Digest subscribers can also request of the list administrator that they receive the digest in the old format, with attachments. I have requested this of all the lists to which I subscribe, and I no longer have to sift through lines and lines of repetition to get to the "meat" of the messages. Lorna in Maine

How do you fit into the Cushman family? In other words, how far down the line does your Cushman branch extend to you? Mine goes to my ggggrandmother. J Goldbaum

Dear Co-Researchers, Just a friendly note to say that I will be glad to exchange ideas, genealogy and other data on the two subject lines that I have been researching for some 35 years. I have several related publications that may be a source of further info. Any interested parties of the two names please let me hear. S. Maurice McAllister

Stubby, Stephen Hopkins died sometime between June 1644 and July 17, 1644 at Plymouth.... r/Steven Mitchell -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: StubbyTate <[email protected]> > When did Stephen Hopkins die? > > Stubby > > [email protected] wrote: > > > 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for > > holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; > > > Lois Kortering > > We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above > tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved data on > Stephen..... > > Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and accurate > writings regarding our Stephen? > > Thank you. > r/Steven Mitchell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

> > 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for > holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; > > Lois Kortering We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved data on Stephen..... Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and accurate writings regarding our Stephen? Thank you. r/Steven Mitchell

Steven, you caught me off guard but I found a couple of places. Look below your note. Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins >> 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for >> holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; >> > Lois Kortering > > We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above > tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved > data on Stephen..... > > Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and > accurate writings regarding our Stephen? > > Thank you. > r/Steven Mitchell --------------------------------- Steven, I found this on the Pilgrim Hall Museum website: http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ I had copied the entire "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" but did not copy the name of the website. However, I recognized the fonts used as being Pilgrim Hall Museum. Click on "Beyond the Pilgrim Story" Arrow down to Stephen Hopkins and click on Biography. See this sentence at the bottom: "How do we know about Stephen Hopkins? >From the records of the 17th century. For a look at all the 17th century records that pertain to Stephen Hopkins, click HERE." Use your Edit, and then, Find, and type "Hopkins" so you can find the two incidents that happened January 2 and October 2, which I have copied at the bottom of this e-mail. Or, this link will take you right to the page "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" http://www.pilgrimhall.org/hopkinsstephenrecords.htm --------------------------- 2 October 1637 : "Presentments, for Grand Inquest. "Mr Stephen Hopkins, first psentment, (for suffering men to drink in his house vpon the Lords day, before the meeting be ended, and also vpon the Lords day, both before 7 after the meeting, servants & others to drink more then for ordinary refreshing) is respited vntill the next Court, that the testimony of John Barnes be had therein. "Mr Steephen Hopkins, psented for suffering servants and others to sit drinkeing in his house, (contrary to the orders of this Court,) and to play at shouell board, & such like misdemeanors, is therefore fined fourty shillings." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 68. * * * 2 January 1637 : "Presentment by the Grand Jury." 1. William Reynolds is psented for being drunck at Mr Hopkins his house, that he lay vnder the table, vomitting in a beastly manner, and was taken vp betweene two. The witness hereof is Abraham Warr, als Hoop, als Pottle, and sayth that there was in company Francis Sprague, Samuell Nash, & Georg Partrich. 2. Mr Hopkins is psented for sufferinge excessiue drinking in his house, as old Palmer, James Coale, & William Renolds, John Winslow, Widdow Palmers man, Widdow Palmer, Thomas Little, witnesss & Stepheen Travy." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 75. ------------------------------ Also, Ann McGovern's delightful children's book, "If You Sailed on the Mayflower in 1620" makes no attempt to cover up or leave out the fact that when the Mayflower ship sailed it was loaded with barrels of drinking water and barrels of beer, because they knew that the water would not be fit to drink after just so many months, but the beer would still be safe to drink, so the children were served beer as a beverage with their meals. Ann McGovern tells all about the "Naughty Boy" Billington, too! There is another story about Steven Hopkins being arrested and/or fined, because he covered up the fact that one of his woman servants got pregnant and she wasn't married, but I cannot find that story right now. It seems that Hopkins wanted to help the woman and be kind to her. Stephen Hopkins also held dances at his house for the young people. I think that is just great! It's a much better idea than letting them go off into the woods or down to the beach at night! Oh, I just noticed that in the #2 incident under 2 January 1637, it mentions Thomas Little! He must be the Thomas Little who married Anna Warren, 2nd-born daughter of Richard Warren and Elizabeth Walker. Oh, shame on Thomas! Their daughter Hannah was born about 1637, and you mean to tell me that Thomas Little "dared" to mingle with the guys who would drink a bit of the barley water? I also descend from Hannah and it doesn't bother me at all to read such stories. They were just ordinary people but they did have their religious beliefs and tried to live a good life. If anyone finds any more, just let us know! Lois Kortering -------------------------------

That is one way. The other way is if in your tools on "sending" you can turn that off and it won't include the email to which you are replying. Third way is when you reply just highlight down and CUT. Before you send. BUT you'll never get that to happen because people don't even change the subject lines that go on endlessly and in the body of the email the subject has now changed 5 times. People are prone to just hit the REPLY key and never notice that sometimes depending on the list..... it goes TO the list or it goes TO the individual personally, that is why private things end up on the lists. Nice thought. The problem with creating a new email is often you don't know to whom they are replying unless you can see the previous email. I think it is a lose lose situation somehow. Janean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope no one will take offense, but I think we can assume that when anyone asks on the list for help, those people with relevant books will check them. There are hundreds of us on this list. I submit that we don't need to start sending in our personal library catalogs.

