Dan and Ralph, I'm glad you think this may be a line worth pursuing. There is definitely a relationship between these two families, the William Mattingly d. 1817 family and the James Vessels family whose granddaughter married Bridget Anna Vessels. It was pointed out to me that the James Mattingly and the William Mattingly found with Elisha Vessels on the 1823 Perry County, Mo St. Mary Church census were sons of William Mattingly d. 1817. and I found a reference to that in O"Rourke's MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER, along with the reference that Elisha Vessels was the son of James Vessels, Sr. That may be irrevalent except that it shows that these families had a relationship. And James Vessels and William Mattingly d. 1817 shared grandchildren if William b. 1813-1814 is the son of William d.1817 and his wife Nancy. I have William died 1817 as the son of Ignatius,died 1789, son of Thomas II.also. JB *************************************************************** I have this William as b. 1741, d. 1817, and the son of Ignatius (1704-1789), the son of Thomas II. Does this jibe with everyone else's information? Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX ****************************************** > I for one believe you may have found the key to unlocking the William > Mattingly mystery! Pursuing your thoughts, we find two Murrys in Green Co. in > 1850, Alexander and Felix, who were very likely relatives of Nancy. Neither > name is very "Catholic". > Making a further assumption that the second child was female(since no male > Mattinglys show an affiliation with William throughout his life), born > c1815-16, > there was a marriage of a Lucinda Mattingly to John Woodring, 11-12-1832 in > Washington County. In 1850, she and John are in household #611, Hardin Co., > near household #554, our William Mattingly(Mattinghy on census index). She's > the closest Mattingly neighbor of William, shown as 35, 2 years younger than > William's 37, and she has named her children - Susan M., Martina(William > named a daughter Malvina about 2 years later), FELIX, Francis, Augusta A., > and Cyrus. Here again, these names are not the "normal Catholic" names. > The "coincidences" are quite strong - > Felix(after uncle?), Martina-Malvina, move from Washington Co. to Hardin Co. > close to William, not-so-Catholic names, Cyrus-Alexander(historical > connection), age right, birthplace right(KY), closest Mattingly... > As to two Williams from same father, have seen this time and time again in > many families, especially if there was a second family from a different wife, > because in most cases the first family was raised elsewhere by relatives. > Another cause was first and second given names, where the child's preference > was the name of his father - e.g., brothers Thomas William and William James > might prefer to go by William in their adult lives. One might live as William > Jr., meaning only he was younger than the other nearby William, not that he > had the identical name of his father. > Thank you for the insights, at the very least it's a path for > investigation, just as promising as, if not more than, the 1826 will of Luke > Mattingly. > > Dan Creel > > > ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== > <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> > We also have the [email protected] > Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney > Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ > To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >