On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 02:12:05 -0500 "Charlie" <fourthestate@fcgnetworks.net> writes: > COOKE and WARREN Mayflower Ancestry of Augustus FINNEY, Sharon, > Windsor County, Vermont Charlie - In generation 2, the wife of Experience Mitchell was Jane Cooke, not Sarah. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

COOKE and WARREN Mayflower Ancestry of Augustus FINNEY, Sharon, Windsor County, Vermont 1 Richard WARREN m. Elizabeth ----- 2 Ann WARREN 1 Francis COOKE m. Thomas Little m. Hester Mahieu 3 Hannah LITTLE 2 Mary COOKE 2 Sarah COOKE m. Stephen Tilden m. John Tomson m. Experience Mitchell 4 Stephen TILDEN 3 Hester TOMSON 3 Elizabeth MITCHELL m. Mary Powell m. William Reed m. John Washburn Jr 5 Mary TILDEN 4 Sarah REED 4 Thomas WASHBURN m. Rowland Powell m. Hezekiah King m. Deliverance Packard 6 Rowland POWELL 5 Mary KING 5 Timothy WASHBURN m. Mary Ann Richardson m. Henry Woodward m. Hannah ----- 7 Elisha POWELL 6 Eunice WOODWARD 6 Hannah WASHBURN m. Eunice Woodward m. Elisha Powell m. John Finney 8 Lucina POWELL 7 Lucina POWELL 7 Hannah WASHBURN m. Aaron Alger m. Aaron Alger m. Rufus Finney 9 Albert ALGER 8 Albert ALGER 8 Newman FINNEY m. Harriet Lawrence m. Harriet Lawrence m. Harriet Taylor 10Harriet P. ALGER 9 Harriet P. ALGER 9 Elihu N. FINNEY m. Elihu N. Finney m. Elihu N. Finney m. Harriet P. Alger 11Augustus B. FINNEY 10Augustus B. FINNEY 10Augustus B. FINNEY m. Susan Lora Norton m. Susan Lora Norton m. Susan Lora Norton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.4.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Linda, I don't think we ran into that information, but it is possible we might have something here. We photocopied tons of papers while in Portsmouth at the library, and I think there may be some words on that question in one of the histories or gazeteers that appeared in the decades following his death. Let us sift through all that a bit and we'll get back to you on this. Vic Varis

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.4.1.1 Message Board Post: Vic, In your reply to Laurel Mason you mentioned you went to Portsmouth and explored cemeteries and libraries. In your research, did you discover where Abel and Seth White are buried in Greenup, Kentucky?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: white searl searles searle Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.3.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Laurel, Hi-- glad to hear from you. We have not checked the records in Greenup County. We did visit Portsmouth, Scioto County, OH (across the river from Greenup County) last June 2002, spending several days in the library there as well as visiting gravesites. Unfortunately other commitments made itimpossible for us to spend more time to cross over to Greenup County. There has been a lot of work done on Abel White - perhaps you've already seen much of it, or at least mentioned. In case you haven't you might want to visit my webpage (www.ciurlionis.net/varis) where for at least a short time I have posted Adobe Acrobat files of all the articles we've been able to locate to date. Charles Ullrich ("Ullrich and Birchler Families of Louisville" on Ancestry.com) also seems to have a pretty complete record of Abel's family, but it appears to me to show a little variation on the information I have on Abel- namely that he was born abt. 1747 in Norton, Mass. We have him born abt. 1758 in New Hampshire. I'm not certain which is correct. Haven't reviewed all the info much since last summer, so its a bit fuzzy right now. I do have a couple of files from the Ullriches-- a text file with their Ahnentafel to Abel White, and a GEDCOM. You can email me and I'll send them to you. We also just bought several of the histories and gazeteers of Steuben County, NY where Abel White was one of the founding pioneers. I will try in the next week or so to save the relevant pages or texts and add them to the links on my webpage. The thing there (Steuben Co) is that several other Whites were there, so I was hoping that one of them might have a probate or some other kind of records indicating children, parents or other info. As far as this being a worthless endeavor? I wouldn't say that, however there appears to have been a lot of research done by folks/genealogists a lot more gifted than I. So I am not absolutely sure which are the stones that may have not been turned-- that is, what the avenues are that have been exhausted and where the questions remain. Can't tellyou what the CT historian will say-- at least read the articles on my webpage first if you haven't. It would be an adventure wouldn't it, to spend unlimited time diving into all of this! As it is now, we want to visit New York to dig around a bit, and also eventually get back to Greenup County and a few places in Virginia, to see what we can find. If you go there and have a laptop, I'd advise picking up and bringing a compact scanner such as the Canon Canoscan with you-- they cost under $70. Be sure to spend some time in the Greenup County libraries and courthouse. If you locate any hard copies of things interesting such as articles, probates etc., I'd appreciate getting copies, and also just hearing about the adventure. Definitely take a digital camera with you and grab photos of the headstones that you might find. I'll dig around a bit to see if we have the info on where Abel and Seth are buried. It might also be in one of the articles I save on my webpages. Please keep us informed. Also would love to see what info you have. Drop us a line at our email. vic@psu-xa.org Take care Laurel. Vic