Please all, accept m apologies beforehand for being off subject. Will the person whose father was illegitimate and used different names please contact me. I desperatly need your advice concerning my father. Thank you. Marianne [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (Karen Sullivan) 2. Mayflower question (M.E.Sorensen) 3. Re: Mayflower question - checking for previously approved lineage (Sue Roser) 4. Re: Mayflower question (joyce moore) 5. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (joyce moore) 6. Re: General - P.S. to Kess about this board... (Luana Johnson) 7. Re: Message from the administrator (Lois Kortering) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:47:38 -0500 From: "Karen Sullivan" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Janeen, I used an affidavit in place of a birth certificate for my membership application, and it was accepted. I wish you the best of luck. And for those who think that us Mayflower guys and gals have our noses up in the air: There are a lot of Mayflower descendants both here in the U.S. and in other countries, and the only difference is that the society members have done some research to prove it. We don't believe we're better, worse, or different. We just know family stuff. Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janean Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his later life. However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, death certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an array of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been given pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture of which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to join. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of L.L. Scott Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. Your story and mine are very similar, but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. I love doing family history. I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. My dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the Saints :-) They were all humans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MsTigerHawk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others >I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm >better >than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just >tracing >their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted into >the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time >when >this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >who my father was. > > Colleen Morse > Minnesota ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:17:11 -0500 From: "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> Subject: [MFLR] Mayflower question To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver book, and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her birth record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people who have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:32:43 -0500 From: "Sue Roser" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question - checking for previously approved lineage To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" M.E. asked: I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver book, and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her birth record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people who have joined and their ancestors? ______________________ Over 75,000 persons have joined the Society since its inception in 1897. All of those who have joined, and their lineages, are indexed in files at the Mayflower Society headquarters. Therefore it is possible to send a synopsis of your line to them and they will check to see if they have a previously approved, well documented paper which matches yours. If one is found, you will be sent a copy and will be able to use the sources from that paper, up to the point where your lines branch off. The cost is $10. [Note that the copy you are sent will have the member's information blanked out, as well as that for living persons in the lineage.] This can be extremely helpful to those who are beginning the task of documenting their line for membership. A synopsis should be similar to the form found at www.mayflower.org - in fact, print this out, fill it out and mail it along with the fee to: General Society of Mayflower Descendants P.O.Box 3297, Plymouth, MA 02361. Best of luck! Susan E. Roser, Historian Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) From: joyce moore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You said it was in the Silver Books. Which one? I have the Bradford book that covers the first 7 generations but Phoebe or Phillip are not mentioned in the book. I have a Mayflower line that goes through Mary Kellogg Terry to William Bradford so I know the Terry family are descendants. Mary descends from Ephraim Terry who married Ann Collins. Joyce Moore "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> wrote: I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver book, and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her birth record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people who have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:15:04 -0800 (PST) From: joyce moore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Do you by any chance have a brother or a male relative who could do a DNA test if that is the male line? It is proving to be very effective. It is also providing some real surprises. One of my very English lines turned out to be Semitic. That was a shocker. Does anyone know if anyone is doing DNA studies on the Mayflower descendants? That might prove to be interesting also. I keep hearing how there are millions of descendants, but I wonder. In my case there are 11 or 12 generations back to William Bradford, and I know Major William, who was my ancestor twice, had 15 children, but only one other child had any descendants. I am not being a snob but sometimes I wonder if that isn't tossed out to try to make those of us who are descendants feel insignificant. They try to downplay the role the Mayflower had on America and make us out as the descendants of blood thirsty ner do wells. Joyce Moore Janean <[email protected]> wrote: Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his later life. However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, death certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an array of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been given pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture of which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to join. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of L.L. Scott Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. Your story and mine are very similar, but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. I love doing family history. I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. My dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the Saints :-) They were all humans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MsTigerHawk" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others >I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm better >than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just tracing >their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted into >the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time when >this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >who my father was. > > Colleen Morse > Minnesota ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:29 -0700 From: "Luana Johnson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original To anyone on the Mayflower list. I have the following Silver Books and will gladly do lookups for anyone who asks. I also have the pink George Soule Books. Please email me privately at the address below with your lookups. I have also added a few other books that are sources of info that I will do lookups in. John ALDEN Book #16 Myles STANDISH Book #14 James CHILTON & Richard MORE Book #15 Richard WARREN Book #18 - Parts 1, 2, & 3 George SOULE - Pink Books - First Edition - Part One; First Edition - Part Two; Thrid Edition Robert BARTLETT of the "ANNE" and his Descendants of Four Generations compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants William BRADFORD of the "MAYFLOWER" and his Descendants for Four Generations compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, FASG. Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants Mayflower Increasings 2nd Edition by Susan E. Roser The Nash Family of Weymouth, Massachusetts by Richard H. Benson I also have some of the New England Historical & Genealogical Register Books Volumes 152 thru 156 Lu JOHNSON [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janean " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... >I believe the responses you have seen to the original poster were AS I DID > only a response to HIS question. Or she, can't remember. Someone asked > how > to deal with something and a couple people answered HIS/HER question. No > one was speaking I believe in an uppity way ESPECIALLY ME because I too > came > into this list thinking the same thing and have learned on here you pretty > much have to just keep your mouth shut because those ON this list that > have > been here for some who have Mayflower descendants to take GREAT pride in > that esteem like they are blue blood or some kind of royalty. > > I'm going to get it about this but maybe those who act that way will take > these emails to heart. YES we are all here to discus our Mayflower > ancestors but sometimes I think...... if they are already documented why > keep beating a dead horse... no pun intended. Aren't we all here to learn > and ask questions and try to get help from those of you AND me who have > the > books that can do some lookups for people????? That's what all the other > lists are doing is helping people and sharing information. No one is > asking > you to hand over YOUR hard work. Everyone has to prove their own lines > but > how are we ever able to build the memberships and ancestry of the > Mayflower > lines if we don't help those seeking to prove their lines. > > Ok there's my soapbox for the day. So let's take this NOW OFF LINE. > I just didn't want to see these two poor people get blasted by the members > of this list and totally prove their points. Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > > Hello again, I just made a post about how I do not "feel worthy enough" to > be on this board. > > Well, I would like to make a suggestion........ > > If you all desire to complain about some un-deserving people, would you > kindly email each other humbly and privately, with respect, instead of > making > this list seem uppity and unwilling to help people like myself ? > sometimes a > "tid-bit" of info is a great help to us. > > Other people will see the GOSSIP that is happening on this list, and will > leave this board. > > Yes, you all should be proud of finding your family lines back to the > Mayflower. > > But PLEASE stop the gossip, and talk privately between yourselves if you > have a problem "handling people". > > Respectfully and Sincerely, > Darlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:58:57 -0500 From: "Lois Kortering" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the administrator To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > > "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in > 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." > > Thanks! > -- > Craig Rich > Administrator Craig....... ..........it appears as though the problem is that you have issued this "Off Topic" warning much before I, myself, ever received any of the Mayflower Mailing List postings to which you are objecting! Why IS that? I know that there is no practical way for us to respond and "hope" that our response will be seen at the correct time, but this is ridiculous! What? Is it the ISPs? There is definitely something going on, because I keep getting messages telling me that my e-mails could not be delivered, because there is "no such address!" I live just blocks away from the latest person to which I was sending e-mails and saw that person three times yesterday in person, and that person told me that my e-mails DID get through! So, something is definitely going on in the "E-World," or these things would not be happening. There is nothing wrong with these few people sensing or feeling that they are being treated like 2nd-class citizens. If they feel that way, none of us can tell them that they should not FEEL that way! They have a right to their own emotions! I suspect the big problem is still the fact that the Message Boards are "Gatewayed" to the Mailing List. I suggest that this has to change and the message boards have to be kept separate from the mailing lists. That never made sense to me, and it still does not make sense to me. No one is certain of responding to the correct posting, and most of us get double responses. It makes no sense at all! I, for one, have been enjoying the conversations between Dr. Jeremy Bangs--who even confessed that he DID make a "Boo-Boo" because he thought he was sending a personal e-mail, but it went out to the entire world!