This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Bob-- I thought that's what you were talking about, but wasn't sure. Vic

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/FO.2ADI/161.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Near the top of your search engine home page, such as Yahoo, there is a white slot to type in the descendants of Peregrine White. Then click the search button. A listing of web pages will come up. The one that you want should be the top one listed. Click on it and you will find the eleven generations. Bob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White Searl Hesser Pittenger Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Bob, I'm not sure I understood what you meant when you said "set your browser to descendants of Perigrine White". Did you mean to do some kind of a search, or is there something obvious I'm missing here. Thanks for your patience. Vic

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/FO.2ADI/161.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Vic, Another thing that you might try is to set your browser to Descendants of Peregrine White. Here you will find eleven generations of his descendants. Bob

When did this Massachusetts law go away? I have a birth certificate from Massachusetts where only the mother is listed. In the space for father there is just a dash. Dianna At 08:45 PM 12/7/2002 -0700, krabs@attbi.com wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/FO.2ADI/161.2 > >Message Board Post: > >I have experienced the same problems. I was missing two generations linking me to Peregrine White. I was able to locate the old family bible which listed these two generations as being illegitimate births. > >Herein lies the problem. Under Massachusetts law, both of the parents must be recorded. Otherwise, there can be no record of the birth. This means no marriage record and no death record. It was like these two people had never existed! > >Try questioning your relatives to determine if your family had such a bible that might be hidden away somewhere. This worked for me. Perhaps it might work for you. It's worth a try. > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > >

I am trying to prove the parentage of Deborah Brownell who married Col. George Claghorn. If she was indeed b. 1849 as is generally believed and reported then I believe her parents to be David Brownell and Grace Church. David Brownell, the son of Jeremiah Brownell and Deborah Burgess. Grace Church's lineage traces back to Richard Warren. I have only circumstantial evidence and a strong "hunch"... anyone with actual proof to help me? Judy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.2.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the advice there-- That certainly does make a lot of sense. Presently we are not in contact with any of the "Whites" that I imagine could have that kind of item. I am hoping one of these days one of them might check these boards to see what they can discover themselves and then run acrosss us. There has been quite a bit of work done on Abel and Seth White, and there has been no absolute resolution of the claim of conenction to Pergrine there as of yet. Hopefully something will turn up one of these days. Thanks. Vic Varis

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/FO.2ADI/161.2 Message Board Post: I have experienced the same problems. I was missing two generations linking me to Peregrine White. I was able to locate the old family bible which listed these two generations as being illegitimate births. Herein lies the problem. Under Massachusetts law, both of the parents must be recorded. Otherwise, there can be no record of the birth. This means no marriage record and no death record. It was like these two people had never existed! Try questioning your relatives to determine if your family had such a bible that might be hidden away somewhere. This worked for me. Perhaps it might work for you. It's worth a try.

1. John ROGERS , Immigrant (b.ABT. 1610-England;d.May 1661-Duxbury,Massachusetts) sp: Francis WATSON (b.1612-Devonshire,England;m.1634;d.1687-Scituate,Plymouth,Massachusetts) 2. Ann ROGERS (b.ABT. 1635-Scituate,Plymouth,Massachusetts;d.Abt 1712) sp: George RUSSELL (b.Abt 1625;d.1675) sp: John HUDSON (b.Abt 1623-England;m.Abt 1653;d.Abt 1688-Duxbury,Plymouth,MA) 2. John ROGERS (b.1632-England;d.7 May 1717-Marshfield,Massachusetts) sp: Rhoda KING (b.11 Oct 1639-Scituate,Plymouth,Massachusetts;m.ABT. 1659;d.Abt 1662-M,Massachusetts) sp: Elizabeth (m.Abt 1663;d.13 Sep 1692) sp: Elizabeth (m.Aft 13 Sep 1692;d.9 May 1705) 2. Mary ROGERS sp: Nathaniel FOX 2. Abigail ROGERS (b.Abt 1645-Scituate,Plymouth,Massachusetts) sp: Timothy WHITE (b.Abt 1640-Scituate,Plymouth,Massachusetts;m.1 Jan 1679;d.1704) 2. Timothy ROGERS (b.13 Apr 1650-Scituate,Plymouth,Massachusetts;d.1728-Marshfield,Plymouth,Massachusetts) sp: Eunice STETSON (b.23 Apr 1650;d.Bef 1728) 2. Joseph ROGERS (b.Abt 1655;d.Abt Jun 1716-Duxbury,Plymouth,Massachusetts) sp: Abigail BARKER (b.Abt 1657;m.Abt 1677;d.Abt May 1718)

