Judy, Your facts thus far are: 1. Mehitable Adams, dau of Samuel & Sarah, b. 1771/2 2. Mehitable Jones d. 1812 ae 41, thus born ca1771 3. Miles Jones had wife Mehitable as per adm. 4. Mehitable & Miles Jones buried next to the Adamses. There is really no evidence in the facts above that you can present to prove Mehitable Jones' identity and parentage because it's just not there. And since Mehitable is the line carrier (correct?), proving she is the same Mehitable who was married to Miles is imperative. Have you tried a will or division of estate for Samuel Adams which would name his children? If he died after Mehitable married (or his estate was settled after her marriage) then her married name might be mentioned. Or perhaps a deed whereby her father gave her and her husband land when they were married? If those types of records cannot be located, how about an Adams or Jones published genealogy or a town history in which the wife of Miles Jones is identified? If all else fails, try sending a synopsis of your line to Plymouth to see if anyone else has joined based on the same line. Perhaps someone else has found this proof of her identity already. If a well documented, previously approved paper is found you will be sent a copy and will be able to cite the sources from that paper up to the point where your lines branch off. (A synopsis form can be printed out at www.mayflower.org - send it along with $10 to GSMD, P.O.Box 3297, Plymouth, MA 02361.) Best of luck, Susan E. Roser Governor & Historian Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <Weacon1@aol.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: [MFLR] GSMD Question > I am looking for opinions on how I should present "my case" to the GSMD. I have one link that is being questioned because I am missing a document that clearly identifies Mehitable Adams as being the same wife of Miles Jones. (This is the Chilton line btw). Mehitable was the dau of Samuel Adams and Sarah Clark. This is what I have: > Birth record for Mehitable Adams has year of birth 1771 or 72 (Vital records compiled by Elizur Yale Smith says 1771, Birth record from town clerk has 1772. > Death record for Mehitable Jones, died 1812 age 41 which would confirm the dob of 1771. > Miles Jones husband of Mehitable signed as administrator bond on Mehitable Adams probate. So far no other probate records found. > Elmer Shepard records from Berkshire County, MA list wife of Miles Jones as Mehitable Adams. > Mehitable and Miles Jones are buried next to Samuel and Sarah Adams in a small graveyard in Otis, MA. > I found one DAR application with a date of marriage and I am waiting for DAR to send me the source of that date. > There is no marriage record for either Mehitable Adams or for Miles Jones. > My line from Samuel Adams up to Chilton is solid and from Mehitable and Miles Jones to me is very well documented. So what is the best way to present my evidence to clearly state my case? And is that permissable? > > Your help is appreciated. > > Judy > > Genealogy Home http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wefamily/ > > ______________________________

Perez son of Judah Genesis 38. Barbara

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In a message dated 2/26/03 2:09:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dashmom@aol.com writes: > ......I wonder if there is also a famous Perez out there > somewhere?? > > Dianne > I think Perez is a variation of Pierce or Piers, which is a form of Peter. Remember that the early settlers spoke with a "British Isles" accent of one sort or another. An Irishman or Scotsman, and probably people from England proper would very likely pronounce Piers with an extra 'e' . Piers is a name that does appear in a number of Celtic families. Thus we get Peres or Perez, totally unrelated to any Spanish or Portuguese connection. Len

I am looking for opinions on how I should present "my case" to the GSMD. I have one link that is being questioned because I am missing a document that clearly identifies Mehitable Adams as being the same wife of Miles Jones. (This is the Chilton line btw). Mehitable was the dau of Samuel Adams and Sarah Clark. This is what I have: Birth record for Mehitable Adams has year of birth 1771 or 72 (Vital records compiled by Elizur Yale Smith says 1771, Birth record from town clerk has 1772. Death record for Mehitable Jones, died 1812 age 41 which would confirm the dob of 1771. Miles Jones husband of Mehitable signed as administrator bond on Mehitable Adams probate. So far no other probate records found. Elmer Shepard records from Berkshire County, MA list wife of Miles Jones as Mehitable Adams. Mehitable and Miles Jones are buried next to Samuel and Sarah Adams in a small graveyard in Otis, MA. I found one DAR application with a date of marriage and I am waiting for DAR to send me the source of that date. There is no marriage record for either Mehitable Adams or for Miles Jones. My line from Samuel Adams up to Chilton is solid and from Mehitable and Miles Jones to me is very well documented. So what is the best way to present my evidence to clearly state my case? And is that permissable? Your help is appreciated. Judy Genealogy Home http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wefamily/