--and the other people who were talking about the upcoming documentary, "Desperate Crossing" Sunday night on the History Channel. I am happy that Dr. Jeremy Bangs made such a mistake! I don't believe that the ordinary person would not recognize and respect people who are educated, especially the educated and decent people on this Mailing List. Most people who are educated and humane are very understanding, and the problem is pure "Semantics," to which we could chalk up the entire problem in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in our own government! Very few of us know what it is like to live a life of being an "illegitimate child" or being an "adopted child" and never knowing one's true biological family, which makes me cringe when I type the words! Why wouldn't anyone want to help someone in those situations, and from where I sit, help was offered on this mailing list! Sitting here on the sidelines, reading some of the e-mails, which came to me late and AFTER you jumped in here, I want to say, "What? What?" What are you talking about? There is nothing wrong! As a researcher, nothing pleases me more that to trace the family tree of someone who was adopted and is determined to find his or her birth parents. I have done it more than a few times, and there is no better reward for me than to have one more young person who thinks of me as their birth mother that they never had a chance to meet! Craig, the MFLR Mailing List is going along just fine and people have been behaving like good human beings! That is the one thing I am proud of..........being a direct descendant of two ordinary human beings who came here on the Mayflower: 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; 2. Richard Warren, of whom there is not much known, but he sure had a lot of wonderful descendants, and he sure waited for his wife and his five daughters to arrive on the ship Anne two years later! Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Rich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [MFLR] Message from the administrator > ....and, let's make that the last word on this "off-topic" topic. > Remember, to be on topic, your message must be: > > "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in > 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." > > Thanks! > -- > Craig Rich > Administrator > Mayflower mailing list > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: [email protected] > >> >> If those of you who are too proud of your Mayflower lineage, I suggest >> you >> take eat some humble-pie. Remember that when the Pilgrims came here on >> the >> Mayflower, they were gentle Christians starting their own new lives here. >> >> Thank you for taking these messages with the gentle-ness that they are >> meant >> to be. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the MAYFLOWER list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the MAYFLOWER mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 ****************************************

I have # 12 - Francis Cooke, all the Warren Volumes - # 18, the Chilton-Moore Volume # 15 and the Richard Church Pink book. Dianne

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And I have #17 Isaac Allerton. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Luana Johnson Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... To anyone on the Mayflower list. I have the following Silver Books and will gladly do lookups for anyone who asks. I also have the pink George Soule Books. Please email me privately at the address below with your lookups. I have also added a few other books that are sources of info that I will do lookups in. John ALDEN Book #16 Myles STANDISH Book #14 James CHILTON & Richard MORE Book #15 Richard WARREN Book #18 - Parts 1, 2, & 3 George SOULE - Pink Books - First Edition - Part One; First Edition - Part Two; Thrid Edition Robert BARTLETT of the "ANNE" and his Descendants of Four Generations compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants William BRADFORD of the "MAYFLOWER" and his Descendants for Four Generations compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, FASG. Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants Mayflower Increasings 2nd Edition by Susan E. Roser The Nash Family of Weymouth, Massachusetts by Richard H. Benson I also have some of the New England Historical & Genealogical Register Books Volumes 152 thru 156 Lu JOHNSON [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janean " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... >I believe the responses you have seen to the original poster were AS I DID > only a response to HIS question. Or she, can't remember. Someone asked > how > to deal with something and a couple people answered HIS/HER question. No > one was speaking I believe in an uppity way ESPECIALLY ME because I too > came > into this list thinking the same thing and have learned on here you pretty > much have to just keep your mouth shut because those ON this list that > have > been here for some who have Mayflower descendants to take GREAT pride in > that esteem like they are blue blood or some kind of royalty. > > I'm going to get it about this but maybe those who act that way will take > these emails to heart. YES we are all here to discus our Mayflower > ancestors but sometimes I think...... if they are already documented why > keep beating a dead horse... no pun intended. Aren't we all here to learn > and ask questions and try to get help from those of you AND me who have > the > books that can do some lookups for people????? That's what all the other > lists are doing is helping people and sharing information. No one is > asking > you to hand over YOUR hard work. Everyone has to prove their own lines > but > how are we ever able to build the memberships and ancestry of the > Mayflower > lines if we don't help those seeking to prove their lines. > > Ok there's my soapbox for the day. So let's take this NOW OFF LINE. > I just didn't want to see these two poor people get blasted by the members > of this list and totally prove their points. Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > > Hello again, I just made a post about how I do not "feel worthy enough" to > be on this board. > > Well, I would like to make a suggestion........ > > If you all desire to complain about some un-deserving people, would you > kindly email each other humbly and privately, with respect, instead of > making > this list seem uppity and unwilling to help people like myself ? > sometimes a > "tid-bit" of info is a great help to us. > > Other people will see the GOSSIP that is happening on this list, and will > leave this board. > > Yes, you all should be proud of finding your family lines back to the > Mayflower. > > But PLEASE stop the gossip, and talk privately between yourselves if you > have a problem "handling people". > > Respectfully and Sincerely, > Darlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. I appreciate your help. M.E. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Dunell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 > Please all, accept m apologies beforehand for being off subject. Will the > person whose father was illegitimate and used different names please > contact me. I desperatly need your advice concerning my father. Thank you. > Marianne [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (Karen Sullivan) > 2. Mayflower question (M.E.Sorensen) > 3. Re: Mayflower question - checking for previously approved > lineage (Sue Roser) > 4. Re: Mayflower question (joyce moore) > 5. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (joyce moore) > 6. Re: General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > (Luana Johnson) > 7. Re: Message from the administrator (Lois Kortering) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:47:38 -0500 > From: "Karen Sullivan" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Janeen, > > I used an affidavit in place of a birth certificate for my membership > application, and it was accepted. I wish you the best of luck. And for > those who think that us Mayflower guys and gals have our noses up in the > air: There are a lot of Mayflower descendants both here in the U.S. and > in > other countries, and the only difference is that the society members have > done some research to prove it. We don't believe we're better, worse, or > different. We just know family stuff. > > Karen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Janean > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > > > Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am > happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his > later life. > > However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the > 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, > death > certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an > array > of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. > > I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct > parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those > people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. > > At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete > proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. > > We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was > given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been > given > pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture > of > which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. > > Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to > join. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of L.L. Scott > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > > Your story and mine are very similar, > but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. I love > doing family history. I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. My > dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the > Saints :-) > They were all humans. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MsTigerHawk" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others > > >>I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm >>better > >>than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just >>tracing >>their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted >>into > >>the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time >>when >>this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >>Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >>who my father was. >> >> Colleen Morse >> Minnesota > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:17:11 -0500 > From: "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MFLR] Mayflower question > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my > grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver > book, > and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know > when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her > birth > record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of > DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined > on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people > who > have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] > ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:32:43 -0500 > From: "Sue Roser" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question - checking for previously > approved lineage > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > M.E. asked: > > I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my > grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver > book, > > and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know > when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her > birth > > record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of > DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined > on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people > who > > have joined and their ancestors? > ______________________ > > Over 75,000 persons have joined the Society since its inception in 1897. > All > of those who have joined, and their lineages, are indexed in files at the > Mayflower Society headquarters. Therefore it is possible to send a > synopsis > of your line to them and they will check to see if they have a previously > approved, well documented paper which matches yours. If one is found, you > will be sent a copy and will be able to use the sources from that paper, > up > to the point where your lines branch off. The cost is $10. > [Note that the copy you are sent will have the member's information > blanked > out, as well as that for living persons in the lineage.] > > This can be extremely helpful to those who are beginning the task of > documenting their line for membership. > > A synopsis should be similar to the form found at www.mayflower.org - in > fact, print this out, fill it out and mail it along with the fee to: > > General Society of Mayflower Descendants > P.O.Box 3297, Plymouth, MA 02361. > > Best of luck! > > Susan E. Roser, Historian > Canadian Society > www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) > From: joyce moore <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > You said it was in the Silver Books. Which one? I have the Bradford book > that covers the first 7 generations but Phoebe or Phillip are not > mentioned in the book. I have a Mayflower line that goes through Mary > Kellogg Terry to William Bradford so I know the Terry family are > descendants. Mary descends from