Hi Joan You may be able to crack my "brickwall" as my great grand mother was a Euphemia McKay / MacKay and your mention of " Clan MacKay USA " gave me a little hope as I have not been able to push back Euphemia's ancestry apart from her approx date of birth = June 1858 her marriage to my Great Grand father John W KEELER in Boston MA 28th April 1881 and her death 4th March 1927 in Dorchester MA on the birth certificate of her children of which there were seven she gave her place of birth as Boston except on one certificate she gave Prince Edward Island, on the marriage certificate she gave her parents names as William & Mary McKay. Can you or anyone else help me trace Euphemia's ancestry ? Regards Rob Wilkinson Farnham Surrey England Descendant of Thomas ROGERS, Stephen HOPKINS & William BREWSTER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Norstedt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: [MFLR] Alias > Scott - we have to sign up with our e-mail address to get mail. Some > of us, for many reasons, don't want to use our names in our > addresses, so we make one up. Is this what you mean by an alias? I do > use my own name when I correspond. > > Regards, > Joan Norstedt > > On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, why do people get do use a alias names on this site. That's not > far to > some of the people. I belong to Clan MacKay USA. They do not allow > alias. One > alias is Genferrett2, I guess genferrett one got caught. > On another note Queen Elizabeth 2 would be a bad choice to come to > Plymouth's 400th Anniversary. They came to America, to get away from > their hypocrisy. > Scott > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This programme sounds great, but for us poor members who live "over the pond" we do not have a clue what you are talking about I think the only way I will get to view it is to purchase it from the History Channel, but the drawback is it will probably be a Region One DVD and I will still not be able to view it (as I live in Region two). So you "American Cousins" enjoy the programme but please try not to dwell to much on it as we members from overseas will get terribly jealous Regards Rob Wilkinson Descendent of Thomas ROGERS, Stephen HOPKINS & William BREWSTER. living in little Old England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing > "Desperate Crossing" will be shown on the History Channel, Thursday, Nov. > 23, 8p.m. EST according to their website program listings. If you want to > buy a DVD or VHS, you can buy it on line at the History Channel website. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Wardwell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:58 AM > Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing > > >> Does anyone know if or when "Desperate Crossing" will be shown again? >> Or do you know if it available as a DVD? >> Betty Wardwell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 176 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I enjoyed the program and thought overall they were good in the things that were portrayed about the Pilgrims. However, I do wonder about Dorothy Bradford. They mention in the movie that she left her three year old son in England, or Holland. I thought she was supposed to have been 16 when she died. Surely she did not have a child at thirteen??? As a descendant of William Bradford I was interested in how they would portray her. Their son John later came to America but never had any children so there are no descendants from them. I think Jeremy Bangs has more insight and common sense abut the Pilgrims than most writers I have come across, and I definitely agree about his representation of the Indians. Who really knows what they thought? I had asked before but have received no answer as to whether anyone knows of any DNA testing on Mayflower descendants. Are they just using the group name, like people from the Bradford line, and telling what they know about their line, or is there a group for the Mayflower? Joyce Moore

