Just one note on this thread: The source of the Wm. C. Mattingly m. Miss Monarch, dau. of Joe Monarch, was Family Geneaology of Leonard Mattingly by CC Mattingly. Father Lyons' papers refer to this as "The Mattingly Manuscript." Both are found in the Filson Club. CC Mattingly was a Louisville attorney circa 1900, who descended from Old Leonard's son John. Like Judith, regarding this alleged marriage, I think CC (Columbus, I think) was mistaken. -- Ruth M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MATTINGLY] William Mattingly died 1832 > > > Ralph, Bob and List, one reference to the Girten lands can be > found in the > Will of William C. Mattingly 1876, Union County, Ky. ".....& authorize him > to sell my land & the coal privilege which I have under the > Girtin land & to > convey the title to the purchaser- Out of the notes now due me I want my > debts paid which are few." > William Mattingly did not begin to use the "C" in his name until the 1870 > Union County Census, as far as I can tell. There has been rampant > speculation as to what it refers to, and I prefer "Cissell" since that was > his alleged mother's maiden name. > > He appears in Union County records directly after his marriage to Terecy > Girten in 1827 (across the river in Gallatin County, Illinois) and can be > found living next door to James Girten with his wife in the 1830 > Census and > seems to remain in Union County until his death in 1876. The 1880 Census > shows Terecy, 67, his wife with Tho. J. son 25, in the household > with her. > > William C. Mattingly has been the main focus of my Mattingly research for > the last 500 years or so, OOps! I meant 5 years. The frustration of not > finding any official records proving his paternity just makes it seem like > 500. :) I'm investigating the possibility of mandatory DNA > testing of all > Mattingly descendants in order to solve this mystery. Judith A. Burger > > > > > Ralph, > > > > I gave in and deleted that reference to an Unknown Monarch > based upon the > > insistence of Judith Burger and a note from Judith that the Monarch > reference > > Ruth Mattingly found might be a bit shaky. I think William R went along > with > > this thinking too, maybe he can chime in if that is in error. Judith > wants > > this guy for her William C Mattingly and frankly I think it has > some merit > > until we find something with more merit. See the notes below. > (honestly > > though, Judith raised some good points about William C Mattingly and she > > might recall more herself.) > > > > All of this exchange is in the archives somewhere. > > > > Bob Alvey > > > > Ruth Mattingly found the origin of the Monarch allegation in the in The > > Mattingly file in the Filson Club in Louisville. It had no source > attached > > to it as I recall and was not written with any precieved authority or > > confidence in its importance. Little did the author know that I would > base > > years of research in trying to refute its implications. However, I have > > decided that William C. Mattingly IS the son of Leonard Jr/Ann > Cissell and > > SOMEBODY is going to have to prove me wrong at this point. I'm still > trying > > to keep an open mind, but it is difficult. :) Judith Burger > > ---- > > I'm claiming William Mattingly (son of Leonard Jr. b abt 1807) > as William > C. > > Mattingly and my grandpa. You can't have him for Ann Bullock. > He married > > Trecy Girten in Gallatin Co. Il in 1827. He's MINE!!!! Judith Burger > > ----------------------- > > William Mattingly Date: July 12, 2001 > > So far none of the folks looking at William C. has been able to connect > him > > with a family line and there are a good many who have searched. The most > > plausable theory presented, at this time that I know of, is > that he was a > son > > of Leonard Mattingly, Jr. and Nancy A. Cissell and grandson of > Leonard and > > Mary Hayden. Obviously, we have found no proof but we do know > that Leonard > > and Nancy had a son by this name and that this son doesn't > appear anywhere > > else in the world (at least not so as we can find him). > Naturally this is > > mere speculation at this point but the best I've seen proposed thus far. > > Naturally, we come to the question of "Why did he leave the area his > parents > > were in?" I think the answer is actually rather simple: All of our > families > > were moving around a lot and leaving home was commonplace and the 2nd > answer > > is land. William must have come into a sizable piece of > property from his > > wifes side as his land was referred to as Girten's land or place, I > believe. > > Someone correct me if I have the name wrong but I recall it was referred > to > > as Girten's something. Not sure if this is Judith or William R > that wrote > > this or maybe neither!!!! Bob Alvey > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob--- > > > I have a William Mattingly, b. ca.1800, son of Leonard Mattingly > Jr. > > > and > > > Ann Nancy Cissell; m. to an Unknow Monarch. 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