I forgt to mention that the father I have listed is Josias Cooke, born 1610 in England.

I have always been at a loss to figure this out, and I haven't really gotten to it, so I apologize if this is a terribly stupid question. In my lineage, I have one Josiah Cooke, that was born 1645 in Plymouth, MA, wed to Deborah Hopkins (whom I have no information about). Is this person related to Francis Cooke, and if so, how? Please help. I look forward to hearing from everyone, and againI apologize if this is a terribly dumb question. Nicole R

Thanks to the Genferret, Cathy Boyle, and others for posts explaining the importance of the Geneva Bible to the Separatists. May I ask, please, what is a "KJV" search? And "Never Before in History" sounds like a book one should read. Is it? Author's name, please? With thanks from insatiably curious Mignon Cameron ----------------------------------------------- In a message dated 2/22/03 4:57:48 PM, cboyle@ViaFamily.com writes: << Cathy wrote: P.S. In a KJV search using the keyword of "Abijah," it appears that in both Chronicles & Kings, the name Abijah was used for BOTH genders. What do you think? Hmm.. <scurrying off to find some sources> In the KJV, Abiah was 3 times a male and once a female. In the KJV, Abijah has 20 references, most of which refer to King David's son Abijah. King Hezekiah's mom's name was Abijah. (2 Chronicles 29:1). She was the only female listed as Abijah. As to naming practices, I found this.... In Never Before in History, the authors devote a whole chapter to New England nomenclature. On page 103, we read:" Of the first generation settlers in Plymouth, the majority of whom were born prior to 1600, 41 percent had traditional Norman or Anglo-Saxon names like William and Katherine? In contrast, in the second generation only 10 percent had such names...."In the first generation, only three individuals, or about 4 percent, had descriptive names: Humility, Desire, and Faith. Of the children, fifteen had such names, or about 17 percent of the second generation." The author attributes such a shift to the following; "Two factor's lead to an increase in biblical naming: a readily available translation of the Bible into English and the rise of Puritanism with its emphasis on the Bible. IN 1650 the Geneva Bible was printed. This was the first English Bible widely available to the common people. At the same time, Puritanism became a significant force in England." I believe another lister has already alluded to the importance of the Geneva Bible, but <hiding face in shame> I can't remember who it was who said it. The authors also mention that the English Puritan leader Thomas Cartwright, in 1565, gave guidelines for how Puritans should name their children. "They which present unto baptism ought to be persuaded not to give those that are baptized the names of God or Christ.nor such as savour of paganism..but chiefly such whereof there are examples in the Holy Scriptures, in the names of those who are reported in them to have been godly and virtuous." The author's source is Thomas Cartwright, Perkins and Cartwright, Keith Sprunger, ed. (Wichita, Kansas, Bethel Press, 1982), 20. IHG, Cathy B.

Hello Last time I was OSL (Oregon State Library) I saw that they had some of the silver lineage books. However, I was on a mission, and didn't have enough time to check them out. I did notice that we don't seem to have all of them. Is there an index volume? I am especially interested in Hopkins, but I would like to look at some of the others, also. Thanks Sue