Of Marshfield. On the "Falcon". 214 Plymouth Colony Wills and Inventories PLYMOUTH COLONY WILLS AND INVENTORIES (Continued from page 161) [THE WILL OF JOHN ROGERS, SR.*] [On folio 69] "John Rogers senir", of Marshfield, made his will 1 February, 1660. Bequests were as follows: To "my wife ffrancis Rogers all the land and housing on which 1 live with all the meadow adjoyning to the land unto the Creeke During the time of her life and att her Deceasing; to my son John Rogers .... And my son John Rogers Junir when hee or his heires Come to enjoy the said lands and housing; to pay his sister Ann hudson five pounds sterling; and to mary and abigaill Rogers ten pounds sterling apeece" "I give unto my son Josepth Rogers and Timothy Rogers all my land and meadow that lyeth on the other side of the Creeke lying easterly and this land to bee equally Devided according to quantitie Josepths land shall lye next to the land of Nathaneell Bosworth" To "my son John Rogers allmy Right and Interest in the land and housing that hee now liveth on .... the upper orchyard my wife shall have and enjoy the tearme of eight yeares" To "my Daughter An ten shillinges; and to mary my Daughter one yearling; and to my Daughter Abigaill one yearling; and to my grandchild Gorg Russell one Cow Calfe;" "The land that I have att Namassakeesett which John Hudson now lives on I give unto my grandchildren Gorge Russell and John Russell .... when these Children Come to the age of twenty and one years then to enjoy theire lands;" "my wife ffrancis Rogers to bee my .... exequitrix" The witnesses were Anthony Eames, William Maycumber, Mark Eames and Richard Beare, the last signing by a mark. The will "was exhibited tothe Court held att Plymouth" 5 June, 1661, "on the oath of Ensigne Marke Eames;" [fol. 70] "The Inventory of the goods and Chattles of John Rogers senir of Marshfild late Deceased exhibited att the Court held att Plymouth the fift of June 1661on the oath of ffrancis Rogers; "Marshfeild in New Plymouth in America Anno 1662 * This John Rogers, Sr., of Marshfield, was not the son of Thomas Rogers of The Mayflower.---Editor. Plymouth Colony Wills and Inventories 215 "An Inventory takenof all the goods and Chattles of John Rogers senr Deceased the 3d Day of ffebruary 1660:"

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:04:47 -0800 "Patricia Thayer" <arachne@townisp.com> writes: > Can anyone tell me if this line from Joseph Rogers of the Mayflower > is accurate? I have been unable to confirm it I did look in the > Rogers Mayflower silver book but did not find information on John > Rogers and Rhoda King. Most of what I have here has come from the > internet and I have no idea of its reliability. Can anyone > recommend any books where I might learn more? > > 1. Joseph Rogers of the Mayflower and Frances Watson > 2. John Rogers and Rhoda King > 3. John Rogers and Hannah Hinchman > 4. Alice Else Rogers and Thomas Clark > 5. Ruth Clark and Isaac Lobdell > 6. Sarah Lobdell and George Bryant, etc etc Patricia - Any Rogers Mayflower line should begin with Thomas. Joseph^2 Rogers, who came with his father Thomas^1 Rogers on the Mayflower (other family members came later), did not marry Frances Watson. His wife's Christian name was Hannah, and as far as I know her surname remains unknown. Joseph^2 Rogers did have a son John^3 Rogers, but John's wife was not Hannah Hinchman. John^3 married 19-Aug-1669 at Eastham, Elizabeth Twining. If this line came from the internet you are correct to suspect its reliability. The Rogers silver book is the best resource for the early generations of that family. How far back have you proven this lineage? Back to "6. Sarah Lobdell and George Bryant," perhaps? If we know how far back you have suitable documentation for your lineage perhaps we can help you push it farther back. In this case a reputable genealogy of the Bryant family (D. Alden Smith, "The Descendants of Stephen Bryant of Plymouth, and of His Son-In-Law Lt. John Bryant of Plympton," NEHGR, 153 [1999]:413-34; 154 [2000]:41-60, 227-43, 370-74, 477-504; 155 [2001]:189-211) confirms that Sarah Lobdell was the daughter of Isaac Lobdell and Ruth Clark, but says nothing about Mayflower ancestry. George^4 Bryant and Sarah Lobdell are in my database, but I have only the information from the NEHGR article regarding Sara's ancestry, whereas George's ancestry is well documented (and he was, so far as I have been able to discover, not a Mayflower descendant). Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

Can anyone tell me if this line from Joseph Rogers of the Mayflower is accurate? I have been unable to confirm it I did look in the Rogers Mayflower silver book but did not find information on John Rogers and Rhoda King. Most of what I have here has come from the internet and I have no idea of its reliability. Can anyone recommend any books where I might learn more? 1. Joseph Rogers of the Mayflower and Frances Watson 2. John Rogers and Rhoda King 3. John Rogers and Hannah Hinchman 4. Alice Else Rogers and Thomas Clark 5. Ruth Clark and Isaac Lobdell 6. Sarah Lobdell and George Bryant, etc etc Thank you Patricia Thayer Shrewsbury, MA

Thank you, Father John for your reply. Yes, this about what I have come up with so far. I did not have the information on Deborah Delano's parents. I knew their were two Deborah Delano's born in Dartmouth in 1739, about, one in May and one in June. One, the dau. of Jethro and Elizabeth and the other the dau. of Thomas and Jean. You have helped clear this up a bit. I will continue to hunt for something, a will of Mary Perry (?) or other document that says that Deborah is Mary's daughter. Joan On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 09:24 AM, Father John Haldane wrote: <snip> > Hi Joan. > I also searched the Delano Gen. book (GHAAHD), and on page 478 found > the following: "of Jethro Sr? Deborah Delano, m Dartmouth Mass. > Daniel Egery. (Inscript in an old burial ground at Acushnet. 'Deborah > Eggery wife of Daniel Eggery died May ye 17th 1770, aged 30 y. 11 mo > 25 d')"

Silvia, Two MFIPs cover the 5th & 6th generation children (with some info on the 7th). Your line is covered up to Gardner Soule & wf Abigail Curtis AND their children in Part 2 of the Soule MFIP #461. Susan. www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Poules" <SEESIDE@webtv.net> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: [MFLR] George Soule's son Nathaniel > Would anyone know if any research is being done for a MFIP on George > Soule's son Nathaniel into the fifth and sixth generation. My fathers > gggrandfather was Gardner Soule md Abegail Curtis. Gardner Soule was the > son of James Soule md Patience Macomber. James Soule was the son of > Wesson Soule md. to Ruhama Hicks. Wesson Soule is #107 on pg. 81 of the > MFIP of George Soule and his descendants for Four Generations published > 1999. Thank you for any > assistance in this question. Silvia Poules > > >

Hi Joan. In my copies of Hardwick VRs, I find the same info you mention - the baptism with no mother named (July 24, 1783). There is a marriage of Deborah Egery (one "g") to Stephen Putnam of Townsend on January 11, 1801. If this is the same Deborah Egery, she was likely an infant or very small child at the baptism. I also searched the Delano Gen. book (GHAAHD), and on page 478 found the following: "of Jethro Sr? Deborah Delano, m Dartmouth Mass. Daniel Egery. (Inscript in an old burial ground at Acushnet. 'Deborah Eggery wife of Daniel Eggery died May ye 17th 1770, aged 30 y. 11 mo 25 d')" That would mean this Deborah was born about May 23, 1739 (if I did the math right). For her to be the mother of your Deborah, she would have to have been born prior to May 17 1770, making her at least 13 at the time of the baptism and, if the marriage I cited to Stephen Putnam is your Deborah, 30 years old at the time of her marriage. That is quite old for a first marriage, but possible. I hope this info helps you narrow your clues! Blessings, Father John >From: Joan Norstedt <grammageek@earthlink.net> >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MFLR] Deborah Eggery abt 1774 >Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:01:26 -0800 > >My 4/grandmother is Deborah EGGERY, dau. of Daniel EGGERY and Mary PERRY >(?) Has anyone found her birth record showing that Mary is her mother? She >was baptised with several siblings on July 24 1783 in Hardwick, MA, but >that record apparently only shows her as being the dau. of Daniel EGGERY. >No mother listed. From what I have found (little, to this point) it appears >that she may be the dau. of Daniel's first wife, Deborah Delano. Some >records show her birth year as 1772. This is not correct, as her brother >William was born in Aug. of 1772. Has anyone researched this line? I would >appreciate any help. > >Joan in CA > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at >http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

My 4/grandmother is Deborah EGGERY, dau. of Daniel EGGERY and Mary PERRY (?) Has anyone found her birth record showing that Mary is her mother? She was baptised with several siblings on July 24 1783 in Hardwick, MA, but that record apparently only shows her as being the dau. of Daniel EGGERY. No mother listed. From what I have found (little, to this point) it appears that she may be the dau. of Daniel's first wife, Deborah Delano. Some records show her birth year as 1772. This is not correct, as her brother William was born in Aug. of 1772. Has anyone researched this line? I would appreciate any help. Joan in CA

Would anyone know if any research is being done for a MFIP on George Soule's son Nathaniel into the fifth and sixth generation. My fathers gggrandfather was Gardner Soule md Abegail Curtis. Gardner Soule was the son of James Soule md Patience Macomber. James Soule was the son of Wesson Soule md. to Ruhama Hicks. Wesson Soule is #107 on pg. 81 of the MFIP of George Soule and his descendants for Four Generations published 1999. Thank you for any assistance in this question. Silvia Poules

On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:19:47 -0500 <bobdee@westelcom.com> writes: > Web site has Hannah born 28 Feb 1733/4 bapt 29 Sept 1734, but no > source for birth. I beg to differ. It cites Bridgewater VRs 1:329 for Hannah's birth (source 75). That source reads: WASHBURN, Hannah, ch. Timothy and Hannah, Feb. 28, 1723-4. As a side note, the Washburn entries (and those for Edson, Packard and Perkins) from the published VRs of all four Bridgewaters have been transcribed to HTML. Pages for those families from West Bridgewater and Brockton are already online here on RootsWeb. Those from Bridgewater and East Bridgewater are receiving a final proofreading and will be posted shortly. > Hannah "probably" married John Finney jr with no source. Again I beg to differ. It cites the Barbour Index to the Lebanon VRs, p. 171, for the marriage (source 78). This is the same source mentioned upstream that got this thread started. I don't have immediate access to that index or to the Lebanon VRs so I'm not sure what information is there. > Seems we have nothing but a web site with "probably" and no source > for > marriage to John Finney. Not the stuff of "proof' for MF lineage. Certainly no web site contains "proof" - primary sources are not found on web sites. Although the information from the web site doesn't furnish proof that Hannah, wife of John Finney of Lebanon CT, is identical with Hannah, daughter of Timothy Washburn Sr. of Bridgewater MA, I think that the Bolton baptisms and the citation of Nathaniel Washburn's Lebanon deed are suggestive enough to warrant further investigation of deeds, probate files, and town and church records in eastern CT. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

Bob<bobdee@westelcom.com>wrote: > MF5G v12 Cooke, only gives baptism of Timothy and of Hannah Washburn; > nothing further, based on Church records. > > Web site has Hannah born 28 Feb 1733/4 bapt 29 Sept 1734, but no source for > birth. Hannah "probably" married John Finney jr with no source. > > Seems we have nothing but a web site with "probably" and no source for > marriage to John Finney. Not the stuff of "proof' for MF lineage. > True! MF wants proof beyond a reasonable doubt. They don't accept qualifiers such as supposedly, probably, maybe, reportedly, supposedly, etc. The only stumbling block is whether the Hannah Washburn who was the daughter of Timothy & Hannah the same Hannah Washburn who married John Finney. "The Finney-Phinney Families of America" by Howard Finney mentions the marriage of John Finney and Hannah Washburn, BUT does not indicate the parents of Hannah Washburn. John and Hannah did name their first son, TIMOTHY WASHBURN FINNEY. A clue, yes - but could be a coincidence. My double Finney ancestry is as follows: 1. John m. Elizabeth Bailey 2. Joshua m. Mercy Watts 3. Joshua m. Martha Martin - 3. John m. Ann Toogood 4. John m. Rachel Woodward - 4. John m. Hannah Washburn 5. Rufus m. cousin - - 5. Hannah 6. Newman m. Harriet Taylor The search continues . . . (sigh!) Thank you to all who are trying to identify Hannah!!!!! Charlie

Dale H Cook <radiotest@juno.com> wrote: > If you haven't seen this thread you might also want to see John's web > site, where Timothy Sr. is No. 120 at: > > http://www.maltbyfamily.net/washburn_plymouth_4.html > > I don't have easy access to MF5G v. 12 (Cooke) - that would show Wood's > identification of Timothy Sr. and Jr., and give more information about > this family. MF5G v12 Cooke, only gives baptism of Timothy and of Hannah Washburn; nothing further, based on Church records. Web site has Hannah born 28 Feb 1733/4 bapt 29 Sept 1734, but no source for birth. Hannah "probably" married John Finney jr with no source. Seems we have nothing but a web site with "probably" and no source for marriage to John Finney. Not the stuff of "proof' for MF lineage. Regards, Bob Bob & Dee Carroll Westport on Lake Champlain, NY. Bob@shipstore.com www.westportmarina.com Ancestors of Bob and Dee: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rcarroll