I have the same info as everyone else I suppose and William, Jr., born 1794 I believe was in Perry County, Missouri and reportedly died there on 3-10-1844. His wife Catherine Elizabeth Manning Mattingly is there on the 1850 census and in the home with her were children, Simeon, Louisa, and James. I know next to nothing about William's (died 1817) 2nd wife except that she was reportedly a daughter of Joseph Clark. I have that her last child, John Clark, was born in 1810. Could she have died shortly thereafter, and William perhaps married a 3rd time and named a second son William? I agree this is a reasonable path to explore. *********************** >Dan and Ralph, I'm glad you think this may be a line worth pursuing. There >is definitely a relationship between these two families, the William >Mattingly d. 1817 family and the James Vessels family whose granddaughter >married Bridget Anna Vessels. > >It was pointed out to me that the James Mattingly and the William Mattingly >found with Elisha Vessels on the 1823 Perry County, Mo St. Mary Church >census were sons of William Mattingly d. 1817. and I found a reference to >that in O"Rourke's MARYLAND CATHOLICS ON THE FRONTIER, along with the >reference that Elisha Vessels was the son of James Vessels, Sr. That may be >irrevalent except that it shows that these families had a relationship. And >James Vessels and William Mattingly d. 1817 shared grandchildren if William >b. 1813-1814 is the son of William d.1817 and his wife Nancy. > >I have William died 1817 as the son of Ignatius,died 1789, son of Thomas >II.also. JB >*************************************************************** > I have this William as b. 1741, d. 1817, and the son of Ignatius >(1704-1789), the son of Thomas II. Does this jibe with everyone else's >information? >Ralph Banks ([email protected]), Austin, TX >****************************************** >> I for one believe you may have found the key to unlocking the William >> Mattingly mystery! Pursuing your thoughts, we find two Murrys in Green Co. >in >> 1850, Alexander and Felix, who were very likely relatives of Nancy. >Neither >> name is very "Catholic". >> Making a further assumption that the second child was female(since no >male >> Mattinglys show an affiliation with William throughout his life), born >> c1815-16, >> there was a marriage of a Lucinda Mattingly to John Woodring, 11-12-1832 >in >> Washington County. In 1850, she and John are in household #611, Hardin >Co., >> near household #554, our William Mattingly(Mattinghy on census index). >She's >> the closest Mattingly neighbor of William, shown as 35, 2 years younger >than >> William's 37, and she has named her children - Susan M., Martina(William >> named a daughter Malvina about 2 years later), FELIX, Francis, Augusta A., >> and Cyrus. Here again, these names are not the "normal Catholic" names. >> The "coincidences" are quite strong - >> Felix(after uncle?), Martina-Malvina, move from Washington Co. to Hardin >Co. >> close to William, not-so-Catholic names, Cyrus-Alexander(historical >> connection), age right, birthplace right(KY), closest Mattingly... >> As to two Williams from same father, have seen this time and time again >in >> many families, especially if there was a second family from a different >wife, >> because in most cases the first family was raised elsewhere by relatives. >> Another cause was first and second given names, where the child's >preference >> was the name of his father - e.g., brothers Thomas William and William >James >> might prefer to go by William in their adult lives. One might live as >William >> Jr., meaning only he was younger than the other nearby William, not that >he >> had the identical name of his father. >> Thank you for the insights, at the very least it's a path for >> investigation, just as promising as, if not more than, the 1826 will of >Luke >> Mattingly. >> >> Dan Creel >> >> >> ==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== >> <Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >> We also have the [email protected] >> Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >> Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >> To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >> >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >> >> ============================== >> Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >> your heritage! >> http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >> > > >==== MATTINGLY Mailing List ==== ><Z>WELCOME TO THE MATTINGLY GENEALOGY GROUP<Z> >We also have the [email protected] >Your Host Website http://www.angelfire.com/or/matney >Rootsweb Host http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MATTINGLY/ >To Unsubscribe or contact the List Owner [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe >mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. 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