My husband takes Viox, he has very severe arthritis. Jackie

In a message dated 2/12/02 6:48:09 PM, [email protected] writes: << Thanks for understanding Sandi. You have to keep your sense of humor with this stuff. >> Hey Short Stuff and Jackie: We are family and I care about you and don't want you to suffer, but, as you know s**t happens! With all I've heard about this thing from others I'm sure doctors will be forced to do more research in efforts to help patients. Giving out valium was so prevalent here in CA for a number of years. As Pat said, it sure didn't do the job on her ankle! When my Daddy died the doctor put my mother on valium and she got hooked! I called him and said if he renewed her prescription he would have ME to face! He didn't want that and I would have gone to San Jose to face him! He got her off it and that was one more thing I don't have to worry about! Sandi

Darn! I thought my kitchen might get cleaned too. Norma

Thanks for understanding Sandi. You have to keep your sense of humor with this stuff. I have been told that it hurts worse the rheumatoid but it won't cripple you. Norma

Hi Jackie, I took Celebrex for a while but had to switch because our drug supplier made Viox. Also Celebrex gave me diarrhea. Norma

Sounds like a winner for your Kitchen! LOL Jackie

Boy that sure hit the nail on the head. I had taken Advil with some relief, but it soon became not enough and I finally asked the doctor for something. After she heard the family history of arthritis she gladly gave me something. I take Celebrex 200mg twice a day. There are many days that is not enough and I was told to take Arthritis strength Tylenol. The weather changes are just terrible. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it very much. Jackie

Debrief>> Armed passenger * flight 363 BWI/DFW. Flight was scheduled to leave at 1715. I was notified that due to a mechanical at the next gate - they would hold our push for approximately 30-40 minutes to try to accommodate those pax going to DFW. A few moments later the #1 flt attendant brought to my attention that she and other flt att were concerned about the actions of one of the pax. This pax left the aircraft with carry on bags still in his seat. He told the flt att. "Please don't leave without him". While the pax was away, a flt att observed books in the individuals seat which were written in what she assessed was Arabic style print. Upon further investigation when the individual came back it was determined that he was in fact our 'armed passenger'. I then decided to stop my pre-flt and review the AA E2. The form was unreadable because it was a carbon-copy and there were missing items. I then had the agent come back and recheck his credentials and give me a new AA E2. Again this form was filled out improperly. I left my seat to speak to the individual. He appeared nervous and anxious. With all the forms that I received in error I determined that the most prudent course of action was to call dispatch to phone patch me to the SOC. I asked them to fax me a copy of what the Secret Service credentials looks like. He advised me that BWI should have this information. BWI in fact does not. We still were accommodating the connecting passengers and had time to further determine the proper credentials of this person. While all this was going on the individual approached me in front of the lead agent and asked why he was being denied boarding for so long. I disclosed to him that the paper work was not correct and that I needed to have this fixed before he would be accommodated. This was an AA issue and none of his concern. At this time the individual became very hostile with me. Upon all the information that I had up to this point - I had doubt as to his actual representation as a Special Agent for the Secret Service. 1. *Two improperly filled out AA Form E2. 2. *Flt atts bringing to my attention what appeared to be strange behavior. 3. Hostility toward me for trying to correct my required paper work. I then had the Maryland Airport Authority police determine his proper ID by calling the Secret Service as to his legitimate status. This took about ten minutes to complete. In the interim I was given a third improperly filled out AA Form E2. This had no signature of the LEO. No initial as to the traveling status of the officer. No phone number. While the police were determining the proper status of this individual this person came up to me with loud abusive comments as to his being denied boarding. That he has the powers of the White House behind him and that this is not of [sic] the end of this matter. The police agreed with me that there was a legitimate concern because of his unprofessional behavior. This was all in full view of every passenger boarding the flight. He then said he would not board the flt. As it turned out he was an actual LEO. After the events of 9/11 and another of our fls targeted with explosives and causing injury to a flt att I absolutely felt correct in having this individual's [sic] identification validated. After three improper AA Form E2s [sic] and the behavior of this individual, I needed to be 100% sure of hi credentials. If he just let us do our job of getting the paper work in order, he would have been boarded, and it would have been a pleasure to carry an 'armed passenger'. With the lives of the entire passengers and crew, I was uncomfortable with his actions and did what a Captain should do and edge toward the side of safety and not move the aircraft until I'm confident that all issues are satisfied before taking off. As a note, I am filling [sic] a misconduct report with the Secret Services Internal Affairs division. I would suggest that AA Security follow up on this matter because this individual made the entire crew uncomfortable with his actions and absolutely with his confrontational behavior toward me. The police officer who was very helpful was officer (redacted). The case # was (redacted). The Secret Service Agent's name was (redacted). Passports and fraudulent IDs can easily be altered to look passable. With all the items to this event not adding up, I absolutely believe I acted in the best interest of my crew, pax and AA. Text of SOC Manager's Statement: I was working as Center Manager on Christmas and received a call from Captain (employee number) flying flight 363 from BWI/DFW. The Captain had a concern about a passenger onboard his flight. The Captain first requested a fax containing all wanted terrorist photos that American had available. I explained that this was not possible and asked exactly what problem he was encountering. He said that he received paperwork for a passenger that stated he was a Secret Service Agent and would be traveling armed. The Captain said that the paperwork contained scratched out flight numbers and may have been altered. I then suggested that the Captain request new paperwork. The Captain called back again and stated the he was still questioning the validity of this passenger working for the Secret Service because the secret service agent had failed to fill the paperwork out properly again. I asked if he had looked at the agent credentials. He said you work for the airline, you know how easy it would be to get fake I.D. I suggested that I could call the Secret Service and verify that this passenger was in fact an agent. I asked the Captain to request the agent's superiors [sic] name and number. The Captain said that we should not use his information because he could have a friend answering the phone when we called. I then suggested get the local police to verify the I.D. since, being located at BWI, they would have exposure to Secret Service I.D.'s and contact phone numbers. The next phone call I received was from the AA ticket agent at BWI. He said that the Secret Service agent had verbally abused the Captain and that the Captain was denying him boarding. I asked to speak to the police officer that was witness to this, who then verified what the ticket agent had stated. Based on this, I then decided to end boarding to this passenger on future AA flights. Later, I received a call from the AA ticket agent at BWI and was asked to talk to this Secret Service Agent. I then heard the Secret Service Agent's side of the story. He admitted to not properly filling out the paperwork for carrying a weapon; not once, but twice. He also admitted to losing his temper with the Captain because he was asked for his ID five separate times. When he asked why he was denied future boarding, I explained that I could not expose AA crews or passengers to abuse. He said he was being discriminated against, wanted my bosses [sic] name, and threatened that he would have my job. He was going to take this to the highest authority. I asked for his superior's name and contacted him. I explained the situation to the superior. He confirmed that this man did work for the Secret Service, and would contact him. A short time later the agent's superior called back and said that he was sorry for losing his temper and would like to travel out of DCA the next day. He then stated that the agent was of Middle Eastern descent. I explained to the superior that I did not know this and that there was no discrimination in the denied boarding process with SOC. I was 1,000 miles away from the situation and handled it as we would for any unruly passenger. We agreed the agent could travel the next day. SOC Center Manager - American Airlines>> SOURCE: American Airlines

If you are expecting me to clean your kitchen, I have to report that the urge has passed with the setting sun. Pat > I hope it is contagious! Maybe this is a new computer virus??? > Patricia > > In a message dated 02/12/2002 11:20:56 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Yes, I awoke this morning with a sudden desire to clean the kitchen from top > > to bottom! (no, not the inside of the refrigerator). I have been working > > since 0800 on this project and am not ready to stop and take a shower. I > > sure hope this is one of those short-term viruses that is going around..... > > > > Pat > > > > > > > ==== MAUPIN-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > <http://pml.rootsweb.com> > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> > << Many doctors still do not > recognize and admit there is such a thing. >> > > << <snip> it's important to let people know > they're not crazy or imagining things when they have this stuff. You can > live with it but have to keep moving. >> > > Norma: > > There are people on some of my NA lists who have Fibromyalgia. Many have > dealt with doctors who tell them there is no such thing! Just reading about > it makes me hurt for anyone who has to deal with it on a daily basis. > > Sandi That's because the vast majority of sufferers are women and the majority of doctors are men. How many times have you been to the doctor and have been told "it's all in your head, dear."?? I have heard that a lot over the years, including the badly sprained ankle---and that doctor prescribed Valium! Can you imagine? Several days later, it still wasn't better and I saw a different doctor, also male, and he was furious at the first doctor. He said my ankle should have been put in a gel cast immediately, and when I told him I was given Valium, he really hit the roof! Just part of being a woman.... Pat

In a message dated 2/12/02 7:52:43 AM, [email protected] writes: << Many doctors still do not recognize and admit there is such a thing. >> << <snip> it's important to let people know they're not crazy or imagining things when they have this stuff. You can live with it but have to keep moving. >> Norma: There are people on some of my NA lists who have Fibromyalgia. Many have dealt with doctors who tell them there is no such thing! Just reading about it makes me hurt for anyone who has to deal with it on a daily basis. Sandi

I hope it is contagious! Maybe this is a new computer virus??? Patricia In a message dated 02/12/2002 11:20:56 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Yes, I awoke this morning with a sudden desire to clean the kitchen from top > to bottom! (no, not the inside of the refrigerator). I have been working > since 0800 on this project and am not ready to stop and take a shower. I > sure hope this is one of those short-term viruses that is going around..... > > Pat >

I just hope it isn't one of those virus that can be transmitted thru e-mail!!!!!Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [MAUPIN-CHAT] sudden overtaking of illness > Yes, I awoke this morning with a sudden desire to clean the kitchen from top > to bottom! (no, not the inside of the refrigerator). I have been working > since 0800 on this project and am not ready to stop and take a shower. I > sure hope this is one of those short-term viruses that is going around..... > > Pat > > > ==== MAUPIN-CHAT Mailing List ==== > TO SUBSCRIBE OR UNSUBSCRIBE from any RootsWeb-hosted mailing list, send an e-mail message with only the word SUBSCRIBE (or UNSUBSCRIBE) in the subject and the body of the message to > [name of list][email protected] (for mail mode) or to > [name of list][email protected] (for digest mode). > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yes, I awoke this morning with a sudden desire to clean the kitchen from top to bottom! (no, not the inside of the refrigerator). I have been working since 0800 on this project and am not ready to stop and take a shower. I sure hope this is one of those short-term viruses that is going around..... Pat

Hi Jackie, I don't know what causes it but my whole family had it. Too much stress will bring it on and prolong it. Mother, brother, and sister were first diagnosed with Rheumatoid. It wasn't. We all went to different doctors so it wasn't a case of just one doctor telling us if was Fibromyalgia. It does cause ridges in the muscles after so many years. When it first started, I remember aching all over like I was coming down with the flu. Your arms ache when you try to hold something for a period of time or hang up clothes on hangers or outdoors on the line. Your muscles are sore and hurt like you over excised. Biggest problem is lack of sleep. You may sleep one hour and be up one-half hour, sleep for two hours and be up three; in other words, you're up and down all night. This is after you had it a while. Many doctors still do not recognize and admit there is such a thing. I took Alive for several years before it came on the market. Aspirin didn't help because it just lay in my stomach and burned as does some other medicines. Doctor now has me on Vox and I have to take an antidepressant. I could tell the difference immediately in sleep pattern when I was put on 25 mg. of impramine. Motrin didn't do I thing for me. I guess everyone is different and you have to try different things but I refuse certain ones because they can be worse than the decease on your body. Sorry other cousins for the book but it's important to let people know they're not crazy or imagining things when they have this stuff. You can live with it but have to keep moving. Norma

Gang: Go to the below URL to see the threat report. http://FoxNews.com/story/0,2933,45332,00.html Sandi