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White, Kilpatrick,Schoonover,Wells,Vance,Henson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/161.3.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, I am wondering if you have checked burial records in Greenupsburg,Ky. I know that Abel had been active in the Congregational Church and think maybe they might know something. Have you been to Greenupsburg? I will be sure to go in May over Decoration Day weekend. I would love to visit their (Abel and Seth's) Graves. Do you know where they are buried. I am also trying to prove the Abel, Seth, Nehemiah link to the Peregrine Line. I just sent in a preliminary application to the Ct. State Historian of the Mayflower Society. Is this a worthless endeavor? I am a descendant of Suzannah White, Abels first child. She acted as a Doctor to the area and married a Brice Kilpatrick born in Ireland. He was an interesting fellow as well. Thankyou!

--- Ed Cooper <emerald_city@mac.com> wrote: > I've recently decided to submit my application to > the society. Would > someone be able to help me with documentation #s for > all or part of > this line? Ed, I'm sure someone else will do better, but here are some hints. > > Richard Warren and Elizabeth (?) > Anne Warren and Thomas Little > Abigail Little and Josiah Keen/Keene > Josiah Keen and Lydia Baker > Abigail Keen Warren MFIP goes to here and Nicholas Drew Roser, _Mayflower Marriages_ has this, cites MD 12:225, presumably the silver book goes this far, but I don't have that. Someone will confirm the silver book I'm sure and the silver makes you golden (ferret humor is not evolved to the level of human humor). Here's one entry from Ply. Court records--there seem to be others as these people were shipwrights and debts were an issue. Joshua Drew (Plymoth Shipright), adm. his father Nicholas Drew v. Samuell Drew ("late of Plymoth...now of Kingston" Shipright). Debt, on bond dated 4 November 1720 for �22 "Currant Lawfull Money of New England" on demand. Default by deft. Judgment for [blank] and �2.5s.6d. costs. > Joshua Drew and Joannah Kempton The Plymouth VR per MD has these--better check the real thing though. Birth Joshua MD 12:225 Joshua death MD 16:86 ( right Josua?) Joshua/Joanna int's MD 17:134 Joanna birth MD 2:165 Joanna death MD 31:114 > Isaac Drew and Deborah Jenney/Jenne Birth of Isaac, MD 15:42 Marriage Isaac & Deborah Dartmouth VR per NEHGS website > Cornelius Drew and Edith Russell Fairhaven VR has Gravestone inscriptions for Cornelius and Edith p. 139 (Woodside Cemetery, North Fairhaven, Main & Morgan Sts.) Also Cornelius, Fairhaven deaths p. 118, cites MA state records. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

I've recently decided to submit my application to the society. Would someone be able to help me with documentation #s for all or part of this line? Richard Warren and Elizabeth (?) Anne Warren and Thomas Little Abigail Little and Josiah Keen/Keene Josiah Keen and Lydia Baker Abigail Keen and Nicholas Drew Joshua Drew and Joannah Kempton Isaac Drew and Deborah Jenney/Jenne Cornelius Drew and Edith Russell Harriet Newhall Drew and James Mayhew Allen I'd very much appreciate your assistance. -- "Pay heed to the words you speak, God is listening" --from the back a marriage certificate found in the Sandwich Friends records. Edward A. Cooper 1335 W MacKenzie Dr PHOENIX AZ 85013 e-mail <emerald_city@mac.com> 602-230-1771

On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:16:39 -0800 (PST) Merry Gonsalves <mezz945@yahoo.com> writes: > Francis Eaton m. (3) Christian Penn > > Rachel Eaton m. Joseph Ramsdell (Ramsden) > > Daniel Ramsdell m. Sarah Caswill Merry - Per MF1 (Eaton, S, Fuller, White) Daniel's wife was Hannah Caswell - in the vital records of Plymouth four of their children were erroneously ascribed to Daniel Ramsdell and his wife "Sarah." MF1 cites land and probate records which make it clear that her name was actually Hannah. MF1 substantiates your line down to the birth of Avis Ramsdell. Dale H. Cook USGenWeb Plymouth County MA Towns http://www.rootsweb.com/~macbrock/sites.html

