Thanks Charley. This is the way I understand it too. Ralph Banks, Austin, TX In a message dated 5/18/04 8:34:52 PM, CharleyMoore@cs.com writes: >Felix was the son of William Mattingly, son of Ignatius and brother of Leonard and Luke. My understanding of the situation has Felix having a son Cosmas born 1831 by Mathilda Spalding in Raywick KY. Cosmas had Phillip "Two Papa" born Oct 1854 by a Deemie Lucinda Thornton [a slave]. Two Papa had 10 children. Charley << In a message dated 5/18/2004 6:32:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, blaineb@slu.edu writes: > In one place Cosmos Mattingly has been referred to as the son of Felix > Mattingly and Mathilda Spalding. In another place a Cosmas Mattingly is referred to as the father of Phillip Mattingly who is identified as a black widower, with children referred to as black Later he seems to be remarried -- to a mulatto and has several mixed > blood children. Were Felix Mattingly and Mathilda Spalding black? <<<<<<<