In a message dated 11/15/2006 10:40:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Seth Fuller's father was Samuel Fuller III, b. 1624, who married either Elizabeth Brewster and/or Mary/Mercy Eaton (?) b. 1627, d. 1650. Samuel Fuller III is somehow connected to Samuel Fuller and Bridget Lee, then to Peregrine White Darlene: I think you need to check out some of the Silver books to get your line of descent correct along with dates. For this part I think you have some of your facts misplaced. Seth Fuller, born 30 Aug 1692 in Plymouth was married to Sarah Wright. Seth's father, Samuel Fuller was born about 1658 in Plymouth and was married to Mercy Eaton. Mercy's parents were Samuel Eaton and Martha Billington. Martha's father was Francis Billington - Mayflower and Christian Penn. Samuel Eaton's father was Francis Eaton - Mayflower and Sarah ____. Now to Samuel Fuller who married Mercy Eaton, his father was Samuel Fuller and Mrs. ___ Fuller. This Samuel Fuller was the son of Samuel Fuller - Mayflower and Bridget Lee. I suggest you recheck your line of descent, first by starting with yourself and working backwards until you make the connection to your Mayflower line rather than starting with a suspected Mayflower passenger and trying to make your connection to it from the top. Doesn't quite work that way. The dates you are providing and the names doesn't appear, at least to me it doesn't, to make the leap of faith you seem to have in proving your Fuller connection. It also appears to me at least that you are trying to mesh bits and pieces of several family lines in order to make a total link or connection. At this point, I don't think it really works. Now, if anyone else can put the pieces together from what you have provided, then please do so. Christie Trapp

Hi, I am interested in any info. that you are willing to supply in regards to "Remember Allerton". I am a descendant of Remember (Isaac. Allerton). Sincerely, Frank Nagy ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.M. McAllister" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: [MFLR] Allerton & Cushman Genealogy > Dear Co-Researchers, > > Just a friendly note to say that I will be glad to exchange ideas, > genealogy and other data on the two subject lines that I have been > researching for some 35 years. I have several related publications that > may be a source of further info. Any interested > parties of the two names please let me hear. > > S. Maurice McAllister > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a heads up to let you know that the movie, "Plymouth Adventure", with Spencer Tracy, will be showing Saturday on Turner Classic Movies (TCM). Here in northeastern Connecticut the air time is noon. Karen Flanders Eddy Howland, Tilley, Warren, Alden, Mullins

Christie, The names of all of the Howland children are given in the first volume, however only Desire is carried forward for five generations. The second volume gives son John for five generations and again, all of the children are named, but only John is carried further. I suspect Elizabeth Howland (m. 1) Ephraim Hicks, 2) John Dickenson) has been a difficult line to trace which is why it is taking so long. Susan www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html In a message dated 11/14/2006 5:37:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The latest one I have is vol. 23, part 1 - 4 generations of children Lydia, Hannah, Joseph, Jabez, Ruth and Isaac which was published earlier this year. (Elizabeth White's first two books cover John and Desire.) I haven't heard about the others, but it was my understanding that Hope might be next. Susan Susan: Elizabeth was carried in the very first volume even though it was suppose to only be John and Desire. She is child four and I found her in that volume with a line of descent. Christie Trapp