--- MABCam@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to the Genferret, Cathy Boyle, and others for > posts explaining the > importance of the Geneva Bible to the Separatists. > May I ask, please, what is > a "KJV" search? There are many websites where one can do word searches in texts of the Bible. One for the King James Version is here: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html There are many others--a Google search should turn up many--and others will search other versions, provide commentaries, cross references and so on. These are intended to aid in Bible study, of course. > > And "Never Before in History" sounds like a book one > should read. Is it? > Author's name, please? Courtesy of the Library of Congress (www.loc.gov) and the American taxpayer: Brief Description: Amos, Gary T. Never before in history : America's inspired birth / by Gary Amos and Richard Gardiner ; William Dembski, academic editor. Dallas, Tex. : Haughton Pub. Co., c1998. ix, 213 p. : ill. (some col.), map ; 24 cm. CALL NUMBER: E188 .A54 1998 It has been said by people who are paid to know these things that the early Plymouth colonists also tended to use biblical names which corresponded to the social status of the family--for instance, names of biblical kings would not be used by people of lower social status. Names were said to have been chosen for the moral qualities asociated with the biblical figure--humilty, devotion, faith, etc., the more "modest" sorts of qualities one would expect to be valued in Plymouth Colony. Of course previous use in the family tended to be of greatest importance, but when the biblical names were first being used these other factors seem to have had weight. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Cathy wrote: P.S. In a KJV search using the keyword of "Abijah," it appears that in both Chronicles & Kings, the name Abijah was used for BOTH genders. What do you think? Hmm.. <scurrying off to find some sources> In the KJV, Abiah was 3 times a male and once a female. In the KJV, Abijah has 20 references, most of which refer to King David's son Abijah. King Hezekiah's mom's name was Abijah. (2 Chronicles 29:1). She was the only female listed as Abijah. As to naming practices, I found this.... In Never Before in History, the authors devote a whole chapter to New England nomenclature. On page 103, we read:" Of the first generation settlers in Plymouth, the majority of whom were born prior to 1600, 41 percent had traditional Norman or Anglo-Saxon names like William and Katherine? In contrast, in the second generation only 10 percent had such names...."In the first generation, only three individuals, or about 4 percent, had descriptive names: Humility, Desire, and Faith. Of the children, fifteen had such names, or about 17 percent of the second generation." The author attributes such a shift to the following; "Two factor's lead to an increase in biblical naming: a readily available translation of the Bible into English and the rise of Puritanism with its emphasis on the Bible. IN 1650 the Geneva Bible was printed. This was the first English Bible widely available to the common people. At the same time, Puritanism became a significant force in England." I believe another lister has already alluded to the importance of the Geneva Bible, but <hiding face in shame> I can't remember who it was who said it. The authors also mention that the English Puritan leader Thomas Cartwright, in 1565, gave guidelines for how Puritans should name their children. "They which present unto baptism ought to be persuaded not to give those that are baptized the names of God or Christ.nor such as savour of paganism..but chiefly such whereof there are examples in the Holy Scriptures, in the names of those who are reported in them to have been godly and virtuous." The author's source is Thomas Cartwright, Perkins and Cartwright, Keith Sprunger, ed. (Wichita, Kansas, Bethel Press, 1982), 20. IHG, Cathy B.

Hi Sheryl, Information you need is in the Richard Warren "Silver Book" - "Mayflower Families through Five Generations" V18 Part 2 pg 30. Has George's parents/Mayflower line, but only goes to his birth.(6th gen,) Pertinent excerpts: SARAH BUMPAS 5 (Hannah Morey 4, Mary Bartlett 3, Mary 2 Warren, Richard 1) b. Rochester 12 May 1701, d. Sharon, CT. She m. Rochester 17 Oct.1728 George White, d. Sharon, CT. in 1788. (next 3 paragraphs not included - historical info) Children (White) b. Rochester: i John 6 b. 17 June 1729 ii Mary b. 4 April 1731 iii Archulius b. 17 March 1732 iv George bp. 9 Oct 1737 v Eleanor (named in will) References: VR Rochester, TAG 43:155, Wareham First Ch p.18 (dism), Plymouth Co. LR 39:57; 53:166 (George White), Sharon CT PR 7:75-6 (George White) Try the Wareham, MA GenCom on-line volunteer to see if they have records of George 6's children. I'll send URL separate email. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <jnsw@hotmail.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: February 21, 2003 5:30 pm Subject: [MFLR] Sarah Bumpas & George White | This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. | | Classification: Query | | Message Board URL: | | http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/203 | | Message Board Post: | | Does anyone have any information on their (individuals above)son, George White? I have seen some information on the son, George, marrying a Patience and having son Nathaniel; but was wanting some direction on where to obtain proof of this as the books I found on them do not go this far. | Line goes: | 1. Richard Warren m. Elizabeth | 2. Mary Warren m. Robert Bartlett | 3. Mary Bartlett m. Jonathan Morey/Mowry | 4. Hannah Morey m. John Bumpas | 5. Sarah Bumpas m. George White | | I am also wondering if anyone has any further information on the parents of George White married to Sarah Bumpas? | | My husband's line is White and family story goes that they had their information traced to the Mayflower (White side) but the lady that had the information had a house fire and the information was lost in the fire. Does that sound familiar to anyone in the White family as I am sure others probably knew about this information?. | | Thanks, | Sheryl | | | ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== | Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ |

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/204.1 Message Board Post: You wrote: "In the Plymouth County Probate records at 20:372, Seth Sampson's will is recorded, according to the NEHGS Register of January 1987 (Vol. CXLI), page 207. Does anyone know if these records are on-line? Short of writing to the probate office there (I'm assuming that's a possibility) are there any other methods of procuring this will or its transcription?" Hi Steve, Putting the probate records of Plymouth County online would be an enormous undertaking, wouldn't it? Who would pay for that and why? That's a real question--I don't know the facts myself. But the probate records are on microfilm--many, many reels of microfilm--and can be rented for a nominal fee through a local Family History Center. Look them up here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sampson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/204 Message Board Post: In the Plymouth County Probate records at 20:372, Seth Sampson's will is recorded, according to the NEHGS Register of January 1987 (Vol. CXLI), page 207. Does anyone know if these records are on-line? Short of writing to the probate office there (I'm assuming that's a possibility) are there any other methods of procuring this will or its transcription? I have access to genealogy.com, ancestry.com, NEHGS data, HeritageQuest, ... but have yet to find Plymouth Probate records .... just some here and there for a specific purpose in an article. Any advice is most welcome. Thanks for any assistance. Steve Ferriss in Storrs, Connecticut

In a message dated 2/21/03 5:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jnsw@Hotmail.com writes: << 1. Richard Warren m. Elizabeth 2. Mary Warren m. Robert Bartlett 3. Mary Bartlett m. Jonathan Morey/Mowry 4. Hannah Morey m. John Bumpas 5. Sarah Bumpas m. George White >> Sheryl ~ The "Silver Book" Richard Warren, Vol. 18, part 1, goes up to the birth of Sarah Bumpas, and Vol. 18, part 2. says: m. Rochester 17 Oct. 1728, George White, d. Sharon CT in 1788. child #4. is George bp. 9 Oct. 1737 The will of George White of Sharon dated 20 June 1787, codicil dated Feb. 1788, proved 1788, names heirs of eldest son John White dec.;son Archelus; son George White; daughters Mary Goodrich and Eleanor Strong. Hope this helps, Dianne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/203 Message Board Post: Does anyone have any information on their (individuals above)son, George White? I have seen some information on the son, George, marrying a Patience and having son Nathaniel; but was wanting some direction on where to obtain proof of this as the books I found on them do not go this far. Line goes: 1. Richard Warren m. Elizabeth 2. Mary Warren m. Robert Bartlett 3. Mary Bartlett m. Jonathan Morey/Mowry 4. Hannah Morey m. John Bumpas 5. Sarah Bumpas m. George White I am also wondering if anyone has any further information on the parents of George White married to Sarah Bumpas? My husband's line is White and family story goes that they had their information traced to the Mayflower (White side) but the lady that had the information had a house fire and the information was lost in the fire. Does that sound familiar to anyone in the White family as I am sure others probably knew about this information?. Thanks, Sheryl

To: ...Cathy Boyle From: Cathy PORTER-Maynard (In Minnesota)... Subject: Strong's Greek / Hebrew dictionaries -- keyed for the King James translation of the Bible Greetings, Cathy B.: Thank you! The information that you posted regarding the name(s) Abiah/Abijah makes such good sense. And, the excerpt from the Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries was simply beautiful: "father (that is worshipper) of Jah." I think that you have found the answer to the "Abiah" quandary (and, perhaps similar questions regarding ancestral names that certainly "sound" Biblical -- but may have slightly different and/or unorthodox spelling(s). If you hadn't checked your Strong's Greek & Hebrew dictionaries (keyed for the KJV), the connection wouldn't have surfaced. My search using only the NIV did not produce the Abijah link. You, sister, are a Godsend! Peace & blessings, Cathy PORTER-Maynard <>< P.S. In a KJV search using the keyword of "Abijah," it appears that in both Chronicles & Kings, the name Abijah was used for BOTH genders. What do you think? ====================================================== Your In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:50:53 AM Central Standard Time, cboyle@ViaFamily.com writes: > Subj:RE: [MFLR] The name Abiah > Date:2/21/2003 11:50:53 AM Central Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:cboyle@ViaFamily.com">cboyle@ViaFamily.com</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com">MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > One more thing to add to Kathy's post about Bible references to Abiah. > This is from Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries: > > H29 Abiah - From H1 and H3050; father (that is worshipper) of Jah; > Abijah, the name of several Israelite men and two Israelitesses:-Abiah, > Abijah. > > Strong's is keyed to the KJV. > > So, the spelling could be either Abiah or Abijah or any other variant > since there was no consistent standard for spelling rules in the 1600's. > > > IHG, > Cathy B. > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ====

One more thing to add to Kathy's post about Bible references to Abiah. This is from Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries: H29 Abiah - From H1 and H3050; father (that is worshipper) of Jah; Abijah, the name of several Israelite men and two Israelitesses:-Abiah, Abijah. Strong's is keyed to the KJV. So, the spelling could be either Abiah or Abijah or any other variant since there was no consistent standard for spelling rules in the 1600's. IHG, Cathy B.

--- MayTHREE@aol.com wrote: > From: Cathy PORTER-Maynard (In Minnesota)... > > > WHICH TRANSLATION TO USE? > > Different translations of the Bible are largely a > matter of personal > preference. Be of good cheer humans, your prissy pedagogic pal has recovered from the morning's humiliation and has crept back out into the light. Cathy, thank you for the excellent resource. The choice of Bible translations probably doesn't matter much when one is checking a name, and this is a great place to do that, but it might also be interesting to go to the bible which your ancestors might have used. It was the Geneva Bible which was the favorite of the English Puritans, and the King James version, which was initiated because James despised the Calvinist Geneva translation with what he considered seditious marginal notes, was not even published when the Scrooby congregation left England for Leiden (pub. 1611). Some might argue that it was the Geneva Bible that brought about the migrations of our Plymouth ancestors to the new world. These people would probably be obsessive academics who need to get a life, but still the Geneva Bible, with its marginal notes, was pretty important. The text is online here http://www.reformedreader.org/gbn/en.htm There may be better sites, and there are many essays online relating to the history and impact of this first English translation of the Bible. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

From: Cathy PORTER-Maynard (In Minnesota)... SUBJECT: The "genesis" of some ancestral names Greetings: For research of ancestral names, etc., a variety of the internet resources are very accessible, and convenient. In researching very old names (that may have Biblical origins) you might find the attached URL for "Bible Gateway" helpful. This website provides a search engine which allows you to *easily* search through MULTIPLE TRANSLATIONS of the Bible by simply typing in a specific keyword, or phrase. This site also contains an "audio" option, which enables you to actually LISTEN to the passage or verse -- which gives us an opportunity to "hear" the pronunciation of these old Biblical names! (SEE: links, attached below). WHICH TRANSLATION TO USE? Different translations of the Bible are largely a matter of personal preference. My sisters and I are probably "typical" laypeople; however, even though we learned the same verses in Sunday school as children, our preferences in Bible translations now differ a bit as adults. We grew up with the King James Version (KJV) -- so, it was most familiar to us. One sister continues to prefer the King James, because she appreciates and loves the old-style language. I, on the other hand, often use the New International Version (NIV) -- simply because it's "user friendly," and is easily deciphered. However, other translations may serve you just as well. A wide variety are easily accessible via the "Bible Gateway" website. Fewer translations are available via the audio option. HARDCOPY RESOURCE: "The Layman's Parallel Bible" is a handy research resource, because it contains four different translations in one large volume ( ! ) -- which makes comparing text very simple. Each page contains the different Bible translations from: 1) The King James Version; 2) The New International Version; 3) The Living Bible; and, 4) The Revised Standard Version. INTERNET RESOURCES: 1) BIBLE GATEWAY: The "Bible Gateway" website (which is not affiliated with a specific church or denomination) allows one to search various translations online by simply typing in keywords. For example, a search using the keyword/name of "Abiah" revealed three possible variations of this name in 1 Chronicles: 1) Nedabiah 2) Hashabiah 3) Rehabiah I did not read the actual verses to determine which of the variations were for males, or females. However, anyone who is interested in attempting to determine the gender of a mysterious ancestor could pursue this further. It could be that "Abiah" is a shortened version of one or more of the above Biblical names; or, possibly a nickname taken from one of the above "gender-specific" names. A bit more research could probably produce more answers. Peace & blessings, Cathy PORTER-Maynard <>< P.S. Another potential resource: *WOODLAND HILLS CHURCH -- online worship services: IF MEMORY SERVES ME (and, it may not!), it seems like the pastor of our church -- who is a well-known author & international speaker, uses the New Revised Standard Version. I'll also enclose website/links for Dr. Gregory A. Boyd's sermons via our Woodland Hills Church* website -- which is a "traditional" GBC church [General Baptist Conference], if anyone is interested in listening to some of the sermons regarding the ACTUAL PEOPLE whose names are referenced within the Bible. It's a fascinating way to learn about the lives of the Biblical folks that some of our ancestors were named after. After reading the book of Job, I can understand why few pioneer parents gave their sons this name! On the other hand, King David was an inspiration to many -- and countless baby boys were named accordingly. Esther was a woman of great strength; a born leader. And, our ancestors bestowed many newborn daughters with awesome name. _______________ LINKS: 1) <A HREF="http://bible.gospelcom.net/">Bible Gateway</A>: Type (or, copy & paste): http://bible.gospelcom.net/ 2) <A HREF="http://bible.gospelcom.net/bgaudio">Bible Gateway -- *Audio* Bibles</A> http://bible.gospelcom.net/bgaudio ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Assorted links for: Dr. Gregory A. Boyd, Woodland Hills Church, St. Paul, Minnesota: 3) <A HREF="http://www.whchurch.org/whc/">Woodland Hills Church - Site Home Page</A>: Type (or, copy & paste): http://www.whchurch.org/whc/ 4) <A HREF="http://www.whchurch.org/whc/index.asp?PageID=296">Woodland Hills Church - "Listen to Sermons" </A> Type (or, copy & paste): http://www.whchurch.org/whc/index.asp?PageID=296 5)<A HREF="http://gregboyd.org/gbfront/index.asp?PageID=280"> Christus Victor Ministries - Greg Boyd Biographical Info</A> Type (or, copy & paste): http://gregboyd.org/gbfront/index.asp?PageID=280 [end] ==================================================== Re: Heseram, etc. Subj: Re: [MFLR] The name Abiah Date: 2/20/2003 6:56:45 AM Central Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:genferret1@yahoo.com">genferret1@yahoo.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com">MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) -- snip snip -- ["Heseram"] sounds biblical, but the Genferret can find no instance of this word in the King James Bible. -- snip snip -- =========================================== --- Lois <lekort@attbi.com> wrote: > Since I just finished pleading my case with some new > cousins, what about the name "Heseram?" Some of us > have Bible pages, written by the mother of the eight > children (Not WEBB family). Two people have > "Eseram" as a male, but it is very clear to me that > the name is very clearly "Esterann," sort of like, > "Esther Ann." > > Lois ===================================== Subj: RE: [MFLR] The name Abiah Date: 2/19/2003 8:10:28 PM Central Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:jbbullock@earthlink.net">jbbullock@earthlink.net</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com">MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) Various names such as Comfort and Content have been used for children of both sexes, but one name I never expected to see cross the gender line was Ebenezer. Believe it or not, there was a female named Ebenezer. She was clearly listed as the daughter of Thomas & Mary Nichols, b. 3 Aug 1664 in Salisbury, Essex, MA. To further confirm her sex, the records also show she was married to a male, Benoni Tucker, and their children's surnames were all Tucker. [All records found in the Salisbury VRs.] Sorry, if there is a Mayflower connection, I don't know it. Jim Bullock Littleton, CO

Oh, you sweet little weasel! I just noticed that I mistyped, also! In thinking about the name "Esther Ann," too much, I mistyped my entire message. It should have been: "Since I just finished pleading my case with some new cousins, what about the name "Heseram?" Some of us have Bible pages, written by the mother of the eight children (Not WEBB family). Two people have (Heseram) as a male, but it is very clear to me that the name is very clearly (Hesterann), a sort of old- fashioned verbal version of (Esther Ann). I left the "H" out, and I think that is the BIG clue. It has to do with how people pronounced the names of their own kids back when they were not sure how to spell them. This mother, however, had beautiful handwriting, actual English Script, because her small "E" was always a capital cursive "E" and unless one enlarges the page, it can be mistaken for another letter. I love your slant on things, Genferret! Your humour (Old English spelling!) is good for the soul! Lois Griffes Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: "genferret1" <genferret1@yahoo.com> To: "Lois" <lekort@attbi.com>; <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] The name Abiah > The Genferret mistyped: > > "turns up not one instance of the name > Heserman or Eserman" > > The Genferret is drifting gently into dotage. The > search was done correctly for Heseram and eseram. The > Genferret, overcome with chagrin, will now hide under > a blanket. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/

