Civil War drummer boys were not so rare. Here are a few links to check: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/learn/lessons/99/civilwar/slide1.html http://memory.loc.gov/learn/lessons/99/civilwar/slindex.html http://www.edrumline.com/features/history/civilwar/ http://www.civilwarhome.com/clembio.htm http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=85 The Boys' War: Confederate and Union Soldiers Talk about the Civil War by Jim Murphy is a wonderful book: http://www.amazon.com/Boys-War-Confederate-Union-Soldiers/dp/0395664128/sr=8 -1/qid=1162208690/ref=sr_1_1/102-7957765-0745709?ie=UTF8&s=books Grace Bliss Smith Geanellen wrote.....1st, a 12 year old in the Civil War veteran is cause for wonder, albeit possible. If veteran papers are available, some form of parental consent may be included in those papers.

----- Original Message ---- From: James Crippen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:52:29 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] DOTY Geanellen ?: I have read the two answers to your query . The genferret is an exceptional researcher. His calculator may not be working. 1st, a 12 year old in the Civil War veteran is cause for wonder, albeit possible. Aw shucks, James. However, if you go back and read what I said, the weasel's obsession with personal research honor will be appeased. The 1852 date is quoted from the original query. The Genferret pointed out that the actual date was 1812, which in fact the lady asking for assistance does know, as is evidenced by the mass of information which she has collected already on Joseph Doty. (Actually, he was kind of old for the war.) I merely wanted to mention that typo so that those capable of helping might have a sounder foundation. A quick check of the census, you may infer I know from experience, will show what the proper date must be. I do hope someone can help, and if so, please do look at that earlier message, which gives lots of information to get started with. I've used up what I can put my paws on and can't get any further than she has already. Now, let's get back to that pleasant theme you introduced. "An exceptional researcher.".. And?

Geanellen ?: I have read the two answers to your query . The genferret is an exceptional researcher. His calculator may not be working. 1st, a 12 year old in the Civil War veteran is cause for wonder, albeit possible. If veteran papers are available, some form of parental consent may be included in those papers. Secondly, have you considered contacting the PilgrimEdward Doty Society? PEDS has a treasure trove of information on Pilgrim Edward Doty's descendants. Your Joseph may be included. Good luck on your quest. Regards, JC3 ----- Original Message ----- From: GEANELLEN <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:42 pm Subject: [MFLR] DOTY To: [email protected] > for over 30 years I have been hitting my head on a brick wall! > looking for parents of Joseph Doty, my great great grandfather. > His 1st marriage was in N.Y. wife name ?, 2ns wife: (my great great > grandmother: Eliza Coffee/Mrs. Monda. > Joseph and Eliza had 4 boys. Willis, Edwin, Oscar, Joseph A. > I would like to prove my line back to the Pilgrim Edward Doty. > Joseph Doty was born according to his civil war papers: 30 Dec. > 1852 in New York. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

There were many young boys (most of them drummer boys) in the Civil War. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommi R. Gatlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] DOTY > How could Joseph Doty have had Civil War papers if he was born in 1852? > Isn't there some mistake? Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "genferret2" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] DO > > > | > | > | ----- Original Message ---- > | From: GEANELLEN <[email protected]> > | To: [email protected] > | Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:41:40 PM > | Subject: [MFLR] DOTY > | > | > | Joseph Doty was born according to his civil war papers: 30 Dec. 1852 in > New York. > | > | > | > | Hello, > | > | I believe the 1852 date is a typo and you mean 1812. > | > | Also, anyone who might be able to assist would probably be interested as > a > starting point in the large body of information you already have which you > included in your March 26, 2005 query on the same problem, as well as > Susan > Roser's reply of 27 March, 2005. Both are in the list archives, of course. > | > | This is too difficult for me, but I hope someone can help. We all know > how frustrating such problems are. > | > | > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan wrote: >>I can't see that the obit proves the marriage. However - there are times when proof for a marriage just cannot be located and the lineage is still approved by the Historian General in Plymouth. Whether or not your lineage would be approved depends on how solid the rest of your documentation is.<< Hi Susan ~ Here's what I have..... through Abigail Church is in the silver books...... Name: Abigail Church Sex: F Birth: 8 OCT 1719 in Little Compton, Newport, Rhode Island then it goes to Seth Pope and Abigail Church..... Innocent Pope and Joshua Loring..... Betsy Loring and Elisha Blossom, Sr....... Elisha Blossom, Jr., and Maria Ann Anderson..... (all proven with VRs and/or solid histories, and/or newspaper marriages or obits.)..... Elisha William Blossom and Betsey Ann Smith (her parents are the ones I need a marriage record for, but I do have an obit. that states that her father was Stephen Smith, shipbuilder of NYC)......Minister's records and/or obits..... Mary Ann Blossom and Charles Carroll Hubbard - Minister's records and obits Agnes Hubbard (my grandmother).....actual marriage record .....and/or birth/death records and all other records down to me are actual marriage/birth/death records Is that enough proof? Dianne

Dianne, I can't see that the obit proves the marriage. However - there are times when proof for a marriage just cannot be located and the lineage is still approved by the Historian General in Plymouth. Whether or not your lineage would be approved depends on how solid the rest of your documentation is. If you have a well documented line, full of primary sources, chances are this one omission will be okay. However, if you have a weak lineage with many blanks, relying on secondary sources for your middle generations, then this omission will be harder to ignore. Susan E. Roser, Historian Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Documentation question.....Stephen SMITH Hi Listers ~ I have Stephen SMITH, married Mary Ann Lockwood...with a date of Sept. 11th, 1816, in Darien, CT. Old papers I have say the information came from "the Smith Family Register". The problem comes in because I can't find either the register or a record in Darien (so far). I think they "could have" been married in NYC also. I did find an obit for Stephen dated 08-11-1875 in the CT Daily Constitution and at the end it says "Mr.Smith was grandfather to the wife of his honor, Mayor C.C.Hubbard of this city." Would that obit. be proof enough of the marriage? I do have proof of all the rest....this is the *last* marriage I need proof for! TIA for any advice! Dianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How could Joseph Doty have had Civil War papers if he was born in 1852? Isn't there some mistake? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "genferret2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] DO | | | ----- Original Message ---- | From: GEANELLEN <[email protected]> | To: [email protected] | Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:41:40 PM | Subject: [MFLR] DOTY | | | Joseph Doty was born according to his civil war papers: 30 Dec. 1852 in New York. | | | | Hello, | | I believe the 1852 date is a typo and you mean 1812. | | Also, anyone who might be able to assist would probably be interested as a starting point in the large body of information you already have which you included in your March 26, 2005 query on the same problem, as well as Susan Roser's reply of 27 March, 2005. Both are in the list archives, of course. | | This is too difficult for me, but I hope someone can help. We all know how frustrating such problems are. | | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

----- Original Message ---- From: GEANELLEN <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:41:40 PM Subject: [MFLR] DOTY Joseph Doty was born according to his civil war papers: 30 Dec. 1852 in New York. Hello, I believe the 1852 date is a typo and you mean 1812. Also, anyone who might be able to assist would probably be interested as a starting point in the large body of information you already have which you included in your March 26, 2005 query on the same problem, as well as Susan Roser's reply of 27 March, 2005. Both are in the list archives, of course. This is too difficult for me, but I hope someone can help. We all know how frustrating such problems are.

