In a message dated 10/16/02 7:35:45 AM, celticblood@earthlink.net writes: << How about posting this so everyone can see---and get everybody's comments out in the open, for once? You know, like a real discussion.... >> Pat: I put you back on the list, the post went to it, you've had your say now THIS STOPS HERE or you are off the list permanently. Sandi Listowner