Ephraim Terry who married Ann Collins. > > Joyce Moore > > "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my > grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver > book, > and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know > when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her > birth > record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of > DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined > on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people > who > have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] > ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:15:04 -0800 (PST) > From: joyce moore <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Do you by any chance have a brother or a male relative who could do a DNA > test if that is the male line? It is proving to be very effective. It is > also providing some real surprises. One of my very English lines turned > out to be Semitic. That was a shocker. Does anyone know if anyone is > doing DNA studies on the Mayflower descendants? That might prove to be > interesting also. > > I keep hearing how there are millions of descendants, but I wonder. In my > case there are 11 or 12 generations back to William Bradford, and I know > Major William, who was my ancestor twice, had 15 children, but only one > other child had any descendants. I am not being a snob but sometimes I > wonder if that isn't tossed out to try to make those of us who are > descendants feel insignificant. They try to downplay the role the > Mayflower had on America and make us out as the descendants of blood > thirsty ner do wells. > > Joyce Moore > > Janean <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am > happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his > later life. > > However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the > 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, > death > certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an > array > of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. > > I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct > parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those > people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. > > At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete > proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. > > We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was > given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been > given > pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture > of > which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. > > Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to > join. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of L.L. Scott > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > > Your story and mine are very similar, > but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. > I love doing family history. > I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. > My dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the > Saints :-) > They were all humans. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MsTigerHawk" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others > > >>I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm >>better > >>than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just tracing >>their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted >>into > >>the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time when >>this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >>Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >>who my father was. >> >> Colleen Morse >> Minnesota > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:29 -0700 > From: "Luana Johnson" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this > board... > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > To anyone on the Mayflower list. I have the following Silver Books and > will > gladly do lookups for anyone who asks. I also have the pink George Soule > Books. Please email me privately at the address below with your > lookups. > I have also added a few other books that are sources of info that I will > do > lookups in. > > John ALDEN Book #16 > Myles STANDISH Book #14 > James CHILTON & Richard MORE Book #15 > Richard WARREN Book #18 - Parts 1, 2, & 3 > George SOULE - Pink Books - First Edition - Part One; First > Edition - > Part Two; Thrid Edition > > Robert BARTLETT of the "ANNE" and his Descendants of Four Generations > compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, Published by the General Society of > Mayflower Descendants > > William BRADFORD of the "MAYFLOWER" and his Descendants for Four > Generations > compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, FASG. Published by the General Society > of > Mayflower Descendants > > > Mayflower Increasings 2nd Edition by Susan E. Roser > > The Nash Family of Weymouth, Massachusetts by Richard H. Benson > > I also have some of the New England Historical & Genealogical Register > Books > Volumes 152 thru 156 > > Lu JOHNSON > [email protected] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janean " <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > > >>I believe the responses you have seen to the original poster were AS I DID >> only a response to HIS question. Or she, can't remember. Someone asked >> how >> to deal with something and a couple people answered HIS/HER question. No >> one was speaking I believe in an uppity way ESPECIALLY ME because I too >> came >> into this list thinking the same thing and have learned on here you >> pretty >> much have to just keep your mouth shut because those ON this list that >> have >> been here for some who have Mayflower descendants to take GREAT pride in >> that esteem like they are blue blood or some kind of royalty. >> >> I'm going to get it about this but maybe those who act that way will take >> these emails to heart. YES we are all here to discus our Mayflower >> ancestors but sometimes I think...... if they are already documented why >> keep beating a dead horse... no pun intended. Aren't we all here to >> learn >> and ask questions and try to get help from those of you AND me who have >> the >> books that can do some lookups for people????? That's what all the >> other >> lists are doing is helping people and sharing information. No one is >> asking >> you to hand over YOUR hard work. Everyone has to prove their own lines >> but >> how are we ever able to build the memberships and ancestry of the >> Mayflower >> lines if we don't help those seeking to prove their lines. >> >> Ok there's my soapbox for the day. So let's take this NOW OFF LINE. >> I just didn't want to see these two poor people get blasted by the >> members >> of this list and totally prove their points. Janean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:05 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... >> >> Hello again, I just made a post about how I do not "feel worthy enough" >> to >> be on this board. >> >> Well, I would like to make a suggestion........ >> >> If you all desire to complain about some un-deserving people, would you >> kindly email each other humbly and privately, with respect, instead of >> making >> this list seem uppity and unwilling to help people like myself ? >> sometimes a >> "tid-bit" of info is a great help to us. >> >> Other people will see the GOSSIP that is happening on this list, and will >> leave this board. >> >> Yes, you all should be proud of finding your family lines back to the >> Mayflower. >> >> But PLEASE stop the gossip, and talk privately between yourselves if you >> have a problem "handling people". >> >> Respectfully and Sincerely, >> Darlene >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:58:57 -0500 > From: "Lois Kortering" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the administrator > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >> >> "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in >> 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Craig Rich >> Administrator > > > Craig....... > > ..........it appears as though the problem is that you have issued this > "Off > Topic" warning much before I, myself, ever received any of the Mayflower > Mailing List postings to which you are objecting! Why IS that? I know > that > there is no practical way for us to respond and "hope" that our response > will be seen at the correct time, but this is ridiculous! What? Is it > the > ISPs? There is definitely something going on, because I keep getting > messages telling me that my e-mails could not be delivered, because there > is > "no such address!" I live just blocks away from the latest person to > which > I was sending e-mails and saw that person three times yesterday in person, > and that person told me that my e-mails DID get through! So, something is > definitely going on in the "E-World," or these things would not be > happening. There is nothing wrong with these few people sensing or > feeling > that they are being treated like 2nd-class citizens. If they feel that > way, > none of us can tell them that they should not FEEL that way! They have a > right to their own emotions! > > I suspect the big problem is still the fact that the Message Boards are > "Gatewayed" to the Mailing List. I suggest that this has to change and > the > message boards have to be kept separate from the mailing lists. That > never > made sense to me, and it still does not make sense to me. No one is > certain > of responding to the correct posting, and most of us get double responses. > It makes no sense at all! > > I, for one, have been enjoying the conversations between Dr. Jeremy > Bangs--who even confessed that he DID make a "Boo-Boo" because he thought > he > was sending a personal e-mail, but it went out to the entire world!--and > the > other people who were talking about the upcoming documentary, "Desperate > Crossing" Sunday night on the History Channel. I am happy that Dr. Jeremy > Bangs made such a mistake! I don't believe that the ordinary person would > not recognize and respect people who are educated, especially the educated > and decent people on this Mailing List. Most people who are educated and > humane are very understanding, and the problem is pure "Semantics," to > which > we could chalk up the entire problem in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in our own > government! > > Very few of us know what it is like to live a life of being an > "illegitimate > child" or being an "adopted child" and never knowing one's true biological > family, which makes me cringe when I type the words! Why wouldn't anyone > want to help someone in those situations, and from where I sit, help was > offered on this mailing list! Sitting here on the sidelines, reading some > of the e-mails, which came to me late and AFTER you jumped in here, I want > to say, "What? What?" What are you talking about? There is nothing > wrong! > As a researcher, nothing pleases me more that to trace the family tree of > someone who was adopted and is determined to find his or her birth > parents. > I have done it more than a few times, and there is no better reward for me > than to have one more young person who thinks of me as their birth mother > that they never had a chance to meet! > > Craig, the MFLR Mailing List is going along just fine and people have been > behaving like good human beings! That is the one thing I am proud > of..........being a direct descendant of two ordinary human beings who > came > here on the Mayflower: > > 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for > holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; > 2. Richard Warren, of whom there is not much known, but he sure had a lot > of wonderful descendants, and he sure waited for his wife and his five > daughters to arrive on the ship Anne two years later! > > Lois Kortering > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Rich" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: [MFLR] Message from the administrator > > >> ....and, let's make that the last word on this "off-topic" topic. >> Remember, to be on topic, your message must be: >> >> "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in >> 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Craig Rich >> Administrator >> Mayflower mailing list >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: [email protected] >> >>> >>> If those of you who are too proud of your Mayflower lineage, I suggest >>> you >>> take eat some humble-pie. Remember that when the Pilgrims came here on >>> the >>> Mayflower, they were gentle Christians starting their own new lives >>> here. >>> >>> Thank you for taking these messages with the gentle-ness that they are >>> meant >>> to be. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MAYFLOWER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MAYFLOWER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 > **************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is intended mainly for the list administrator. Is there a way to eliminate the second and third repetitions of e-mails being answered. For those of us receiving the list digest, we are now wading through dozens of lines of previous messages to find new information. Possibly it would help if folks not use the Reply key on their keyboards but instead create an entirely new message when responding. Thanks.