Christie, We're interested in what you have on Stephen Hopkins...we are descended from him as follows: Stephen & Mary Constance Hopkins - Nicholas Snow Mary Snow - Thomas Paine Elisha Paine - Rebecca Doane Mary Paine - Robert Freeman Elisha Freeman - Mary Vincent Elizabeth Freeman - Abram Calkins Clarissa Calkins - Francis Swartwout Francis Swartwout Jr - Lydia Nettleton Mahala Swartwout - Arthur Shearer Rena Shearer - John David Mathews Chester Mathews - Dorothy Neely Thank you. r/Steven -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > For anyone's FYI - I have almost the complete set of the Silver Books from > volume 1 through 22 plus the two privately printed Howland books. I also have > the Soule, Brewster, Church and Doty pink books, the Delano green books and > in the white books I have Francis Cook and Robert Bartlett. I also have the > Cushman volume that was recently revised in 2005. > > HOWEVER, I'm MISSING the new Bradford and the new Howland volumes and I > don't have some of the recent updates of the published volumes (those > republished > as a revised edition past say 2004), but what I have will basically be okay > to use for purposes of the various lineages. > > Christie Trapp > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I don't have any of the Fuller books, but I do have Vol. 13 of the silver books, William White. The Mercy Gray m(1) Thomas Sears and had Samuel, Sarah, and Allen. She m(2) Thomas White by whom she had (surname White) Sylvia, Ruth, Bersalah/Priscilla, Marcy, Thomas, and Isaiah Gray White. No daughter Elizabeth is listed. Additionally, on page 2, it says that Susanna (--?--) (White) Winslow was not the sister of Dr. Samuel Fuller as is often claimed. Samuel and Edward Fuller who came on the Mayflower were sons of Robert Fuller of Redenhall, England who had no daughter Susanna. He did have a daughter Anna but she was 17 yrs older than Edward Winslow. In any case, in 1623 Winslow sent a letter regarding Susanna to "Uncle Robert Jackson" in which he sent regards to his father-in-law in England. Robert Fuller died in 1614, 6 years before the departure of the Mayflower. I wish I had better news. If I misunderstood your query, I'm sorry. Robert Luce Wednesday, November 15, 2006, 10:38:40 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Seth Wheaton, Sr., b. abt 1800, married Sarah Sears Ketchum (Sears was her > middle name, named after her grand-mother Elizabeth Sears b. in 1748 in CT, > died 1821 m Ketchum?) > (could Elizabeth Sears be "Mercy Gray's (b. 1730) daughter who married (2) > Thomas White (b. died 1821 Kingston, Kings Co., New Brunswick. > > now on with the Wheaton-Fuller connection.... > Seth Wheaton, Sr.'s father was Ephriam Wheaton who moved to Canada just > before Rev. War, but I am unsure if he is from NY, CT or MASS. Ephriam Wheaton > had two wives > (both named Mary). > > Ephriam married Mary Fuller (unsure if this was his first or 2nd wife, and I > do NOT know last name of his 2nd wife) > > Mary Fuller's father was Ephraim Fuller, > > Ephraim Fuller's father was SETH FULLER, b. 1730 (where?) d.(?) m. (?) > > Seth Fuller's father was Samuel Fuller III, b. 1624, who married either > Elizabeth Brewster and/or Mary/Mercy Eaton (?) b. 1627, d. 1650. > > Samuel Fuller III is somehow connected to Samuel Fuller and Bridget Lee, > then to Peregrine White > > Respectfully and thank you, > Darlene -- Robert Luce <[email protected]> Il faut supporter deux ou trois chenilles si on veut connaître les papillons -Antoine de Saint Exupéry

David Carver (1669-1727) and Ruth Whitmarsh (1677-). Does anyone have her date of death and place? I can probably make the presumption that it was in Canterbury, Windham, CT, but I have nothing listed. I have three children listed for this couple. They may have had more, but I've only got three in my database. Ruth Sarah Samuel In Kendall Mellem's Descendants of William Ford, which is a working draft by the author as of 2002 and I believe it was also recorded on the following website: _http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/report/rr01/rr01_041_ (http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/report/rr01/rr01_041) which covers the family of Millicent Ford and John Carver Family they say that Ruth was born Dec 10, 1700. Gave no date for Sarah and gave Samuel as Nov. 4, 1704. On the website it had this to say about Sarah: Sarah, perhaps identical with Ruth, d. 9 Aug. 1731, m. 2 Mar 1720 Rev. Solomon Paine (b. 1698 in Eastham, MA, lived at Canterbury, CT, minister of the Separatist Church, d. 1754). Now, in Hopkins 6:177 it gives Sarah Carver who married Solomon Paine to be Ruth and provides a date of birth in Weymouth as 14 Dec. 1701, gives date of death as 9 Aug 1731 and being the daughter of David and Ruth (Whitmarsh) Carver. It also has this to say about Ruth: Prob. scrivener's error is the reference to her as "Sarah" in rec. of bp. of eldest child. I don't know who scrivener is, unless it is really using the word as a term that means transcriber's error rather than as some author. Any help on this word? If the date of birth for Ruth is 1700 and Sarah is 1701, how can there be any confusion? They are clearly a year apart. However, if it is a transcription error and that Ruth was Sarah or visa versa and they are actually one and the same person, does that mean that I should eliminate the name as Sarah in my database as a member of the family and use Ruth for the wife of Solomon Paine with an aka as Sarah so that this will correspond with other sources which reference Ruth as Sarah? This would then reduce the number of children of David and Ruth to just Ruth and Samuel. What does the Weymouth VR have to say? In the death record for Ruth/Sarah as the wife of Solomon Paine, what does it say? Does anyone have more children for David Carver and Ruth Whitmarsh besides Ruth/Sarah and Samuel? If so, would like to have those so I can add to my database. Christie Trapp

Darlene: Looking at your message RE: Fuller , I cut in at the Seth Fuller point to check out what the Edward Fuller silver book may have to offer. Let's begin with your comment { { {"Ephraim Fuller's father was SETH FULLER, b. 1730 (where?) d.(?) m. (?)" } } } There are three Seth Fullers in the Fuller index. Seth 1 was born in 1705 and is the sixth generation of family number 165. Seth 2 was born in 1736 and is a sixth gen member of family number 57. Seth 3 was born in 1734 and is a sixth generation member of famiy number 152. The Silver books tabulate Mayflower Families through Five Generations. Looking for an Ephrain Fuller with a daughter Mary; there are four mentions of Ephraim Fuller in the Fuller index. 1. Family #47, note on property deed. 2. Family #164, fifth gen, no descendants shown. 3. Family# 194, fifth gen same conclusion. 4. Family # 198, no daughter Mary. {{{Samuel Fuller III is somehow connected to Samuel Fuller and Bridget Lee, then to Peregrine White}}} There is no mention of Peregrine White nor Bridiget Lee in the Fuller family index. Techinally there is no Samuel Fuller III. Samuel Fuller was the younger son of Pilgrim Edward Fuller, family #1. However Samuel was aloso a passenger on the Mayflower therefore he follows the older brother Matthew to become family #3. Samuel had a son Samuel who became family #9. This Samuel family #9 married cousin Anne Fuller. They had no son named Samuel. There is another possibility which your historians may have included. Matthew Fuller, Family #2 had a son Samuel which would make him Fuller gen 3. There are many Samuel Fullers listed later. You may want to contact the Fuller Society to discuss your Fuller genealogy further with the current historian.. They are far ahead of most of us in Edward Fuller history. Regards, JC3

Hi, a New book is out the "Mayflower Maid",a fictional account of the Pilgrims. Through one of its passengers Dorothy, the maid. Millions of proud Americans believe they know the story of the Pilgrim Fathers. The Mayflower Maid is the novel that will make them believe they never knew it at all. This heroic story of love is set against the back drop of turbulent times. A time of persecution for a group of people known in English History as 'The Separatists' but to Americans as The Pilgrim Fathers. The novel is set , vividly, amongst real locations such as Scrooby, the magnificent medieval manor house of Gainsborough Old Hall and Boston Guild Hall Prison in Boston, Lincolnshire. Step back with us in time for this gripping adventure. From the early 1600's when The Maid is just a girl to her adventures on the run with the Scrooby Separatists later known as The Pilgrim Fathers. Written by new English author, Susan Allan, in collusion with American writer, Roger Vorhauer, for the very first time a fully rounded, bi-national, ‘ un-sanitized’ epic account of true events leading up to the Mayflower’s monumentally important voyage is at last faithfully retold through the fictionalisation of the traumatic life and love of one of it’s more humble passengers, Dorothy ~ the Mayflower Maid. © Susan Allan with Roger Vorhauer 2005. On another note, thanks for all of the replies of Norman Rockwell. Scott

Hello. I am new to genealogy, only months into it, and I am trying to figure out one of our connections to the Mayflower. So far, I have my mother's hand-written notes. Would anyone please help me on this, below? I am trying to connect the below info to Samuel Fuller: There are several "twists" to this. Any help is appreciated. ---------------------- Seth Wheaton, Sr., b. abt 1800, married Sarah Sears Ketchum (Sears was her middle name, named after her grand-mother Elizabeth Sears b. in 1748 in CT, died 1821 m Ketchum?) (could Elizabeth Sears be "Mercy Gray's (b. 1730) daughter who married (2) Thomas White (b. died 1821 Kingston, Kings Co., New Brunswick. now on with the Wheaton-Fuller connection.... Seth Wheaton, Sr.'s father was Ephriam Wheaton who moved to Canada just before Rev. War, but I am unsure if he is from NY, CT or MASS. Ephriam Wheaton had two wives (both named Mary). Ephriam married Mary Fuller (unsure if this was his first or 2nd wife, and I do NOT know last name of his 2nd wife) Mary Fuller's father was Ephraim Fuller, Ephraim Fuller's father was SETH FULLER, b. 1730 (where?) d.(?) m. (?) Seth Fuller's father was Samuel Fuller III, b. 1624, who married either Elizabeth Brewster and/or Mary/Mercy Eaton (?) b. 1627, d. 1650. Samuel Fuller III is somehow connected to Samuel Fuller and Bridget Lee, then to Peregrine White Respectfully and thank you, Darlene

Also see Stratton's "Plymouth Colony." He gives much of this using the Plymouth Church Records 2 volumes as sources. Stacy Wood -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Kortering Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Steven, you caught me off guard but I found a couple of places. Look below your note. Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins >> 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for >> holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; >> > Lois Kortering > > We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above > tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved > data on Stephen..... > > Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and > accurate writings regarding our Stephen? > > Thank you. > r/Steven Mitchell --------------------------------- Steven, I found this on the Pilgrim Hall Museum website: http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ I had copied the entire "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" but did not copy the name of the website. However, I recognized the fonts used as being Pilgrim Hall Museum. Click on "Beyond the Pilgrim Story" Arrow down to Stephen Hopkins and click on Biography. See this sentence at the bottom: "How do we know about Stephen Hopkins? >From the records of the 17th century. For a look at all the 17th century records that pertain to Stephen Hopkins, click HERE." Use your Edit, and then, Find, and type "Hopkins" so you can find the two incidents that happened January 2 and October 2, which I have copied at the bottom of this e-mail. Or, this link will take you right to the page "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" http://www.pilgrimhall.org/hopkinsstephenrecords.htm --------------------------- 2 October 1637 : "Presentments, for Grand Inquest. "Mr Stephen Hopkins, first psentment, (for suffering men to drink in his house vpon the Lords day, before the meeting be ended, and also vpon the Lords day, both before 7 after the meeting, servants & others to drink more then for ordinary refreshing) is respited vntill the next Court, that the testimony of John Barnes be had therein. "Mr Steephen Hopkins, psented for suffering servants and others to sit drinkeing in his house, (contrary to the orders of this Court,) and to play at shouell board, & such like misdemeanors, is therefore fined fourty shillings." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 68. * * * 2 January 1637 : "Presentment by the Grand Jury." 1. William Reynolds is psented for being drunck at Mr Hopkins his house, that he lay vnder the table, vomitting in a beastly manner, and was taken vp betweene two. The witness hereof is Abraham Warr, als Hoop, als Pottle, and sayth that there was in company Francis Sprague, Samuell Nash, & Georg Partrich. 2. Mr Hopkins is psented for sufferinge excessiue drinking in his house, as old Palmer, James Coale, & William Renolds, John Winslow, Widdow Palmers man, Widdow Palmer, Thomas Little, witnesss & Stepheen Travy." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 75. ------------------------------ Also, Ann McGovern's delightful children's book, "If You Sailed on the Mayflower in 1620" makes no attempt to cover up or leave out the fact that when the Mayflower ship sailed it was loaded with barrels of drinking water and barrels of beer, because they knew that the water would not be fit to drink after just so many months, but the beer would still be safe to drink, so the children were served beer as a beverage with their meals. Ann McGovern tells all about the "Naughty Boy" Billington, too! There is another story about Steven Hopkins being arrested and/or fined, because he covered up the fact that one of his woman servants got pregnant and she wasn't married, but I cannot find that story right now. It seems that Hopkins wanted to help the woman and be kind to her. Stephen Hopkins also held dances at his house for the young people. I think that is just great! It's a much better idea than letting them go off into the woods or down to the beach at night! Oh, I just noticed that in the #2 incident under 2 January 1637, it mentions Thomas Little! He must be the Thomas Little who married Anna Warren, 2nd-born daughter of Richard Warren and Elizabeth Walker. Oh, shame on Thomas! Their daughter Hannah was born about 1637, and you mean to tell me that Thomas Little "dared" to mingle with the guys who would drink a bit of the barley water? I also descend from Hannah and it doesn't bother me at all to read such stories. They were just ordinary people but they did have their religious beliefs and tried to live a good life. If anyone finds any more, just let us know! Lois Kortering ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 11/14/2006 4:40:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: How do you fit into the Cushman family? In other words, how far down the line does your Cushman branch extend to you? Mine goes to my ggggrandmother. J Goldbaum Judy: Who are you asking this question of? You sent it to the MFLR list rather than to a specific person. Christie Trapp

Thank you, Christie. I will contact her. Janet

For anyone's FYI - I have almost the complete set of the Silver Books from volume 1 through 22 plus the two privately printed Howland books. I also have the Soule, Brewster, Church and Doty pink books, the Delano green books and in the white books I have Francis Cook and Robert Bartlett. I also have the Cushman volume that was recently revised in 2005. HOWEVER, I'm MISSING the new Bradford and the new Howland volumes and I don't have some of the recent updates of the published volumes (those republished as a revised edition past say 2004), but what I have will basically be okay to use for purposes of the various lineages. Christie Trapp

