Thank you JC3 for the background. Diane On Sunday, December 3, 2006, at 04:28 PM, James Crippen wrote: > All American crown land initally was known as "Virginia"

Carole Kennedy: The "Crossings" movie touched lightly on what King James in England considered the Crown's lands in America at the time of the Pilgrims crossing.. Think of Florida as settled by Spain and present Nova Scotia as settled by the French.. England considered some point north of Florida as the southernmost point of "Virginia" and argued for all the land north to the St Laurence River.. All American crown land initally was known as "Virginia". Remember that land, for the most part, in Europe and Britian was crown owned , not individual owned. (Not to get too far off track, but early New York State was settled under this burger principal, huge land grants as opposed to individual plots.) The crown granted the Plymouth colony backers a colony position somewhere in Northern Virginia. This should give you a concept of how poorly the vastness of America was understood in Europe and Britian and also a remarkable appreciation for the seamanship of this Mayflower crew. They landed near one of the few known landmarks of "Northern Virginia", the cape, although their goal was closer to the Hudson River they did settle west of the cape. Think of the east coast of America as having Nova Scotia, Virginia and Florida. I know there are more details germane to the discussion and surely some quasi geography professor will summon up the courage to describe the Pilgrims quest in more detail, soon. This Nova Scotia, Virginia, Florida principle will hold until defeated. Incidentally, the Nova Scotia area was held initally by the French so you had French America, British America and Spanish America. The French and Indian War some few years later resolved borders more along the lines as we know them today. The F & I War also displaced the French from Nova Scotia who re-settled in Louisianna. While your question may be elementary it has not been addressed in some time. We get a few more "newbie" Mayflower family scholars each year with varing levels of geographic expertise. Ask away. We are all here to help. Regards, JC3 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Luce <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, December 3, 2006 8:53 am Subject: Re: [MFLR] Connection of Mayflower Passengers with Jamestown, Virginia To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > The pilgrims original destination was indeed Virginia, however, not > the Virginia we think of today. They had planned to start a settlement > on the very northern boundary of what was then called Virginia, the > southern bank of the Hudson River. > > Saturday, December 2, 2006, 5:23:52 PM, you wrote: > > > I've read that the original destination of the Mayflower was > Virginia rather > > than Plymouth. > > > I'm sorry to ask such an elementary question, but were there > family > > connections between the early Virginia settlers and Plymouth > Colony settlers? > > > Thanks, > > > Carol Kennedy > > -- > Robert Luce <[email protected]> > On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. > L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. > -Antoine de Saint Exupéry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe [email protected] from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The pilgrims original destination was indeed Virginia, however, not the Virginia we think of today. They had planned to start a settlement on the very northern boundary of what was then called Virginia, the southern bank of the Hudson River. Saturday, December 2, 2006, 5:23:52 PM, you wrote: > I've read that the original destination of the Mayflower was Virginia rather > than Plymouth. > I'm sorry to ask such an elementary question, but were there family > connections between the early Virginia settlers and Plymouth Colony settlers? > Thanks, > Carol Kennedy -- Robert Luce <[email protected]> On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. -Antoine de Saint Exupéry

In a message dated 12/2/2006 8:24:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I've read that the original destination of the Mayflower was Virginia rather than Plymouth. I'm sorry to ask such an elementary question, but were there family connections between the early Virginia settlers and Plymouth Colony settlers? Thanks, Carol Kennedy I believe that the destination of the Mayflower was Northern Virginia, a place near Cape Cod. And the Pilgrims landed right where they were headed. It would have been rather simple if they were off course in December to restock with water and a few supplies and head south if they were off course. Dave from Long Island.