James Crippen <crippen3@alaska.com> wrote: Gonsalves: Which child of Francis Eaton????? JC3 James, This is the line. I do not have primary documentation for every generation as yet, and have not submitted it to the society. Francis Eaton m. (3) Christian Penn Rachel Eaton m. Joseph Ramsdell (Ramsden) Daniel Ramsdell m. Sarah Caswill Thomas Ramsdell m. Sarah Albeson Joseph Ramsdell m. Mary Homer Avis Ramsdell m. Joshua Dwelley Priscilla Dwelley m. Joshua Stetson Cassandra Stetson m. William Curtis Sally Maria Curtis m. Rufus Crane Edith Maria Crane m. John Flavell Brooks ( my grandparents) Best wishes Merry Brooks Gonsalves --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:38:29 -0500 > From: "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> > > 1. Mehitable Adams, dau of Samuel & Sarah, b. > 1771/2 > 2. Mehitable Jones d. 1812 ae 41, thus born ca1771 > 3. Miles Jones had wife Mehitable as per adm. > 4. Mehitable & Miles Jones buried next to the > Adamses. > > There is really no evidence in the facts above that > you can present to prove > Mehitable Jones' identity and parentage because it's > just not there. Well, I don't think I would go quite as far as Susan did and say "no evidence", but I can certainly agree with "only a smidgen of evidence", especially with such common names as Mehitable, Adams, and Jones. But the point is academic; the info is clearly not enough. I couldn't help but notice, however, how similar this set of facts is to one I encountered in some non-Mayflower research. Based on that other case, let me suggest that Judy also search for later death records of any children of Miles and Mehitable Jones. If you find a child who died in, say, the 1880s (quite possible if mother Mehitable had a child in, say, 1810 or even earlier), the death record might give the mother's maiden name. I've seen this is on multiple Massachusetts records in the 1880s and later, and sometimes even earlier, like on this one from 1867: Death record at MA Archives, Volume 202, page 232, for town of West Newbury, stating Stephen Noyes died 19 Jan 1867 in West Newbury; age 91 years, 8 months, 12 days; married, farmer; cause of death lung fever and old age; born in West Newbury; parents' names Stephen and Betsey (Chase) Noyes, [both] born in West Newbury. It would be particularly nice if such a child had the less common name Miles as well, or if you could find one who also happens to be buried in the same plot. Best of luck. Ruy Cardoso __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Hi Catherine, Can't help you with the wife of Sir Thomas B. Southworth, but will comment that the connection of Constant Southworth, and his brother Thomas, to Sir Thomas Southworth has not been reliably established. According to "The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-33", "Various attempts have been made to extend the pedigree of the brothers beyond their father Edward, but none has yet been succesful." Best wishes, Merry Brooks Gonsalves Researching Alden, Allerton, Bradford, Cooke, Eaton, Hopkins, Mullins, Standish, Warren Catherine Boyle <cboyle@ViaFamily.com> wrote:Hi all! I have in my family tree: Constant Southworth m. Elizabeth Collier 1637 Edward A Southworth m. Alice Carpenter 1613 Sir Thomas B. Southworth m. Rosamomd Lister. Two questions: 1. I have seen conflicting info on who was the wife of Thomas. Some say Jane ? Others say Rosamond. Who is the real wife of Thmoas? 2. I have also info that Rosamond was a descendant of Walter of Gaunt and Maud, daughter of Stephen, Count of Brittany. If Rosamond was a wife of Thomas, are there any verifiable sources to show that she is indeed a descendant of Walter and Maud? IHG, Cathy B. ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sampson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/204.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Harlow! No wonder everyone begged you to not leave after you announced your departure from the Mayflower list a while back! You asked about the feasibility of making the Plymouth Probate records available on CD or on the internet "Who would pay for that and why?" I'd gladly pay my share. :-) I've spent MUCH money for on-line information and CDs. With the near cult-like following many of the folks in those records have, and the recently reported 35,000,000 Mayflower descendants alone, I'd think it's feasible from an ROI perspective. However, I don't really care one way or the other. I was simply looking for options. Between work, children, and the FHC's limited hours of operation they are my last choice. Online in my first choice. Thanks again for the "reminder" about the FHCs. Hope you rejoin the Mayflower list so you can continue to help others. (You may have returned already. Sometimes I only scan the subjects in the digest so if you're back posting there, GREAT!)

