Hello all, I'm new here, and I apologize if I'm asking a question that I could easily research, but I thought this might be a good place to start and that someone might impart their infinite wisdom on this subject. Also I was wanting to find someone perhaps in the same situation that might want to converse. I have my family tree and am a descendent of Richard Warren. The "problem" comes in here: I was adopted and my original birth record was destroyed. I am, however, listed on my biological family tree. So I'm not quite sure how to go about proving the person listed and I are one and the same. I hope this isn't a stupid question! Many Thanks, Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <lekort@attbi.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > Karen and other Mayflower Mailing List Members: > > Keep right on using the quote, because I don't find it offensive, either. > > We all have our favorite sayings and quotes about genealogy, that we might close an e-mail with or even use as a signature, and I found this researching. I really like this one, because I don't think of my ancestors as "Dead and Gone." I even hesitate to say about any of my ancestors, "They WERE my 10th-great-grandparents," because they STILL ARE my 10th-great-grandparents! > > The Advantage of Being a Genealogist: > > "The advantage of having genealogy as a hobby is illustrated by what a friend once told Mrs. James K. Cockrell, a Society member. He said: "Think what a lovely time you will have in Heaven! When the rest of us die, we will only know the people we have met on earth, but you will have all these hundreds of others to chat with and enough questions to ask them to last 'til Eternity!" > - The National Genealogical Society Quarterly (Probably over a century or two ago) > > This quote always warms my heart and gives me a chuckle! I can just picture myself up there, talking to O'le George Washington JONES and asking him, "Okay, Great-Grandpa, did you do the right thing and divorce Susanah before you married her sister Sarah? If so, please tell me where you got married and where you got divorced from Susanah, okay, Great-Grandpa?" > > Okay, now, back to some research problems, > > Lois E. Kortering > > There are only a handful of documents I need before I can finish filling out the Mayflower application forms, because other family members have proved from Stephen Hopkins through the Elizabeth C. DOAN/ John Burge JONES marriage. I only have to prove from James Allen JONES & Jane FISH forward to myself, but there are a few stumbling blocks, such as my great-grandfather, George Washington JONES, being married to two sisters, Susanah and my great-grandmother, Sarah (WALLING) and having eight children with each sister, a couple of them, even overlapping! Finding a marriage record for Sarah and George has not been successful, so far. Also, getting birth records out of Wisconsin is not easy, because they are not recorded doubly at the state level as they are in Michigan. In Wisconsin it is necessary to know the exact location and county of the birth. > > My Mayflower lineage: > > Stephen HOPKINS/Mary (Unknown maiden name) > Constance HOPKINS/Nicholas SNOW > John SNOW/Mary SMALLEY > Hannah Ruhamah SNOW/Hezekiah DOANE (s/o Ephraim and Mary/Mercy KNOWLES DOANE. Mary SMALLEY married Epraim late in life, so a step-sister, Hannah SNOW, married her step-brother Hezekiah DOANE) > Hezekiah DOANE II/Thankful BICKFORD > Hezekiah DOANE III/Sarah BLAND > Hezekiah DOAN IV/Nancy ALLEN . Elizabeth C. DOAN/John Burge JONES > James Allen JONES/Jane FISH > George Washington JONES/Sarah WALLING > Leota Belle JONES/Orson Mitchel GRIFFES > Orlon Mitchel GRIFFES/Olive Viola McDONALD > Lois Emorene Griffes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Buck" <mrbuck@attbi.com> > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > Yes I agree. IT isn't morbid..its true. We are here only for a short > > time and then we are gone. That is the truth..nothing morbid about it. > > We live and breath on this earth and then we die. Look how many > > centuries the earth has been and then look at how many years a person > > lives on average and it is so short a time. Trace your ancestors back a > > few or many generations and there are still more generations to > > cover--they do vanish one right after another and so will we. It's a > > fact of life. If you find this statement morbid, I wonder what you > > think of life really then. > > > > Michelle > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wilma Fleming Haynes [mailto:gencon@harborside.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:06 AM > > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > > > I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All > > of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was > > their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. > > > > As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and > > found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or > > ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George > > Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part > > of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt > > the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill > > and what did they do when they saw their shadows - > > > > I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our > > ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see > > my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in > > the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things > > into focus doesn't it? > > > > Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my > > ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more > > - > > > > Wilma Fleming Haynes > > gencon@harborside.com > > > > > > "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked > > other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own > > thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation > > vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly > > be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan > > > > Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this > > quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. > > > > Karen Sullivan > > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants > > at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >

Hi Priscilla and all, From: <PPaul888@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:33 PM > I recently viewed a program on TV and I thought I understood them to say that > the Beam of The Mayflower was incorporated into the building of a Home > perhaps in New England. Can any share any information on my question. I am a > descendent of Stephen Hopkins. There is evidently a local legend that parts of the Mayflower were used in a barn in Jordans, England. Perhaps that is what the program mentioned. But that legend is without proof. What happened to the wood of the Mayflower is unknown. The best history of the Mayflower was written by J. W. Horrocks in a series of five articles titled, "The 'Mayflower' ", in vol VIII (1922) of The Mariner's Mirror. (They cover about 40 pages and discuss the Mayflower before and after she carried the pilgrims.) She was apparently scrapped sometime after her return to England. Mr. Horrocks writes (p. 140): "On the 26th of May, 1624, an application was preferred to the High Court of Admiralty, on behalf of Robert Child, John Moore, and the widow of Christopher Jones, described as owners of three fourth parts of the _Mayflower_, for an appraisement of the ship, on the ground that she was 'in ruinis' (H.C.A. Acts, 30/227)." The appraised value was about 128 pounds. However, it is not known what happened to the wood after that. (Also, see: http://members.aol.com/calebj/ship.html ) Mr. Horrocks discusses the barn at Jordans conjecture and in my opinion completely debunks it. At the very least, he shows it is unproven. His conclusion (p. 359) in part states: "Neither the evidence of the barn itself nor that of the documents so far examined and produced nor the combination of these seems to me to warrant a decided verdict on the Jordans case. ... But it is only a vigorous Will to Believe that can regard the case as proven. In point of fact, not one of the necessary connecting links has been established..." It is unfortunate that this well-done article is not more widely known and read. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Yes I agree. IT isn't morbid..its true. We are here only for a short time and then we are gone. That is the truth..nothing morbid about it. We live and breath on this earth and then we die. Look how many centuries the earth has been and then look at how many years a person lives on average and it is so short a time. Trace your ancestors back a few or many generations and there are still more generations to cover--they do vanish one right after another and so will we. It's a fact of life. If you find this statement morbid, I wonder what you think of life really then. Michelle -----Original Message----- From: Wilma Fleming Haynes [mailto:gencon@harborside.com] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:06 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill and what did they do when they saw their shadows - I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things into focus doesn't it? Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. Karen Sullivan Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/

Karen I liked the quote, and copied it, so thanks , and keep them coming. Bridget

Hi everyone. Let's drop the chatter about Karen's quote. The original posting commenting on it was not appropriate and the sender has been asked to keep those types of personal comments off the list. Thanks for keeping the discussions "On topic". Sorry to be cranky, but that's my job. Thanks, everyone! Craig Rich Listowner, Mayflower list crich@macatawa.org http://www.macatawa.org/~crich (ps: I like her sig file too, it reminds me to do as much good while I'm here on earth as, surely, my time will come too. There, 'nuff said!) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003

Karen, I like the saying also. Everytime I see a post from you I stop and read it again. I hope you will not stop using it just because one person doesn't like it. They don't have to read it. That is strictly voluntary. Joyce

Karen, I like this quote too. In fact, the first time I saw it on your postings, I made a note of it. I say keep it! :-) Kendall Mellem ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Sullivan <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: RE: [MFLR] Morbid and depressing-- > Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this > quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. > > Karen Sullivan > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/

I liked it. A great piece of writing. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <ksullivan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [MFLR] Morbid and depressing-- > Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this > quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. > > Karen Sullivan > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brewster210@aol.com [mailto:Brewster210@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:25 PM > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MFLR] Morbid and depressing-- > > > Why in the world this???? How down can you go? > > "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked > other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own > thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one > generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves > shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan > > Ed Sherman of Brewster, Cooke and Warren > Past Governor, Soc. of Mayflower Descendants in SC > <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">General Mayflower Society</A> > <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">SC Mayflower</A> > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > >

Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. Karen Sullivan Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Brewster210@aol.com [mailto:Brewster210@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 8:25 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Morbid and depressing-- Why in the world this???? How down can you go? "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan Ed Sherman of Brewster, Cooke and Warren Past Governor, Soc. of Mayflower Descendants in SC <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">General Mayflower Society</A> <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">SC Mayflower</A> ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .

Why in the world this???? How down can you go? "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan Ed Sherman of Brewster, Cooke and Warren Past Governor, Soc. of Mayflower Descendants in SC <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">General Mayflower Society</A> <A HREF="http://www.mayflower.org/">SC Mayflower</A>

I was doing some research for the Alden Kindred of America and found Peleg Wadworth's silhouette at the Maine History Center's website -- lots of other neat stuff too. Karen Sullivan Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ --------------------------------- Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow.-- G.M.Trevelyan

We have a Mayflower Society member who has discovered he is a descendant of John Robinson, Leiden minister of the Pilgrims. He was wondering if there has been any organization of the John Robinson descendants? Or is there any interest in this? Ruth Tucker Iowa

Just found an updated article on the subject, here's the link: <A HREF="http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=99746&command=displayContent&sourceNode=98877&contentPK=3784802">http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=99746& command=displayContent&sourceNode=98877&contentPK=3784802</A> ~Anna CelestialProse@aol.com wrote: > Subj: [MFLR] "Mayflower TV Project Under Way" > Date: 1/26/2003 11:41:34 PM Pacific Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:CelestialProse@aol.com">CelestialProse@aol.com</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com">MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Has anyone heard about this? > > "City and business leaders will fly to the United States this week to > discuss > plans for a major televised project to build a full-sized replica of the > historic Mayflower ship..." > > The full article is online at: > <A HREF="http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=99746&command=displayContent&sourceNode=98877&contentPK=3644668">http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=99746& > command=displayContent&sourceNode=98877&contentPK=3644668</A> > > ~Anna >

Has anyone heard about this? "City and business leaders will fly to the United States this week to discuss plans for a major televised project to build a full-sized replica of the historic Mayflower ship..." The full article is online at: <A HREF="http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=99746&command=displayContent&sourceNode=98877&contentPK=3644668">http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=99746& command=displayContent&sourceNode=98877&contentPK=3644668</A> ~Anna

Silver Book, Volume 18, Part 2, 5th Generation of Mary, Anna and Elizabeth only: p. 103, Family #401 Mary Tilden5 (Stephen4, Hannah Little3, Anna2 Warren, Richard1) b. Scituate 3 Oct. 1698. She m. (1) Lebanon CT 12 Jan 1718 Rowland Powell, b. ca 1688; d. bef.. 24 June 1735; son of Rowland and Elizabeth (_____) Powell. She m. (2) Lebanon CT 24 June 1735 David Lee, b. Northampton 5 Sept. 1695; son of DAvid and Lidia (Strong) Lee. No PR for David or Mary Lee in CT State Library. No CT PR for Rowland Powell at CT State Library. Child (POWELL) b. Lebanon, CT: i Rowland6 b. 9 June 1730/1 Child (LEE) b. Lebanon, CT ii. David b. 11 Jan. 1739 ============================================================= God grant me the serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the courage to change the one I can, and the wisdom to know it's me!!

