Donna, Pretty sure the George you found in the 1850 and 1880 Daviess Co, KY census records is George Austin Mattingly who I show as the son of Basil Mattingly and Monica Miles.. Since his son John b. 1832 is still with him in 1880 and your John Mattingly has a separate listing in the 1880 census, I don't think he is the son of George Austin. Don't believe in this case there is a duplicate listing for John b. 1832. Additionally, George Austin Mattingly's son John b. 1832 is also listed with him in the 1860 and 1870 Daviess Co, KY census records and seems to have never married. So consistentley from 1850 thru 1880, George Austin Mattingly is listed with a son John. Think we can eliminate him as your John Mattingly for sure. A big find would be to come across a John Mattingly abt age 18 in the 1850 census that we cannot identify or in the 1860 Census age 28 that we cannot identify. I know we found your John Mattingly in the 1870 and 1880 Daviess Co, KY census records of Daviess Co ages 38 and 48 respectively with your Ggrandfather Charles ages 2 and 12, but cannot recall if we ever identified him in the 1850 or 1860 census records. Don't think so. John Oswald Mattingly is of Daviess Co, KY but he was b. in 1851 and died in 1920 and is buried in St Alphonsus Catholic Cemetery in St Joseph, Daviess Co, KY. His father was George Washington Mattingly, a different family. George Washington Mattingly is also buried in St Alphonsus. Bob Alvey > Thanks Judith for your response earlier. I know this subject has been beat > to death with no real answers. > I just can't go anywhere till I know who John is, his father, etc. Can he be > John Oswald, wasn't his birth date 1832, son of George , Daviess Co'? > My ggrandfather is Charles Mattingly. > >