Don, At first, I thought as I am sure many of my ancestors must have when they come to this country. And that was, That very living person should have the right to his or her own opinions and ideas. Heck, they even fought wars so that YOU and I would have the same right of free speech, and the right to invent new and better ways of doing things. But, No way did they come to this country, and or fight all the wars so YOU and I could force OUR own will on others. I have as much right to use this list as you and your group do, As long as I go by the rules. I can assure You and everyone on this list that I have no interest investment, or own any company that would benefit from me doing my research the way we were doing it on this list before your DNA idea came along. And to be completely fair to your idea I went to the DNA website that was posted on this list and read it. "Even researched the cost of doing these test." So, It is very hard for me, and I stress, only in my opinion that there must be more than just DNA at the bottom of all this forcing of your idea onto the rest of us. Could it be the all-mighty $$$$$. Don't get me wrong, I wish you and yours the very best in your endeavors of DNA. And that, any of the companies that you may or may not support, and or may or may not be affiliated with do well. Remember, That is one of the most important reasons our ancestors came to this country. Free trade, The right to free enterprise, And most of all the right to free speech.. This will be my last "free speech right" on this subject. Just, as my list brothers Larry & Harry have the right to voice their opinions of what I should do. Hey, I still respect them for that was, and is still their right to do. Again, I do not care if all of you have DNA testing, that is your right. But, for me as one of this lists members, I can not afford the cost involved in you DNA testing program. But, Believe me Don, I do trust, and believe in DNA testing. It has been used in my family at least one time that I know of. "When they brought my dead cousin back from Vet-Nam." There were no teeth left for a dental match.!!!!! Dale. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Maxwell To: MAXWELL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: [MAXWELL-L] New family relation found Pa & Ky/Ohio I consider any type of research technique concerning a specific family to be genealogy. Posted below is the most recent Maxwell connections from the DNA study. I have a few paper proofs in my possession that do not prove an exact relationship, only a close family relationship. An example would be a will where it says "James Maxwell ,... my kinsman..."...I do not know if this is a cousin, nephew, uncle, 2nd cousin etc....I understand that the word kinsman can sometimes mean son in law , father in law etc.... A DNA match is similiar , it proves a family connection but not an exact relationship...and it has the power of science backing it up! The most powerful use of DNA is the "mismatch" as it absolutely, irrefutably proves no relationship. When the paper trail runs dry, we ALL make our best guesses as to who the most likely father of an individual was....this study was designed to assist researchers at an absolute dead end....to disprove a relationship (a mismatch....allows one to stop searching a particular line)...or reiterates the need to continue (ie find the paper proof). Starting a new group is self-defeating as many may not see a possible lineage connection and miss important information. In other words its not about DNA , its about finding new MAxwell family connections. We need to respect each others postings and try to facilitate further advances and links between our lines. Now for the good news: DNA has found exact 12 matches between the following lines: 1.William Maxwell b bef 1740 (m. Eliz McCutcheon and Jane Pilson)2.William Maxwell b 1767 m. Nancy Robbins (this is the famous early Ohio Printer) 3.Thomas Maxwell (1738-1785) m. Ann Blackmar 4.Robert Maxwell (d 1792) m. Elizabeth _______ As posted yesterday Thomas (#3) and Robert(#4) were thought to be brothers as they both died in Nottingham township, Chester County, Pa...so no surprise...and it supports this theory. But William (#1 and #2) were complete surprises....the dates and similiar names point to a possible father/son or uncle/nephew relationship....William #1 may also have been in Chester Co., PA. prior to Ky. Another result involves the Adams/York Co., Pa MAxwell line found in Maxwell genealogy by Houston book. It involves a "mismatch" and they are therefore not related to those lines mentioned above: Summary (from Maxwell hx, and paper proofs): A.John and Izabel (Mcgrew) Maxwell had at least three sons: 1. James who married Mary Campbell 2. Robert who married Emelia Scoggin (Emme) 3. John who married Isabella Dodd Therefore, Robert Maxwell /Emme were uncle and aunt to Robert/Deborah Weirman of Ohio, and John Maxwell/ Isabella Dodd were uncle and aunt to John Maxwell /Ruth Cypherd. ( see Maxwell Hx book for details). I would have bet money they were related to my line and in fact I have spent years researching this clan as I felt this was the line to which my Thomas belonged. So I am going to refocus on William (#1 and #2 above) and begin a new search on lines that I have done essentially no research....the study has indeed provided huge benefit to me in my own personal search! Sorry for the long posting but I thought most people would like for me to share new information as it becomes available. Dedicated to Maxwell family genealogy, Don MAXWELL DNA website: http://hometown.aol.com/dnamaxwell/myhomepage/index.html THOMAS MAXWELL (1738-1785 Pa) website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=donmaxwell&id=I18288 >From: LTCMAX117@aol.com Reply-To: MAXWELL-L@rootsweb.com To: >MAXWELL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAXWELL-L] DNA Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 >23:06:37 EDT > >To reply to Clyde Burns concerning the situation he posed: > >If the two descendants had the DNA analysis, they would either match or not >match, that is certain. > >If their Y-chromosome markers match 12 for 12, they are related, but the >MRCA (most-recent-common -ancestor) may not be the grandfather or even the >great grandfathers, it could go farther back. > >BUT MORE IMPORTANT, and a point that is being over-looked, if they do not >match, then we know that those grandfathers are not brothers. We got a >negative result, and in normal genealogical research, negative results >(probably 75 to 85% of the time) narrow the field and allow us to >concentrate elsewhere. We have all experienced this, over and over again! > >I agree there are "probabilities" involved with DNA, but in this example of >a negative result, it looks to me like a bullseye! Don, please comment if I >have strayed from the mark. (co-administrator, Max). > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

> I have as much right to use this list as you > and your group do, As long as I go by the rules. > <snip> this forcing of your idea > onto the rest of us. Could it be the all-mighty > $$$$$. Ya know - you talk about going by the rules and then go right on and insult him/her by insinuating that he/she will profit by the DNA (which is total BS) and that he/she is "forcing" this idea on you. Personally, I think you've bordered on breaking "rules" yourself. And others have talked about "the DNAers" being rude. I think they are just being defensive/responsive to an attack on their posts (they didn't initiate the rudeness). The people who don't want to read about it were being very rude (IMO) (by not respecting their right to post information). They (IMO) are not just posting irrelevant DNA information - they are posting information relating to the genetic tests to try to prove/disprove a MAXWELL genealogical line. I have a right (as do others) to post relevant geneology information. I find the subject of DNA is appropriate to genealogy (there is a science to it - not perfect yet but still a validity). There is a lot of genealogy that flows through this list that is not of interest to me but it is to others .. the same goes for DNA. I find it sad that some of the list members are so antagonistic about something that IS geneology related just because it doesn't "interest" them. jmo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

If you only want the meat, skip to below my signature. I have stayed on the sidelines the past couple of weeks watching the discourse between the Pro and Con factions regarding the compatibility of genealogy and DNA research. For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone would object to using modern research techniques to either support or challenge possible relationships between different lineages. I have been doing my own research since 1974. I have scanned through countless pieces of microfiche and rolls of microfilm, written letters to county courts and local offices of vital statistics and driven hundreds of miles to pour over large tomes at major libraries. Today I surf the Internet. I frequent many of the much maligned sites sponsored by the LDS, Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com. I subscribe to more than thirty RootsWeb mailing lists. I utilize e-mail to the fullest extent, asking as many questions of others as they ask me. I consider all of these are additional tools for me. I have not discontinued my old methods. I take that back. Today I only look at census records on microfilm as a last resort. The quality of the images available online and the ability to zoom in on them have given my eyes great relief! I am not ashamed. Additionally, I still follow the Golden Rule of Genealogy => Verify! Verify! Verify! I have corresponded and collaborated actively with Don Maxwell for at least five years. I assure you he is not in this (Genealogy or DNA Research) for the money. Don is a dedicated genealogy fanatic in the truest sense of the word. He and I are both at a brick wall on our Maxwell lines. Our common migration patterns cause us to suspect we are of the same line. Unfortunately, I am not a direct male descendant. Regardless, someday we will know if our suspicions are correct. I believe the modern methods will help us reach this goal. Enough soap box! Ray Justus Chandler, AZ Below are my four oldest Maxwell generations. I have many more details than are shown here If any of you believe you have a possible link, addition or correction, please contact me. Descendants of Thomas Maxwell 1 Thomas Maxwell b: in Dumfriesshire, Scotland .. +Hamilton . 2 Thomas Maxwell b: Abt. January 2, 1767 in Trenton, Hunterdon County, New Jersey d: October 5, 1820 in Montgomery County, Ohio ..... +Rachel Chambers b: in New Jersey NOTE: The first five children listed with this couple have asterisks after their given names. That is because I am still researching the connections and do not have definite proof that there are connections. It is easier for me to carry them as their children while I continue the research. I do know that Thomas and Rachel did have twelve children. Several pieces of information suggest strongly that the first five children are closely related to Thomas and Rachel if they are not actually their children. ... 3 David* Maxwell b: Abt. 1792 in New Jersey ....... +Elizabeth McCashon m: March 24, 1814 in Greene County, Ohio ..... 4 John Maxwell b: Abt. 1817 in Ohio ..... 4 William Maxwell b: Abt. 1821 in Ohio ..... 4 David K. Maxwell b: Abt. 1823 in Ohio ..... 4 Fletcher E. Maxwell b: Abt. 1832 in Ohio ..... 4 Rachael J. Maxwell b: Abt. 1835 in Ohio ... 3 Rachel* Maxwell b: January 14, 1796 d: May 10, 1859 ....... +Daniel Small b: March 13, 1788 m: February 8, 1816 in Montgomery County, Ohio d: September 14, 1823 ..... 4 Andrew Small d: May 22, 1860 ..... 4 Margaret Small b: 1817 ......... +William Schenk b: 1812 ... 3 Sarah* Maxwell ....... +John Vinder m: November 24, 1823 in Montgomery County, Ohio ... 3 Thomas* Maxwell b: May 29, 1800 in Monmouth County, New Jersey d: 1881 in Miami County, Ohio .... *1st Wife of Thomas* Maxwell: ....... +Susannah John aka: Susanna Jones m: February 4, 1824 in Montgomery County, Ohio d: 1839 in Miami County, Ohio ..... 4 Stephen S. Maxwell aka: Stephen J. Maxwell b: Abt. 1825 in Ohio d: Bef. 1900 in Staunton Township, Miami County, Ohio ......... +Jane L. Stewart m: 1851 in Miami County, Ohio ..... 4 Martha A. Maxwell d: Bef. 1880 ......... +William Duncan aka: William Dunkin m: 1846 in Miami County, Ohio ..... 4 Rachel Maxwell aka: Rachael Maxwell ..... *1st Husband of Rachel Maxwell: ......... +Jonathan or T. Rowlands aka: Con Rollins Jr. m: 1849 in Miami County, Ohio ..... *2nd Husband of Rachel Maxwell: ......... +J. C. Winans m: Aft. 1849 ..... 4 Spafford Woodhull Maxwell b: October 20, 1836 in Franklin, Warren County, Ohio d: June 10, 1911 in Troy, Miami County, Ohio ......... +Rachel A. Devol aka: Rachael A. Devol b: April 23, 1842 in Staunton Township, Miami County, Ohio m: January 8, 1868 in Miami County, Ohio d: August 27, 1913 in Troy, Miami County, Ohio .... *2nd Wife of Thomas* Maxwell: ....... +Anna McCurdy aka: Annie Martin b: Abt. 1797 in Pennsylvania m: Aft. 1839 d: 1872 ... 3 John B.* Maxwell aka: John Warren* Maxwell b: Bet. 1801 - 1802 in New Jersey ... *1st Wife of John B.* Maxwell: ....... +Sarah Conover m: January 8, 1824 in Warren County, Ohio ..... 4 Daniel Maxwell b: Bet. 1825 - 1826 in Ohio ......... +Elizabeth Kennison b: Abt. 1826 in Ohio ..... 4 Thomas Vern Maxwell b: August 1826 in Ohio d: March 2, 1919 in Story County, Iowa ......... +Nancy Lucinda Barrett b: May 1835 in Maryland, Ohio or Kentucky m: Abt. 1855 d: 1915 ... *2nd Wife of John B.* Maxwell: ....... +Elizabeth Small b: Bet. 1802 - 1803 in Ohio m: December 19, 1826 in Montgomery County, Ohio ..... 4 Samuel Maxwell b: Bet. 1830 - 1831 in Ohio ..... 4 Andrew Maxwell b: Bet. 1832 - 1834 in Ohio ..... 4 John Maxwell b: Abt. 1835 in Ohio ..... 4 David Maxwell b: Bet. 1838 - 1839 in Ohio ..... 4 Peter Maxwell b: Abt. 1840 in Ohio ..... 4 Margaret E. Maxwell b: Abt. 1842 in Ohio ..... 4 George Maxwell b: Abt. 1844 in Ohio ... 3 Nathaniel Van Maxwell b: July 10, 1809 in Warren County, Ohio d: March 8, 1886 in Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio ....... +Eleanor Denise b: July 22, 1811 in a log cabin built on the west side of the Great Miami River two miles north of Franklin, Warren County, Ohio m: November 18, 1830 d: July 20, 1898 in Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio ..... 4 Sidney Denise Maxwell b: December 23, 1831 in Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio d: November 28, 1913 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio ......... +Isabella Neff b: April 15, 1854 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio m: June 30, 1875 in Hamilton County, Ohio ..... 4 Anna Catherine Maxwell b: December 14, 1834 in Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio d: April 4, 1890 in Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio ......... +William Hill Lamme b: July 26, 1826 in near Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio m: December 23, 1851 d: April 20, 1889 in Xenia, Greene County, Ohio ..... 4 Abigail Rosamond Maxwell b: January 8, 1838 in Ohio d: March 5, 1930 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio ..... 4 Marcellus Jennings Maxwell b: May 25, 1841 in Centerville, Montgomery County, Ohio d: March 29, 1916 in Urbana, Champaign County, Ohio ......... +Lucie Richards m: Bef. May 17, 1871 in Hamilton County, Ohio ..... 4 Margaret Eleanor Maxwell b: 1844 in Ohio d: November 16, 1928 in Oxford, Butler County, Ohio ......... +John Mortimer Adams b: 1843 m: 1876 in Lebanon, Monroe County, Ohio d: 1925 ... 3 Phebe Maxwell b: Bet. 1811 - 1812 in Ohio ....... +Robert Gay b: Bet. 1798 - 1804 in Virginia or Ohio m: January 24, 1833 in Montgomery County, Ohio ..... 4 George M. Gay b: Bet. 1834 - 1835 in Ohio ..... 4 Hannah Gay b: Abt. 1836 in Ohio ..... 4 Sarah E. Gay b: Abt. 1838 in Ohio ..... 4 Rachael Gay b: Abt. 1843 in Ohio ..... 4 Henry O. Gay b: Bet. 1844 - 1846 in Ohio ..... 4 David P. Gay aka: David M. Gay b: Abt. 1849 in Indiana ... 3 George McCann Maxwell b: January 4, 1814 in Montgomery County, Ohio d: August 2, 1889 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa ... *1st Wife of George McCann Maxwell: ....... +Amelia Winebrenner b: September 22, 1814 in Hagerstown, Washington County, Maryland m: July 25, 1832 in Miamisburg, Montgomery, Ohio d: July 12, 1860 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Joseph Warren Maxwell b: April 2, 1834 in Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio d: May 1, 1908 in Des Moines, Polk County, Iowa ......... +Marietta Pifer aka: Marietta (Ettie) Pifer b: June 1839 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana m: 1857 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana d: Abt. 1907 ..... 4 Christian Maxwell b: December 26, 1835 in Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio d: August 26, 1836 in Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio ..... 4 Elizabeth Maxwell b: July 2, 1837 in Delphi, Carroll County, Indiana d: October 15, 1839 in Delphi, Carroll County, Indiana ..... 4 Charles B. Maxwell b: October 4, 1838 in Delphi, Carroll County, Indiana d: June 12, 1880 in Clyde, Jasper County, Iowa ......... +Hattie Elizabeth Higley aka: Harriet Elizabeth Higley b: July 11, 1846 in Hiram, Portage County, Ohio m: October 25, 1868 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Mary Maxwell b: September 29, 1841 in Delphi, Carroll County, Indiana ......... +Frank M. Baldwin b: November 1829 in New York m: October 30, 1860 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 David Maxwell b: February 4, 1844 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana d: July 20, 1845 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana ..... 4 Huston Taylor Maxwell b: August 10, 1847 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana d: August 11, 1848 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana ..... 4 Phebe Maxwell aka: Rhoda Maxwell b: Abt. 1849 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana d: April 1, 1871 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Sina Maxwell b: February 10, 1852 in Lafayette, Tippecanoe County, Indiana d: August 20, 1872 in Story County, Iowa ......... +John W. Will b: Bet. 1844 - 1845 in West Virginia m: April 27, 1872 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Franklin B. Maxwell b: July 11, 1860 in Story County, Iowa d: July 18, 1860 in Story County, Iowa ... *2nd Wife of George McCann Maxwell: ....... +Caroline E. Ingersoll b: Bet. 1831 - 1833 in Pennsylvania m: November 11, 1860 in Story County, Iowa d: June 20, 1867 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Sidney Ingersoll Maxwell b: September 11, 1861 in Indian Camp Farm, Story County, Iowa d: February 20, 1916 in Joplin, Jasper County, Missouri ......... +Lizzie Ann Hall b: August 15, 1862 in Des Moines, Polk County, Iowa m: December 24, 1882 in Tyner, Polk County, Iowa d: May 10, 1955 in La Junta, Otero County, Colorado ..... 4 Henry Ingersoll Maxwell aka: Harry Maxwell b: June 24, 1863 in Indian Camp Farm, Story County, Iowa d: Abt. September 15, 1930 in La Junta or Rocky Ford, Otero County, Colorado ......... +Clara Gillett b: Bet. 1862 - 1863 in Illinois m: March 1883 in Keokuk County, Iowa d: April 13, 1913 in Phoenix, Maricopa County, Arizona ..... 4 George Chambers Maxwell b: July 3, 1865 in Indian Camp Farm, Story County, Iowa ..... 4 William W. Maxwell b: February 1867 in Iowa Center, Story County, Iowa d: October 3, 1867 in Iowa Center, Story County, Iowa ... *3rd Wife of George McCann Maxwell: ....... +Angeline Sweet b: September 18, 1842 in Lone Tree, Johnson County, Iowa m: April 5, 1867 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: October 9, 1906 in Aurora, Brookings County, South Dakota ..... 4 Addie Sweet Maxwell aka: Adeline M. Peterson b: December 20, 1869 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa ......... +Martin O. Peterson b: Abt. 1865 in Minnesota m: June 24, 1891 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Fannie Sweet Maxwell b: February 8, 1871 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: October 25, 1957 in Brookings, Brookings County, South Dakota ......... +Samuel Sheldon Carman b: March 24, 1873 in Spring Creek Precinct, Johnson County, Nebraska m: March 24, 1897 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: August 31, 1962 in Brookings, Brookings County, South Dakota ..... 4 Grace Sweet Maxwell b: December 29, 1871 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: December 8, 1875 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Caleb Sweet Maxwell aka: Cale Maxwell b: August 20, 1874 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: June 1967 in Bentonville, Benton County, Arkansas ......... +Lucy Ethel (Effie) Bundy b: July 19, 1879 in Iowa m: January 1, 1902 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: August 1973 in Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas ..... 4 Ole Hill Maxwell b: March 14, 1878 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: Bef. February 19, 1942 in Denver, Denver County, Colorado ......... +Olive Murray b: Abt. 1880 in Colorado m: 1903 ..... 4 Nathaniel Van Maxwell b: May 2, 1880 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa ..... 4 Marietta S. Maxwell b: April 11, 1882 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa ......... +Frank E. Scott m: August 31, 1900 in Story County, Iowa ..... 4 John A. Logan Maxwell b: December 30, 1884 in Cambridge, Story County, Iowa d: August 23, 1960 in Albuquerque, Bernalillo County, New Mexico ......... +Mary L. b: Abt. 1885 in Muscotah, Atchison County, Kansas m: August 18, 1909 in Santa Rosa, Guadalupe County, New Mexico d: September 23, 1960 in Albuquerque, Bernalillo County, New Mexico