The reply button does not bring the previous message into the response. The only way the original message is brought into a reply is if it is highlighted before hitting the reply button. Only then is it brought into the new message as a copied message. What people forget to do when they bring in copied messages is to go back and cut out the unnecessary garbage below the subject line and any other garbage below the signature blocks and that sort of thing. I think if more people took the time to clean up a copied message there wouldn't be so many complaints. I have noticed sometimes that a copied message is also copied several times because someone has copied a copy and attached all the copies to their reply. If people would pay a bit more attention to what they are copying and leave out a lot of the garbage there wouldn't be so many problems. Christie Trapp

In a message dated 11/14/2006 5:37:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The latest one I have is vol. 23, part 1 - 4 generations of children Lydia, Hannah, Joseph, Jabez, Ruth and Isaac which was published earlier this year. (Elizabeth White's first two books cover John and Desire.) I haven't heard about the others, but it was my understanding that Hope might be next. Susan Susan: Elizabeth was carried in the very first volume even though it was suppose to only be John and Desire. She is child four and I found her in that volume with a line of descent. Christie Trapp

In a message dated 11/14/2006 5:28:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I would be interested in any lines that bring William Brewster through the Sears (i.e., William/Patience/Mercy Prence/Thomas Freeman/Mercy Freeman/Joshua Sears etc. What has been proven with the Joshua Sears line on down? Thank you. Janet Janet: Contact Susan at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) asshe has a line of descent through Joshua Sears. You might want to see what she has to say to help you with your line. Christie Trapp

[email protected] wrote: > The reply button does not bring the previous message into the response. The > only way the original message is brought into a reply is if it is > highlighted before hitting the reply button. That's only on AOL. Most if not all other mail readers ie Thunderbird, outlook etc copy the whole message when the reply or reply all button is clicked. I have manually deleted the remainder of your message. Dick Miller Hot Springs Village, AR

There is a lot of chatter on this list right now regarding how the list works, etc. A couple of very excellent contributors have recently and quietly unsubscribed in the past few days and I suspect it may be from the sheer volume of off-topic postings this month. Please remember all postings to the list must be questions or offerings about "Mayflower passengers, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." That's all. I try to run a tight ship and have found that being a bit of an ogre on this subject is the best policy. ;-) General questions and postings regarding genealogy research methods and procedures are off topic and belong on "general" genealogy lists. I do tend to allow these kinds of messages if they relate to specific Mayflower-related topics, such as Dr. Bangs comments on the upcoming movie. I am sure we also will see some comments once the movie has been aired. This is inevitable. The FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions" page for this list is at: www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm. It probably needs an update, but you should read it if you haven't done so. Questions and or messages about problems with postings, digests, etc should be sent as a private message to me and I will fix the problem. If someone doesn't like the way digests are displayed, I can change each subscriber's style with a mouse click. Just let me know. My email address is [email protected] Thanks! Oh, and responding to this message "on the list" is technically off-topic. Send me a private email if you need to. Now, on with the research! Craig Rich Mayflower list administrator Holland, Michigan/USA What I do for fun: www.michiganshipwrecks.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006

Lorna, you are absolutely correct! If I had clicked on "Reply All," then there would have been duplicate messages sent back to [email protected] PLUS, there would be the identical posting going to the Message Board. Why, now, when we click on "Reply All" doesn't one copy go to the Mailing List and the other copy go to the very person who posted the message? I still say that the problem is that the Message Boards are "Gatewayed" to the Mailing Lists. They ought to be kept separate! Also, I believe that "they" (whoever "they" are!) should stop advising us to copy the portion of the posting to which we are responding. What ever happened to the age-old idea, which is used in the legal system all over the world, that the most recent event should be at the top, and we should not be so lazy that we cannot look under the person's posting to read what went on before that message? This is the way attorneys and judges put files together, since FOREVER! They put the most recent event or letter or e-mail at the top, and we are supposed to understand that, and we are supposed to always put our response, or rebuttal, or whatever message we want to send at the TOP of the internet exchange. The confusion began when "Someone" began giving us orders to "Copy the portion of the posting to which you are responding and delete the rest. THIS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL! Let us go back to responding at the very top of a posting, but DO NOT DELETE THE POSTING TO WHICH YOU ARE RESPONDING, or the person or the Message Board, or the Mailing List people will not understand anything that is happening! Also, do not, ever click on "Reply all," because "They" have changed games on us! It used to be that when we reply to a message on a Mailing List, we clicked on "Reply All," and the message went to the Mailing List, and also to the person who posted the message. Lois K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] List Procedures > Digest subscribers can also request of the list administrator that they > receive the digest in the old format, with attachments. I have requested > this of all the lists to which I subscribe, and I no longer have to sift > through lines and lines of repetition to get to the "meat" of the > messages. > > Lorna in Maine