Christie, Sorry, I was so excited at seeing one of my family names (Cushman) at long last that I forgot my reply was going to the whole list and not to the person who had sent the original message. Judy

Did anyone else answer this yet? I don't think so... This line appears as you have it listed in the White (that's author, not cover color!) Howland book, ending with the birth of Thankful Denison (b. 19 July 1747), so it looks like you are good to go with this one, at least that far! :-) If you would like further details from that book on anyone in the generations up to Thankful Denison, let me know. Kathy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kathy Fenton Virginia Beach, VA (Descendant of Alden/Mullins, Brewster, Doty, Edward Fuller, Hopkins, Howland/Tilley, Rogers, Samson, and Standish) http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/f/e/n/K-Fenton/index.html Recycle yourself! Tell someone you want to be an organ and tissue donor! http://save7lives.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hallberg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: [MFLR] Help With a Howland Line > If someone with the Howland book (or other sources) of Desire's descendants > could confirm (or deny) the following line, it would be most appreciated: > > 1. John Howland m. Elizabeth Tilly > 2. Desire Howland m. John Gorham > 3. Mercy Gorham m. George Denison, Jr. > 4. Desire Denison m. John Williams > 5. Thankful Williams m. Avery Denison > 6.Thankful Denison m. Alexander Stewart > 7. Thankful Stewart m. Elihu Denison > > Thanks, Ron > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Colleen - should this read Colleen Downey Anderson m. Barry Morse? On Nov 16, 2006, at 9:07 AM, MsTigerHawk wrote: Here's my line: <snip> Bernice Downey m. William O. Anderson Colleen Downey m. Barry Morse Colleen Downey Morse Minneosta

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/340.1 Message Board Post: Leslie, I believe the Rogers connection is from Thomas to son John to daughter Abigail who married Joseph Richmond. At least that is the connection made in the Rogers volume of the Mayflower silver series. Ken White

I recall that many Mayflower applicants would hit a road block with proving events occuring in New York because of the sparsity of records. There is no "easy answer" but the following URLs that I ran across might help them find what they're looking for in some cases. http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ http://www.unyg.com/ The above information is from Dick Eastman's Genealogical Newsletter http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/11/online_new_york.html Bill Decoursey

That was a misprint. It was Anna Bosworth who married Thomas Downey. That's what I get for trying to go too fast. Sorry. Also, Anna Bosworth was descended from John Alden on her mother's side. That's the line I joined Mayflower Society with. Colleen [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 11/16/2006 3:36:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:[in part] Jabin Bosworth m. Luna West Luna West m. Thomas Downey You show the above in your message. Are the Luna Wests shown the same person? If so, her children by Thomas Downey are not in the line of John Bosworth. Hugh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online and earn your degree in 1 year. Start Today

<hopefully not too off topic> Is there any information available about Ephraim Hicks' (my 8g uncle) "violent death"? I've only seen the Thomas Southworth comment and the verbal will mentioned. Rod On Nov 16, 2006, at 12:07 PM, MsTigerHawk wrote: > Sue Roser <[email protected]> wrote: > Christie, > > > > The names of all of the Howland children are given in the first > volume, > however only Desire is carried forward for five generations. The > second > volume gives son John for five generations and again, all of the > children > are named, but only John is carried further. > > > > I suspect Elizabeth Howland (m. 1) Ephraim Hicks, 2) John > Dickenson) has > been a difficult line to trace which is why it is taking so long. > > > > Susan

In a message dated 11/16/2006 3:36:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:[in part] Jabin Bosworth m. Luna West Luna West m. Thomas Downey You show the above in your message. Are the Luna Wests shown the same person? If so, her children by Thomas Downey are not in the line of John Bosworth. Hugh

If someone with the Howland book (or other sources) of Desire's descendants could confirm (or deny) the following line, it would be most appreciated: 1. John Howland m. Elizabeth Tilly 2. Desire Howland m. John Gorham 3. Mercy Gorham m. George Denison, Jr. 4. Desire Denison m. John Williams 5. Thankful Williams m. Avery Denison 6.Thankful Denison m. Alexander Stewart 7. Thankful Stewart m. Elihu Denison Thanks, Ron

In a message dated 11/16/2006 9:08:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Here's my line: John Howland m. Elizabeth Tilley Hannah Howland m. Jonathan Bosworth John Bosworth m. Elizabeth Toogood David Bosworth m. Mary Strong Jabin Bosworth m. Luna West Luna West m. Thomas Downey Calvin C. Downey m. Nancy Myers Augustus Downey m. Martha Lindsay William A. Downey m. Anna Effie Cole Peter A. Downey m. Cordie Ethel Cole Bernice Downey m. William O. Anderson Colleen Downey m. Barry Morse Jennifer Morse m. David Spartz Justin Morse Charles Downey m. Rebecca Mason Marcus Champlin Colleen Downey Morse Minneosta Colleen: I have down to John Bosworth and Elizabeth Togood and will be adding the rest of your line to update my database. My husband is a Howland descendant too. I would like to get the vitals to go with the names you provided above. I have John Bosworth dying 20 Sept 1719, but I know not where and I have their marriage, but I have no vitals at all for Elizabeth. Can you help fill in all the missing vitals down to you and your children. For all those people who are still living, I will be putting aft Nov 2006 for all deaths where people are still living and you as a researcher in my notes for future contact. I have a question about the child born of Jabin Bosworth and Luna West. You list their daughter as Luna West. Didn't you mean Luna Bosworth? Next, you list yourself with a Downey surname rather than Anderson, why? Or should it have been Colleen Downey Anderson? Or did you forget to list a second marriage to a Downey and you and Charles are the result of that marriage? Did she marry a third time to a Champlin? Who is Charles Downey and Marcus Champlin? Christie Trapp

Silver - published "final" version. -- Until it is revised. Pink - in progress books. Published as an interim to the silver versions. It is recognized for Mayflower purposes, but not everything in it is in final form or they are still working on some of the lines before going silver. Green - not a Mayflower passenger - only one published so far and that is Delano. This family ties into Mayflower. White - This one someone else is going to have to answer. I was going to say not a Mayflower passenger, but I have a Francis Cooke - who is Mayflower and William Bradford is too. But Robert Bartlett was not, only had children who married Mayflower passengers children. Cushman - Has fall foliage colors on the cover. Thomas Cushman married Isaac Allerton's daughter and many of their children interact with lots of Mayflower descendants. Christie Trapp

In a message dated 11/16/2006 3:36:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: In an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, dated December 2, 1904, entitled "Everybody's Column," Remember Allerton is mentioned only as a passenger on the Mayflower (as well as other names listed) as arriving in Cape Cod on November 21, 1620 along side her sister, Sarah "who married Moses Maverick;" I'm looking at this statement and I have no clue as to what Sarah married Moses Maverick. That is clearly a misstatement as far as I can tell because it was Remember Allerton who married Moses Maverick. In addition, Sarah not only never was married but she was born in Plymouth by Isaac's second wife Fear Brewster. Sarah was not on board the Mayflower. Christie Trapp

Please read the FAQ. Craig Rich Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:05:47 To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Silver Book Lookup what do the colors of the books mean? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christie wrote: >>Now, in Hopkins 6:177 it gives Sarah Carver who married Solomon Paine to be  Ruth and provides a date of birth in Weymouth as 14 Dec. 1701, gives date of  death as 9 Aug 1731 and being the daughter of David and Ruth (Whitmarsh)  Carver.<< Christie ~ Here they are in the Barbour Records for Canterbury.... Barbour Collection Canterbury Vital Records Pg. 250 Paine, Paine Ruth, d. of Solomon & Sarah, b. May 25th, 1723 Vol. 1, pg. 195 Sarah, w. of Solomon, d. Aug. 9, 1731 Vol. 1, pg. 206 Solomon, m. Sarah CARVER, Mar. 2, 1720/21 Vol. 1, pg. 192 also.... Pg. 158 Carver Sarah, m. Solomon PAINE, Mar. 2, 1720/21 Vol 1, pg. 192 Dianne