The Genferret mistyped: "turns up not one instance of the name Heserman or Eserman" The Genferret is drifting gently into dotage. The search was done correctly for Heseram and eseram. The Genferret, overcome with chagrin, will now hide under a blanket. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

--- Lois <lekort@attbi.com> wrote: > Since I just finished pleading my case with some new > cousins, what about the name "Heseram?" Some of us > have Bible pages, written by the mother of the eight > children (Not WEBB family). Two people have > "Eseram" as a male, but it is very clear to me that > the name is very clearly "Esterann," sort of like, > "Esther Ann." > > Lois The Genferret sides with you, Lois. An unscientific Google search turns up not one instance of the name Heserman or Eserman, but page after page of Hesteranns (seemingly most often from the 1800s) and a bunch of Esteranns, and the Genferret is a timid, cowering creature who seeks safety in numbers. "Heserman" sounds biblical, but the Genferret can find no instance of this word in the King James Bible. The Genferret respectfully suggests that you return to the place you acquired these new cousins and exchange them. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Since I just finished pleading my case with some new cousins, what about the name "Heseram?" Some of us have Bible pages, written by the mother of the eight children (Not WEBB family). Two people have "Eseram" as a male, but it is very clear to me that the name is very clearly "Esterann," sort of like, "Esther Ann." Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bullock" <jbbullock@earthlink.net> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: RE: [MFLR] The name Abiah > Various names such as Comfort and Content have been used for children of > both sexes, but one name I never expected to see cross the gender line was > Ebenezer. Believe it or not, there was a female named Ebenezer. She was > clearly listed as the daughter of Thomas & Mary Nichols, b. 3 Aug 1664 in > Salisbury, Essex, MA. To further confirm her sex, the records also show she > was married to a male, Benoni Tucker, and their children's surnames were all > Tucker. [All records found in the Salisbury VRs.] > > Sorry, if there is a Mayflower connection, I don't know it. > > Jim Bullock > Littleton, CO > > -----Original Message----- > From: genferret1 [mailto:genferret1@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:47 PM > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MFLR] The name Abiah > > > The Genferret, has done a quick and dirty survey of > the Plymouth Co. VR CD from S & R and has found > instances where the gender of an Abiah is clear to be > about in the ratio of 7 male to 31 female. The > Genferret admits to not being scrupulous about keeping > count or of being absolutely certain there were not > duplications or omissions. In fact the Genferret can > pretty well guarantee there were as this was very > quick and very dirty. > > In an earlier message the Genferret mentioned that > there is Biblical precedence for the use of Abiah for > either sex. Clearly it was freely used for boys and > girls by the people of Plymouth County. The > Genferret, who is so often bemused at the ways of > humans, has no idea why. > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > >

Various names such as Comfort and Content have been used for children of both sexes, but one name I never expected to see cross the gender line was Ebenezer. Believe it or not, there was a female named Ebenezer. She was clearly listed as the daughter of Thomas & Mary Nichols, b. 3 Aug 1664 in Salisbury, Essex, MA. To further confirm her sex, the records also show she was married to a male, Benoni Tucker, and their children's surnames were all Tucker. [All records found in the Salisbury VRs.] Sorry, if there is a Mayflower connection, I don't know it. Jim Bullock Littleton, CO -----Original Message----- From: genferret1 [mailto:genferret1@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:47 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] The name Abiah The Genferret, has done a quick and dirty survey of the Plymouth Co. VR CD from S & R and has found instances where the gender of an Abiah is clear to be about in the ratio of 7 male to 31 female. The Genferret admits to not being scrupulous about keeping count or of being absolutely certain there were not duplications or omissions. In fact the Genferret can pretty well guarantee there were as this was very quick and very dirty. In an earlier message the Genferret mentioned that there is Biblical precedence for the use of Abiah for either sex. Clearly it was freely used for boys and girls by the people of Plymouth County. The Genferret, who is so often bemused at the ways of humans, has no idea why.