I've read that the original destination of the Mayflower was Virginia rather than Plymouth. I'm sorry to ask such an elementary question, but were there family connections between the early Virginia settlers and Plymouth Colony settlers? Thanks, Carol Kennedy

I'm looking through my boxes of genealogical papers to see if I can find the source. Meanwhile, I found a couple of websites that have even more info on Elizabeth Noyes. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~silversmiths/17/8124.htm (I see this site says that John and Elizabeth were married in 1643 in England rather than in Sudbury MA, which is what I had. http://www.dianneandpaul.net/DianneGenealogy/d0004/g0000024.html#I1185 Elizabeth NOYES? (FREEMAN) Widow was born about 1629 in Penton Grafton, England. Pope's Pioneers of Massachusetts. She is said to have been the widow of John Freeman, husbandman, Sudbury; proprietor in 1639. He (?) Came at age 35 in the Abigial in July 1635 Parents: Peter NOYES and Abigail? UNKNOWN http://www.mayflowerfamilies.com/cooke/d28.htm#P1946 Here's some good info on the Noyes ancestry: http://www.gulbangi.com/genrpts/descjnoyes.htm Colleen Randy & Nancy Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: What is the source for the last name of Elizabeth Noyes? I have only TAG 17 (July 1940) which is quite old. At that time her last name was unknown. thanks, Randy At 08:15 AM 12/1/2006, you wrote: >I also have Freeman ancestry. Here's what I have. > > John Freeman, b. 1536 Suxxex, England > Edmund Freeman, b. 1566 Pulborough, Sessex County, England (immigrated to Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1635; settled in Sudbury in 1639. Married Alice Cole.) > John Freeman, b. circa 1600 England, died 1648 Sudbury MA, m. Elizabeth Noyes. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cooke, Mitchell, Saunders, Neily Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/929 Message Board Post: I'm new to this list and this area of research. Perhaps someone can guide me. Late on the eve of this Thanksgiving I thought I hit the jackpot connecting my Mary Mitchell to the Francis Cooke line. After checking the Mayflower list's archives (2001), my exhilaration went poof! Perhaps there have been some new findings - or someone can set me straight. Timothy SAUNDERS (Mary MITCHELL5, Andrew4, Thomas3, Jane COOKE2, Francis1), The problem -- Thomas' identity and offspring were in question according to 2001 archive post. Is that still the case? Thanks for any assistance. Diane Jameson, California From: "S. Roser" <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: [MFLR] Thomas Mitchell3 (Jane2 Cooke) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:48:01 -0400 Thomas Mitchell, son of Experience & Jane (Cook) Mitchell is not known to have married or left descendants. He last appears in the Plymouth colony records in 1672 then disappears. It is thought he may be the same who turned up in RI in 1673 and Block Island in 1678 but proof is lacking. The Thomas of Block Island is attributed with sons Thomas, John & Joseph - no Andrew mentioned here either. NEHGR 82:456-64 has a genealogy for Thomas Mitchell of Block Island. Susan E. Roser

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/321.1.1.1 Message Board Post: > I tried the link but it didn't work. There was a letter transposition in the link that Vicki posted - it should be www.nehgs.org. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FO.2ADI/321.1.1 Message Board Post: I tried the link but it didn't work. Here's the one that did- http://www.newenglandancestors.org/

What is the source for the last name of Elizabeth Noyes? I have only TAG 17 (July 1940) which is quite old. At that time her last name was unknown. thanks, Randy At 08:15 AM 12/1/2006, you wrote: >I also have Freeman ancestry. Here's what I have. > > John Freeman, b. 1536 Suxxex, England > Edmund Freeman, b. 1566 Pulborough, Sessex County, England (immigrated to Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1635; settled in Sudbury in 1639. Married Alice Cole.) > John Freeman, b. circa 1600 England, died 1648 Sudbury MA, m. Elizabeth Noyes.

Hi, Would anyone know of any Freeman lines that went to Missouri? My son-in-law is a Freeman and my grandchildren. Thanks Iris ----- Original Message ----- From: "MsTigerHawk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Ancestors >I also have Freeman ancestry. Here's what I have. > > John Freeman, b. 1536 Suxxex, England > Edmund Freeman, b. 1566 Pulborough, Sessex County, England (immigrated > to Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1635; settled in Sudbury in 1639. Married > Alice Cole.) > John Freeman, b. circa 1600 England, died 1648 Sudbury MA, m. > Elizabeth Noyes. > Sergeant Joseph Freeman, b. March 29, 1645, Sudbury MN, d. Feb > 2, 1697/98 Preston CT, married Dorothy Haynes on May 6, 1680, in Sudbury > MA. > John Freeman, b. March 16, 1680/81 Sudbury MA, d. June 25, > 1725, m. Abigail Witter, had the following children: Dorothy, Elizabeth, > John, Ebenezer, James, Abigail, and Sarah. > James Freeman, b. Jan 1716/17 Preston CT; baptized > March 31, 1717 Preston CT, d. Jan 5, 1802; m. Phebe Kinne Aug 16, 1739 > Preston CT > Elisha Freeman, b.l Sept 4, 1756 Norwich CT, d > before Sept 7, 1834 Napoli, Cataraugus Cty, NY; m. Miriam Burr (1st cousin > to Aaron Burr) > Rosamond Freeman, b. May 20, 1787, d. Jan > 27, 1847, m. Alval Cole on Jan 8, 1804. > > > So it goes like this: > > Henry Freeman m. Mary Wintesholl (sp?) > John Freeman m. Miss Isham > Edmund Freeman m. Alice Cole > John Freeman m. Elizabeth Noyes > Sergeant Joseph Freeman m. Dorothy Haynes > John Freeman m. Abigail Witter > James Freeman m. Phebe Kinne > Elisha Freeman m. Miriam Burr > Rosamond Freeman m. Alvah Cole > Peter Burr Cole m. Harriet Luper (Lupher) > Flora (Winnie) Cole (unmarried) > Cordie Cole m. Peter A. Downey (her first > cousin) > Anna Effie Gertrude Cole m. William Downey > Peter A. Downey m. Cordie Cole > Bernice Downey (unmarried until > later) > Colleen Sue Downey m. Barry > Morse (and divorced him) > Jennifer Morse m. David > Spartz > Justin Ulysses Morse > (unmarried so far) > Charles Thomas Downey m. > Rebecca Mason > (Charles changed his > name to Downey; it was Morse) > (Charles and Becky are > not planning to have kids.) > Marcus Alexander Champlin > > > Children of Elisha Freeman and Miriam Burr > Rebecca, b. 1781 > Betsey, b. 1783 > Sarah, b. 1785 > Rosamond, b. 1787 > Lois, b. 1790 > Elisha, b & d 1790 > Susannah, b. 1792 > Stephen, b. 1794 > Clarissa, b. 1796 > Rheuby, b. 1798 > > > Children of James Freeman & Phebe Kinne > Ezra (1740 - 1793) > James (1742 - 1820) > Amos (1745 - 1762) > Phebe (1747 - 1786) > Gideon (1749 - 1809) > Silas (1752 - 1809) > Elijah (1754 - 1836) > Elisha (1756 - 1834) > Stephen (1759 - 1827) > Lois (1761 - 1840) > > > Children of John Freeman & Abigail Witter > Dorothy, b. 1709 > John (1712 - 1795) > Ebenezer, b. 1714 > James, b. circa 1717 > Abigail, b. 1718 > Sarah, b. 1724 > > > Children of Sergeant Joseph Freeman & Dorothy Haynes > John (1680 - 1725) > Joseph (1684 - 1733) > Dorothy (1687 - 1725) > Elizabeth (1690 - 1757) > > > Children of John Freeman & Elizabeth Noyes > Joseph (1645 - 1698) > James (1647 - 1647) > Elizabeth, b. 1648 > > > Colleen Downey Morse > Minnesota > > > > "Norman V. James" <[email protected]> wrote: > Christie, > Another date that bothers me is the birth date I was given for John > Freeman.If he was born 2-3-1665;He had to have his son John when he was > 13.Son was born 7-1678.Cant be right. > Norm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Ancestors > > >> >> In a message dated 11/30/2006 7:47:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> 15-Me 1937- >> Wife-Ernestine 1939 >> 5 children & 13 grandchildren. >> 12-Jonathan A James >> >> >> >> Who is 12 - Jonathan A. James? Is he really generation 13? >> >> Who is the ME in generation 12? Are you Norman V. -- being a Junior? >> >> Mercy Prence 1639-1711 MF#27345 >> John Freeman 1625-1719 >> John Freeman 1665 MF#13260 >> John Freeman 1678-1767 MF#13261 >> Mercy Watson 1683-1745 >> >> >> I'm a bit confused by the dates of birth you list for both Mercy >> Prence and >> John Freeman. For Mercy I have bef 28 Sept 1631 and you give a date 8 >> years >> later. Where did you get that year? For John I have about 1622, you >> gave >> 1625. Where did you get that year? >> >> You didn't list a wife for their son John Freeman and the year of >> death is >> not what I have found. You say John Freeman died 1665. I have 27 >> July 1721. >> Could this 1665 date be for some other child? His wife's name - and >> he had >> two, but the one you need is Sarah Merrick. >> >> > Lydia >> Barlow and followed on to myself.> Yeap. That's the way it usually >> works! >> >> Christie Trapp >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 07:48 AM 12/1/2006, Raymond Wing wrote: >A quick look at my records has John Freeman b. Eastham 2 DEC >1651. I believe this record would appear somewhere in the >Mayflower Descendant Series. MD 17:199. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml

Christie, Another date that bothers me is the birth date I was given for John Freeman.If he was born 2-3-1665;He had to have his son John when he was 13.Son was born 7-1678.Cant be right. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Ancestors > > In a message dated 11/30/2006 7:47:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > 15-Me 1937- > Wife-Ernestine 1939 > 5 children & 13 grandchildren. > 12-Jonathan A James > > > > Who is 12 - Jonathan A. James? Is he really generation 13? > > Who is the ME in generation 12? Are you Norman V. -- being a Junior? > > Mercy Prence 1639-1711 MF#27345 > John Freeman 1625-1719 > John Freeman 1665 MF#13260 > John Freeman 1678-1767 MF#13261 > Mercy Watson 1683-1745 > > > I'm a bit confused by the dates of birth you list for both Mercy > Prence and > John Freeman. For Mercy I have bef 28 Sept 1631 and you give a date 8 > years > later. Where did you get that year? For John I have about 1622, you > gave > 1625. Where did you get that year? > > You didn't list a wife for their son John Freeman and the year of > death is > not what I have found. You say John Freeman died 1665. I have 27 > July 1721. > Could this 1665 date be for some other child? His wife's name - and > he had > two, but the one you need is Sarah Merrick. > > <It was really strange that all lines descended to Nicholas King & > Lydia > Barlow and followed on to myself.> Yeap. That's the way it usually > works! > > Christie Trapp > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Christie, Yes,ME is myself.I am Norman Vincent James , Jr.born 1937.Ernestine is my wife born 1939. Jonathan Anthony James is my grandfather from Newport,R.I. In my Brewster generations;I am the 14th in line from him. In the Warren--Cooke;I am # 13 from them. In regard to the dates supplied;I got them years ago from where I do not remember.It was before computers. Nicholas and Lydia;I know are correct as they are my 3rd great grandparents and are buried in Newport,R.I. with the dates on their tombstone. I inadvertently forgot to include John Freeman's wife.I knew it was Sarah Merrick.I do not have dates for her. The Brewster line was supplied to me by a Society member.I knew already that Lydia Barlow had a connection to Warren/Cooke,but I was missing the names of John Freemen--Sarah Merrick.She supplied the link to Brewster.The only dates she supplied were John Freeman and Mercy Watson. Any other questions or info would be appreciated. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Ancestors > > In a message dated 11/30/2006 7:47:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > 15-Me 1937- > Wife-Ernestine 1939 > 5 children & 13 grandchildren. > 12-Jonathan A James > > > > Who is 12 - Jonathan A. James? Is he really generation 13? > > Who is the ME in generation 12? Are you Norman V. -- being a Junior? > > Mercy Prence 1639-1711 MF#27345 > John Freeman 1625-1719 > John Freeman 1665 MF#13260 > John Freeman 1678-1767 MF#13261 > Mercy Watson 1683-1745 > > > I'm a bit confused by the dates of birth you list for both Mercy > Prence and > John Freeman. For Mercy I have bef 28 Sept 1631 and you give a date 8 > years > later. Where did you get that year? For John I have about 1622, you > gave > 1625. Where did you get that year? > > You didn't list a wife for their son John Freeman and the year of > death is > not what I have found. You say John Freeman died 1665. I have 27 > July 1721. > Could this 1665 date be for some other child? His wife's name - and > he had > two, but the one you need is Sarah Merrick. > > <It was really strange that all lines descended to Nicholas King & > Lydia > Barlow and followed on to myself.> Yeap. That's the way it usually > works! > > Christie Trapp > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also have Freeman ancestry. Here's what I have. John Freeman, b. 1536 Suxxex, England Edmund Freeman, b. 1566 Pulborough, Sessex County, England (immigrated to Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1635; settled in Sudbury in 1639. Married Alice Cole.) John Freeman, b. circa 1600 England, died 1648 Sudbury MA, m. Elizabeth Noyes. Sergeant Joseph Freeman, b. March 29, 1645, Sudbury MN, d. Feb 2, 1697/98 Preston CT, married Dorothy Haynes on May 6, 1680, in Sudbury MA. John Freeman, b. March 16, 1680/81 Sudbury MA, d. June 25, 1725, m. Abigail Witter, had the following children: Dorothy, Elizabeth, John, Ebenezer, James, Abigail, and Sarah. James Freeman, b. Jan 1716/17 Preston CT; baptized March 31, 1717 Preston CT, d. Jan 5, 1802; m. Phebe Kinne Aug 16, 1739 Preston CT Elisha Freeman, b.l Sept 4, 1756 Norwich CT, d before Sept 7, 1834 Napoli, Cataraugus Cty, NY; m. Miriam Burr (1st cousin to Aaron Burr) Rosamond Freeman, b. May 20, 1787, d. Jan 27, 1847, m. Alval Cole on Jan 8, 1804. So it goes like this: Henry Freeman m. Mary Wintesholl (sp?) John Freeman m. Miss Isham Edmund Freeman m. Alice Cole John Freeman m. Elizabeth Noyes Sergeant Joseph Freeman m. Dorothy Haynes John Freeman m. Abigail Witter James Freeman m. Phebe Kinne Elisha Freeman m. Miriam Burr Rosamond Freeman m. Alvah Cole Peter Burr Cole m. Harriet Luper (Lupher) Flora (Winnie) Cole (unmarried) Cordie Cole m. Peter A. Downey (her first cousin) Anna Effie Gertrude Cole m. William Downey Peter A. Downey m. Cordie Cole Bernice Downey (unmarried until later) Colleen Sue Downey m. Barry Morse (and divorced him) Jennifer Morse m. David Spartz Justin Ulysses Morse (unmarried so far) Charles Thomas Downey m. Rebecca Mason (Charles changed his name to Downey; it was Morse) (Charles and Becky are not planning to have kids.) Marcus Alexander Champlin Children of Elisha Freeman and Miriam Burr Rebecca, b. 1781 Betsey, b. 1783 Sarah, b. 1785 Rosamond, b. 1787 Lois, b. 1790 Elisha, b & d 1790 Susannah, b. 1792 Stephen, b. 1794 Clarissa, b. 1796 Rheuby, b. 1798 Children of James Freeman & Phebe Kinne Ezra (1740 - 1793) James (1742 - 1820) Amos (1745 - 1762) Phebe (1747 - 1786) Gideon (1749 - 1809) Silas (1752 - 1809) Elijah (1754 - 1836) Elisha (1756 - 1834) Stephen (1759 - 1827) Lois (1761 - 1840) Children of John Freeman & Abigail Witter Dorothy, b. 1709 John (1712 - 1795) Ebenezer, b. 1714 James, b. circa 1717 Abigail, b. 1718 Sarah, b. 1724 Children of Sergeant Joseph Freeman & Dorothy Haynes John (1680 - 1725) Joseph (1684 - 1733) Dorothy (1687 - 1725) Elizabeth (1690 - 1757) Children of John Freeman & Elizabeth Noyes Joseph (1645 - 1698) James (1647 - 1647) Elizabeth, b. 1648 Colleen Downey Morse Minnesota "Norman V. James" <[email protected]> wrote: Christie, Another date that bothers me is the birth date I was given for John Freeman.If he was born 2-3-1665;He had to have his son John when he was 13.Son was born 7-1678.Cant be right. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Ancestors > > In a message dated 11/30/2006 7:47:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > 15-Me 1937- > Wife-Ernestine 1939 > 5 children & 13 grandchildren. > 12-Jonathan A James > > > > Who is 12 - Jonathan A. James? Is he really generation 13? > > Who is the ME in generation 12? Are you Norman V. -- being a Junior? > > Mercy Prence 1639-1711 MF#27345 > John Freeman 1625-1719 > John Freeman 1665 MF#13260 > John Freeman 1678-1767 MF#13261 > Mercy Watson 1683-1745 > > > I'm a bit confused by the dates of birth you list for both Mercy > Prence and > John Freeman. For Mercy I have bef 28 Sept 1631 and you give a date 8 > years > later. Where did you get that year? For John I have about 1622, you > gave > 1625. Where did you get that year? > > You didn't list a wife for their son John Freeman and the year of > death is > not what I have found. You say John Freeman died 1665. I have 27 > July 1721. > Could this 1665 date be for some other child? His wife's name - and > he had > two, but the one you need is Sarah Merrick. > > > Lydia > Barlow and followed on to myself.> Yeap. That's the way it usually > works! > > Christie Trapp > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