Noreen LaTour raises several interesting points, some of which I'll try to answer. A careful reading of Winslow's description (in Mourt's Relation) would also bring out the mixture of responses among the Pilgrims in the initial explorations - the intention to leave symbolic gifts in exchange for the removal of objects thought to be curiosities, and Winslow's regret that in their haste they forgot to leave the symbols. Then as a recurrent theme through the reports of the next several months we find that the Pilgrims, at every meeting with the Indians, attempted and finally succeeded at making restitution for the corn that had been removed from storage pits. It took some time to identify and meet the owner but eventually they did. (How it was possible to estimate value and provide appropriate restitution remains unanswerable.) One may assume fairly that some form of recompense was also made for objects removed. The reason one may assume that is that the Pilgrims were intent on establishing relations with the Indians in which neither side stole from the other! - that's an essential part of their treaty. They had taken corn and curiosities. The Indians took tools that had apparently been abandoned in the fields, although in the Pilgrims' thought it was obvious that the Pilgrims were going to come back for them, just as it was clear to the Indians that the Indians would return to their houses expecting their objects still to be there. Incidentally, it's unlikely that the houses had been vacated for the season. The Indians probably cleared out shortly before the Pilgrims approached, to avoid contact. Otherwise it is difficult to imagine why there were objects of furniture that could be taken. Plimoth Plantation is a wonderful museum where one can see close approximations of the physical circumstances of life in 1627 Plymouth Colony. The interpretation varies from time to time, sometimes quite good, but not always very good. For the last several years they have had odd and unsupported notions about Thanksgiving, the Mayflower Compact, and relations with the Indians. I have reviewed some of them as they appear in a couple of Plymouth Plantation books for schools that were published by the National Geographic Society some years ago. (See my article "1621, A Historian Looks Anew at Thanksgiving" on the site www.sail1620.org - which is a review of their book "1621, A New Look at Thanksgiving.") When people comment that the movie (and things like it) present the views of the Pilgrims and the views of the Natives equally, quite often an essential anachronism is ignored. It's this: the views of the Pilgrims are known from their 17th-century writings. But the Native views are what has been invented in the last twenty-five years or so by people trying to imagine what their ancestors should have thought. They have been making it up. There is no traditional knowledge that goes back to the 17th century. What we have instead is 20th-century recollections of what had been recently passed down (perhaps stories told by grandparents or their contemporaries). And the people who provided the oral history of the 20th century were themselves representatives of a tribe that has a longer tradition of literacy than any other in North America. In other words, the stories came from people whose "memories" were inspired by their own or their ancestors' reading and re-interpretation of th! e very colonists' writings against which they want to set up an alternative that tells it the way they'd like it to have been described. The first published version of this re-telling is Ebenezer Peirce's re-telling of Winslow and Bradford, at the request of Zerviah Gould Mitchell (1878). His anti-Pilgrim sneers have been considered to represent a 17th-century Native view, even though Peirce was not an Indian and his attitude is that of a moralizing Victorian castigating the hypocrisy of his own contemporaries who were in the 19th century oppressing Indians. The same style of revising Winslow was fairly well done by Anthony Pollard (who used the name Nanepashemet), in prose that adopts a quasi-Native stiltification of grammar and point of view. It goes on in the comments of Linda Coombs and others of the Wampanoag program at Plimoth Plantation. And some of them obviously make things up, like Nanepashemet's romantic notions concerning land use. When Thomas Morton's diatribe against the Pilgrims (1637) is added to the mix, it's often overlooked that his view of Native life was polemically intended, which makes it difficult to judge how much of it is accurate and how much of it was written as a confirmation of preconceptions about the ideal Savage uncorrupted by European society. I could go on, but I think that's enough for the moment. Some aspects of this historiographical problem are discussed in my book "Indian Deeds, Land Transactions in Plymouth Colony, 1620-1691). The last section of the 225-page introduction discusses the prejudices of Francis Jennings' book "The Invasion of America" (1975). Jennings' book is a major source for the assumption that all colonists were vile and duplicitous in their relations with the aggrieved Natives. - Jeremy Bangs "Noreen LaTour" <[email protected]> wrote: >Overall I thought the writers of the Mayflower movie "Desperate Crossing" did an excellent and accurate job of telling the story from both the Pilgrims prospective and that of the Native tribes. >However,I would have liked to have seen more than what was given on the Native peoples point of view and background. Speaking of the native peoples,one small detail in the film I found that was probably inaccurate was some of the Native men were shown bare chested in the middle of winter! Why did the writers of the movie not show them wearing animal furs as they would have been wearing in the frigid tempatures of a New England winter? Was it to perpetuate the stereotype of the rugged savage? If the Natives ran around in the dead of winter bare chested they would have died from exposure long before the Eurpeans brought diseases to them! (I'm a native of Vermont so I know personally how brutally cold New England winters are.)While I'm on the subject of attire I was pleased to see the Pilgrims not wearing the black and white clothing that they were always portrayed wearing back in my school days (1960's and 70's). > >I have done much reading and research on the Pilgrims since discovering that I descended from 4 who were on the Mayflower (Francis Cooke & his son John,George Soule and Richard Warren) and several persons who came to Plymouth shortly afterwards (Hester Cooke,daughter of Francis and her husband Richard Wright.and Rebecca Symonson/Simmons daughter of Moses Symonson/Simmons. I've also been to Plimouth Plantation and aboard the Maflower II which stirred up many emotions in me including admiration for all that my ancestors went through and the courage that it took to bring them across the Atlantic. This movie brought back the same feelings to me. I also have Mohican ancestry. ( The Mohicans were originally from New York state and up into the shores of Lake Champlain in Vermont.By the Revolutionary War my Mohican ancestors were living in western Massachusetts in Stockbridge. Eventually they were sent to Michigan to live on a reservation with another tribe where many still reside ! t! > oday. My ancestor however,moved from Stockbridge to northern Vermont after the Revolutionary War. So much for the myth of another movie "The Last of the Mohicans".) > >But back to the Pilgrims and the Wampanopg (spelling?) tirbe....I noticed several people mentioned about the Pilgrims digging up native graves and robbing them. I had read about their having taken some corn they'd dug up and about their uncovering the graves of some natives and of a European man.I'd read they took things from the European man's grave but not from the native graves out of respect. However I also vaguely recall reading somewhere that they did take goods from Native houses because they thought the natives had abandoned these goods when in fact the Natives had only left them in their summer homes and gone to their winter lodgings. They had not abandoned these things but wee planning on returning in the spring.What a shock to them upon their return to find their homes had been ransacked and their supply of corn stolen! I can't find the source I read this in at the moment but I know it was taken from one of the Pilgrims own accounts. Does anyone know which Pilgri! m! > wrote this? > >Noreen Maloney LaTour >Burlington,Vermont > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please drop this topic now. Craig Rich Sent from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: StubbyTate <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:03:20 To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Cute names Team, I have to ask what it matters what their agenda is. Unless, of course, the person in question is causing a disturbance. (I searched "genferret" on the web and this guy plays WoW like I do. His/Her comments have been questioned on the gaming boards, as well. The wheel is turning but I think the hamster got loose.) Personally, I like to lurk and read and learn because I'm so very new at genealogy that I've been gently admonished on other boards for speaking up and stating mis-information about what I THOUGHT to be fact. I stand corrected a lot. That keeps me from saying too much at any given time but I'm willing to help in the research as much as possible with my (invaluable!) subscription to www.genealogybank.com (wish they had MORE on there but it's still a fairly new site so I hold hope). If you have a roadblock or brickwall, please let me know and I'll be glad to do a look-up or two. The use of my nickname is to keep my ugly ex-husband (ex-convict) from tracking my status online as he doesn't know my current nickname. That's the only reason I use it and will continue to do so. It's not an perfect system but I feel ok with it. As for the family not knowing the research I'll be leaving behind, I have a sister and 2 cousins who will take care of things for me after I'm gone and will leave my documents in a safe place for family to get their hands on easily. I try to plan ahead. I'd be glad to offer some organizational tidbits if requested (after I find the notebook I wrote all my helpful hints and tricks down in). I realize this thread wasn't about me personally but thought I should speak up as I am a list-member. Stubby [email protected] wrote: I agree Herbert. A board like this is for research and sharing, not nick-picking about a name. If there is something to share, I don't care if they use the cutest name in the Universe. A lot of people view genealogy research as their own private information and refuse to give up anything except for an occasional name and maybe a date or two. Either that or they be glad to take any data you offer but never return an email to share their data. It's a shame that when they die, all their hard work will probably be tossed by a relative. Regards, Diane Researching Howland, Tilly, Brown, Cooke In a message dated 11/20/2006 9:44:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Instead of the silliness that you are engrossed in, why don't you have someone reply to my inquiry, of several months ago, about joining the Francis Cooke Society? Herbert Marshall -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Cute names Dear Joan: What I mean is people sign with cute names like GenFerrett or GIF. Nobody knows who these people are. Maybe thye have a hidden agenda. Or are just to embarrassed to say who they are. They can state things, but they hide behind there false names. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo - Calculate new house payment ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have that Remember married him. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of StubbyTate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Allerton & Cushman Genealogy In an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, dated December 2, 1904, entitled "Everybody's Column," Remember Allerton is mentioned only as a passenger on the Mayflower (as well as other names listed) as arriving in Cape Cod on November 21, 1620 along side her sister, Sarah "who married Moses Maverick;" Interesting. Frank Nagy <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I am interested in any info. that you are willing to supply in regards to "Remember Allerton". I am a descendant of Remember (Isaac. Allerton). Sincerely, Frank Nagy --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Overall I thought the writers of the Mayflower movie "Desperate Crossing" did an excellent and accurate job of telling the story from both the Pilgrims prospective and that of the Native tribes. However,I would have liked to have seen more than what was given on the Native peoples point of view and background. Speaking of the native peoples,one small detail in the film I found that was probably inaccurate was some of the Native men were shown bare chested in the middle of winter! Why did the writers of the movie not show them wearing animal furs as they would have been wearing in the frigid tempatures of a New England winter? Was it to perpetuate the stereotype of the rugged savage? If the Natives ran around in the dead of winter bare chested they would have died from exposure long before the Eurpeans brought diseases to them! (I'm a native of Vermont so I know personally how brutally cold New England winters are.)While I'm on the subject of attire I was pleased to see the Pilgrims not wearing the black and white clothing that they were always portrayed wearing back in my school days (1960's and 70's). I have done much reading and research on the Pilgrims since discovering that I descended from 4 who were on the Mayflower (Francis Cooke & his son John,George Soule and Richard Warren) and several persons who came to Plymouth shortly afterwards (Hester Cooke,daughter of Francis and her husband Richard Wright.and Rebecca Symonson/Simmons daughter of Moses Symonson/Simmons. I've also been to Plimouth Plantation and aboard the Maflower II which stirred up many emotions in me including admiration for all that my ancestors went through and the courage that it took to bring them across the Atlantic. This movie brought back the same feelings to me. I also have Mohican ancestry. ( The Mohicans were originally from New York state and up into the shores of Lake Champlain in Vermont.By the Revolutionary War my Mohican ancestors were living in western Massachusetts in Stockbridge. Eventually they were sent to Michigan to live on a reservation with another tribe where many still reside today. My ancestor however,moved from Stockbridge to northern Vermont after the Revolutionary War. So much for the myth of another movie "The Last of the Mohicans".) But back to the Pilgrims and the Wampanopg (spelling?) tirbe....I noticed several people mentioned about the Pilgrims digging up native graves and robbing them. I had read about their having taken some corn they'd dug up and about their uncovering the graves of some natives and of a European man.I'd read they took things from the European man's grave but not from the native graves out of respect. However I also vaguely recall reading somewhere that they did take goods from Native houses because they thought the natives had abandoned these goods when in fact the Natives had only left them in their summer homes and gone to their winter lodgings. They had not abandoned these things but wee planning on returning in the spring.What a shock to them upon their return to find their homes had been ransacked and their supply of corn stolen! I can't find the source I read this in at the moment but I know it was taken from one of the Pilgrims own accounts. Does anyone know which Pilgrim wrote this? Noreen Maloney LaTour Burlington,Vermont

Rob, the mention of "Clan MacKay USA" was not made by me, but by Scott. I left his address intact below for you. ( I had replied to something he said). Perhaps he can help you there. Joan On Nov 21, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Rob wrote: Hi Joan You may be able to crack my "brickwall" as my great grand mother was a Euphemia McKay / MacKay and your mention of " Clan MacKay USA " gave me a little hope as I have not been able to push back Euphemia's ancestry apart from her approx date of birth = June 1858 her marriage to my Great Grand father John W KEELER in Boston MA 28th April 1881 and her death 4th March 1927 in Dorchester MA on the birth certificate of her children of which there were seven she gave her place of birth as Boston except on one certificate she gave Prince Edward Island, on the marriage certificate she gave her parents names as William & Mary McKay. Can you or anyone else help me trace Euphemia's ancestry ? Regards Rob Wilkinson Farnham Surrey England Descendant of Thomas ROGERS, Stephen HOPKINS & William BREWSTER > > On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:40 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > >

John Doty, b. by 1640 m. bef 1668 Plymouth, Elizabeth Cooke, dau. of Jacob Cooke and Damaris Hopkins. He m. 2nd 22 Nov 1694, Sarah Jones. Joan Norstedt On Nov 21, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Noreen LaTour wrote: Attention : David Sylvester of Seaport,ME You stated that you're a descendant of Mayflower passenger Edward Doty through his son John and John's wife Elizabeth Cook.I was wondering if this Elizabeth Cooke was the daughter of Mayflower passenger Francis Cooke and his wife Hester Mahieu. The dates I have for the Elizabeth who was the daughter of Francis and Hester are as follows:born Dec.26,1611 in Leyden,Holland and died before May 22,1627 prob. in or near Plymouth,MA I have no other information on her.

I also couldn't watch it. I am in the US, but that channel is only on the expensive digital cable, and I can barely afford the basic cable. TTYS, Dawn Green

Rob - you are not the only one unable to get it. Unfortunately, we in Canada were greatly disappointed to find out that our History channel is the "Canadian" version, not the US one. (Thursday night we had an airing of a JFK documentary) I plan to purchase the DVD from the History channel ($24.95) but they will not release it until the New Year. (Luckily for me, a list member taped it and is sending me a copy.) But at least I will be able to view it. Susan www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing This programme sounds great, but for us poor members who live "over the pond" we do not have a clue what you are talking about I think the only way I will get to view it is to purchase it from the History Channel, but the drawback is it will probably be a Region One DVD and I will still not be able to view it (as I live in Region two). So you "American Cousins" enjoy the programme but please try not to dwell to much on it as we members from overseas will get terribly jealous Regards Rob Wilkinson Descendent of Thomas ROGERS, Stephen HOPKINS & William BREWSTER. living in little Old England

I thought so, too. The article I read said differently. :) Stubby Janean <[email protected]> wrote: I have that Remember married him. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of StubbyTate Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Allerton & Cushman Genealogy In an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, dated December 2, 1904, entitled "Everybody's Column," Remember Allerton is mentioned only as a passenger on the Mayflower (as well as other names listed) as arriving in Cape Cod on November 21, 1620 along side her sister, Sarah "who married Moses Maverick;" Interesting. Frank Nagy wrote: Hi, I am interested in any info. that you are willing to supply in regards to "Remember Allerton". I am a descendant of Remember (Isaac. Allerton). Sincerely, Frank Nagy --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment

Edward Winslow wrote that in the Pilgrims'initial exploration of Cape Cod, they followed a path that led to "certain heaps of sand, one whereof was covered with old mats, and had a wooden thing like a mortar whelmed on the top of it, and an earthen pot laid in a little hole at the end thereof. We, musing what it might be, digged and found a bow, and as we thought, arrows, but they were rotten. We supposed there were many other things, but because we deemed them graves, we put in the bow again and made it up as it was, and left the rest untouched, because we thought it would be odious unto them to ransack their sepulchres." In the second expedition they dug up another "place like a grave," although this contained the remains of a blond European sailor (in his sailor's cassock and with European sewing equipment) and his child, besides various utensils. The Pilgrims took "sundry of the prettiest things away with us, and covered the corpse up again." As this was obviously a European's grave, the removal was not considered desecration of an Indian grave. In the third exploration, the Pilgrims followed a path that took them to a palisaded graveyard. Winslow reported that "Within it was full of graves, some bigger and some less; some were also paled about, and others had like an Indian house made over them, but not matted. Those graves were more sumptuous than those at Cornhill, yet we digged none of them up, but only viewed them and went our way. Without the palisade were graves also, but not so costly." This is the only historical evidence there is about the Pilgrims' attitudes towards Indian graves. They consciously did not go around digging up Indian graves. The Pilgrims' attitude was relatively sensitive to the likely reaction of the Indians. The Pilgrims did not rob Indian graves. The self-styled historians of Plimoth Plantation (actors who have gotten together to think about how things might have been) have in recent years published the exact opposite of the truth about this, and their view has been repeated by authors who think that some expertise can be assumed for the anonymous "historians of Plimoth Plantation." It would be quite revealing if the "historians of Plimoth Plantation" were to identify themselves and indicate exactly what their training is that makes them historical experts. Just making it up doesn't ordinarily count. When I learned that the producer of this film was intending to give a platform to this nonsense it was one reason I had for not participating further. Jeremy Bangs [email protected] wrote: >I have a question about Desperate Crossing. WHY did they rob the Indian >graves? I have thought about that and not quite clear as to what they >found? I know they found buried corn in some places but what else? Robbing >graves seems rather barbaric. I hope Richard Warren, Francis Cooke and >Stephen Hopkins didn't rob the graves. :) > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 12:50 PM 11/21/2006, Craig Rich wrote: >Please drop this topic now. > > >Craig Rich >Sent from my BlackBerry > [snip] You just reposted it in its entirety. David (real name, but who cares)

Dick Eastman has it listed on his web site see http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/11/the_first_thank.ht ml or check with New Mexico Genealogical Society web site posting from a fellow researcher and avid genealogical writer Pauline Chavez Bent. http://www.nmgs.org/art1stThanks.htm

I have a question about Desperate Crossing. WHY did they rob the Indian graves? I have thought about that and not quite clear as to what they found? I know they found buried corn in some places but what else? Robbing graves seems rather barbaric. I hope Richard Warren, Francis Cooke and Stephen Hopkins didn't rob the graves. :)

Does anyone know if or when "Desperate Crossing" will be shown again? Or do you know if it available as a DVD? Betty Wardwell

"Desperate Crossing" will be shown on the History Channel, Thursday, Nov. 23, 8p.m. EST according to their website program listings. If you want to buy a DVD or VHS, you can buy it on line at the History Channel website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Wardwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing > Does anyone know if or when "Desperate Crossing" will be shown again? > Or do you know if it available as a DVD? > Betty Wardwell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 176 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com

Team, I have to ask what it matters what their agenda is. Unless, of course, the person in question is causing a disturbance. (I searched "genferret" on the web and this guy plays WoW like I do. His/Her comments have been questioned on the gaming boards, as well. The wheel is turning but I think the hamster got loose.) Personally, I like to lurk and read and learn because I'm so very new at genealogy that I've been gently admonished on other boards for speaking up and stating mis-information about what I THOUGHT to be fact. I stand corrected a lot. That keeps me from saying too much at any given time but I'm willing to help in the research as much as possible with my (invaluable!) subscription to www.genealogybank.com (wish they had MORE on there but it's still a fairly new site so I hold hope). If you have a roadblock or brickwall, please let me know and I'll be glad to do a look-up or two. The use of my nickname is to keep my ugly ex-husband (ex-convict) from tracking my status online as he doesn't know my current nickname. That's the only reason I use it and will continue to do so. It's not an perfect system but I feel ok with it. As for the family not knowing the research I'll be leaving behind, I have a sister and 2 cousins who will take care of things for me after I'm gone and will leave my documents in a safe place for family to get their hands on easily. I try to plan ahead. I'd be glad to offer some organizational tidbits if requested (after I find the notebook I wrote all my helpful hints and tricks down in). I realize this thread wasn't about me personally but thought I should speak up as I am a list-member. Stubby [email protected] wrote: I agree Herbert. A board like this is for research and sharing, not nick-picking about a name. If there is something to share, I don't care if they use the cutest name in the Universe. A lot of people view genealogy research as their own private information and refuse to give up anything except for an occasional name and maybe a date or two. Either that or they be glad to take any data you offer but never return an email to share their data. It's a shame that when they die, all their hard work will probably be tossed by a relative. Regards, Diane Researching Howland, Tilly, Brown, Cooke In a message dated 11/20/2006 9:44:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Instead of the silliness that you are engrossed in, why don't you have someone reply to my inquiry, of several months ago, about joining the Francis Cooke Society? Herbert Marshall -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Cute names Dear Joan: What I mean is people sign with cute names like GenFerrett or GIF. Nobody knows who these people are. Maybe thye have a hidden agenda. Or are just to embarrassed to say who they are. They can state things, but they hide behind there false names. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo - Calculate new house payment

I agree Herbert. A board like this is for research and sharing, not nick-picking about a name. If there is something to share, I don't care if they use the cutest name in the Universe. A lot of people view genealogy research as their own private information and refuse to give up anything except for an occasional name and maybe a date or two. Either that or they be glad to take any data you offer but never return an email to share their data. It's a shame that when they die, all their hard work will probably be tossed by a relative. Regards, Diane Researching Howland, Tilly, Brown, Cooke In a message dated 11/20/2006 9:44:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Instead of the silliness that you are engrossed in, why don't you have someone reply to my inquiry, of several months ago, about joining the Francis Cooke Society? Herbert Marshall -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Cute names Dear Joan: What I mean is people sign with cute names like GenFerrett or GIF. Nobody knows who these people are. Maybe thye have a hidden agenda. Or are just to embarrassed to say who they are. They can state things, but they hide behind there false names.