Here's my line: John Howland m. Elizabeth Tilley Hannah Howland m. Jonathan Bosworth John Bosworth m. Elizabeth Toogood David Bosworth m. Mary Strong Jabin Bosworth m. Luna West Luna West m. Thomas Downey Calvin C. Downey m. Nancy Myers Augustus Downey m. Martha Lindsay William A. Downey m. Anna Effie Cole Peter A. Downey m. Cordie Ethel Cole Bernice Downey m. William O. Anderson Colleen Downey m. Barry Morse Jennifer Morse m. David Spartz Justin Morse Charles Downey m. Rebecca Mason Marcus Champlin Colleen Downey Morse Minneosta Sue Roser <[email protected]> wrote: Christie, The names of all of the Howland children are given in the first volume, however only Desire is carried forward for five generations. The second volume gives son John for five generations and again, all of the children are named, but only John is carried further. I suspect Elizabeth Howland (m. 1) Ephraim Hicks, 2) John Dickenson) has been a difficult line to trace which is why it is taking so long. Susan www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html In a message dated 11/14/2006 5:37:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The latest one I have is vol. 23, part 1 - 4 generations of children Lydia, Hannah, Joseph, Jabez, Ruth and Isaac which was published earlier this year. (Elizabeth White's first two books cover John and Desire.) I haven't heard about the others, but it was my understanding that Hope might be next. Susan Susan: Elizabeth was carried in the very first volume even though it was suppose to only be John and Desire. She is child four and I found her in that volume with a line of descent. Christie Trapp ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment

At 02:41 PM 11/15/2006, Christie Trapp wrote: >David Carver (1669-1727) and Ruth Whitmarsh (1677-). Does anyone have her >date of death and place? I can probably make the presumption that it was in >Canterbury, Windham, CT, but I have nothing listed. Christie - It would not have been in CT, as David was living in Weymouth until at least 1717 when his daughter Hannah was born [Weymouth VR 1:70; History of Weymouth 3:154]. Ruth's death is not found in Weymouth VR, but she must have died after the 04-Nov-1704 birth of her son Samuel [Weymouth VR 1:70]. She must have died before her husband's 2nd marriage to Hannah Dyer, say, before Jul-1709, since Hannah's son Jonathan was born 13-Apr-1710 [Weymouth VR 1:70]. >I have three children listed for this couple. They may have had more, but >I've only got three in my database. > >Ruth >Sarah >Samuel Only Ruth and Samuel are found in Weymouth VR. The 2nd wife of Rev. Solomon Paine of Canterbury, CT, has been identified by some writers as Sarah, daughter of David and Ruth (Whitmarsh) Carver. >On the website it had this to say about Sarah: Sarah, perhaps identical >with Ruth, d. 9 Aug. 1731, m. 2 Mar 1720 Rev. Solomon Paine (b. >1698 in Eastham, >MA, lived at Canterbury, CT, minister of the Separatist Church, d. 1754). That is a direct quote from 88:220 of William Jones, "Robert Carver of Marshfield, Mass., and Some of His Descendants" (NEHGR, 88 [1934]:215-221, 311-329; 89 [1935]:34-46; Additions: 96 [1942]:304-305). >Now, in Hopkins 6:177 it gives Sarah Carver who married Solomon Paine to be >Ruth and provides a date of birth in Weymouth as 14 Dec. 1701 That is the date recorded for Ruth's birth [Weymouth VR 1:70]. >It also has this to say about Ruth: Prob. scrivener's error is the >reference to her as "Sarah" in rec. of bp. of eldest child. I take that to mean that whoever recorded the 03-Jun-1772 baptism of her son Solomon erroneously wrote "Sarah" as his mother's name rather than "Ruth." I do not have "Records of the Congregational Church in Canterbury, Connecticut 1711-1844" (Hartford, CT: Connecticut Historical Society, 1832; facsimile reprint, Salem, MA: Higginson Books, 1997). >What does the Weymouth VR have to say? As noted, only the births of Ruth and Samuel are recorded. >In the death record for Ruth/Sarah >as the wife of Solomon Paine, what does it say? That would be found in the Barbour Collection of Connecticut vital records at the Connecticut State Library in Hartford, also on microfilm at NEHGS. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml

According to "The Standishes of America," John Standish, s/o Nathaniel and Phebe (Murdock Standish), married a Sarah Fuller. Would anyone know who her parents were? I noticed this loose end while looking over my Fuller files. Joan Norstedt

what do the colors of the books mean?

Frank: What do you need to know about Remember Allerton? Your message was rather vague. Christie Trapp

In an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, dated December 2, 1904, entitled "Everybody's Column," Remember Allerton is mentioned only as a passenger on the Mayflower (as well as other names listed) as arriving in Cape Cod on November 21, 1620 along side her sister, Sarah "who married Moses Maverick;" Interesting. Frank Nagy <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I am interested in any info. that you are willing to supply in regards to "Remember Allerton". I am a descendant of Remember (Isaac. Allerton). Sincerely, Frank Nagy --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment