Here are the airdates I found, and yes it is available on dvd from the discovery channel, which you can find on their website. Thursday, Nov. 23 at 8:00pm Friday, Nov. 24 at 12:00am Sunday, Nov 26 at 4:00pm I believe the times are eastern standard times, so you might need to adjust for your timezone. Lois On 11/21/06, Elizabeth Wardwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Does anyone know if or when "Desperate Crossing" will be shown again? > Or do you know if it available as a DVD? > Betty Wardwell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As Scott suspected, the Genferret had an agenda. The Genferret was sent as an emissary from a galaxy unknown to you when signs of imminent catastrophe on earth were observed. The Genferret took the guise of what was deduced to be the superior species on the planet; one characterized by intellectual curiosity and a simple joy in the gift of life. Humanity was never considered, it clearly being an alien infection, some sort of intergalactic virus that was consuming its host. The Genferret did discern that there might be a mutant strain of humans worth further investigation. They seemed to come from a tiny group that for a brief time exhibited humility and gratitude in the understanding of the miracle of their existence and the glory of the earth. The mission has been deemed hopeless, and the being known to you as the Genferret is leaving earth forever now, wondering what will become of the mutants with Thanksgiving in their hearts. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com

When I told my sons 6th grade teacher that my son was a descendant of John ALDEN and Priscilla MULLINS, he said who are they? In a message dated 11/20/2006 7:52:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I grew up in Boston and now live in Pensacola, FL. I told someone I was Mayflower descendant and they said................"what's that?" TTYS, Dawn Green

Hi! I watched Desperate Crossing on Sunday and tried to listen for my ancestors. One of my Mayflower ancestors is Richard Warren. I thought I heard the movie say he died the first winter. However, Caleb Johnson's Mayflower site says he died in 1628. Perhaps I did not hear correctly. Did anyone else notice a mention of Mr. Warren? Also Caleb Johnson's website has an interesting article on the filming of the movie: http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/index.php He points out some errors he noticed. Carol

Dear Joan: What I mean is people sign with cute names like GenFerrett or GIF. Nobody knows who these people are. Maybe thye have a hidden agenda. Or are just to embarrassed to say who they are. They can state things, but they hide behind there false names. I even sent a message to genferret. It did not have the decency to send me a e-mail back. When I started the Francis Cooke Society. I said some improper things about a national Leader. So now I try to keep the site fairly close to the vest. Manuforti, Scott McKay Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:13:32 -0800 From: Joan Norstedt <[email protected]> Subject: [MFLR] Alias To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Scott - we have to sign up with our e-mail address to get mail. Some of us, for many reasons, don't want to use our names in our addresses, so we make one up. Is this what you mean by an alias? I do use my own name when I correspond. Regards, Joan Norstedt On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: Hi, why do people get do use a alias names on this site. That's not far to some of the people. I belong to Clan MacKay USA. They do not allow alias. One alias is Genferrett2, I guess genferrett one got caught. On another note Queen Elizabeth 2 would be a bad choice to come to Plymouth's 400th Anniversary. They came to America, to get away from their hypocrisy. Scott ------------------------------

> 2. Re: Allerton-Cushman line ([email protected])>Date: Mon, 20 Nov >2006 07:05:19 EST >From: [email protected] > >In a message dated 11/19/2006 7:03:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>C B Churchill and Carrie Ross Taylor's youngest son, Ernest Taylor >>Churchill >was my greatgrandfather. >Laura: > >I have a problem with the line as you present it. > >Their son, Barnabas Churchill, married Lydia Holmes >Their son, Barnabas Churchill, married Sarah Faunce >Their son, Job Churchill, married Hannah Turner Harlow > >According to what I have for this family line I have Barnabas Churchill >married to Lydia Holmes. I have the next two - Barnabas and Job as >brothers, not >as father and son. Christie - Thank-you for all the information! I had several connections to Mary Warren and Robert Bartlett, but this is the first I've heard about a Miles Standish connection. The name Barnabas Churchill and Job Churchill were used way too frequently. I have six Barnabas Churchills in my records and five Job Churchills. The two Jobs who were sons of Barnabas Churchill and Lydia Holmes were, first born 15 Jan 1751 died 14 Jan 1753, and second born 17 Aug 1756. These two Job Churchills had a brother named Barnabas who, as you pointed out, married Sarah Faunce. > >Yes, Barnabas married Sarah Faunce and yes, Job Churchill married Hannah >Turner Harlow. But as brother's they can't be father and son because of >their >relationship to Barnabas and Lydia as parents. > >The Barnabas Churchill who married Sarah Faunce was born 25 Nov. 1747 in >Plymouth, married 8 Oct. 1780 to Sarah Faunce, dau. of Thomas Faunce and >Sarah >Bartlett. Barnabas and Sarah had 3 children: Barnabas, b. 19 Oct 1784; >Job, >b. 2 Mar 1787 and Barnabas, b. 5 Feb. 1789. Both Barnabas boys die, so >that >only leaves Job eligible for marriage and having children. Barnabas >(1747) >marries a second time to Lydia Sylvester. I have no children for the >second >wife. That matches what I have. However, I question which Job Churchill married Hannah Turner Harlow. How likely is it that Job Churchill, son of Barnabas, married at age 52 and went on to have seven children? Especially since there is another Job Churchill, also son of (a different) Barnabas who was born 2 Mar 1787 and would have been 21 when he married and Hannah T Harlow was two years younger. You also have the younger Job Churchill's death in 1826, two years after the birth of Cornelius Bradford Churchill. I wonder if the birth date of the wrong Job was copied from one source to another. Churchill Family in America has the version I have, although I have found other errors in that book and I don't view it as an authority. >The Job who married Hannah Turner Harlow was born 17 Aug 1756 in Plymouth, >married 21 Dec. 1808 to Hannah and left 7 children. > >These seven are: Barnabas (1810), Job (1812), Sylvanus Harlow (1815), >Hannah Turner (1817), Sally (1819), Salley (1821) and Cornelius Bradford >(1824) > This also matches what I have, but the following is mostly new for me and VERY MUCH APPRECIATED! >This family structure was found in the following sources: > >The Genealogy Committee of the Harlow Family compilers & Alicia Crane >Wiliams, ed. Harlow Family: Descendants of Sgt. William Harlow >(1624/5-1691) of >Plymouth, Massachusetts. Baltimore: Gateway Press, 1997. > >Vital Records of Plymouth, MA. > >The children of Barnabas Churchill Jr. and Lydia his wife are listed in the >Plymouth VR, p. 140. This clearly puts Barnabas and Job as children in the >same family, not as father and son as you suggest. > >On pg. 226 it lists the children of Job Churchill and Hannah T. his wife >and >names the seven children I just listed above. > >The intention of marriage of Job Churchell and Hannah Turner Harlow is on >p. >303. > >The marriage of Job Churchell and Hannah Harlow is on p. 381. > >The children of Barnabas Churchill and Sarah his wife is on p. 393 - those >three children I've listed above where it states that both boys named >Barnabas >were born and died and gives the birth and death date for Job. He doesn't >die until March 27, 1826, so he has plenty of time to get married and have >children. Job's death is also recorded on pg. 476 and again on pg. 503, >though >this time, it says he died on the 23rd of March rather than the 28th of >March. His father, Barnabas's death is recorded on the same page along >with >Lydia, his second wife. > >The marriage of Cornelius B. Churchill and Sarah F. Cushing is recorded on >pg. 613. It says his parents are Job and Hannah T. and her parents are >Ezra & >Betsey R. Cushing. The marriage of Ezra is on p. 322, 1825 Dec. 21 Ezra >Cushing & Betsey R. Allen both of Plymouth. There is no birth record for >Ezra >or Betsey R. > >The birth of Barnabas (1686) is on pg. 53, his children are listed on p. >53, >his marriage on p. 90 & 104. > >The intention of marriage of Barnabas Churchell, Jr. & Lydia Holmes is on >pg. 159. > >The intention of marriage of Barnabas Churchell and Sarah Faunce is on p. >268 and the marriage on p 363. > >The death of Lydia Sylvester Churchill is reported on p. 476. > >The second marriage of Cornelius Bradford Churchill is not recorded in >Plymouth VRs. Where did you find it? > The second marriage was 6 Dec 1856 in Natchez, Mississippi to Carrie Ross Taylor, born 6 Dec 1835 in Philadelphia. Cornelius Bradford Churchill went to Nachez after his first wife died and died in New Orleans 6 Nov 1879. I don't know what happened to Sarah Cushing Churchill, born 10 Oct 1852. His widow, Carrie Ross Taylor, died in Nachez 26 Jan 1931. She appears on the 1880 census as C B Churchill. Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace C.B. CHURCHILL Self W Female W 44 PA Keeps House PA PA John H. CHURCHILL Son S Male W 22 MS Bookkeeper Foundry MA PA Ernest CHURCHILL Son S Male W 20 MS Machinist MA PA Wm. H. CHURCHILL Son S Male W 16 AL Order Clerk AL PA Cornelius CHURCHILL Son S Male W 13 MS At School MA PA Albert CHURCHILL Son S Male W 8 MS At School MA PA Frank CHURCHILL Son S Male W 4 LA At Home MA PA Carry CHURCHILL Dau S Female W 1 LA At Home MA PA Wilson SCHELDON Cousin S Male W 30 PA Book Keeper PA ENG Theresa SHEPPARD Other S Female W 22 LA Nurse Servant LA LA Ann GOULD Other W Female B 55 VA Cook Servant VA VA Source Information: 1880 census Census Place New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana Family History Library Film 1254463 NA Film Number T9-0463 Page Number 395D > >I agree with you about the Bradford name. I can't seem to see a Bradford >connection. But maybe they just admired Mr. Bradford and decided to add >his >name to the mix just to confuse you and the rest of us. Of course, I do >have >some holes in the ancestry, so it is possible that the Bradford family >connects somewhere, but I just don't have it yet. > > >The ancestry of Hannah Turner Harlow is found on p. 401-402. She is >listed >as one of 11 children in the family of Jesse Harlow Jr. and Hannah. >Hannah >T. was born 12 June 1789. Jesse married Hannah Turner, p. 365, on Dec. >12, >1784, the intention is on p. 271 Aug. 28, 1784. They were both of >Plymouth. >There is no birth record for Hannah Turner, so even though the marriage >entry >says of Plymouth, her birth is not recorded in Plymouth. So she might >have >actually been born some place else. > >If I have my facts correct, Jesse's parents were: Jessie Harlow and >Elizabeth Samson, both of Plymouth, married on April 23, 1762. p. 355. On >p. 296 >Capt. Jesse Harlow filing an intention to marry on June 8, 1804 a Miss >Salley >Cotton, both of Plymouth. This is his second marriage. Jesse's parents >were >John Harlow and Mary Rider and I can take this line back to Richard Warren >through his daughter Mary Warren who married Robert Bartlett from both >John and >Mary. Elizabeth Sampson/Samson is a descendant of Myles Standish and John >Alden. I don't have a connection for her Sampson/Samson line yet to >connect >her to the Mayflower Sampson, but you can check the Sampson volume to be >sure. >If you need her line, as I have it, let me know. > >There is a marriage intention, p. 321 for a Jesse Harlow and Mary Lothrop >Nelson, both of Plymouth on Nov. 16, 1819 and the marriage, p.317, on Oct. >3, >1819. Whether this is a second marriage for Jesse Jr., I'm not sure yet. >The >time would be right, if Hannah Turner's death occurred before this date. >Otherwise, there is another Jesse Harlow getting married. > >In conclusion, starting with Cornelius, his ancestry should be: >Job Churchill - Hannah Turner Harlow >Barnabas Churchill -Lydia Holmes >Barnabas Churchill - Lydia Harlow >William Harlow - Lydia Cushman >Thomas Cushman - Mary Allerton >Isaac Allerton - Mary Norris > >Going back to William Harlow - Lydia Cushman, you can reach Richard Warren >by >William Harlow - Rebecca Bartlett >Robert Bartlett - Mary Warren >Richard Warren - Elizabeth Walker > >Jesse Harlow Jr. - Hannah Turner >Jesse Harlow - Elizabeth Sampson/Samson >Noah Sampson - Jemima Rider >Nathaniel Samson - Keturah Chandler >Abraham Samson - Lora Standish - check about this one to see if Abraham >connects to Mayflower Henry Samson >Alexander Standish - Sarah Alden to John Alden - Priscilla Mullins >Myles Standish - Barbara ?? > >I hope this helps to straighten out your family records with the correct >lineage.

Now this is so far off topic it's not even funny. Craig Rich Mayflower list administrator [email protected] www.macatawa.org/~crich/ ------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Alias Hi, why do people get do use a alias names on this site. That's not far to some of the people. I belong to Clan MacKay USA. They do not allow alias. One alias is Genferrett2, I guess genferrett one got caught. On another note Queen Elizabeth 2 would be a bad choice to come to Plymouth's 400th Anniversary. They came to America, to get away from their hypocrisy. Scott -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: 11/20/2006

I'll take that as a compliment and in the good spirit in which I am sure it was sent! -- Craig Rich -------------- Original message -------------- From: genferret2 <[email protected]> > Sorry to natter on so, but this release from the absurd prohibition of > non-genealogical topics by the tyrannical Craig is just so exhilarating.

Instead of the silliness that you are engrossed in, why don't you have someone reply to my inquiry, of several months ago, about joining the Francis Cooke Society? Herbert Marshall -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Cute names Dear Joan: What I mean is people sign with cute names like GenFerrett or GIF. Nobody knows who these people are. Maybe thye have a hidden agenda. Or are just to embarrassed to say who they are. They can state things, but they hide behind there false names. I even sent a message to genferret. It did not have the decency to send me a e-mail back. When I started the Francis Cooke Society. I said some improper things about a national Leader. So now I try to keep the site fairly close to the vest. Manuforti, Scott McKay Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:13:32 -0800 From: Joan Norstedt <[email protected]> Subject: [MFLR] Alias To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Scott - we have to sign up with our e-mail address to get mail. Some of us, for many reasons, don't want to use our names in our addresses, so we make one up. Is this what you mean by an alias? I do use my own name when I correspond. Regards, Joan Norstedt On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: Hi, why do people get do use a alias names on this site. That's not far to some of the people. I belong to Clan MacKay USA. They do not allow alias. One alias is Genferrett2, I guess genferrett one got caught. On another note Queen Elizabeth 2 would be a bad choice to come to Plymouth's 400th Anniversary. They came to America, to get away from their hypocrisy. Scott ------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, why do people get do use a alias names on this site. That's not far to some of the people. I belong to Clan MacKay USA. They do not allow alias. One alias is Genferrett2, I guess genferrett one got caught. On another note Queen Elizabeth 2 would be a bad choice to come to Plymouth's 400th Anniversary. They came to America, to get away from their hypocrisy. Scott

Hey list -- 1000 apologies! I highlighted a message to send about Popham Colony and as I hit "send" I noticed it was the wrong e-mail -- something about beautiful women. I am not sure how that happened as it is NOT what I had hightlighted. Again, sorry! Gail

There is also Popham Colony which was in Maine. They were 1607 just like Jamestown but only lasted a year. They have two very cool firsts -- one, the first English ship (built in America)was built here in 1608 (called, what else...The Virginia) and two, the John Hunt Map. The only know surviving map this early of an English colony. It has been helpful as they do their archaeological digs. The great folks of Maine are building a replica of The Virginia as we speak. For more: _www.mainesfirstship.org_ (http://www.mainesfirstship.org/) Gail Adams Leesburg, Virginia Editor, The Howland Quarterly

Did you know that it's Beautiful Women Month? Well, it is and that means you and me !!! I'm supposed to send this to FIVE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, and you are one of them !!! Below is a wonderful poem Audrey Hepburn wrote when asked to share her "beauty tips." It was read at her funeral years later. For attractive lips, speak words of kindness... For lovely eyes, seekout the good in people. For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. For beautiful hair, let a child run his/her fingers through it once a day. For poise, walk with the knowledge that you never walk alone.. People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; never throw out anyone. Remember, if you ever need a helping hand, you will find one at the end of each of your arms. As you grow older, you will discover that you have two hands; one for helping yourself, and the other for helping others. If you share this with another woman, something good will happen. . You will boost another woman's self esteem, and she will know that you care about her.

In a message dated 11/20/2006 7:35:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just to put a few things in perspective, and not to take anything away from those of us who are descendents of those Mayflower Passengers: The first permanent colonies in what is now the United States were Saint Augustine in what is now Florida and Santa Fe in what is now New Mexico. The first English Colony was in Roanoke in what is now North Carolina. Jamestown was probable around the fourth, but the first permanent English Colony, then Plymouth quickly followed by the Dutch settlement in New Amsterdam. The thing that sets Plymouth apart is the records that were kept by Bradford. Oh, by the way, watch the movie "Squanto", a Walt Disney movie about an Indian taken prisoner by the English, brought to England and escaped back to his home in what is now New England, all before the Mayflower landed in 1620. Did you know that some Indians knew how to speak English before 1620 and were able to speak with the Pilgrims in English. Dave from Long Island, (Edward Fuller d. winter of 1620-21) You left out Popham Colony which was in Maine. They were 1607 just like Jamestown but only lasted a year. They have two very cool firsts -- one, the first English ship (built in America)was built here in 1608 (called, what else...The Virginia) and two, the John Hunt Map. The only know surviving map this early of an English colony. It has been helpful as they do their archaeological digs. The great folks of Maine are building a replica of The Virginia as we speak. For more: _www.mainesfirstship.org_ (http://www.mainesfirstship.org) Gail Adams Leesburg, Virginia Editor, The Howland Quarterly

I grew up in Boston and now live in Pensacola, FL. I told someone I was Mayflower descendant and they said................"what's that?"

Just to put a few things in perspective, and not to take anything away from those of us who are descendents of those Mayflower Passengers: The first permanent colonies in what is now the United States were Saint Augustine in what is now Florida and Santa Fe in what is now New Mexico. The first English Colony was in Roanoke in what is now North Carolina. Jamestown was probable around the fourth, but the first permanent English Colony, then Plymouth quickly followed by the Dutch settlement in New Amsterdam. The thing that sets Plymouth apart is the records that were kept by Bradford. Oh, by the way, watch the movie "Squanto", a Walt Disney movie about an Indian taken prisoner by the English, brought to England and escaped back to his home in what is now New England, all before the Mayflower landed in 1620. Did you know that some Indians knew how to speak English before 1620 and were able to speak with the Pilgrims in English. Dave from Long Island, (Edward Fuller d. winter of 1620-21)

Pensacola has a Mayflower Colony of Edward Doty, some of us Southerns do know a little about History. :-) Laura Lee Scott, President of the West Florida Genealogical Society ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Thoughts: The Desperate Crossing >I grew up in Boston and now live in Pensacola, FL. I told someone I was > Mayflower descendant and they said................"what's that?" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I really enjoyed the movie. What courage to leave everything familiar to come to a wilderness filled with unknown dangers. I am descended from Mary Doty HATCH, daug of Edward Doty. My husband is descended from William HATCHER of Henrico Co, VA. William Hatcher, born 1614 in England who was an early settler of Henrico County, Virginia. He had a plantation called Varina and was a vocal member of the House of Burgess.

Scott - we have to sign up with our e-mail address to get mail. Some of us, for many reasons, don't want to use our names in our addresses, so we make one up. Is this what you mean by an alias? I do use my own name when I correspond. Regards, Joan Norstedt On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: Hi, why do people get do use a alias names on this site. That's not far to some of the people. I belong to Clan MacKay USA. They do not allow alias. One alias is Genferrett2, I guess genferrett one got caught. On another note Queen Elizabeth 2 would be a bad choice to come to Plymouth's 400th Anniversary. They came to America, to get away from their hypocrisy. Scott

In a message dated 11/20/2006 2:19:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The other day Queen Elizabeth II announced that she is planning to attend the Jamestown festivities next year Maybe QEII will show up at Plymouth too. Christie Trapp