A quick look at my records has John Freeman b. Eastham 2 DEC 1651. I believe this record would appear somewhere in the Mayflower Descendant Series. Raymond T. Wing Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA] www.wingfamily.org

I have this source from "History of Putnam County, New York" by William S. Pelletreau (not known when first published) - 1975 commemorative edition (Brewster, New York), Putnam Valley Library, which states on page 492: The quote from above paper, in "abstract form" states the following: "Hackaliah Theall was born November 18, 1778, and died December 29, 1824. He married Huldah, daughter of Thatcher Hopkins. Their children were Lydia L., b. May 29, 1804 who married Levi Jennings: Nancy G., born September 3, 1806, and she married Israel Underhill; Nellie A., born February 22, 1898, married Bottsford Noble, Judge Thatcher H., born August 11, 1810, died January 16, 1886; Arvah, born November 26, 1812, Orwin, born November 26, 1815, and Susan, born December 31, 1819, married Aaron Jennings. The homestead where the family were born was the farm at Croton Falls, now (then?) owned by Joel Purdy. The only members of the family now (then) living are/were Mrs. Noble, Arvah and Orwin. The last resides at Peekskill." ---------------------- Would someone help me with a book -look-up or any kind of information to confirm that above article still holds this as truth, as I know over time, more and different information comes to light. Thank you to all. D

In a message dated 11/30/2006 12:29:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: You are correct.Lydia and Nicholas are #9.I probably goofed because both Obed and Lydia descend from Mayflower passengers. I have most of the items needed to submit but can't seem to find the time. The wives or husbands are listed under the Mayflower people with a number accepted by the Mayflower Society or so I'm told. Obed married Elizabeth,his cousin.She has a Mayflower #,He does not that I am aware of. I should have left off the #'s as they might confuse. Lydia had a MF# but Nicholas does not.,again that I know of. Elizabeth,wife of Obed ; Her father was Samuel Barlow. Obed.His father was Thomas Barlow Thanks for the clarification. You can ask the Mayflower Society to provide you with copies of the Mayflower applications. There is a fee to get them, but that might help you with your documentation and it will help with your proofs. You will need to submit documentation on the people who have not been identified in the applications, so your work may have already been done and you don't need to spin your wheels for those lines that have already been proven. That means you will probably have to only prove maybe 4 generations? Yourself and your wife, your parents, grandparents and probably great-grandparents. It's not hard if someone else has already submitted and been accepted. Christie Trapp

A list member who is having trouble posting asked me to post this for him. -- Craig Rich List administrator ----------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Norman V. James" <[email protected]> Below I list the descent of my Mayflower names. I have known for some time I was related but never received the proofs required to submit. I will shortly. I must give credit for the Brewster connection to Lynde Randall. Without her help I would have never known of that line. Thanks Lynde. MY LINES Francis Cooke ? -1663 Hester Le Mahieu ? -1866 1-Richard Warren 1579-1628 2-Sarah Warren 1614-1696 3-John Cooke 1607-1695 4-Esther Cooke 1650-1672 Thomas Taber 1645-1730 5-Esther Taber 1671-1749 Samual Perry 1667-1751 6-Elizabeth Perry 1690-1759 Peleg Barlow 1692-1759 7-Thomas Barlow 1718-1768 Mehitable Wing 1724-1794 8-Obed Barlow 1751-1839 9-Elizabeth Barlow1756-1842 MF#1918 10-Lydia Barlow 1786-1862 MF#1920 Nicholas King 1787-1851 11-Jane Shaw King 1786-1862 Jonathan James 1809-1891 12-Thomas F James1845-1933 Annie Cannon 1844-1892 13-Jonathan A James1888-1954 Annie Walsh 1887-1932 14-Norman V James 1917-1977 Loretta Living 1917- 15-Me 1937- Wife-Ernestine 1939 5 children & 13 grandchildren. 12-Jonathan A James 2ND LINE William Brewster 1557-1644 MF#4871 Mary ? Patience Brewster ? -1634 MF#4708 Thomas Prence -1673 Mercy Prence 1639-1711 MF#27345 John Freeman 1625-1719 John Freeman 1665 MF#13260 John Freeman 1678-1767 MF#13261 Mercy Watson 1683-1745 Mercy Freeman 1707-1745 MF#13351 Zaccheus Handy 1708-1787 Mary Handy 1738-1763 MF#15768 Samual Barlow 1726-1773 Elizabeth Barlow cousin MF#1918 Obed Barlow cousin MF# Lydia Barlow MF#1920 Nicholas King Jane Shaw King Jonathan James Thomas James Annie Cannon Jonathan A> James Annie Walsh Norman V.James Loretta Me It was really strange that all lines descended to Nicholas King & Lydia Barlow and followed on to myself.

Christie, You are correct.Lydia and Nicholas are #9.I probably goofed because both Obed and Lydia descend from Mayflower passengers. I have most of the items needed to submit but can't seem to find the time. The wives or husbands are listed under the Mayflower people with a number accepted by the Mayflower Society or so I'm told. Obed married Elizabeth,his cousin.She has a Mayflower #,He does not that I am aware of. I should have left off the #'s as they might confuse. Lydia had a MF# but Nicholas does not.,again that I know of. Elizabeth,wife of Obed ; Her father was Samuel Barlow. Obed.His father was Thomas Barlow. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower Ancestors > > In a message dated 11/30/2006 7:47:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Norman V. > James" <[email protected] writes: > > 8-Obed Barlow 1751-1839 > 9-Elizabeth Barlow1756-1842 MF#1918 > 10-Lydia Barlow 1786-1862 MF#1920 > Nicholas King 1787-1851 > > > > While it may be correct, I am having a problem with the dates between > generations 8 and 9 - they are too close together. > > Did you mean to post generation nine as the wife of Obediah Barlow? > Then > generation nine is really Lydia Barlow - Nicholas King? > > Perhaps you can clarify this link. > > Christie Trapp > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >