Susanna FULLER [Mayflower] b 1594 d 1 Oct 1680 Marshfield, Plymouth, Massachusetts md1) 11 Feb. 1612 Leyden, Holland TO: William 1) WHITE d 1620 md2) 12 May 1621 Plymouth, MA TO: Edward 1) WINSLOW 16 [8] Valentine FULLER ch 16 Jan 1594 17 [9] Mary FULLER ch 13 July 1595 died 1614 md 2 Feb 1617 co Norfolk,England TO: John LOWE Please tell me what you all think of the above? ~~~~~~~~~~ Now, here is another of Robert -1) FULLER'S sons *Robert 1) FULLER who came to New England, but not on the MAYFLOWER- [he is #13] ============================== 10- Jacob FULLER, Sr, b 5 Feb 1693, Rehoboth,Mass, d _?, marr 1 Apr 1719, Ashford, CT, Elizabeth Magoun/Magoon, b 1 Jun 1699, Windham,Ct,d__? Thank you very much Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com 11- David FULLER, 11 Sept 1667, Rehoboth, Mass, d 12 Apr 1750, Coventry,Ct: Marr 15 Jul 1691, Rehoboth,Mass, Mary Ormsby, b 21 Nov 1672, Rehoboth, Bristol, Mass., d 1720, Coventry,CT. 12- Jonathan FULLER, 15 Jun 1643, Salem,Mass. , d 10 Feb 1708, Rehoboth, Mass, marr. 14 Dec 1664,Rehoboth,Mass, Elizabeth Willmarth, b 4 Apr 1647, Rehoboth, Bristol,Mass, d 1715___? 13- *Robert 1) FULLER, 1616, Redenhall, Eng, d 10 May 1706, Rehoboth,Mass., Marr 3 Apr 1647, Sarah Bowen, b 1678, Wales, d 14 Oct 1676, Rehoboth Bristol,MA. 14- Thomas -1) FULLER, 13 Dec 1573, Redenhall, Eng, d 30 May 1659, Redenhall, Eng, marr 1598, Redenhall, Anne____? B 1577, Redenhall, Thomas's Will probated, 30 May 1559, and is a Brother to Edward and Samuel Fuller of the Mayflower. 15- Robert -3) FULLER, b abt 1548, Redenhall,Eng, d May 1614 Redenhall England, marr 29 Jan 1572, Sarah DUNTHORNE / DUNKHORN, b abt 1550, d 1 Jul 1584, Redenhall [8 ch see above] Robert md2) abt 1584 at Redenhall TO: Frances BLACKWELL b 1555 at county Norfold, England, she died 1652 at Redenhall. 16- John -4) FULLER, b abt 1510, Redenhall, Eng, d Feb 1559, Redenhall..marr _________? 17- William -5) FULLER, b abt 1483, Redenhall, d _______, marr. _______, 18- John -6) FULLER, B ________,d ____, Redenhall, will dated, 29 Mar 1511, Proved 11 May 1511. Marr_________?

I don't know if the Clapp line decends from the Mayflower, but there are some really interesting names especially with the secondary meaning of Clapp in today's language. From the book The Clapp Memorial Record of the Clapp Family in America..., by Ebenezer Clapp 1876, here are some names Page 7 Quantus Clapp Preserved Clapp Unite Clapp Hopstill Clapp Waitstill Clapp Redigon Clapp Amiell Clapp Desire Clapp Experience Clapp Wait Clapp Thanks Clapp Unite Clapp Supply Clapp Jarijah Clapp Mehitable Clapp Parsons Clapp Eliphaz Clapp Mindwell Clapp Dolly Clapp Phineas Clapp Hophni Clapp Diadema Clapp Tirzah Clapp Female Electa Clapp Stilman Sprague Clapp Wealthy Clapp pg 37 Warham Clapp Elihu Clapp Noadiah Clapp Fortunately, there are many ordainary names like Jonathan, Martha, Roger, Thomas, Elizabeth, James, Mary, Henry, John, Thomas. Have a laugh.! Marita

NEHGR 55:415-416 "Norfolk Archdeaconry Court, Norwich" "Register, 1614; folio 259." " Roberde Fuller, of the parish of Redenhall, yeoman, will dated 19 May, 1614, proved 31 May, 1614 . . ." Includes: "To daughter Ann Fuller, twenty pounds." Also: "The rest of my chattels to be divided and half to be given to my wife, the other half among my four children, viz., Edward, Ann, Elizabeth and Mary Fuller." Jim Bullock Littleton, CO -----Original Message----- From: Susan E. Roser [mailto:roser@iprimus.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:59 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: [MFLR] More on William & Susanna ( ) White . . . 3) The will of Robert Fuller, dated 19 May 1614, mentions daughter Ann "Fuller" not Ann (or Susanna) "White" - this is two years after the above marriage to William White <NEHGR 55:415-6> So, according to this will, there must have been another "contender" for Ann Fuller in Leiden as well. [NOTE: It is MF 5:7 which cites NEHGR and states that daughter Ann Fuller was mentioned in Robert's will. In his article, Dr. Bangs states that she was NOT mentioned in the will. Unfortunately, my NEHGR CD does not work so I can't check 55:415 to see who is right.] . . .

on 9/5/02 07:57 AM, > "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> wrote >...It is MF 5:7 which cites NEHGR and states that daughter Ann Fuller >was mentioned in Robert's will. In his article, Dr. Bangs states that she >was NOT mentioned in the will. Unfortunately, my NEHGR CD does not work so >I can't check 55:415 to see who is right.] MF is correct. NEHGR 55:415ff "To daughter Ann Fuller, twenty pounds." and "..half among my four children, Edward, Ann, Elizabeth, and Mary." My NEHGR CD is a pain. I used the on-line database of NEHGS <newenglandancestors.com> Regards, Bob Bob & Dee Carroll Westport on Lake Champlain, NY. Bob@shipstore.com www.westportmarina.com Ancestors of Bob and Dee: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rcarroll

> At 05:10 PM 9/3/02 -0400, Susan E. Roser wrote: > >Just to confirm what others have already hinted at - the parentage of > >William White is unknown, as is the identity of his wife, Susanna. As for > >her being a Fuller, the sister of brothers Dr. Samuel Fuller and Edward > >Fuller of the Mayflower - this is completely false based on the available > >information. I covered this topic in "Mayflower Births & Deaths", 2:486, > >fn.#1, however if anyone is interested, I will post the info here. > > A recent opinion by a well-respected Pilgrim scholar, Dr. Jeremy Dupertuis > Bangs, appears in, "Notes from Leiden: Another Look at the Identity of > Edward Winslow's Wife, Susanna (?Fuller) White," _New England Historical > and Genealogical Register_, vol. 154 (2000), pp. 109-118. Basically, he > concludes that, while there were two William White individuals in Leiden, > it is still possible that the one who married Ann Fuller, sister of Samuel, > could have been the one who came on the "Mayflower" and died in Plymouth. > Furthermore he says that the widow Susanna White who married Edward Winslow > could still be identical to Ann (Fuller) White. He also points out that > there is neither proof nor disproof either way. The records simply allow > either of the two interpretations (and possibly others!). > > Regards, > > Robert _______________ Robert, Thank you for reminding me of the article - I've just read it over to refresh my memory. Dr. Bangs did a superb job of restating the facts and suggesting certain interpretations, however he did not prove the question one way or the other. In fact, in the next issue of the NEHGR was a note to readers entitled "Oh, Susanna..." whereby it was stated: "Unfortunately, some readers were left with the impression that Dr. Bangs was trying to prove that Edward Winslow married an Ann Fuller who was many years his senior. Such is not the case...After pulling together all the information he could find in the Leiden records, he restated the conflicting arguments for and against traditional identifications of Mrs. Winslow. Some of his comments were definitely in the spirit of devil's advocate." There are problems in identifying Susanna as Ann Fuller which I outline in Mayflower Births & Deaths, 2:486, #1. 1) Ann Fuller, dau of Robert and sister of Samuel & Edward Fuller, was baptized 22 Apr. 1577 - Edward Winslow was baptized 28 Oct. 1595. This would make her 18 years older than Edward. Even if we accepted that fact - it would mean that she bore him children when she was in her 50's. (And, it would mean she was about 38 when her first child with William White was born.) Any time we encounter these types of unusual occurences in genealogy a red flag immediately goes up. 2) There IS a marriage record in Leiden for a William White & Ann Fuller, dated 11 Feb. 1612, however there was at least one other man by the name of William White in Leiden who was living there after "our" William White had already left. Therefore there is another "contender" for the marriage to Ann Fuller. 3) The will of Robert Fuller, dated 19 May 1614, mentions daughter Ann "Fuller" not Ann (or Susanna) "White" - this is two years after the above marriage to William White <NEHGR 55:415-6> So, according to this will, there must have been another "contender" for Ann Fuller in Leiden as well. [NOTE: It is MF 5:7 which cites NEHGR and states that daughter Ann Fuller was mentioned in Robert's will. In his article, Dr. Bangs states that she was NOT mentioned in the will. Unfortunately, my NEHGR CD does not work so I can't check 55:415 to see who is right.] 4) The famous letter from Edward Winslow to "uncle Mr. Robert Jackson", dated 30 Oct. 1623, which states: "Almost two yeares since I wrote to my father in law declaring the death of his soon White & the continued health of his daughter and her two children". <NEHGR 109:242> Since Robert Fuller died in 1614, how could Winslow have written him in 1621? 5) On the other side of the coin is the marriage record of Samuel Fuller to Agnes Carpenter in 1613 - one of the witnesses was "Willem Hoyt" his brother-in-law. Dr. Bangs suggests that "Hoyt" was a rendition of "White". Note that one of the other witnesses was "Agnijs Weyt" (Agnes White) - the spelling of which is much closer which makes me wonder why, in the same document, it wasn't spelled the same way if it was William White who was the witness. The MF Winslow book [5:7] says it is "highly unlikely, if not impossible" that Susanna was Ann Fuller. The MF White book [13:2] states Susanna was "not the sister of Dr. Samuel Fuller as is often claimed" and goes on to state that there is no proof that the William White in Leiden was the same William White in Plymouth, saying "A critical examination of Leiden sources casts heavy doubt on this assumption". Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

All, At 05:10 PM 9/3/02 -0400, Susan E. Roser wrote: >Just to confirm what others have already hinted at - the parentage of >William White is unknown, as is the identity of his wife, Susanna. As for >her being a Fuller, the sister of brothers Dr. Samuel Fuller and Edward >Fuller of the Mayflower - this is completely false based on the available >information. I covered this topic in "Mayflower Births & Deaths", 2:486, >fn.#1, however if anyone is interested, I will post the info here. A recent opinion by a well-respected Pilgrim scholar, Dr. Jeremy Dupertuis Bangs, appears in, "Notes from Leiden: Another Look at the Identity of Edward Winslow's Wife, Susanna (?Fuller) White," _New England Historical and Genealogical Register_, vol. 154 (2000), pp. 109-118. Basically, he concludes that, while there were two William White individuals in Leiden, it is still possible that the one who married Ann Fuller, sister of Samuel, could have been the one who came on the "Mayflower" and died in Plymouth. Furthermore he says that the widow Susanna White who married Edward Winslow could still be identical to Ann (Fuller) White. He also points out that there is neither proof nor disproof either way. The records simply allow either of the two interpretations (and possibly others!). Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Genealogical Research 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 http://www.rlward.com/ <info@rlward.com>

Hi! Some have asked me to post the sources I have received. Here they are: Curious Punishments of Bygone Days, Alice Morse Earle published by Charles E. Tuttle Company, Inc. of Rutland, VT and Tokyo, Japan. First Tuttle edition 1972, Fourth Printing, 1983. "The Quaker Invasion of Massachusetts" "Falmouth on Cape Cod" "History of the town of Plymouth : from its first settlement in 1620 to the present time : with a concise history of the aborigines of New England and their wars with the English, &c." "Society of Friends in Barnstable" "The history of Cape Cod : annals of thirteen towns of Barnstable County" "Three lectures on the early history of the town of Falmouth : covering the time from its settlement to 1812" "The Puritan Age in Massachusetts" "A comprehensive history, ecclesiastical and civil, of Eastham, Wellfleet and Orleans, county of Barnstable, Mass. : from 1644 to 1844" Saint's and Strangers Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer Plymouth Colony, Its History & People, 1620-1691" a history written by Eugene Aubrey Stratton, published by Ancestry History of Barnstable County," edited by Samuel Deyo in 1890 QUAKER-ROOTS-L IHG, Cathy Boyle

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Muriel wrote " I am searching for the parents of Lydia Swift, born about 1770 in probably Plymouth. She married Mordecai Ellis on 14 Dec 1787 in Plymouth, MA. They are listed as both being of Plymouth. Muriel, Me to - I queried Sandwich Archives for "candidate Lydia Swift's" in 1995. The Archivist found two Lydia Swifts in the approximate time frame but neither married a Mordicai Ellis. Suggested that our Lydia could possibly have been previously married to a Swift. Also, she could also be an unnamed daughter of any number of Swift couples. "Swift Genealogy" by Raymond Dodge was on of the sources checked. Not very encouraging. Richard Descendant of Elizabeth/Betsy Ellis, d/o Mordicai and Lydia

I just read the article "DNA Analysis of Y-Chromosomes Show Only One of Three Sons of Gershom Rice to be a Descendant of Edmund Rice in the Fall 2002 issue of the "New England Ancestors" from NEHGS. Interesting article. What would happen to membership in GSMD if there was a DNA test required (of the men at least). Oh the secrets and surprises!! P.S. The non descendants in the Rice line did have DNA markers identical to each other ... hmmmmmmm? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

I encourage everyone to check the address they are sending replies to. Since hitting reply sends a message to the person who posted a message and not to the whole Mayflower list, I have gotten several replies that were obviously meant for the person who originally asked the question on William White, which means that neither the person who asked the question nor the list saw the answer (although I have tried to pass them on). BJ

***-----Original Message----- ***From: scott mckay [mailto:scottsfamilytree@chartermi.net] ***Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:23 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: [MFLR] Huguenots *** *** *** ***Hi, I wonder how many of the Mayflower Contingency were Huguenots. I know ***that Hester Mahieu Cooke was. ***Thankyou, *** Scott mcKay Scott, If by Mayflower contingent you mean to separate out those settlers in Plymouth Colony who were Mayflower passengers, including those who did not survive, I'm not sure any were Huguenots although I would want to be educated on this. Hester Mahieu arrived after her husband, coming in 1623, so strictly speaking she wouldn't count. Philip Delano came on the Fortune in 1621. You can find claims that William Mullins was of a Huguenot family, but they are disputed in MD 44:40-1. In Tammel, et. al., _The Pilgrims and Other People from the British Isles in Leiden: 1576-1640_(Isle of Man, The Mansk-Svenska Publishing Co., Ltd., 1989) there is a list (PP 297-9) of the "Emigrants in the _Mayflower_" which lists the place of origin of each passenger. While this would not necessarily reveal Huguenot ancestry as there were Walloon churches in England, none stand out to me as looking as though there is a Huguenot background. But as I indicated, I don't know for sure and would welcome correction.

Hi, I wonder how many of the Mayflower Contingency were Huguenots. I know that Hester Mahieu Cooke was. Thankyou, Scott mcKay

Just to confirm what others have already hinted at - the parentage of William White is unknown, as is the identity of his wife, Susanna. As for her being a Fuller, the sister of brothers Dr. Samuel Fuller and Edward Fuller of the Mayflower - this is completely false based on the available information. I covered this topic in "Mayflower Births & Deaths", 2:486, fn.#1, however if anyone is interested, I will post the info here. Susan E. Roser, Governor, Historian Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

Hi Joanne, I am a descendant of Resolved White as well. I am basically a lurker on the list but always try to read the White info. Best, cousin :) Beth in Massachusetts(yeh still here ha ha) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Hunt" <ajh2@adelphia.net> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] William White of the Mayflower > I am a descendant of Resolved White and Judith Vassell, but this is the > first news I have heard that the origins of William White had been found. > Where did you find this info? > Joanne Hunt > Litchfield, NH > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > >

> 4. WILLIAM3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born November 10, > 1591 in Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died February 21, > 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. He married SUSANNA > FULLER February 11, 1611/12 in Leyden, Holland. She was born > January 15, 1592/93 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England, and died > October 01, 1680. > > Arrived on the mayflower > > More About WILLIAM WHITE: > Ancestral File Number: FWQJ-0R > Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts > Emigration: Mayflower > > Children of WILLIAM WHITE and SUSANNA FULLER are: > 6. i. RESOLVED4 WHITE, b. 1615, Grenn Aley, Leyden, > Holland; d. Aft. September 19, 1687. > ii. PERIGRINE WHITE, b. Bet. December 07 - 10, 1620, On > Mayflower in Provincetown Harbor, Plymoth, MA; d. Bet. July 20 - > 22, 1704, Marshfield, MA; m. SARAH BASSETT, Bef. March 06, > 1648/49; b. Abt. 1626. > > Notes for PERIGRINE WHITE: > Born on board the Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor. First Documented > Birth in America. (Another baby was born on the Mayflower Voyage > called Oceana ...) > I don't know about the rest of this lineage (but I'd be very careful about it, if the source is the Ancestral File; the lineages for Mayflower and other early Plymouth settlers are, in many cases, not sourced or proven at all) but the note for Peregrine ignores: a. all the Native American births b. Virginia Dare, born at Roanoke in the 1580s, and any other Roanoke births c. any children born earlier at Jamestown, VA; I don't have details (exact dates) but I know that the first women arrived sometime in 1608 (one married 3 months after arriving, and had 4 daughters, so I would guess that one or more were born before Peregrine), with the first 'mail-order brides' arriving during 1619;, so I expect that it is likely that at least one of them had given birth by Dec. 1620. This may be overly nitpicky.... but we should be careful about our sources and notes. So, while the Ancestral File may be a good place to start, it isn't a good place to finish...... I don't have _The Great Migration Begins_ but you may want to check it for the latest research on William's origins. Hope this helps, BJ