for over 30 years I have been hitting my head on a brick wall! looking for parents of Joseph Doty, my great great grandfather. His 1st marriage was in N.Y. wife name ?, 2ns wife: (my great great grandmother: Eliza Coffee/Mrs. Monda. Joseph and Eliza had 4 boys. Willis, Edwin, Oscar, Joseph A. I would like to prove my line back to the Pilgrim Edward Doty. Joseph Doty was born according to his civil war papers: 30 Dec. 1852 in New York.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Chipman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/353.2.1 Message Board Post: I want to share two emails I received in February of 1996 from a descendant of James and Charlotte (Crockett) (Hutchinson) Chipman, to which I will append transcriptions of the 1820 and 1830 census returns mentioned in my previous post. I am not going to name the correspondent; from the text it's apparent they are interested in the truth, and embarrassment is not my purpose. Herewith: “Mon. 19 Feb 1996 Hello Jeffrey: I am responding to a couple of your messages you posted over the last week or so on the Gennam Mailing List. My name is (--) and I believe we may share some of the same ancestors. There is reason to believe that the James Chipman you wanted information on is my ggg grandfather. My gg grandparents were George & Elizabeth MASON who were both from KY, but moved to Ray Cnty. MO around 1840 and died there; he, in 1862; she, in 1878. They had 4 children, one of whom, James Chipman MASON, was my ggrandfather. I have a probable marriage record for them: 15 Jul 1839 in Fayette Cnty, KY. The records shows a “Geo. A. MASON” marrying an “Eliza” CHIPMAN. About the James CHIPMAN you mention. I can’t really confirm or correct your information. I have IGI records (along with photocopies of the original submissions), showing Stephen as James’s father, but both Stephen and John CHIPMAN as sons of Perez CHIPMAN and Margaret WHEELER. Once I’ve gone further back than James CHIPMAN’s family, I am not sure totally of the reliability of what I’ve found. You seem to have more than I have and it would be interesting to hear from you about it. “Eliza” Chipman seems to tie into a family (from the IGI parent index) I have listed of James CHIPMAN and Caroline CROCKETT, but instead of Caroline, one source gives me the name Lotte. If her name was Charlotte that would make sense. “Eliza” seems consistent with Elizabeth CHIPMAN, James’s youngest daughter. The photocopies of the IGI submission indicated that Elizabeth married George A. MASON. Sorry I don’t have more on the earlier CHIPMANs, but hope this helps. I am focused right now on 19th century MASONs. My big problem with George A. MASON is his KY origin. Besides the marriage record all I know is that he was born there. If you have info concerning his parents and/or his birthplace and date, I would appreciate your sharing it since I’m pretty much a blank here (I estimate his birth date from 1813 to 1819). Let me know if you think I have anything that can help. Let’s keep in touch since it seems we’re working on some of the same families. (--) [END of message text]” “Sun. 25 Feb 1996 Hi Jeff— I was glad to get your response. You seem to have dug out alot on the Chipman relations. On the basis of what you’ve given me, I’ve been able to correct my own records. The info I had, while useful as a start, simply did not seem to completely fit. John rather than Stephen Chipman as James’s father makes sense. Thanks for the help. We I need help I’ll get back to you & let me know if you think I’ve got anything that will help you. (--)” Two U.S. Census listings for James Chipman in Scott Co., KY: 1820, pg. 96A Two males 0-10, seven males 10-16, one male 26-45, three females 0-10, two females 10-16, one female 16-26, one female 26-45 1830, pg. 166 One male 0-5, two males 10-15, one male 40-50, one female 5-10, two females 15-20, one female 40-50 The oldest male in the 1820 return is 26-45, or born from 1775-1794; the oldest male in the 1830 return is 40-50, or born from 1780-1790. These returns are for the same person. The reason the age ranges in these census returns are different is because the Federal government changed the way it recorded families in 1830.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Chipman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/353.2 Message Board Post: Please see challenge posted on Rootsweb's "CHIPMAN" board, under the general heading "Who was James Chipman of Bledsoe Co., TN?"

Hello- I recently acquired a General Society publication from 1901. I would like to find a comprehensive list of all publications by the General Society other than the silver books. Can someone point me in the right direction. Thanks. John Schellinger

John C Schellinger wrote: >Hello- > >I recently acquired a General Society publication from 1901. I would like to find a comprehensive list of all publications by the General Society other than the silver books. Can someone point me in the right direction. > >Thanks. > >John Schellinger > > > > > The first thing that comes to mind is to write or call the GSMD and ask. There may be a bibliography available. The second is to try www.worldcat.org and do an advanced search using "General Society of Mayflower Descendants" as a phrase anywhere. Trying that I got 257 hits which one could then wade through and weed out. This may not be comprehensive. Other possibilities include trying the advanced search at the Library of Congress (which will give some, but it appears not anywhere near all), other libraries such as the Allen County Public Library or the FHL (although their catalog searches may not be sophisticated enough), used book sites, and whatever else you might think of. Any of those would only give holdings or in stock merchandise, so one would have to comb a lot of libraries (which is what WorldCat does for you). But I'd call the society and ask.

Did you try their website: http://www.mayflower.org/book.htm Mike More [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of John C Schellinger Sent: October 27, 2006 7:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] General Society of Mayflower Descendants publications Hello- I recently acquired a General Society publication from 1901. I would like to find a comprehensive list of all publications by the General Society other than the silver books. Can someone point me in the right direction. Thanks. John Schellinger ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, lets stay more strict to helping Mayflower ancestry. We have been going off tangent lately. Craig Rich you I suppose have the authority to delete a message before it gets on line. I would be a little more stricter on some of these obtuse lines getting put on this site. Or this site will be full of Internet connections with no veritable proof. Scott McKay Like this oMessage: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:32:55 -0400 From: Ralph H Sayre <[email protected]> Subject: [MFLR] Fannin(g) in New England To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I?m interested in information on the early FANNING families of New England and Connecticut (1600-1800). In part, I have found the following references. I don't know if any of them were Mayflower passenbers. If anyone has these reference books, please email me whatever additional information you have: Fanning, Ann Eliza -Book: History of Wethersfield, Vol. II, Page # 160 Fanning, Hannah -Book: History of Ancient Windsor, Vol. II, Page # 319 and 328 Fanning, Charles -Book: Families of Early Hartford, CT, Page # 101 Fanning, Hepzibah -Book: Families of Early Hartford, CT, Page # 101 Fanning, Bishop Alinda -Book: Families of Early Guilford, CT, Vol. I, Page # 99 Fanning, Patrick -Book: Families of Early Guilford, CT, Vol. I, Page # 99 Fanning, Sarah -Book: Families of Early Guilford, CT, Vol. I, Page # 506 and 507 See if there is a mailing list for all of New England: Fanning, Thomas C. -Book: New England Families, Vol. I, Page # 160 Fanning, Mary Augusta -Book: New England Families, Vol. I, Page # 160 Fanning, Hannah -Book: New England Families, Vol. III, Page # 1356 Fanning, Rufus Leeds -Book: New England Families, Vol. III, Page # 1356 Fanning, Mary A. -Book: New England Families, Vol. IV, Page # 1643 Fanning, William -Book: New England Families, Vol. IV, Page # 1643 ne.

Hi Listers ~ I have Stephen SMITH, married Mary Ann Lockwood...with a date of Sept. 11th, 1816, in Darien, CT. Old papers I have say the information came from "the Smith Family Register". The problem comes in because I can't find either the register or a record in Darien (so far). I think they "could have" been married in NYC also. I did find an obit for Stephen dated 08-11-1875 in the CT Daily Constitution and at the end it says "Mr.Smith was grandfather to the wife of his honor, Mayor C.C.Hubbard of this city." Would that obit. be proof enough of the marriage? I do have proof of all the rest....this is the *last* marriage I need proof for! TIA for any advice! Dianne

Hi Sherrye Oops My mistake misread marriage date should read as follows.also mbriggs gave wrong birth date John b. 5th May 1556 should read 5th May 1665. There is a misprint in this edition as it gives conflicting details : Re Silver Book Vol 19 ( Thomas Rogers) Mary ROGERS, ( Joseph 2 Thomas 1)born prob Duxbury 22 Sept 1644. d. Barnstable 19th April 1718.she married Barnstable 10th Aug 1664 ( see what I mean ) John PHINNEY b. Plymouth 24th Dec 1638. d, Barnstable bet 19th April 1718 & 9th March 1718 /19 son of John & Christian ( PATTEN) PHINNEY. John PHINNEY (Finney) of Barnstable, Weaver, made his will 19th April 1718 giving bequests after the decease of his wife to daughter Mary EASTLAND, Mercy CROCKER, & Reliance MORTON: sons John,Joseph,Thomas, Ebenezer,Samuel, Benjamin& Jonathon PHINNEY, Son John was to be executor, The inventory was taken 9th March 1718/19 and the will probated 19th June 1719. This is verbatim as printed I am not sure it helps but I hope it does. Rob From over the pond in England ) Mayflower descendant of Thomas ROGERS, Stephen HOPKINS thru both Giles & Constance HOPKINS, & William BREWSTER, ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Rogers line > Mary-3 Rogers (Joseph-2,Thomas-1) b prob. Duxbury 22 Sept 1644; d > Barnstable after 19 April 1718; mar. Barnstable 10 Aug 1664 John Phinney, > b Plymouth 24 Dec 1638, d c1718/19 [will written 19 April 1718, inventory > taken 9 Mar 1718/19, will probated 19 June 1719] > ch., all b Barnstable: > John b 5 May 1556 > Melatiah b mid Oct 1666; d Nov 1667 > Joseph b 28 Jan 1667 (prob. 1667/68) > Thomas b Jan 1671 > Ebenezer b 18 Feb 1673 > Samuel b 4 Nov 1676 > Mary b 3 Sept 1678 > Mercy b 10 July 1679 > Reliance b 27 Aug 1681 > Benjamin b 18 June 1682 > Jonathan b 30 July 1684 > Hannah b 28 Mar 1687; bp 7 April 1689; d 10 Feb 1689 > > -----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>Sent: Oct 25, 2006 5:29 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [MFLR] Rogers line >> >>Does someone have the Rogers Mayflower book handy? I am interested in >>knowing about the Mary Rogers who married John Finney Jr. in 1664. Is she >>the >>granddaughter of Thomas Rogers? If so, does someone know the ancestry of >>John >>Finney Jr.? Children's names? >> >>Sherrye >>descendant of Bradford, Brewster, Warren >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: > 23/10/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 23/10/2006

Hi Sherrye There is a misprint in this edition as it gives conflicting details : Re Silver Book Vol 19 ( Thomas Rogers) Mary ROGERS, ( Joseph 2 Thomas 1)born prob Duxbury 22 Sept 1644. d. Barnstable 19th April 1718.she married Barnstable 10th Aug 1644 ( see what I mean ) John PHINNEY b. Plymouth 24th Dec 1638. d, Barnstable bet 19th April 1718 & 9th March 1718 /19 son of John & Christian ( PATTEN) PHINNEY. John PHINNEY (Finney) of Barnstable, Weaver, made his will 19th April 1718 giving bequests after the decease of his wife to daughter Mary EASTLAND, Mercy CROCKER, & Reliance MORTON: sons John,Joseph,Thomas, Ebenezer,Samuel, Benjamin& Jonathon PHINNEY, Son John was to be executor, The inventory was taken 9th March 1718/19 and the will probated 19th June 1719. This is verbatim as printed I am not sure it helps but I hope it does. Rob From over the pond in England ) Mayflower descendant of Thomas ROGERS, Stephen HOPKINS thru both Giles & Constance HOPKINS, & William BREWSTER, ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [MFLR] Rogers line > Does someone have the Rogers Mayflower book handy? I am interested in > knowing about the Mary Rogers who married John Finney Jr. in 1664. Is she > the > granddaughter of Thomas Rogers? If so, does someone know the ancestry of > John > Finney Jr.? Children's names? > > Sherrye > descendant of Bradford, Brewster, Warren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: > 23/10/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 23/10/2006

Mary-3 Rogers (Joseph-2,Thomas-1) b prob. Duxbury 22 Sept 1644; d Barnstable after 19 April 1718; mar. Barnstable 10 Aug 1664 John Phinney, b Plymouth 24 Dec 1638, d c1718/19 [will written 19 April 1718, inventory taken 9 Mar 1718/19, will probated 19 June 1719] ch., all b Barnstable: John b 5 May 1556 Melatiah b mid Oct 1666; d Nov 1667 Joseph b 28 Jan 1667 (prob. 1667/68) Thomas b Jan 1671 Ebenezer b 18 Feb 1673 Samuel b 4 Nov 1676 Mary b 3 Sept 1678 Mercy b 10 July 1679 Reliance b 27 Aug 1681 Benjamin b 18 June 1682 Jonathan b 30 July 1684 Hannah b 28 Mar 1687; bp 7 April 1689; d 10 Feb 1689 -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Oct 25, 2006 5:29 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [MFLR] Rogers line > >Does someone have the Rogers Mayflower book handy? I am interested in >knowing about the Mary Rogers who married John Finney Jr. in 1664. Is she the >granddaughter of Thomas Rogers? If so, does someone know the ancestry of John >Finney Jr.? Children's names? > >Sherrye >descendant of Bradford, Brewster, Warren >