I need records for the purpose of Mayflower proofs. I need Mass Death Records from Lakevile, Plymouth County, MA (1861)found in the New Bedford Free Library. Roll 148/149 page 324 line 22. and Birth Records from Fall River (1790). Microfic #19 FRVR Book 1 I have the Roll #, pages, lines, etc. but can't find these sources to request the specific page images. Ancestry does not have it nor does NEHGS. Does anyone know if they are on a CD? Or on line somewhere? Thanks! Ginny Core

I'm in the Denver metro area as is Search & ReSearch, so when I've ordered from them I just make a local call and chat with them a bit about what they're working on. The last time I called, they said they're doing a remake of the Plymouth Co. CD that would include Hingham that wasn't on the original version. So it might be good to wait for the newer version. Some other CDs for Plymouth Co. and/or Mayflower passengers: Plymouth Court Records, 1686-1859, NEHGS Pilgrims and Plymouth, Heritage Books The Complete Mayflower Descendant, vols. 1-46, Family Tree Maker Mayflower Descendant Legacy, Search&ReSearch Mayflower Vital Records, Deeds, and Wills, Family Tree Maker (the Susan Roser books) Also I see that NEHGS has been adding many VRs online for members. I think they have completed Arnold's VRs for RI and most recently added Arnold's VRs for Rehoboth. But I don't know if Plymouth is in their plans for future additions. Each of these CDs has its strengths and weaknesses but, depending on your interests, all are useful. Jim Bullock Littleton, CO -----Original Message----- From: Dale H Cook [mailto:radiotest@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 4:50 AM To: GenMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GM-L] Search & ReSearch Plymouth VRs CD Do any of you own the Search & ReSearch CD-ROM "Early Vital Records of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to about 1850" for Plymouth County? I'm considering buying it and would like to know if it contains the complete text of the NEHGS VRs volumes for the towns of the county. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html ==== GenMassachusetts Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/us/index.html

Hello Listers, I have just subscribed to this list and am wondering if anyone is researching my husbands line: Richard Warren, Ann Warren, Ephriam Little, John Little, Constance Little, Elizabeth Frances Spinning, Jonathan Watkins, Isaac Watkins, Abigail Marie Watkins, Abel Clark Burlingame, Evalyn Elmyra Burlingame. We just made the connection and are naturally very pleased. Thanks in advance for your replies, Pat Stormo

Do any of you own the Search & ReSearch CD-ROM "Early Vital Records of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to about 1850" for Plymouth County? I'm considering buying it and would like to know if it contains the complete text of the NEHGS VRs volumes for the towns of the county. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/FO.2ADI/133.2.2 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Reliance Snow, descendent of Reuben Snow back to Stephen Hopkins. She married John Blandin in 1817 and am trying to prove that marriage. Jan Griffin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/FO.2ADI/133.2.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Reliance Snow, descendent of Reuben Snow back to Stephen Hopkins. She married John Blandin in 1817 and am trying to prove that marriage. Jan Griffin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/73.86.88 Message Board Post: you have misidentified Hepsibah the wife of Rotheus Mitchell. she was the daughter of josiah hayward and his second wife and according to my research was born 8 aug 1762 in Bridgewater, ma.

Sir, I see in your list of Mayflower people your have the name Doty. I am decended from Doty too. But have a problem wih connecting to the Suttons through Mary Doty. Do you have any information that could help me? Thank You Lois weyandt@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Father John Haldane" <father_john@hotmail.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the listowner > Rather than unsubscribe right now, I ask the Listowner to ban further > garbage such as has filled my in-basket today. If you people want to talk > politics, call names, and play games - go start your own board, please. > This board is for discussions related to the Mayflower, her passengers, and > the General Society of Mayflower descendants. Continued violations should > result in banishment from this board, in my opinion. > > I am appalled at the bad manners so close to Christmas. PLEASE respect the > 600 other people who read this board and are offended by your continued > diatribe. PLEASE stop immediately. > > Thank you. > > Happy Holidays to all > > Father John Haldane > Alden, Mullins, Brewster, Hopkins, Standish, Doty, Samson > > > > > > > >From: TerriC7058@aol.com > >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the listowner > >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:47:22 EST > > > >I would like to unsubscribe from this list. I thought it was a list for > >genealogy research. If I had wanted to join a list on political views I > >would > >have done so > > > > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > >Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at > >http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=747 4&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspampr otection_3mf > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . >

Hello Lois. I am afraid I have done very little with the Doty family. My connection is through Edward's son, Thomas who married Mary Churchill. Their daughter, Hannah Doty (1675-1765), married Jonathan Delano at Duxbury in 1698/99. Their son Amaziah married Ruth Samson (and that is my Samson line). The son of Amaziah and Ruth was Ezekiel Delano who married Martha Chandler in North Yarmouth Maine. And my Delanos stay in Maine, connect to a Smith family and then Gatchell and then Jordan (my mother's maiden name). I have not documented the Doty connection except as it appears in the Samson Silver Book (MF #20) and I have not had that line certified, although it would easily be done since I have already proven well into the first 5 generations. Anyway, that is a long way to say I am sorry that I cannot help you. Good luck with your research! Blessings, Father John >From: "LOIS WEYANDT" <loisweyandt@msn.com> >To: "Father John Haldane" ><father_john@hotmail.com>,<MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the listowner >Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:02:31 -0500 > >Sir, I see in your list of Mayflower people your have the name Doty. I am >decended from Doty too. But have a problem wih connecting to the Suttons >through Mary Doty. Do you have any information that could help me? Thank >You Lois weyandt@msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Marjory wrote: <snip>Also,I understand that there is a memorial plaque >dedicated to Constance Hopkins Snow,another direct >descendent.Would someone tell me where > I might get a photo of this plaque for my scrapbook? _________ Marjory, Haven't seen a response so in case you didn't get one privately, there is a plaque to Constance in the cemetery at Eastham which reads: CONSTANCE HOPKINS SNOW 1605-1677 MAYFLOWER PASSENGER WIFE OF NICHOLAS SNOW, EASTHAM'S FIRST TOWN CLERK 1646-1662 PLACED BY HER DESCENDANTS 1966 _________________ Susan E. Roser www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html

This was sent over one of Roots Web list's - thought it important enough to send it to the Massachusetts lists - PLEASE SPREAD THIS AROUND FAST !! your future research depends on this bill to fail in the MA state Senate !!! those of you in the state of Massachusetts CONTACT YOUR STATE SENATORS NOW !!! Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Sergeant <info@genealogyfair.com> Reply-To: info@genealogyfair.com To: MAMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAMIDDLE] Massachusetts Vital Records Closed with H5158 bill passage! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MASSACHUSETTS HOUSE BILL H5158 - OPEN RECORDS CLOSED! The Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH) initiative to RESTRICT the current and historically OPEN vital records of the Commonwealth with House Bill H5158 HAS PASSED THE MA HOUSE TODAY December 30, 2002! All that remains is the Massachusetts Senate and Exiting Governors rubber stamp & Did YOU have the opportunity to review the text and give your testimony in HEARINGS? NO! Do you even have ACCESS to the H5158 text? NO! Behind closed doors and in the hallways of the legislature, taking advantage of the informal sessions, Lame Duck status and holidays, a handful of people have take away YOUR RIGHTS to YOUR HERITAGE! CONTACT YOUR MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR NOW! Tell them who the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS are in their district who RELY ON OPEN MASSACHUSETTS VITAL RECORDS http://www.state.ma.us/legis/memmenus.htm CONTACT YOUR SENATORS! See http://www.state.ma.us/legis/sendis01.htm for 2001-2002 Just in case this ELEVENTH HOUR tactic actually passes to CLOSE MASSACHUSETTS VITAL RECORDS alert the 2003 legislators about YOUR CONCERNS on this matter! http://www.state.ma.us/legis/repdis03.htm and http://www.state.ma.us/legis/sendis03.htm IF YOUR LEGISLATORS DO NOT RESPOND OR ARE NOT AVAILABLE, CONTACT THE LEGISLATORS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE INFORMAL SESSIONS! O'Brien, Thomas J. Rep.ThomasO'Brien@hou.state.ma.us http://www.state.ma.us/legis/member/tjo1.htm Susan C. Fargo SFargo@senate.state.ma.us http://www.state.ma.us/legis/member/scf0.htm SUMMARY: The Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC) initiative to STOP H5158 from passage at the tail end of the July 2002 formal sessions was successful - thanks to the response of all CONCERNED citizens in the genealogical community. Although the response of many legislators indicated that they had clearly not READ or did not UNDERSTAND the IMPLICATIONS of H5158, they did understand that large numbers of CONSTITUENTS are AGAINST RESTRICTIONS to the PUBLIC GOOD in the form of POORLY DRAFTED legislation that has had NO PUBLIC HEARINGS! However, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health (MDPH) has CONTINUED their efforts! Specifically: December 2002 H5158 language changes have been chosen for the purposes of OTHER BILLS that are not filed yet - Modernization and Fraud Control bills that ALSO have had NO PUBLIC HEARINGS! The MGC continues to be EXCLUDED from the permanent special vital records and statistics committee to oversee the overall improvement including preservation and automation of the vital records and statistics system in the commonwealth. Even though the MDPH has repeatedly said the MGC omission was an oversight, this ERROR PERSISTS in the revisions! NO VERSION of H5158 has been made available to the public via the legislative web site since its FIRST ELEVENTH HOUR introduction in the July formal sessions http://www.state.ma.us/scripts/legis/ltsh.idq?HouseNumber=5158 The most recently reported MDPH H5158 wording changes appear as attempts to clarify the previous problems, but introduce the UNKNOWN impact of the unfiled legislation PROPOSAL DEPENDENCIES! CONTACT YOUR SENATORS! See http://www.state.ma.us/legis/sendis01.htm for 2001-2002 NO CONTROVERSIAL BILL can be passed in informal sessions IF THE CONTROVERSY IS KNOWN! MAKE SURE YOUR SENATOR KNOWS THAT YOU DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING EXCLUDED FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS! YOUR RIGHTS TO RECORDS TO RECORDS ACCESS DESERVE A PUBLIC HEARING! H5158 SHOULD NOT BE PASSED on DECEMBER 31, 2002! Sharon Sergeant Program Director, Massachusetts Genealogical Council http://massgencouncil.home.attbi.com/index.htm ===== Sharon Sergeant Ancestors and Ephemera http://GenealogyFair.com Bring Your Ancestors Home! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

To all of those on the Maylfower List, Listowner and contributors, I appreciate all the information available and want to wish you all Much Success and Happiness in the New Year. Sandi in Ca

You can purchase the Alden book, Part 2, from the Alden Kindred of America, Inc., at the website below. Also, you can find information on your lineage at http://www.alden.org/aldengen/hopestillsnow/hopestillsnowindex.htm. Karen Sullivan Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ --------------------------------- Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow.-- G.M.Trevelyan -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Donovan [mailto:c2bjm58@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:25 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Edson connection to Alden Help: Has anyone proved the following line to John Alden John Alden Joseph Alden Hopestill Alden David Snow Joanna Snow- Book 1 ends here Joel Edson Pliney Edson Seth R Edson Any and all help would be helpfull.. Thanks to all who read our e-mails And does anyone know if book 2 for the Alden family is available.. I live about 20 minutes from Plymouth .. Thanks again Barbara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .

Can anyone tell me how much of the following line has been proved back to the Mayflower John Alden and Priscilla Mullens Ruth Alden Married John Bass Mary Bass Married (2nd marriage) William Copeland William Copeland Married Mary Thayer William Copeland Married Sharh Smith Ebenezer Copeland Married Lucy Fasset Harvey Copeland Married Betsey May Edgar F copeland Married Ellen L (Nellie) Burrington Grace Darling Copeland Married Louis Rice Long Verna Rose Long Married Earl Adam Warriner I married Sharon Finley Thank You in advance. By any chance is there a public list of Surnames with proven connections to the Mayflower? Lee Warriner cwarriner@thehartford.com This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.

To all of the members of this list, Many thanks for the huge quantities of information you all contribute. I have learned ever so much, just lurking. I wish you all a very Happy and Productive New Year, and many many more to come! Margaret Maxham Smith (Working on Alden, Standish, and Maxham/Maxam/Muxom/etc.)

Hi! MFLR List members, I would like to add my Thanks, To Eveyone who's added information to the internet and has been so helpful to the new researcher joining the Mayflower family list this year, :O), You are all Great, Thanks again! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!! Iris Mendell Miller ( Alden, Mullins, Doty, Delano, Clark/Clarke, Warren Mendell, Tarr, Carpenter, Churchill,/ ect ,,,) ( MA., ME., CT., IN., IL., IA., NE., KS.,) Subject: [MFLR] Greetings and Thanks... To all of the members of this list, Many thanks for the huge quantities of information you all contribute. I have learned ever so much, just lurking. I wish you all a very Happy and Productive New Year, and many many more to come! Margaret Maxham Smith (Working on Alden, Standish, and Maxham/Maxam/Muxom/etc.) ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >

Help: Has anyone proved the following line to John Alden John Alden Joseph Alden Hopestill Alden David Snow Joanna Snow- Book 1 ends here Joel Edson Pliney Edson Seth R Edson Any and all help would be helpfull.. Thanks to all who read our e-mails And does anyone know if book 2 for the Alden family is available.. I live about 20 minutes from Plymouth .. Thanks again Barbara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

----- Original Message ----- From: <ChristieTrapp@aol.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:47 AM Subject: [MFLR] Mary Wentworth - William Brewster > In the MFIP for William Brewster it says they have not conclusively proven > the surname for the Mary who married William Brewster; however under the > references it does titilate a researcher with this note which is made on page > 5 as (a) "the name of Mary Wentworth has been proposed for the wife of > William Brewster. Articles published in TAG 41:1-5, 63; MQ 36:55-57, and > HEHGR 124-250-254 confirm that ADDITIONAL RESERACH MUST BE DONE BEFORE > ACCEPTING THIS SURNAME AS FACT. (emphasis added). In addtion, a private > published pamphlet by John G. Hunt, "Of Mary Brewster, Wife of William > Brewster of the Mayflower, from Plymouth, England to New Plymouth, New > England" (1985), suggests that William Brewster's wife was named Mary Wyrall > of Loversall, near Doncaster. THIS HAS YET TO BE PROVED (emphasis added). > > Therefore, if the researcher who has the Mary Wentworth connected to William > Brewster wishes to be accurate, it is highly suggested to remove the > connection to Mary Wentworth as the wife until such time as The Mayflower > Society accepts her as the wife. Which from the MFIP appears to not be the > case at this point. Perhaps Susan Roser, who reads this website, might put > her two cents worth is as to the acceptability of this linegage into the > Mayflower Society. > > Christie Trapp > > ______________________________ Thanks Christie, but I believe the topic has been well covered by Mr. Ward, as well as you and Father John, therefore my "two cents worth" wouldn't add much to the discussion :) Susan E. Roser

In a message dated 12/10/02 10:54:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, T0Leo writes: > ....I believe the STURTEVANT line is reliably traced to George STURTEVANT > (b. ca. 1800) who m. in 1831 (Pembroke) Naomi Stetson SAMSON. They had > sons, Rufus Miles STURTEVANT (the ancestor), George STURTEVANT, Jr. and > Peleg STURTEVANT (all Civil War veterans). They later lived in Hanover, > Mass...... I make reference to my12/10/02 posting on this subject. I have since located the death record of George STURTEVANT, dated 4 April 1865. I found it in Pembroke (where I ought to have looked first! ). It names both of his parents and confirms his birth date as 1809 as I had already suspected from a monument inscription. He was 55 years, 1 month and 20 days old at time of death. His parents are shown as Ichabod STURTEVANTE (sic.), born in Halifax, and Ruth GARDINER, born in Pembroke. In checking the VRs volumes I find that Ichabod was born in December 1771 (Pembroke VRs, p. 198). He married Ruth Gardiner 3 April 1803. A Pembroke tombstone birth record (G.R.-1) reads "Ichabod (h. Ruth)(December --- 1771). In an attempt to determine the next generation back I found another Ichabod STURTEVANT. He is shown in the Plympton VRs as a son of Noah STURTEVANT and Suseanna HARLOW, but his birthdate is not given. Based on interpolation he would probably have been born ca. 1750 as the fourth child of Noah (b. 7 Oct 1717, Plympton VRs, p. 206) and Suseanna whom he married 22 Nov 1744. I thought the list would like to know the status of this research. Though the FULLER and HOWLAND lines are out for now, I am very interested in proving the STURTEVANT line and research continues. Any comments on the recent findings would be most welcome. Len

Silas was my relative.I understand that he was captured by the British during the Rev.War.Can anyone suggest a book that I can get on inter-library loan so that I can read about him?My library has nothing that talks about this incident.Also,I understand that there is a memorial plaque dedicated to Constance Hopkins Snow,another direct descendent.Would someone tell me where I might get a photo of this plaque for my scrapbook? Thank you, Marjory in SC