Thank you. I was running his name through www.genealogybank.com and came up with a few hits but without a date to verify, it could obviously have been someone else with the same name. I'll do a bit more research on his name and date to see if there's anything that comes up about him. (no, I have no clue if I'm related to him or not as my own research is going slow because I'm insisting on being as thorough as possible). Stubby :) [email protected] wrote: Stubby, Stephen Hopkins died sometime between June 1644 and July 17, 1644 at Plymouth.... r/Steven Mitchell -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: StubbyTate > When did Stephen Hopkins die? > > Stubby > > [email protected] wrote: > > > 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for > > holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; > > > Lois Kortering > > We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above > tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved data on > Stephen..... > > Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and accurate > writings regarding our Stephen? > > Thank you. > r/Steven Mitchell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Not to nitpick or anything, but not only is the below link (http://nhcs.k12.in.us/staff/pbortka/studentwork/arthistory/Rockwell/rockwell.html) not a "good" link anymore, but the "official site" for Norman Rockwell (http://www.normanrockwell.com/about/biography.htm) spells his middle name "Percevel"... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wing" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Norman P Rockwell artist for Saturday Evening Post > Correct line from Constance Hopkins > > Stephen Hopkins, Constance Hopkins, Stephen Snow, Micajah Snow, John Snow, William Snow, Hannah Snow, Esther Crosby, Jarvis > Augustus Waring, Phebe Boyce Waring, Jarvis Waring Rockwell, Norman Perceval Rockwell > > also please note the spelling of Norman's middle name (which was also incorrect in my original post) Some of his biography > (including this spelling of his middle name) came from > > http://nhcs.k12.in.us/staff/pbortka/studentwork/arthistory/Rockwell/rockwell.html > > Raymond T. Wing > Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA] > www.wingfamily.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Polly, The latest one I have is vol. 23, part 1 - 4 generations of children Lydia, Hannah, Joseph, Jabez, Ruth and Isaac which was published earlier this year. (Elizabeth White's first two books cover John and Desire.) I haven't heard about the others, but it was my understanding that Hope might be next. Susan www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of polly shaw Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Howland Bnnk There was supposed to be a new Howland book out this past spring through his daughter Elizabeth. Does anyone know the status of that? -- polly

I would be interested in any lines that bring William Brewster through the Sears (i.e., William/Patience/Mercy Prence/Thomas Freeman/Mercy Freeman/Joshua Sears etc. What has been proven with the Joshua Sears line on down? Thank you. Janet If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. - George Bernard Shaw Researching Beckington/McDougall/Court/Hazelton/Pierce/Lane/Rhoades/Hitchcock Abbot/Ballard/Green/Graves/Chapman/Chandler/Tibbetts/Smith/Wells/Whittemore

Thanks for the info re the Mayflower connections of Norman Rockwell. However, looks like you skipped a few generations, at least in the lineage from Stephen Hopkins via Constance... You might want to doublecheck them all tho, so no one else gets stuck in the loop of "genealogy database hell" trying to correct relationships, as I did when I first entered the (incorrect) Hopkins lineage from Constance (Stephen's child who is my ancestor), then went to add the one from William Brewster (also one of my Mayflower ancestors), and realized there was a problem (of course, had I verified elsewhere FIRST, this would not have happened to me...)! :-) Thanks. Kathy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathy Fenton Virginia Beach, VA (Descendant of Alden/Mullins, Brewster, Doty, Edward Fuller, Hopkins, Howland/Tilley, Rogers, Samson, and Standish) http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/f/e/n/K-Fenton/index.html Recycle yourself! Tell someone you want to be an organ and tissue donor! http://save7lives.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Wing" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Norman P Rockwell artist for Saturday Evening Post > Below is the basic lines from both Stephen Hopkins and William Brewster to Norman Percival Rockwell (the illustrator). I do > not show a Francis Cooke line for him. > > Stephen Hopkins, Giles Hopkins, Stephen Hopkins, Samuel Hopkins, Reliance Hopkins, Abner Crosby, Thomas Crosby, Esther > Crosby, Jarvis Augustus Waring, Phebe Boyce Waring, Jarvis Waring Rockwell, Norman Percival Rockwell > > Stephen Hopkins, Constance Hopkins, Stephen Snow, Micajah Snow, John Snow, William Snow, Hannah Snow, Esther Crosby, Jarvis > Waring Rockwell, Norman Percival Rockwell > > Stephen Hopkins, Giles Hopkins, Abigail Hopkins, Nathaniel Merrick, Hannah Myrick, William Snow, Esther Crosby, Jarvis > Waring Rockwell, Norman Percival Rockwell > > William Brewster, Patience Brewster, Mercy Prence, Thomas Freeman, Rebecca Freeman, Phebe Wing, Ruth Foster, Thomas Crosby, > Esther Crosby, Jarvis Augustus Waring, Phebe Boyce Waring, Jarvis Waring Rockwell, Norman Percival Rockwell > > I would be interested to know if Norman Rockwell has other Mayflower lines as well. > > Raymond T. Wing > Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA} > www.wingfamily.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When did Stephen Hopkins die? Stubby [email protected] wrote: > > 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for > holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; > > Lois Kortering We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved data on Stephen..... Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and accurate writings regarding our Stephen? Thank you. r/Steven Mitchell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.