Joe, I have no idea what the name of the wife James Vessells, Sr is, I just show it as Unknown. I do know that on the Washington Co, KY marriage records a James Vessels marries an Eleanor Mattingly on Nov 3, 1808. In the 1860 Meade Co, KY census, James Vessells is listed age 76 b. KY with Ellen age 74 b. KY. Gerald Thompson in his book "KY Catholic Pioneers, Volume 1, The Rolling Fork Settlement" has this listing for James Vessels, Jr. James Vessells, Jr b. 1780 to James Vessells, Sr. In the 1810 Washington Co, KY census, James Jr is listed as between 26-45 years of age & his wife between 16-26 years of age with a son under ten years of of age. See 1850 Washington Co census and the 1860 Meade Co census. Her married Eleanor Mattingly b. abt 1786, dau of Joseph & Hessina Hinton Mattingly bond dated 11/9/1808 married on 11/9/1808 by Charles Nerinckx, father of John ca 1803/1808, Edward abt 1811, Walter abt 1815, Lucinda abt 1828 and Washington abt 1830. I wonder if John was really born before 1808 if James Vessells, Jr was married prior to Eleanor Mattingly? Bob Alvey Someone in my wife's family has done research on the Cissell clan. > They have an Eleanor Mattingly b.abt1740 who m. James Vessells,Sr > who had a daughter Mary that married Jeremiah Cissell.Their first daughter > was named Eleanor for her mother which makes sense. > Most have Eleanor marrying James Vessels,Jr and born later. > Any help on this? > Joe Mattingly > Nelson Co,Ky. >