I've corrected the phone number below for NEHGS. ______________ Bill, The Founders of New England by Samuel G. Drake is available from NEHGS for $14.95. You can call 1-888-296-3447 for further ordering information Susan. www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ____________

Perez (also Peres) is another Biblical name found in Daniel 5:28. Perez Bradford, great grandson of Gov. William Bradford (Perez^4, Samuel^3, William^2, William^1), shows up in the Swansea records as having performed marriages there from 1738 to 1741. He is listed as "Perez Bradford, Esq." and as "Perez Bradford, Justice of Peace" in these records. Perez^4 had a son Perez^5 who had a son Perez^6 Bradford. Also Perez^4's son George^5 had a son Perez^6 Bradford. Incidentally, my source for Biblical names is my unabridged dictionary. One of the supplements following the dictionary is a list of scriptural names. Jim Bullock Littleton, CO -----Original Message----- From: Dashmom@aol.com [mailto:Dashmom@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:12 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MFLR] more onomastics . . . ......I wonder if there is also a famous Perez out there somewhere?? Dianne

There is another famous missionary who ended up with a lot of people named after him -- Adoniram Judson. I've got an Adoniram Judson Fisher, whose mother was Nancy Ann Brown. Was I ever excited to discover that Adoniram Judson's mother was ALSO a Brown. But -- unfortunately he was famous in his day (1st half of the 19th century), and alas, there doesn't seem to be any connection between my Adoniram & the Judson family. Charlou Dolan 403 W. Hayes Ave. Charleston, IL 61920-3303 (H) 217-345-8858 charlou@mchsi.com

In a message dated 2/25/03 7:20:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, genferret1@yahoo.com writes: << Around 1800, give or take quite a lot, exotic names like Lorenzo, Perez, Roswell, and so on, appear. To the Genferret these sound as though they may have come out of the gothic novels which were popular among humans in the later eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, much as humans today name their kits for soap opera or sit-com characters. >> A couple of years ago, I read "Inheriting the Revolution - The First Generation of Americans" by Joyce Appleby, Harvard University Press, 2000.....and learned of the revivalist meetings in the early/mid. 1800s.....one of the preachers was Lorenzo Dow. I think he may have been responsible for many boys being named Lorenzo, including possibly my grandfather's middle name. There seem to have been many named for DeWitt Clinton too......I wonder if there is also a famous Perez out there somewhere?? Dianne

I have the following - 1. JOSIAH 1) COOKE b 1610 ,,England d. 17 Oct 1673 Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts md 16 Sep 1635 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA TO: *Elizabeth 2) RING [RING line below] b. 1602/1603 Ufford, Suffolk, England d. 28 Dec 1787 Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts widow of *Stephen DEANE b. 1606 ,,England d. 1 Sep 1634 ,Plymouth, MA *Elizabeth RING & Stephen DEAN were my 10th gr grandparents - Children of Elizabeth & Stephen DEAN (1) Elizabeth DEAN b. 1628 [my line] (2) Miriam DEAN md John WING (3) Susanna DEAN md1) Joseph ROGERS md2) Stephen SNOW Children of Josiah 2) COOKE and Elizabeth 2) RING-DEANE all born Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts i. Anne 2) COOKE b. .... d. 24 July 1656 Eastham, MA md. 18 Jan 1655 " TO: Mark 2) SNOW [Nicholas 1] b. 9 May 1628 Plymouth, MA d. 1694/5 Eastham, Barn.,MA md2) 9 Jan 1660/1 Eastham, Barnstable, MA TO: Jane or Mary 2) PRINCE b. 1 Nov 1637 Duxbury, Plymouth, Massachusetts ii. Bethia 2) COOKE b. ..... Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts d. 17 oct 1673 Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts md. 4 Apr 1660 Eastham, MA TO: Joseph 1) HARDING b. ...... ,,England d. ...... Eastham, Barn., MA 2. iii. Josiah 2) COOKE 1645-1732 2. JOSIAH 2) COOKE b. 1645 Eastham, Barnstable, MA d. 31 Jan 1732 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA md 27 July 1668 Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts TO Deborah 3) HOPKINS [Giles 2,Stephen 1 & 1/wf Mary-1...] b. June 1648 Eastham, Barnstable, MA d ............. RING LINE A. William -1) RING b. abt 1575 Pettistree, Suffolk, Eng d. bef 1629 Leiden, Holland md. 21 May 1601 Ufford, Suffolk, Eng TO: Mary 1) DURANT b. abt 1579 Ufford, Suffolk, England d. aft Oct 1633 ,Plymouth, MA Children - all born Ufford, Suffolk, England - i. Elizabeth 2) RING [see above] ii. Susanna 2) RING b. 1609/10 d. bef 1664 ,Plymouth, MA md. abt 1634 ,Plymouth, MA TO: Thomas 1) CLARKE s/o Thomas-1, CLARKE & Rose-1 KERIDGE / KERRICH b. 1599 Stepney, Middlesex, Eng d. 24 Mar 1697 Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts 2. iii. Andrew 2) RING 1616/18-1693 2. Andrew 2) RING b. 1616/1618 Ufford, Suffolk, England d. 1693 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA md. 23 Apr 1646 Plymouth, Plymouth,MA TO: Deborah 2) HOPKINS d/o Stephen & 2/wf Elizabeth [FISHER] HOPKINS b. 1622 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA d. 1669 " I will send notes and sources if any one is interested - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com In my lineage, I have one Josiah Cooke, that was born 1645 in Plymouth, MA, wed to Deborah Hopkins (whom I have no information about). Is this person related to Francis Cooke, and if so, how? Please help. I look forward to hearing from everyone, and againI apologize if this is a terribly dumb question. Nicole R ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/

> A couple of years ago, I read "Inheriting the > Revolution - The First > Generation of Americans" by Joyce Appleby, Harvard > University Press, > 2000.....and learned of the revivalist meetings in > the early/mid. > 1800s.....one of the preachers was Lorenzo Dow. I > think he may have been > responsible for many boys being named Lorenzo, > including possibly my > grandfather's middle name. There seem to have been > many named for DeWitt > Clinton too......I wonder if there is also a famous > Perez out there > somewhere?? > > Dianne Dianne, you are absolutely right, there were a great many children named for Lorenzo Dow. In the Genferret's limited experience this is true especially in the south, where Lorenzo Dow, though born in CT, did his preaching. There was apparently also a Lorenzo Dow's Medicinal Syrup, which cured, it was averred, a great many ailments, and who knows how that may have figured in. Lorenzo Dow was born in 1777, and so before the highly popular novel _The Monk_(1796) which featured a Lorenzo. [The Oxford Companion to English Literature says of _The Monk_ "The mixture of the supernatural, the horrible, and the indecent makes the book unreadable today." The Genferret, who was only recently scanning the front pages of the tabloids at the grocery checkout can only wonder.] There were other Lorenzos in other gothic novels, but the Genferret suspects that Lorenzo Dow's name may have come from Shakespeare. Lorenzo, in _The Merchant of Venice_ is the Christian who marries the Jew Shylock's daughter, for which the daughter Jessica is disinherited. The Genferret, whose sleep patterns have been disrupted by this irksome question, has begun scrolling through names on a MA VR CD, and while not yet out of the A's and already growing restive, the Genferret finds there were instances of names like Lorenzo (including a Lorenzo Dow), Fernando, Alonzo, Orlando, Alphonso and others. These all seem to date from the very late 1700s, rarely, to much more commonly the 1820s-1840s. There are some earlier in the 1800s and some later, but the bulge seems to come in the 20s through 40s, at least in the A surnames. This, given a certain lag-time for the vogue to reach America and catch on, would correspond well with the gothic novel fad. The Genferret though is cautious not to fall into the human error of _post hoc ergo propter hoc_ despite the delicious prospect that the sons and daughters of the pious pilgrims were reading this lurid, salacious sensationalist literature and naming their spawn for characters in these novels. It seems true that so far all these names belonged to the good guys in the novels, and it may be that the novels were read for moral edification, much like the diet of moral exempla brought to us by the network news. But I digress. Another good point you make Dianna is that in the early 1800s many children were named for once famous people now generally forgotten. For instance, along with the George Washingtons and John Wesleys were such as Harriet Newell, a young wife and said to be first female missionary from this country to another who, as is found on one website, "for the love of Christ and immortal souls, left the bosom of her friends and found an early grave in a land of strangers." A Google search will turn up page after page of Harriet Newells from the mid 1800s, presumably named by tearful young mothers who never anticipated the tears of frustration their descendants would shed trying to figure out how they are related to the Newell family. Another example that came up somewhere recently is Albigence Waldo, who was a doctor at Valley Forge and for whom many boys were named. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Bill, The Founders of New England by Samuel G. Drake is available from NEHGS for $14.95. You can call 1-888- 96-3447 for further ordering information Susan. www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ____________ > Just open up Drake's Founders of New England < Good Evening Susan; I have tried B & N, Heritage and GPC, looking for the aforementioned title. Any suggestions, please? sláinte' Bill PS: I chose this format, to ask; as someone else, may be looking for the same. ______________________________

The current discussion of names used by the descendants of Mayflower passengers has fanned an ember of curiosity in the Genferret's tiny brain. Around 1800, give or take quite a lot, exotic names like Lorenzo, Perez, Roswell, and so on, appear. To the Genferret these sound as though they may have come out of the gothic novels which were popular among humans in the later eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, much as humans today name their kits for soap opera or sit-com characters. The Genferret is currently engaged in a rigorous regime of napping, and does not have time to look into this odd habit of your species, but wonders if any of you have insights on this. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Genesis 10:25, states that Peleg (meaning “division") derived his name from the fact that “in his days the earth was divided.” Blessings, Father John >From: "Charlou Dolan" <charlou@mchsi.com> >To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MFLR] Peleg >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:33:51 -0600 > >Now that you all have done wonders with the name Abiah, does anyone have >any >idea where the name Peleg originates? The only source I've found says "no >idea where this came from; not a Biblical name." > >But as you all have done wonders with that pre-KJV of the Bible, could >someone check and see if it also has the name Peleg somewhere? > >I'd check it myself on line, but I'm definitely internet-challenged. > >Charlou Dolan >403 W. Hayes Ave. >Charleston, IL 61920-3303 >(H) 217-345-8858 >charlou@mchsi.com > > >==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== >Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at >http://www.mayflower.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Now that you all have done wonders with the name Abiah, does anyone have any idea where the name Peleg originates? The only source I've found says "no idea where this came from; not a Biblical name." But as you all have done wonders with that pre-KJV of the Bible, could someone check and see if it also has the name Peleg somewhere? I'd check it myself on line, but I'm definitely internet-challenged. Charlou Dolan 403 W. Hayes Ave. Charleston, IL 61920-3303 (H) 217-345-8858 charlou@mchsi.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: [MFLR] Josias Cooke/Which ship? >snip< > Just open up Drake's Founders of New England < Good Evening Susan; I have tried B & N, Heritage and GPC, looking for the aforementioned title. Any suggestions, please? sláinte' Bill PS: I chose this format, to ask; as someone else, may be looking for the same.

> > --- "William G. Hall" <liam1@attbi.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> > > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:49 AM > > Subject: [MFLR] Josias Cooke/Which ship? > > >snip< > > > > > Just open up Drake's Founders of New England < > > > > Good Evening Susan; > > > > I have tried B & N, Heritage and GPC, looking for > > the aforementioned title. > > > > Any suggestions, please? Bill, I tried Heritage although you said you looked there--it's not easy to find, but ferrets have special powers http://www.heritagebooks.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HBI&Product_Code=D1897 Drake, Samuel Gardner, 1798-1875. Title: Result of some researches among the British archives for information relative to the founders of New England, made in years 1858, 1859, and 1860 : originally collected for and published in the New England historical and genealogical register, and now corrected and enlarged / Variant title: Title on cover: Founders of New England. Physical description: 130 p. : geneal. tables ; 21 cm. Publication info: Bowie, Md. : Heritage Books, 2001. ISBN: 0788418971 (pbk.) : $19.81 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Sorry, the Genferret has some early onset dementia issues, which, when your species has a maximum lifespan of about six years, is a real problem. Anyway, the Genferret forgot to mention what is pretty clear from the citation below--you can find some in the online Register if you are an NEHGS member. > > --- "William G. Hall" <liam1@attbi.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> > > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:49 AM > > Subject: [MFLR] Josias Cooke/Which ship? > > >snip< > > > > > Just open up Drake's Founders of New England < > > > > Good Evening Susan; > > > > I have tried B & N, Heritage and GPC, looking for > > the aforementioned title. > > > > Any suggestions, please? > Drake, Samuel Gardner, 1798-1875. Title: > > Result of some researches among the British archives > for information relative to the founders of New > England: made in the years 1858, 1859, and 1860. > Originally collected for and published in the New > England historical and genealogical register, and > now > corrected and enlarged. By Samuel G. Drake ... > > Publication info: Boston, Office of the New Eng. > hist. and gen. register, 1860. Description: > 143 p. front. (fold. map) ports. 24 cm. Local > note: On spine: Founders Of New England. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

--- "William G. Hall" <liam1@attbi.com> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:49 AM > Subject: [MFLR] Josias Cooke/Which ship? > >snip< > > > Just open up Drake's Founders of New England < > > Good Evening Susan; > > I have tried B & N, Heritage and GPC, looking for > the aforementioned title. > > Any suggestions, please? > > sl�inte' > > Bill > > PS: > I chose this format, to ask; as someone else, may > be looking for the same. > Bill, The Genferret has tried some super-powerful booksearches and can't find this for sale either. The Genferret tried this one, for instance, http://www.2ndhand.org.uk/cgi/books.cgi which the Genferret does not recall having seen mentioned here (whereas Bookfinder, ABE, etc. have been). Also tried the NEHGS store, Hiiginson, Quintin, and some others. However, The Genferret wonders if Susan would think Charles Edward Banks' _The Planters of the Commonwealth_ would serve. The Genferret believes this is what Susan refers to: Drake, Samuel Gardner, 1798-1875. Title: Result of some researches among the British archives for information relative to the founders of New England: made in the years 1858, 1859, and 1860. Originally collected for and published in the New England historical and genealogical register, and now corrected and enlarged. By Samuel G. Drake ... Publication info: Boston, Office of the New Eng. hist. and gen. register, 1860. Description: 143 p. front. (fold. map) ports. 24 cm. Local note: On spine: Founders Of New England. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Hi cousin: Are you descended from the union of Elizabeth Cooke (daughter of John, who was son of Francis) who married Daniel Wilcox? Have you dates? Kindest regards, Edgar Sherman of Brewster, Cooke and Warren GSMD #64,667