I would be very interested in knowing what Volume 18 (Parts 1 & 2 ?) of the Warren silver book lists for my line, if anyone has access to this information. My line is as follows: 1) Richard Warren 2) Anna Warren (+ Thomas Little, b. abt. 1609) 3) Hannah Little, b. abt. 1638 (+ Stephen Tilden, b. abt. 1627) 4) Stephen Tilden, b. abt. 1662, Plymouth (+ Mary Powell, b. abt. 1660) 5) Mary Ann Tilden, b. abt. 1698 (+ Rowland Powell the 3rd, b. abt. 1690) 6) Rowland Powell IV, b. abt. 1730 (+ Mary Ann Richardson, b. abt. 1728) 7) Calvin Powell the 1st, b. abt. 1764 (+ Speedy [Spedia] Davis, b. abt. 1771) 8) Calvin Powell the 2nd, b. abt. 1792 (+ Clarissa Richardson, b. abt. 1795) 9) *Clarissa Powell, b. 1819, N.Y. (+ *Edward PORTER, b. 1813, PA ) .....*[MY GGG GRANDPARENTS] (NOTE: I hope I haven't made too many errors in quickly re-typing this info.) ... I sincerely thank you... Cathy PORTER-Maynard (along the Mighty MISSISSIPPI RIVER, in Minnesota) <>< P.S. Does anyone share some of this line?

<< Message Board Post: I am descended from Stephen Hopkins and Elizabeth Fisher through their daughter (#5) Damaris Hopkins who married Jacob Cooke.  You can email me at mswartley1@excite.com or megs_222000@yahoo.com Thank You,  Meagan >> Meagan... I'm also descended from the same line, but am not a member of the Mayflower Society. I believe the rest of my line goes as follows: Ruth Cooke m. Helkiah or Elkiah Tinkham Jacob Tinkham m. Hannah Cobb Jacob Tinkham (II) m. Lydia (Donham) Dunham Hannah Tinkham m. William Curtis James Curtis m. Jerusha Crooker Stoddard Curtis (1802) m. Priscilla (Prisilla) Chapman Adoniram Curtis, m. Susan Priscilla Fowles Clara Priscilla Curtis m. Amariah C. Erskine Edith Ella Erskine m. Fred Herbert Reed (my grandfather) There were a ton of intermarriages in some of these families, but I believe the above is correct. Would appreciate any comments. Carol Reed Kennedy

From Vol 2, Richard WARREN silver book Deborah BOOMER b. 24 June 1721 Freetown, MA m. 15 Mar 1721/22 Freetown, MA, Elisha MASON b. 11 Jan 1698/9 Swansea, MA, d. 26 Jul 1760 Swansea, MA s/o Pelatiah & Hepzibah (Brooks) Mason ch b. at Swansea: Elihu 27 Nov 1722 James 17 Jan 1724 Hannah 24 Sep 1727 Elisha 7 Jan 1729 Hepsibeth 14 Sep 1732 Joshua 8 Feb 1736 Barnabas 19 aug 1737 Deborah 9 Jul 1739 Joan 81 degrees in Oxnard, CA On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 08:49 AM, The James Family wrote: > I would be interested in what vol 2 of the Warren silver book says on > Deborah Boomer and Elisha Mason if any one here has it? I've seen vol > 2 but > If I remember correctly it stops at Hannah Church with the rest > supposed to > be in Vol2 (Richard warren had ALOT of children who had children *G*) > > Here is the line : > > Richard Warren m Elizabeth > Elizabeth Warren m Richard Church > Caleb Church m Joanna Sprague > Hannah Church m Matthew Boomer > Deborah Boomer m Elisha Mason > Elihu Mason m Lois Ingalls > > Thanks in Advance :-) > > D James in still very cold NH > ~Genealogy: Chasing your own tale~

I am in the Mayflower Society through the Alden/Mullins family. In my family tree I have an Elizabeth Warren who married a Richard Church in 1636. At one time I thought I had her tied to Richard Warren but someone dissuaded me. That was many years ago. Can someone look in the book and see if Elizabeth is listed? She died in 1670, I believe. Thanks Freeman Mendell

Elizabeth WARREN (d/o Richard) b. prob England ca 1616; d. Hingham 9 March 1669/70. Married in Plymouth bef. 14 Mar 1635 Richard CHURCH b. England 1608; died Dedham 27 Dec 1668 Joan in CA On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 06:54 AM, F. Mendell wrote: > > I have an Elizabeth Warren who married a Richard Church in 1636. At > one > time I thought I had her tied to Richard Warren but someone dissuaded > me. That > was many years ago. Can someone look in the book and see if Elizabeth > is > listed? She died in 1670, I believe. > > Thanks > Freeman Mendell > ~FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records~