Thank you for posting your data on William WHITE- BUT You gotta remember that the Ancestry.com or any place else for that matter is only as good as the research of the person did who sent that name in - it is a clue and that is all - In the Great Migration Begins - Robert Charles ANDERSON in vol 3 pg 1980-1981- doesn't give William WHITE'S parents or his wife's maiden name - it does however say that Susanna was not as often claimed the sister of Samuel and Edward FULLER [MF 1:96, 5-7 & NEHGR 110:182-83]. Mr. Anderson goes on to say on 30 Oct 1623 Edward WINSLOW wrote from London England to "his much respected Uncle Mr. Robert JACKSON" who was clerk of the sewers at Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. In his letter he wrote that "almost two years since I wrote to my father-in-law declaring the death of his son WHITE and the continued health of his daughter and her two children: Also hath had one child by me, but it please him that gave it to take it again unto himself; I left her with child at my departure [whom God preserve] but hope to be with her before her delivery" [NEHGR 1955: 242-43]- Mr. Anderson goes on to say, "that this remains the best clue to her identity." I come thru Thomas 1) WHITE who we in our family have always "known" that he was William's younger brother - that he didn't come on the MAYFLOWER for he stayed in England to complete his schooling to come at a later time. We have always "known" that their parents were: THOMAS -1) WHITE & Francesca -1) MARTIN -- Now I have been told that is not TRUE- also in our family we have always "known" that Susanna was indeed SUSANNA FULLER the sister of our 8th gr grandfather Edward FULLER - now we are told that is not TRUE--- Guess this is what makes genealogy so interesting - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com -----Original Message----- From: Seth and/or BJ Hinshaw [mailto:hinshaw@localnet.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:05 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MFLR] William White of the Mayflower > 4. WILLIAM3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born November 10, > 1591 in Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died February 21, > 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. He married SUSANNA > FULLER February 11, 1611/12 in Leyden, Holland. She was born > January 15, 1592/93 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England, and died > October 01, 1680. > > Arrived on the mayflower > > More About WILLIAM WHITE: > Ancestral File Number: FWQJ-0R > Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts > Emigration: Mayflower > > Children of WILLIAM WHITE and SUSANNA FULLER are: > 6. i. RESOLVED4 WHITE, b. 1615, Grenn Aley, Leyden, > Holland; d. Aft. September 19, 1687. > ii. PERIGRINE WHITE, b. Bet. December 07 - 10, 1620, On > Mayflower in Provincetown Harbor, Plymoth, MA; d. Bet. July 20 - > 22, 1704, Marshfield, MA; m. SARAH BASSETT, Bef. March 06, > 1648/49; b. Abt. 1626. > > Notes for PERIGRINE WHITE: > Born on board the Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor. First Documented > Birth in America. (Another baby was born on the Mayflower Voyage > called Oceana ...) > I don't know about the rest of this lineage (but I'd be very careful about it, if the source is the Ancestral File; the lineages for Mayflower and other early Plymouth settlers are, in many cases, not sourced or proven at all) but the note for Peregrine ignores: a. all the Native American births b. Virginia Dare, born at Roanoke in the 1580s, and any other Roanoke births c. any children born earlier at Jamestown, VA; I don't have details (exact dates) but I know that the first women arrived sometime in 1608 (one married 3 months after arriving, and had 4 daughters, so I would guess that one or more were born before Peregrine), with the first 'mail-order brides' arriving during 1619;, so I expect that it is likely that at least one of them had given birth by Dec. 1620. This may be overly nitpicky.... but we should be careful about our sources and notes. So, while the Ancestral File may be a good place to start, it isn't a good place to finish...... I don't have _The Great Migration Begins_ but you may want to check it for the latest research on William's origins. Hope this helps, BJ ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .