Charley, I have found most of my information about Ann Carbery Mattingly in equity case records for her brother, Thomas Carbery, a mayor of DC. Also, there was a miracle surrounding Ann Carbery Mattingly and that information sheds some light, if accurate. Also, Herman Mattingly lists them in his book on page 209 and the source is records in Leonardtown, MD. When I was down at the NARA I found a couple of records of a John Mattingly from DC from the War of 1812 but they don't indicate that he was even present. The miracle records give different dates for Ann Carbery Mattingly's being a widow.....some indicate around 1814 and up to 1820 something. From census records and stories about the miracle, It would appear that she was widowed and living with her brother, Thomas Carbery, his wife and children and a couple other Carbery siblings. In both Thomas Carbery and Ann Carbery Mattingly's wills neither my great grandfather, Thomas Joseph Mattingly, nor his sister Annie Elizabeth Mattingly (Butler, Rimby, Ningard..she married several times) are mentioned. The only offspring of John and Ann Carbery Mattingly mentioned is Mary Susan Mattingly Lay. After searching through the equity case records, I finally found reference to Thomas Joseph Mattingly and his sister. Perhaps they were not the favorite son's family....meaning John jr. Also, mentioned by witnesses in the equity case records, Ann is always listed as deceased (she died in 1855) and widowed. There is mention that her son, John, whom the witness had lost track of was deceased prior to his mother and his wife was dead, too. It states that John had two children, Thomas Joseph, who was alive and Annie Rimby (name at the time of the records.) alive as well. Apparently, Thomas Carbery, Sr. came to DC from St. Mary's Co. for work and his children followed as well. There were several Carbery siblings in DC. So, I don't have a date for John Mattingly's Sr.'s death nor a place of burial for him. Ann Carbery Mattingly is buried in Mount Olivet in DC with Thomas Carbery and other Carbery family and her daughter, Mary Susan Mattingly Lay, and her family. My Thomas Joseph Mattingly is buried at St. Ignatius in Oxon Hill, MD with his family and my grandfather, Circuit Court Judge Joseph Carbery Mattingly and his family. My mother was born and raised in Oxon Hill, MD. Thomas Joseph Mattingly was born in Moorefield, VA in 1827 and I do note that it is just west of DC....not too far. I have tried to find records there and only have one listing of any "Mattingley" and that is in 1820 and it is for property tax Hardy County and there is a "Mattingley" listed as "no of white male listed above the age of 16." There is a "1" in that box....nothing else. I have records from Georgetown U which suggest that a John Mattingly was there in 1825 (could very well be my John Jr.). Since so many of the Carberys and Mattinglys(and my grandfather, too) were alumni I would believe this would be the right fellow too. There is nothing listed for tuition which struck the gal in the archives there as peculiar as the Jesuits are very meticulous about finances. Also, he is only listed in a program for the entertainment for that commencement and he was in humanities 1 and was from DC. Would make sense. If this is my John (jr.) then he married (or something) as my great grandfather was born 2 years later. It doesn't seem from the equity case records for Thomas Carbery that John was around much....maybe kind of a lost soul as folks knew about him but didn't have anything to write about him...except that he was Ann Carbery's son and that he was deceased and had two children. Well, any thoughts??? Thanks again, Charley. Elizabeth