I would like to unsubscribe from this list. I thought it was a list for genealogy research. If I had wanted to join a list on political views I would have done so

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Continue the hate mail if you must but it seems that your attempts to scapegoat me in this fashion really reveals how fragile you are. If you don't want a small comment regarding politics then please don't post inflamatory slieghts about the president. Mr. patriot, please show respect and capitalize "President. Thanks, Ed Sherman

In a message dated 12/21/2002 7:45:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, hence@rocketmail.com writes: > Um, er, ah, I was only **RESPONDING** to a not so subtle stab at the > leader of my country and one of my cousins. > He's one of my cousins too and I sure am proud of being able to say that!!! Tell me another President we have had in current history (last 20-30 years) that has had the integrity, honesty, character, love of God and Country that our current one has, excluding his father George, Sr., of course. The only other past President I can think of that exhibited the same qualities is Jimmy Carter -- another favorite of mine, but unfortunately, not a cousin. Sue Proud Cousin of President George W. Bush!!!

Yes, Harlow, please stay with us. Your insights and thoughtful replies are a blessing to us all. And, let's all stay away from the politics (at least here!). We are a diverse group -- probably all rather stubborn and opinionated (I know I am!) and would be better off sticking to genealogy. You wouldn't want to get me started since I'm so blasted conservative, now would you? And, while I'm at it, a year-end thanks to all of you who make this list work! There are 619 of us subscribed to this list and, in my humble opinion, 99.9% of the time it works well. Thanks to all of you for being a part of it! Craig Rich Listowner, Mayflower-L, Rich-L Holland, Michigan / USA -----Original Message----- From: Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, December 21, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [MFLR] President Bush >My apologies to Denise and anyone else who may have been troubled by my >careless comment. > >I am unsubscribing. I hope this thread will end now. > >***-----Original Message----- >***From: Denise [mailto:hence@rocketmail.com] >***Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:10 AM >***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com >***Subject: RE: [MFLR] President Bush >*** >*** >*** >***--- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: >*** >***"and what applies to the elected President Bush presumably applies also >***to the appointed President Bush" >*** >*** >***An incorrect statement. Both Bushes were, in every sense of the word, >***"elected." Most informed folks are aware of that. >*** >***I thought we were to stick to Mayflower-related information? Why the >***cheap shot? > > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >

Rather than unsubscribe right now, I ask the Listowner to ban further garbage such as has filled my in-basket today. If you people want to talk politics, call names, and play games - go start your own board, please. This board is for discussions related to the Mayflower, her passengers, and the General Society of Mayflower descendants. Continued violations should result in banishment from this board, in my opinion. I am appalled at the bad manners so close to Christmas. PLEASE respect the 600 other people who read this board and are offended by your continued diatribe. PLEASE stop immediately. Thank you. Happy Holidays to all Father John Haldane Alden, Mullins, Brewster, Hopkins, Standish, Doty, Samson >From: TerriC7058@aol.com >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the listowner >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:47:22 EST > >I would like to unsubscribe from this list. I thought it was a list for >genealogy research. If I had wanted to join a list on political views I >would >have done so > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at >http://www.mayflower.org/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf

Harlow, As another Bush cousin thru Francis Cooke please stay.... We are all different and that is what makes this such a great world! If we are all the same what a boring lot we would be... Valeria Reckert ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brewster210@aol.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] President Bush > In a message dated 12/21/2002 6:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > chandler@firstva.com writes: > > > > My apologies to Denise and anyone else who may have been troubled by my > > careless comment. > > > > I am unsubscribing. I hope this thread will end now. > > > > > > Please do not unsubscribe. I thought it was a creative and cute comment. The > President is a cousin of mine through Granpap Francis Cooke, so it's OK. I'm > sure he would chuckle at the "appointed" thing too. We need your intellectual > wit here cousin. > Ed Sherman or Brewster, Cooke and Warren > Past Governor, Soc. of Mayflower Descendants in SC > <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">General Mayflower Society</A> > <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">SC Mayflower</A> > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >

Hi, some more controversy. I have Burkes on line. And some of the people there are Mayflower connected. But how accurate is there information. As many lines are just traced down to some (cough)American Blueblood. And not to my lines. But I know that we share common ancestors. Also I voted for Ralph Nader. HAVE A mERRY XMAS. sCOTT

In a message dated 12/21/2002 6:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, chandler@firstva.com writes: > My apologies to Denise and anyone else who may have been troubled by my > careless comment. > > I am unsubscribing. I hope this thread will end now. > > Please do not unsubscribe. I thought it was a creative and cute comment. The President is a cousin of mine through Granpap Francis Cooke, so it's OK. I'm sure he would chuckle at the "appointed" thing too. We need your intellectual wit here cousin. Ed Sherman or Brewster, Cooke and Warren Past Governor, Soc. of Mayflower Descendants in SC <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">General Mayflower Society</A> <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">SC Mayflower</A>

My apologies to Denise and anyone else who may have been troubled by my careless comment. I am unsubscribing. I hope this thread will end now. ***-----Original Message----- ***From: Denise [mailto:hence@rocketmail.com] ***Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:10 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: RE: [MFLR] President Bush *** *** *** ***--- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: *** ***"and what applies to the elected President Bush presumably applies also ***to the appointed President Bush" *** *** ***An incorrect statement. Both Bushes were, in every sense of the word, ***"elected." Most informed folks are aware of that. *** ***I thought we were to stick to Mayflower-related information? Why the ***cheap shot?

Oh please, that man in the white house should never have been president and he certainly has not acted like one yet.

"MR" patriot? How 'bout "Ms" or, if you must, "Mrs."?? Because I have an opinion I must be a man??? Please. Shouldn't you capitalize "patriot" given that you're using it as a title which was not the case with my employing "president." as an aside, netiquette precludes flaming others for typos, capitalization errors, etc, well known fact. Sorry Craig. Last time I'll take the bait. --- Brewster210@aol.com wrote: > > > > Continue the hate mail if you must but it seems that your attempts to > scapegoat me in this fashion really reveals how fragile you are. > > If you don't want a small comment regarding politics then please > don't > post inflamatory slieghts about the president. > > Mr. patriot, please show respect and capitalize "President. > > Thanks, > Ed Sherman > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Thank you for all the great information of the Bush's on the Mayflower. Yours Truly, Scott McKay

Hey folks, Um, er, ah, I was only **RESPONDING** to a not so subtle stab at the leader of my country and one of my cousins. Continue the hate mail if you must but it seems that your attempts to scapegoat me in this fashion really reveals how fragile you are. If you don't want a small comment regarding politics then please don't post inflamatory slieghts about the president. Since I'm bored with all of the whining and threats to unsubscribe and the hesterical histrionics, I will not respond to anymore attempts to scapegoat me. Perhaps that should also be a test for GSMD membership, to wit: fanatical intolerance ... seems to run in the blood. Then and now. Maybe not all of the Thirty Million. --- "Wilfred H. Allan" <genealogy@auracom.com> wrote: > Denise: > > I have found your invective so disquieting that I have now filtered > out your > address so that I don't have to read any more of it. > > I am sending this message off-list which is where I believe your off > topic > comments should have gone as well. > > Wilfred Allan > > _______________ > on 21/12/02 17:32, Denise at hence@rocketmail.com wrote: > > > To paraphrase Bill Clinton "that depends on what the meaning of > "vote" > > is." > > > > Of course, that wasn;t one of Bill's shining hours what with the > > impeachment and all. > > > > At any rate, I'm certain our ancestors would have been proud of > Bill > > and his behavior. > > > > Thank God Gore didn't receive the most "votes." Think of him > leading > > this country now. > > > > Of course this is not on topic BUT that's not my fault. :-) > > > > One of Thirty Million. > > > > > > --- Dianna Kemp Ewald <dkewald@fuse.net> wrote: > >> True, he was elected. > >> He just didn't receive as many > >> votes as Gore.... > >> > >> Denise wrote: > >> > >>> --- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> "and what applies to the elected President Bush presumably > applies > >> also > >>> to the appointed President Bush" > >>> > >>> > >>> An incorrect statement. Both Bushes were, in every sense of the > >> word, > >>> "elected." Most informed folks are aware of that. > >>> > >>> I thought we were to stick to Mayflower-related information? Why > the > >>> cheap shot? > >>> > >>> Only one of the Thirty Million, > >>> Denise > >>> > >>> P.S. I still love you Harlow. > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >>> http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > >>> Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower > >> Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > >> Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > >> http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower > Descendants at > > http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

PLEASE do not unsubscribe! You MUST know that I was not offended in the least! I can't imagine anyone else was truly OFFENDED. You made a comment, a political comment 'only one Bush was elected' and I responded. Why does that upset you to the point of unsubscribing? If one makes such a cheeky comment shouldn't one be willing to tolerate a response? EGADS! Lighten up. To spare you, I will not comment for a LONG time. If only you PLEASE don't unsubscribe! --- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: > My apologies to Denise and anyone else who may have been troubled by > my > careless comment. > > I am unsubscribing. I hope this thread will end now. > > ***-----Original Message----- > ***From: Denise [mailto:hence@rocketmail.com] > ***Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:10 AM > ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > ***Subject: RE: [MFLR] President Bush > *** > *** > *** > ***--- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: > *** > ***"and what applies to the elected President Bush presumably applies > also > ***to the appointed President Bush" > *** > *** > ***An incorrect statement. Both Bushes were, in every sense of the > word, > ***"elected." Most informed folks are aware of that. > *** > ***I thought we were to stick to Mayflower-related information? Why > the > ***cheap shot? > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Hi all, From: <Scottsfamilytree@aol.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:11 PM > Hi, Who checks Presidents Bush's validity into the Mayflower, as well as his > famous royal ancestors. > I am related to him on the Francis Cooke side. Is there any new information > about Francis Cooke and his wife Hester Mahieu? Or there ancestors? > Have a Merry Xmas. > Scott See: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~addams/presidential/bush.html Also, after the ahnentafel he shows many cousins. These include Howland cousins Bing Crosby and Johnny Carson. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

To paraphrase Bill Clinton "that depends on what the meaning of "vote" is." Of course, that wasn;t one of Bill's shining hours what with the impeachment and all. At any rate, I'm certain our ancestors would have been proud of Bill and his behavior. Thank God Gore didn't receive the most "votes." Think of him leading this country now. Of course this is not on topic BUT that's not my fault. :-) One of Thirty Million. --- Dianna Kemp Ewald <dkewald@fuse.net> wrote: > True, he was elected. > He just didn't receive as many > votes as Gore.... > > Denise wrote: > > >--- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: > > > >"and what applies to the elected President Bush presumably applies > also > >to the appointed President Bush" > > > > > >An incorrect statement. Both Bushes were, in every sense of the > word, > >"elected." Most informed folks are aware of that. > > > >I thought we were to stick to Mayflower-related information? Why the > >cheap shot? > > > >Only one of the Thirty Million, > >Denise > > > >P.S. I still love you Harlow. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > >Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower > Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

True, he was elected. He just didn't receive as many votes as Gore.... Denise wrote: >--- Harlow Chandler <chandler@firstva.com> wrote: > >"and what applies to the elected President Bush presumably applies also >to the appointed President Bush" > > >An incorrect statement. Both Bushes were, in every sense of the word, >"elected." Most informed folks are aware of that. > >I thought we were to stick to Mayflower-related information? Why the >cheap shot? > >Only one of the Thirty Million, >Denise > >P.S. I still love you Harlow. > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > >

President Bush--Three connections to a Mayflower passenger (Howland, Cooke and Samson). Note the Butler line under Cooke: President George W Bush (Howland) George Herbert Walker Bush Prescott Bush Flora Sheldon Mary Butler Elizabeth Pierce Betsy Wheeler Sarah Horton Joanna Wood Jabez Wood Hannah Nelson Hope Huckins Hope Chipman Hope Howland JOHN HOWLAND AND... President George W Bush (Cooke) George HW Bush Flora Sheldon Mary Butler Courtland Butler Samuel Butler Sarah Herrick Silence Kingsley Samuel Kingsley Mary Washburn Elizabeth Mitchell Jane Cooke FRANCIS COOKE AND... President George W Bush (Samson) Barbara Pierce Bush Marvin Pierce Jonas Pierce Chloe Holbrook John Holbrook John Holbrook Zilpha Thayer Mary Samson Stephen Samson HENRY SAMSON Courtesy of: Ed Sherman or Brewster, Cooke and Warren Past Governor, Soc. of Mayflower Descendants in SC <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">General Mayflower Society</A> <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">SC Mayflower</A>

I believe if you look through the Rootsweb homepage index, there is a site of Presidential genealogies via Gary Roberts, done ahnentafel (sp?) style. The site I had saved is also a good one but a little more difficult to maneuver since you have to know the line in order to find what you want: http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/USPresidents/index.htm Karen Flanders Eddy