Hello, as the Founder of the Francis Cooke Chat. I want to welcome all Cook descendants. Just a little bit of information. We have been working on getting people connected to the chat, and are working on getting the bugs out. And I am open to suggestions about the Chat. And where to recruit new members. It might be easier to e-mail me, at first to discuss parameters of the chat. In the future we plan a newsletter, and a possible web page. Sincerely, Scott McKay Michigan #34978

Hi all! I have in my family tree: Constant Southworth m. Elizabeth Collier 1637 Edward A Southworth m. Alice Carpenter 1613 Sir Thomas B. Southworth m. Rosamomd Lister. Two questions: 1. I have seen conflicting info on who was the wife of Thomas. Some say Jane ? Others say Rosamond. Who is the real wife of Thmoas? 2. I have also info that Rosamond was a descendant of Walter of Gaunt and Maud, daughter of Stephen, Count of Brittany. If Rosamond was a wife of Thomas, are there any verifiable sources to show that she is indeed a descendant of Walter and Maud? IHG, Cathy B.

Hello, Ed -- In a message dated 2/26/03 11:31:24 PM, you wrote: << Friends: Is it not sad, but interesting that the very company which two years ago desired the destruction of a precious Pilgrim site in Leyden is in the throws of turmoil for recently overstating it's earningd by $500 million. AHOLD once wanted to develop the property on which Pilgrim structure-remains now occupy........AHOLD acquiesced two years ago, thanks to Dr. Jeremy Bangs, and decided not to pursue the destruction of the site but they are in it deep today--with financial troubles worldwide..........>> Just out of curiosity, what Pilgrim site in Leyden were they lusting to destroy? And who is Dr. Jeremy Bangs, to whom, presumably, we should be grateful? Thanks for the interesting anecdote, Cheers, Mignon Cameron

Mignon, You asked about the site in Leiden and Dr. Bangs. Ed may wish to add to this, but here's one of several webpages that tell something of the story http://www.godutch.com/iwindmill/iexcerpts/991223c.htm Dr. Bangs is surely the world's foremost expert on the Leiden congregation, director of the Leiden American Pilgrim museum, was former chief curator of Plimoth Plantion, I believe, has an excellent new book out now from NEHGS on Indian deeds in Plymouth, and is a regular contributor of much scholarship on Plymouth Colony. We've got a lot to be grateful for from Dr. Bangs. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Ooops. Judy, I asked about Leonard Jones and the adoption. As you know the VR says "adopted ch. Benjamin,...etc" There are a few hints here, such as the fact that he was adopted after his actual parents died. So, now I get it. I had it all backwards. My only defense is that English is a second language for ferrets. Did you ever wish, moments after sending an email, that you could just run down to the mailbox and get it back before you made a fool of yourself? ===== _ / \ _/ ^^\_ (� �) ^ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Judy, you asked about the marriage of Miles Jones and Mehitable. I am wondering which child of this marriage is your ancestor. I have looked at your website, as well as some VR for Otis, Sandisfield, etc., and I see that you have done what appears to me to be very good research. But you mention at your site Leonard Jones as "Great...grandfather." This is what confuses me. He is adopted, isn't he? Is he the ancestor you're interested in, and if so is there a line through his natural parents Benjamin and Lydia Barber? Otherwise the adoption would be a bar, wouldn't it? From what I have seen of your work you obviously know what you're doing--what is it I'm not getting? The circumstances you cite, plus the name Leonard in this family which may be ultimately from Solomon Leonard, certainly seem compelling. As you and Susan say, there's no hard evidence yet, but it sure looks promising. --- "Susan E. Roser" <roser@iprimus.ca> wrote: > Judy, > > Your facts thus far are: > > 1. Mehitable Adams, dau of Samuel & Sarah, b. > 1771/2 > 2. Mehitable Jones d. 1812 ae 41, thus born ca1771 > 3. Miles Jones had wife Mehitable as per adm. > 4. Mehitable & Miles Jones buried next to the > Adamses. > > There is really no evidence in the facts above that > you can present to prove > Mehitable Jones' identity and parentage because it's > just not there. ===== _ / \ _/ ^^\_ (� �) ^ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/206 Message Board Post: Am seeking info on John Edward Montgomery White , b.6/ 24/ 1881, Terre Haute , Ind. m. Ida Myrtle b. 1896 in Tenn. He lived in Ill in 1910. They had two daughters Ida Myrtle, b. 1923 and Doris. who married Tedford Dees and they lived in Denver, Colo area. Any info on him or his wife Ida Myrtle of Tenn. Any info or suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Joan